IE10



  •  Looks like Microsoft is taking a slice out of Firefox's mixed metaphor. "If it ain't broke, break it".

     We'll put aside the fact that IE10 was pushed out as a Windows Update, not a software update. So even though I had explicitly marked "DON'T GODDAMNFUCKINGSHITDICK UPDATE ME FROM IE9!", it did. Whatevers. Someone on the dev team needs to update so we can repro all the wonderful bugs our old-as-shit shit code is generating because as dumb as shit Javascript code copypasta'd from 1999. (No, that isn't Microsoft's fault. That code should never have been in production, let alone for years after I pointed out how it WILL break one day).

    Nope, it's much more fun things. Like breaking how users expect a dropdown list to work.

    Here's a dropdown list. I clicked on it so I can pick an item:

    I'll pick something from the middle of the list. Easy. I've seen this list a thousand times. I can fly to HASTINGS on muscle memory alone. BAM! Done:

    OH SHIT wait, I meant to pick DUFFERIN instead. Which, as you'll recall, is the first item in the list past --ALL--. I know where it is. You know where it is. My muscle memory sure as shit is from colons knows where it is. So I'll just click on the list, move a few pixels down to exactly where I expect my option to be, and...

    ................................................................... go fuck yourself, Microsoft. Do not start fucking around with the positioning of drop down lists. Don't make me re-read and re-learn the positioning of the contents every single goddamn time I open it.

    Oh, even better-- remember how a dropdown list would DROP THE FUCK DOWN?  Well, take a look at the top image again. Do you see that nice little down arrow anywhere? no, you don't-- because even on the initial click, the menu overlays the initial widget.

    If you were to, say, accidentally misclick and open a menu-- or open it and decide you didn't want it-- there's something many of you do that's come naturally over decades of UI use. You just leave the mouse where it is, and click again-- hitting the same arrow you just clicked on, and dismissing the menu.

    Or now you can do the same thing, and accidentally click on a menu item, triggering whothefuckknowswhat onselect() code.

    Who wants to bet it just gets better and better from here on it?



  • Wow, just wow.  I'm glad that my work machine is still stuck running XP now to protect me from IE version upgrades (stupid supporting old versions for customers running ancient crap).



  • IN THE YEAR 2999


    Yeah, IE is still shit.



  • LUDDITE STATISTICS CHANGE HOPE FORWARD



  • @boomzilla said:

    LUDDITE STATISTICS CHANGE HOPE FORWARD
     

    Is it still cool to blame Obama for this, or did people stop once he left Microsoft and put Bush in charge?



  • @locallunatic said:

    I'm glad that my work machine is still stuck running XP now to protect me from IE version upgrades (stupid supporting old versions for customers running ancient crap).

    What the hell is wrong with you people? I mean, goddamn.

    Sure, it's a stupid UI fuck-up, but IE 10 is so, so, so much better than IE 7 and before. It's like "Hey, I don't want a free new car because the cupholder won't hold my Big Gulp, I'll just keep driving this rusty piece of shit with muffler held on by duct tape.."



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    @boomzilla said:

    LUDDITE STATISTICS CHANGE HOPE FORWARD

    Is it still cool to blame Obama for this, or did people stop once he left Microsoft and put Bush in charge?

    Lorne, Lorne, Lorne... the beautfy of the US Presidency is that you can blame the man for everything.

    Car won't start on a cold winter morning? Obama's fault!

    Blow every welfare check on booze? I'm still really upset about Watergate!

    Wife says my penis is tiny, deformed and unsatisfying? Seeing a photo of Martin van Buren's sideburns at age 4 permanently stunted my penile growth!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @locallunatic said:
    I'm glad that my work machine is still stuck running XP now to protect me from IE version upgrades (stupid supporting old versions for customers running ancient crap).
    What the hell is wrong with you people? I mean, goddamn.

    I work in a BPO (business process outsourcing, running call centers and junk like that) firm.  Customer says "hey you have to support IE6 on sites you build for us to use" so need to be able to properly test things.



  • @locallunatic said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @locallunatic said:
    I'm glad that my work machine is still stuck running XP now to protect me from IE version upgrades (stupid supporting old versions for customers running ancient crap).
    What the hell is wrong with you people? I mean, goddamn.

    I work in a BPO (business process outsourcing, running call centers and junk like that) firm.  Customer says "hey you have to support IE6 on sites you build for us to use" so need to be able to properly test things.

    I get the testing aspect, but what does that have to do with you personally being glad you have to run IE 6 and don't get to run IE 10?



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Sure, it's a stupid UI fuck-up, but IE 10 is so, so, so much better than IE 7 and before. It's like "Hey, I don't want a free new car because the cupholder won't hold my Big Gulp, I'll just keep driving this rusty piece of shit with muffler held on by duct tape.."

    I haven't used 10, but I have used 8 and 9 (mostly 8, alas), and they're all definitely better than 7. Still, this is a real WTF. Why are they re-implementing drop downs? What's wrong with the native controls? I'm told this is a user unfriendly thing to do, and I have to agree. It makes you wonder how big the pile of WTFs really is if they can't even get drop downs right.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I get the testing aspect, but what does that have to do with you personally being glad you have to run IE 6 and don't get to run IE 10?

    Oh sorry, no.  I'm glad I don't get the automatic upgrade in version of IE that he got, not that I'm glad I have to use a piece of crap.



  •  @boomzilla said:

    I'm told this is a user unfriendly thing to do, and I have to agree.

     You know what else is user friendly? Allowing people to clear a textbox by providing a "clear that fucker" widget. I'm sure people on phones might appreciate it.

    You know what ISN'T user friendly? Overlaying the "clear that fucker" widget ONTOP of the textbox. I get that mobile sites might (might ((might))) style their inputs to be 100% width. As for everyone else (every desktop user and every site that DOESN'T magically get styled to 100% width) gets this instead:




  • @boomzilla said:

    Still, this is a real WTF.

    Yeah, I didn't say it wasn't.

    @boomzilla said:

    Why are they re-implementing drop downs? What's wrong with the native controls? I'm told this is a user unfriendly thing to do, and I have to agree.

    After looking at Win8, I have to assume M$ has sorta gone crazy. Not super-awful-crazy, but after years of hearing how "much better" shitty UIs like OS X were than actual, usable UIs like Windows, they finally snapped and started agreeing with the crazies.



  • @Lorne Kates said:

     @boomzilla said:

    I'm told this is a user unfriendly thing to do, and I have to agree.

     You know what else is user friendly? Allowing people to clear a textbox by providing a "clear that fucker" widget. I'm sure people on phones might appreciate it.

    You know what ISN'T user friendly? Overlaying the "clear that fucker" widget ONTOP of the textbox. I get that mobile sites might (might ((might))) style their inputs to be 100% width. As for everyone else (every desktop user and every site that DOESN'T magically get styled to 100% width) gets this instead:


    I am not aware of a situation where clearing a text field is so common a task that I need a button to save me a second of holding backspace.

    PROTIP TO WEB DEVELOPERS:
    The more shit you put on a page, the more bandwidth it takes to display the page. BANDWIDTH COSTS MONEY.
    Corollary: Splitting things into different pages stupidly means people will need to load multiple pages, which COSTS MORE MONEY.



  • @Ben L. said:

    I am not aware of a situation where clearing a text field is so common a task that I need a button to save me a second of holding backspace.
     

    Mobile. Enter something wrong, try to find the backspace, hit it a billion times because there's no "press and hold" functionality. Or fuck forbid, you accidentally place the mobile cursor midway in a textbox.

    There's a use, I admit. A desktop browser is not one of them. But it falls in line with Microsoft's hardon for making everything "work mobile" and pre-maturely ejaculating widgets all over the place.

    @Ben L. said:

    PROTIP TO WEB DEVELOPERS:

    The more shit you put on a page, the more bandwidth it takes to display the page. BANDWIDTH COSTS MONEY.

    Corollary: Splitting things into different pages stupidly means people will need to load multiple pages, which COSTS MORE MONEY.

     .... unrelated, but interesting rant. Which does contradict your last statement about pages doing shit after onload.

    In theory, I can send a small bit of minified JS, and a small bit of json/markup, and build a complex webpage out of it. The size of the resulting DOM in bytes will be larger than the initial js and markup. In theory the js can be cached.

    I call this framework "Missing The Point of HTML And Dynamic Server-Side Pages".  I think there's an opensource fork of it called "OpenRAPE: Distended Colon".  It might be called something different, but you never know with this open source people.*



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    @Ben L. said:
    PROTIP TO WEB DEVELOPERS:

    The more shit you put on a page, the more bandwidth it takes to display the page. BANDWIDTH COSTS MONEY.

    Corollary: Splitting things into different pages stupidly means people will need to load multiple pages, which COSTS MORE MONEY.

    .... unrelated, but interesting rant. Which does contradict your last statement about pages doing shit after onload.

    In theory, I can send a small bit of minified JS, and a small bit of json/markup, and build a complex webpage out of it. The size of the resulting DOM in bytes will be larger than the initial js and markup. In theory the js can be cached.

    I call this framework "Missing The Point of HTML And Dynamic Server-Side Pages". I think there's an opensource fork of it called "OpenRAPE: Distended Colon". It might be called something different, but you never know with this open source people.*

    Yes, in theory, you could do that. In practice, anyone dynamically generating client-side pages 100% of the time is probably going to force every request to be non-cacheable and display a gigantic LOADING jpeg at 10% of its actual size while your browser struggles to load the page contents using 500 Ajax requests.



  • @Ben L. said:

    In practice, anyone dynamically generating client-side pages 100% of the time is probably going to force every request to be non-cacheable...

    Bullshit. First off, how the fuck do you think Gmail works? Facebook? Twitter?

    Second, every web app I've ever written caches aggressively and uses less bandwidth than delivering fully-rendered HTML each time, like some kind of brain-damaged puppy dragging your nightstand into the living room because your slipper got caught on the edge of it.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    After looking at Win8, I have to assume M$ has sorta gone crazy. Not super-awful-crazy, but after years of hearing how "much better" shitty UIs like OS X were than actual, usable UIs like Windows, they finally snapped and started agreeing with the crazies.

    This is the thing that most baffles me about Win8. There's been a fairly big push in OS X to bring the mobile and desktop UIs closer together, but there's still a lot of difference between the two. I'm not sure how the desktop UI fares when used with a mouse, but using the trackpad like you're touching a little screen works pretty well (scroll up for down, like you're pushing the page, etc).

    Microsoft's approach of "We're going to have one version of the OS, you should use it the same whether you're on a phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, or whatever the fuck else" is just odd.
    Also, now they seem to be stuck, especially in the case of the Start menu crap of either pushing forward and annoying lots of people, or giving in and making things shittier and less consistent just to appease loud, annoying people (e.g. You can have a Start menu on screen, except when using Metro apps).

    I get the impression they're running full tilt at the tablet/phone market that OS X and Android are eating up, and they've forgotten that a fuckton of people out there still just want an easy way to jam numbers into excel, send email, and make powerpoint presentations to bore their coworkers with.



  • @_gaffer said:

    This is the thing that most baffles me about Win8. There's been a fairly big push in OS X to bring the mobile and desktop UIs closer together, but there's still a lot of difference between the two.

    The UIs might have converged eventually, anyway, but it feels like Microsoft jumped the gun. Then again, maybe they're forward-thinking geniuses and pushing convergence right now will turn out to be brilliant (I'm not being sarcastic here).

    Something else annoying about Win8 (and possibly Win7 or before, but I haven't used them recently, so I dunno) I encountered today: I needed to install Skype on my Windows laptop because Skype on Linux is so terrible. Should be easy, right? Getting shit installed on Windows has always been easy, especially when compared to Linux. So I mosey over to skype.com and go to the Download page.

    And it's all "This is available in the Windows Marketplace (or whatever it's called)". Oookay. So I click the link. "Enter your Microsoft Account" Buh? I don't have a Microsoft Account. I just want to install Skype, dammit!

    So I create a M$ account. Enter that shit, go to download. The install seems to work well enough, seems simpler than old InstallShield stuff. Then I go to start Skype: "Enter your Microsoft Account to login to Skype". Buh? 1) I already entered that shit. 2) I have a Skype account I want to use and it's not linked to my M$ Account (since I just created it). Now what the fuck do I do? I just want to run Skype on Windows, dammit! Skype on Linux doesn't make me enter a bloody M$ Account.

    So, yeah, I gave up, and went back to Linux. Here's a tip, Microsoft: If a user is so discouraged their response is "go back to Linux", you done fucked up.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Skype on Linux is so terrible.

    Luckily you didn't get to use the Windows version. And talking about IM. Does any one have any fucking idea of how the fuck does Google Hangouts work? Am I too stupid to understand that shit?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ubersoldat said:

    Am I too stupid to understand that shit?
    You have two digits in your age so you're too old (hmm, that works in base 8, 10 and 16). Me too.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    The UIs might have converged eventually, anyway, but it feels like Microsoft jumped the gun. Then again, maybe they're forward-thinking geniuses and pushing convergence right now will turn out to be brilliant (I'm not being sarcastic here).

    I think it's a bit of a mix. There's a lot of "Waah, it doesn't work the way it used to and new things scare me" going on because there's always a massive amount of inertia in changing interfaces, no matter how much better the new system might be. On the other hand, the changes (e.g. more touch screen focus, dependence on the windows market) seem more like sweaty grasping at Apple's market share without a lot of consideration as to how it fits in with everything else they do.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Something else annoying about Win8 (and possibly Win7 or before, but I haven't used them recently, so I dunno) I encountered today: I needed to install Skype on my Windows laptop because Skype on Linux is so terrible. Should be easy, right? Getting shit installed on Windows has always been easy, especially when compared to Linux. So I mosey over to skype.com and go to the Download page.

    And it's all "This is available in the Windows Marketplace (or whatever it's called)". Oookay. So I click the link. "Enter your Microsoft Account" Buh? I don't have a Microsoft Account. I just want to install Skype, dammit!

    So I create a M$ account. Enter that shit, go to download. The install seems to work well enough, seems simpler than old InstallShield stuff. Then I go to start Skype: "Enter your Microsoft Account to login to Skype". Buh? 1) I already entered that shit. 2) I have a Skype account I want to use and it's not linked to my M$ Account (since I just created it). Now what the fuck do I do? I just want to run Skype on Windows, dammit! Skype on Linux doesn't make me enter a bloody M$ Account.

    So, yeah, I gave up, and went back to Windows. Here's a tip, Microsoft: If a user is so discouraged their response is "go back to Linux", you done fucked up.

    So, they're trying to be Apple AND Google? There's a terribly desperate air to all this, trying to tie all your accounts and devices together, and making life harder for you if you want to do something without them.

    "Hey, we can do stuff together, why do you want to see your other friends? Don't you like me anymore?"

    I've had overly clingy, jealous girlfriends in the past, and I certainly don't want my computer/tablet/phone to act like them.



  • @ubersoldat said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    Skype on Linux is so terrible.

    Luckily you didn't get to use the Windows version. And talking about IM. Does any one have any fucking idea of how the fuck does Google Hangouts work? Am I too stupid to understand that shit?

    Maybe. Ok, so Google+ (aka notFaceBook) had some multi-user chat stuff going on so you could, for instance, have half a dozen people you're working on a project with in one conversation (aka notIRC), with the ability to chuck pictures and other nonsense into the chat. Then they decided that not enough people were signing up to Google+ so they decided to thrust this stuff on everyone using regular chat.

    Essentially it's subject based rather than contact based chat. A bit like conference calling, especially in that it's always annoying, generally serves no purpose, and is a confusing way to interact.



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    ................................................................... go fuck yourself, Microsoft. Do not start fucking around with the positioning of drop down lists. Don't make me re-read and re-learn the positioning of the contents every single goddamn time I open it.

    Hey, be fair. Gnome (one of the major Linux desktop environemnts) has dropdown lists that work like that too, in many common configurations (e.g. Ubuntu). (As a bonus, they screw up if they're sufficiently close to the top of the screen that they wouldn't fit onscreen; they're moved onscreen, but scrolled past the end of the list, so you have to scroll upwards a bunch to select anything at all.)

    I guess there's less "messes up the muscle memory" to deal with, so Microsoft copying them is even more insane than the original. (Also, I'm not sure it triggers an onselect on Gnome if you choose the item that was already selected.)

    (Conclusion: this is evidence for my theory that "Microsoft have run out of ideas, so they copy them from Linux UIs, both the good ideas and the bad ideas".)



  • @_gaffer said:

    I've had overly clingy, jealous girlfriends in the past, and I certainly don't want my computer/tablet/phone to act like them.

    Yeah, but the crazy ones can suck a golf ball through garden hose, amirite?


    (Wait, that didn't make a lot of sense..)



  • @ais523 said:

    copy them from Linux UIs, both the good ideas and the bad ideas

    You made a typo here: you implied there were good ideas to copy from Linux UIs..



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @_gaffer said:
    I've had overly clingy, jealous girlfriends in the past, and I certainly don't want my computer/tablet/phone to act like them.

    Yeah, but the crazy ones can suck a golf ball through garden hose, amirite?


    (Wait, that didn't make a lot of sense..)

    I'll reconsider my stance when Microsoft starts making sex droids < insert your preferred "goes down x times a day" joke here >.



  • @_gaffer said:

    I'll reconsider my stance when Microsoft starts making sex droids < insert your preferred "goes down x times a day" joke here >.

    "Hey baby, feeling frisky?"

    Please login with your Microsoft Account to access this vagina.

    "Oh come on, baby, not this shit again. I don't even remember my damn password.. it's not like I actually use Hotmail."

    Please login with your Microsoft Account to access this vagina.

    "To hell with this, I'm just going to jerk off onto your shirt again.."

    License violation! License violation!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @_gaffer said:
    I'll reconsider my stance when Microsoft starts making sex droids < insert your preferred "goes down x times a day" joke here >.

    "Hey baby, feeling frisky?"

    Please login with your Microsoft Account to access this vagina.

    "Oh come on, baby, not this shit again. I don't even remember my damn password.. it's not like I actually use Hotmail."

    Please login with your Microsoft Account to access this vagina.

    "To hell with this, I'm just going to jerk off onto your shirt again.."

    License violation! License violation!

    Vagina login problems? Use backdoor exploit!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Something else annoying about Win8 (and possibly Win7 or before, but I haven't used them recently, so I dunno) I encountered today: I needed to install Skype on my Windows laptop because Skype on Linux is so terrible. Should be easy, right? [...]

    I installed Skype on Win7 about a week ago. Download installer, install, log on with Skype account. Now I feel justified in buying a new Win7 license.



  • @_gaffer said:

    I get the impression they're running full tilt at the tablet/phone market that OS X and Android are eating up, and they've forgotten that a fuckton of people out there still just want an easy way to jam numbers into excel, send email, and make powerpoint presentations to bore their coworkers with.
     

    Yes, they are running at mobile with all their will. No, they didn't forget that lots of people just want to use Office or email, they know quite well that those people are already trapped, and will complain a lot, postpone upgrades, downgrade whenever they can (what's good, as it costs more), but won't switch to something else. When they really need a new computer, they'll get a Windows one, mainly because there isn't anything else to buy out there.



  • @_gaffer said:

    There's a lot of "Waah, it doesn't work the way it used to and new things scare me" going on because there's always a massive amount of inertia in changing interfaces, no matter how much better the new system might be.

    I am frequently irritated by this claim, because it completely ignores an increasingly common case: that the new thing has been changed solely for marketing reasons and is in fact quite substantially worse than what it replaced. If I whinge about a UI change, it's because it's been causing me grief, not because "new things scare me".



  • @ubersoldat said:

    Does any one have any fucking idea of how the fuck does Google Hangouts work? Am I too stupid to understand that shit?

    I hired a team to study this question.

    They say no.

    Seriously. Nobody knows how to use Hangouts or any other Google+ feature. I can't even figure out why every time I log into YouTube I get a little banner saying I'm logged in as Blakeyrat. (Duh?)



  • @flabdablet said:

    I am frequently irritated by this claim, because it completely ignores an increasingly common case: that the new thing has been changed solely for marketing reasons and is in fact quite substantially worse than what it replaced. If I whinge about a UI change, it's because it's been causing me grief, not because "new things scare me".

    Sorry but you're overshadowed by the 60,000,000 people who are just bitching "new things scare me". You can solve this by making sure you make specific complaints. Make sure you demonstrate how it's actually the software maker's fault. (Think about how many people blame Windows because they have hardware problems.) Oh. And another protip: try using complaints that demonstrate you've actually used the product. The Slashdot people have a big problem with bitching about products they've obviously never used.



  • @flabdablet said:

    @_gaffer said:
    There's a lot of "Waah, it doesn't work the way it used to and new things scare me" going on because there's always a massive amount of inertia in changing interfaces, no matter how much better the new system might be.

    I am frequently irritated by this claim, because it completely ignores an increasingly common case: that the new thing has been changed solely for marketing reasons and is in fact quite substantially worse than what it replaced. If I whinge about a UI change, it's because it's been causing me grief, not because "new things scare me".

    Except, look at the first post in this thread. There's no attempt to justify that the change is bad, merely a whinge about how users have to learn something new.


  • @morbiuswilters said:

    You made a typo here: you implied there were good ideas to copy from Linux UIs..
    KDE activities. Disclaimer: I haven't used them much, but they sure sound like a good idea.

    Or independently draggable taskbar buttons. I don't know about Win8, but in Win7 they still group by application, and I hate it.

    Or virtual desktops.



  • @TDWTF123 said:

    Except, look at the first post in this thread. There's no attempt to justify that the change is bad, merely a whinge about how users have to learn something new.

    To be fair, it is from Lorne "there's no such thing as a diet" Kates, who we already know is an idiot.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    License violation! License violation!
    I've violated the Windows 7 Professional license terms the other day. I played Micro Machines V4 with a couple of friends.

    @MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS - WINDOWS 7 PROFESSIONAL said:

    2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.

    c. Number of Users. Unless otherwise provided in these license terms, only one user may use the
    software at a time.

    I'm a criminal. Maybe I should get a tattoo.



  • @Zecc said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    License violation! License violation!
    I've violated the Windows 7 Professional license terms the other day. I played Micro Machines V4 with a couple of friends.

    @MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS - WINDOWS 7 PROFESSIONAL said:

    2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.

    c. Number of Users. Unless otherwise provided in these license terms, only one user may use the
    software at a time.

    I'm a criminal. Maybe I should get a tattoo.

    @MICROSOFT CAR EULA said:

    2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.

    c. Number of Users. Unless otherwise provided in these license terms, only one user may drive the vehicle at a time.



  • @Lorne Kates said:

     Looks like Microsoft is taking a slice out of Firefox's mixed metaphor. "If it ain't broke, break it".

    More of a motto than a mixed metaphor.

    Isn't it ironic, doncha think?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    You can solve this by making sure you make specific complaints. Make sure you demonstrate how it's actually the software maker's fault. (Think about how many people blame Windows because they have hardware problems.) Oh. And another protip: try using complaints that demonstrate you've actually used the product.
     

    So in other words, exactly what I did. Good to know.

     @blakeyart said:

    To be fair, it is from Lorne "there's no such thing as a diet" Kates, who we already know is an idiot.

    I still love that the link in your quote goes to a thread where the only thing on screen is you being told to stop being a fucking moron. Followed by information that proves that yes, indeed, there's no such thing as a diet.

    So thanks for the link. I do appreciate you making my job easier.



  • @flabdablet said:

    @_gaffer said:
    There's a lot of "Waah, it doesn't work the way it used to and new things scare me" going on because there's always a massive amount of inertia in changing interfaces, no matter how much better the new system might be.

    I am frequently irritated by this claim, because it completely ignores an increasingly common case: that the new thing has been changed solely for marketing reasons and is in fact quite substantially worse than what it replaced. If I whinge about a UI change, it's because it's been causing me grief, not because "new things scare me".

    I'm not saying you're an idiot, just that the world has plenty of them, and often the dumber the louder. For example, there was much wailing and moaning over the OSX move to switch scrolling up to move the page down (like you're pushing the page, rather than moving down in a very abstract sense), but it took about 2 minutes to get the hang of, and feels more natural.


    Yes, there are some changes just for marketing reasons, but that doesn't remove all the whinging malcontents complaining about any new fangled technology. Just look at the sheer number of mouth breathing tosspots who maintain that vinyl is "warmer", etc, when what they're actually pining for is poorer sound quality.



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    Followed by information that proves that yes, indeed, there's no such thing as a diet.

    Yeah, no such thing as a diet. Thermodynamics is absolutely not a thing. You one of those fat fucks who loves having an excuse, no matter how nonsensical, to blame for your failures, or are you just stone cold fucking stupid?



  • @_gaffer said:

    the OSX move to switch scrolling up to move the page down (like you're pushing the page, rather than moving down in a very abstract sense)
     

    I have no idea what you're talking about. The scrollwheel on OSX behaves normally.



  • @dhromed said:

    I have no idea what you're talking about. The scrollwheel on OSX behaves normally.

    No it doesn't. By default, if you scroll the wheel towards the top of the mouse, it moves the page up, as if you were swiping up on a touchscreen. You can change it in preferences, but default is the opposite of everything we've used scroll wheels for in the past 10-15 years.



  • @dhromed said:

    @_gaffer said:

    the OSX move to switch scrolling up to move the page down (like you're pushing the page, rather than moving down in a very abstract sense)
     

    I have no idea what you're talking about. The scrollwheel on OSX behaves normally.

    Touchpad gestures. Specifically two finger scroll acts like you're dragging the content around. The change was made in either Snow Leopard or Lion. Many people bitched, no one really cares anymore.



  • It seems this is a new feature of (Mountain?) Lion, introduced with the trackpad, where it does make swipey sense.

    My designo-coworker must have changed that option, then.

    I've had OSX in a VM way way back (for Safari testing) and I assure you there was no reversed scroll direction.

     



  • @dhromed said:

    It seems this is a new feature of (Mountain?) Lion, introduced with the trackpad, where it does make swipey sense.

    My designo-coworker must have changed that option, then.

    I've had OSX in a VM way way back (for Safari testing) and I assure you there was no reversed scroll direction.

     

    Ah, OK. It's been a long time since I've used a mouse with OSX. I switch between the built in trackpad and a larger, more imposing trackpad. I just remember the trackpad change and the reaction of "This is so stupid, I'll never get used to oh hey, this is better".



  • @Lorne Kates said:

     @blakeyart said:

    To be fair, it is from Lorne "there's no such thing as a diet" Kates, who we already know is an idiot.

    I still love that the link in your quote goes to a thread where the only thing on screen is you being told to stop being a fucking moron. Followed by information that proves that yes, indeed, there's no such thing as a diet.

    So thanks for the link. I do appreciate you making my job easier.

    I just followed that link and read a bit of that thread.

    I'm enjoying my totally overzealous ad-blocker even more now that I know how much the fact that it works so well annoys people who think like Morbs and Blakey.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    The Slashdot people have a big problem with bitching about products they've obviously never used.

    "omg win8 blows. the worst part is when the, uh, gremlins pop out and go through your files and email embarrassing information to that cute girl who works at the Starbucks that you're too shy to ever even make eye contact with.. Lunix desktop 4 lyfe!"


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