Neckbeards Exposed!



  • Don't worry... their necks are still well-covered.



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    I love the look on the younger one's face. Yeah, dude, I can totally tell you didn't do anything. You're just watching the conference. The beard implies wisdom... right? What does hugging your jacket imply? I guess you can't really run to your girlfriend (or, more likely, mom) with this particular problem. So it'll just have to be you and Mr. Jacket there!



    If you read the female victim's comments, it seems like she actually precipitated the incident in question by making an unsolicited, friendly comment in passing to the neckbeards. "Oh boy! A girl said something to me! She must want me... let's woo her by making 'dongle' jokes. That should work!"



    I bet Mike Judge never imagined Beavis and Butthead would move to Seattle and make $50 per hour administering UNIX. Oh, except that at least one of the NixBeards here was fired... Rain Man style attempts at nonchalance notwithstanding.



    The lady who made this courageous stand has apparently been fired, too. We're not supposed to talk about the repressed nerd sexuality that permeates the tech conference cesspool.



    Everyone here talks a big game... maybe one of you is located in the Granola Belt and needs UNIX help? Or were you just going to hire your 20-year-old Nintendo buddy? If you find that you can't quite rip him away from "Band of Brothers Team Auto Theft: Ignoring the Call of Duty," I think I know an honest, mature, female alternative who doesn't need a beard to show her wisdom.



  • wow, you sure seem pretty angry about something! why don't you tell us all about it while being accusatory and aggressive!


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @bridget99 said:

    If you read the female victim
    Bwahahahaha.



    She's no victim. She's a professional offendee.



    She did precipitate the whole incident because she overheard eavesdropped on a private conversation (albeit in a public place) during what she thought decided to interpret as mild innuendo going on between two blokes that had nothing to do with her, then she went and published that photo on the internet claiming to be mortally offended without first doing any of

    (1) asking them to STFU and pay attention to the conference

    (2) going to the conference organisers and putting in a complaint.



    She got everything she deserved for pretending to be a delicate little flower while in practise being, yet again, an overbearing, insufferable, shit-stirrer.



    She has form in this department.



    She's not adverse, of course, to making her own innuendo and other offensive remarks, in public, on twitter. That's allowed apparently.





    This is a person whose job it is was to encourage people to co-operate. The fact that she was engendering the exact opposite, (and publicly hurt her company in the ensuing publicity I suspect) is why she got sacked.

    I think I know an honest, mature, female alternative who doesn't need a beard to show her wisdom.
    Perhaps you should mention her then, because that certainly doesn't describe Adria Richards rôle in this incident.

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  •  Also, what's the deal with airline food?



  • @Lorne Kates said:

     Also, what's the deal with airline food?


    It sucks, and I don't think it really classifies as 'food' except in the loosest terms.



  • @Algorythmics said:

    wow, you sure seem pretty angry about something! why don't you tell us all about it while being accusatory and aggressive!

    Yeah, I'm angry at the fact that the nerds who couldn't get into the police academy apparently learned UNIX instead. My experience is that twenty-something neckbeards are just one small part of the computing field, but their obnoxious disposition drives away the good guys (/girls). Loudly calling these people out in their preferred forum (teh Internet) is something that the rest of us increasingly see as a sacred duty. Your hostility is no surprise... hell, the woman I posted about got fired, presumably by someone with attitudes similar to your own.



  • @bridget99 said:

    @Algorythmics said:
    wow, you sure seem pretty angry about something! why don't you tell us all about it while being accusatory and aggressive!

    Yeah, I'm angry at the fact that the nerds who couldn't get into the police academy apparently learned UNIX instead. My experience is that twenty-something neckbeards are just one small part of the computing field, but their obnoxious disposition drives away the good guys (/girls). Loudly calling these people out in their preferred forum (teh Internet) is something that the rest of us increasingly see as a sacred duty. Your hostility is no surprise... hell, the woman I posted about got fired, presumably by someone with attitudes similar to your own.

    and obviously any dissenting opinion presented will only serve to confirm the presenter as a vile neckbeard



  • @Algorythmics said:

    @bridget99 said:
    @Algorythmics said:
    wow, you sure seem pretty angry about something! why don't you tell us all about it while being accusatory and aggressive!

    Yeah, I'm angry at the fact that the nerds who couldn't get into the police academy apparently learned UNIX instead. My experience is that twenty-something neckbeards are just one small part of the computing field, but their obnoxious disposition drives away the good guys (/girls). Loudly calling these people out in their preferred forum (teh Internet) is something that the rest of us increasingly see as a sacred duty. Your hostility is no surprise... hell, the woman I posted about got fired, presumably by someone with attitudes similar to your own.

    and obviously any dissenting opinion presented will only serve to confirm the presenter as a vile neckbeard

    Well, if you don't have a beard, being wrong just makes you wrong.



    I thought it was funny that the perps here both had scraggly Nixbeards. I guess big beer guts and ketchup-stained shirts would be over the top. Those guys look like they might actually have a shot with the opposite sex if they would 1) shave and 2) stop making sex jokes based on Unix. It's 2013 FFS... whatever comedy material was present in Unix has almost certainly been exhausted by now.



  • @PJH said:

    @bridget99 said:
    If you read the female victim
    Bwahahahaha.



    She's no victim. She's a professional offendee.



    She did precipitate the whole incident because she overheard eavesdropped on a private conversation (albeit in a public place) during what she thought decided to interpret as mild innuendo going on between two blokes that had nothing to do with her, then she went and published that photo on the internet claiming to be mortally offended without first doing any of

    (1) asking them to STFU and pay attention to the conference

    (2) going to the conference organisers and putting in a complaint.



    She got everything she deserved for pretending to be a delicate little flower while in practise being, yet again, an overbearing, insufferable, shit-stirrer.



    She has form in this department.



    She's not adverse, of course, to making her own innuendo and other offensive remarks, in public, on twitter. That's allowed apparently.





    This is a person whose job it is was to encourage people to co-operate. The fact that she was engendering the exact opposite, (and publicly hurt her company in the ensuing publicity I suspect) is why she got sacked.

    I think I know an honest, mature, female alternative who doesn't need a beard to show her wisdom.
    Perhaps you should mention her then, because that certainly doesn't describe Adria Richards rôle in this incident.

    Yeah, Adria does seem to have skipped straight from private outrage to public forum in a couple of instances. Here's why I don't have a problem with that: had she corrected these guys, they would have been apologetic. Cooler heads would have prevailed on both sides. And the hundreds of thousands of other sexually aggressive IT types wouldn't get called out by proxy. Believe me, what Adria did will have an effect.


    Once we agree that Adria had her reasons for going public, it's easy to agree on the rest. No sane person is going to disagree with her on the stupidity of Unix conference innuendo, nor will anyone deny the utter stupidity of having a conference session with "money shot" in its title.



  • @CodeNinja said:

    @Lorne Kates said:

     Also, what's the deal with airline food?


    It sucks, and I don't think it really classifies as 'food' except in the loosest terms.

    Don't order the low calorie meal on a return flight from England. It will almost certainly involve cucumbers.



  • @bridget99 said:

    Yeah, Adria does seem to have skipped straight from private outrage to public forum in a couple of instances. Here's why I don't have a problem with that: had she corrected these guys, they would have been apologetic. Cooler heads would have prevailed on both sides. And the hundreds of thousands of other sexually aggressive IT types wouldn't get called out by proxy. Believe me, what Adria did will have an effect.


    Once we agree that Adria had her reasons for going public, it's easy to agree on the rest. No sane person is going to disagree with her on the stupidity of Unix conference innuendo, nor will anyone deny the utter stupidity of having a conference session with "money shot" in its title.

    She didn't even bother to confirm intent. She didn't talk to them at all. That's not how civilization works. If you have a problem with someone, you confront that someone before you run the flag up the pole.

    Re: the "money shot" talk: yes she was right, it was an inappropriate title, but again: she didn't even talk to the conference or presenter before going public and making a huge stink. And after the problem was (swiftly) resolved, she didn't give the talk she was scheduled to give, but instead cheated everybody who paid to see her by talking about sexism instead.

    Is there a sexism problem in IT? Yes. 100% true. Adria Richards is doing nothing to help it.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @bridget99 said:
    Yeah, Adria does seem to have skipped straight from private outrage to public forum in a couple of instances. Here's why I don't have a problem with that: had she corrected these guys, they would have been apologetic. Cooler heads would have prevailed on both sides. And the hundreds of thousands of other sexually aggressive IT types wouldn't get called out by proxy. Believe me, what Adria did will have an effect.


    Once we agree that Adria had her reasons for going public, it's easy to agree on the rest. No sane person is going to disagree with her on the stupidity of Unix conference innuendo, nor will anyone deny the utter stupidity of having a conference session with "money shot" in its title.

    She didn't even bother to confirm intent. She didn't talk to them at all.


    I'm not sure what the intent could be that would make any difference. It is a bit unfair when people get turned into an example... but it's their own damned fault.



  • @bridget99 said:

    I'm not sure what the intent could be that would make any difference.

    Seriously? What if it was an inside joke, where the word "dongle" meant something completely other than she expected? Maybe they were putting together a piece of furniture, and one of the screws was too small and they started calling it a "dongle" and they were reminiscing over that?

    Now in this particular case the engineer involved did write an open letter and admitted he was making a sexist joke, but Richards had no way of knowing that. She didn't. Fucking. Ask. That's not how civilization works.

    @bridget99 said:

    It is a bit unfair when people get turned into an example... but it's their own damned fault.

    In this case, she happened, via dumb luck, to be correct. That's no excuse for her behavior.

    To use a terrible metaphor, if I shoot and kill a man, and it JUST SO HAPPENS he was a serial killer (but I didn't know that at the time of the killing), sure I did a good thing. But I was still 100% in the wrong, and I still have to face a trial and the consequences of being in the wrong.

    So it's right and proper that Richards lost her job. It's (possibly) also right and proper that the engineer who made the sexist joke lost his job, depending on his HR department's policies.

    Nobody came out a winner in this whole affair. Everybody loses. And it's because Richards couldn't just turn around in her chair and say, "hey guys, I don't appreciate jokes like that." Like a normal non-attention-whore civilized person would do.



  • Blakey, she seemed pretty clear about what she heard. I don't think the gray area you're trying to create ever existed.



    You said this isn't how civilization works. I agree. This is not how our misogynistic, Eurocentric, reason-biased society has worked so far. We disagree on whether or not this is acceptable. I happen to think that the current system, with its quasi-polite, entrenched sexism, has yielded some pretty suboptimal results, like classless neckbeards getting paid big bucks to type into a scary-looking BASH window at sixty words per day. To stand up and call these people out on their crap is only good.



  • @bridget99 said:

    Once we agree that Adria had her reasons for going public, it's easy to agree on the rest. No sane person is going to disagree with her on the stupidity of Unix conference innuendo, nor will anyone deny the utter stupidity of having a conference session with "money shot" in its title.

    No it isn't. One man's humor is another slut's mortal offense. Seriously, if we decide to let the tyranny of the perpetually offended determine appropriate decorum we'll all end up looking as stupid and humorless as these losers.



  • @bridget99 said:

    Blakey, she seemed pretty clear about what she heard. I don't think the gray area you're trying to create ever existed.

    I don't think it existed in her mind. I, however, think a reasonable person would have asked them what they meant by it before throwing them to the wolves.

    Misunderstandings happen All. The. Fucking. Time. Look at this forum if you need examples. She made an assumption about what they said. That is not right.

    One of the pillars of American civilization is "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt". Obviously Richards is not a Judge, but that doesn't change the fact that, in this case, she assigned sentence when there was reasonable doubt.

    @bridget99 said:

    To stand up and call these people out on their crap is only good.

    I agree, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE 100% SURE THEY ACTUALLY SAID IT FIRST.



  • @bridget99 said:

    Yeah, Adria does seem to have skipped straight from private outrage to public forum in a couple of instances. Here's why I don't have a problem with that: had she corrected these guys, they would have been apologetic. Cooler heads would have prevailed on both sides. And the hundreds of thousands of other sexually aggressive IT types wouldn't get called out by proxy. Believe me, what Adria did will have an effect.


    Once we agree that Adria had her reasons for going public, it's easy to agree on the rest. No sane person is going to disagree with her on the stupidity of Unix conference innuendo, nor will anyone deny the utter stupidity of having a conference session with "money shot" in its title.

    Wait... I was going to stay out of this, but you're seriously saying that it's OK that she went public instead of acting like a reasonable adult and trying to resolve the issue privately, instead causing this guy to loose his job and possibly ruined his career because 'the good of the many' solely on the weight of her accusations?

    Bullshit.

    That's like saying someone reports you for texting while driving in a company vehicle (with no proof) and loose your job over it while having your face and name plastered all over the place for it, letting everyone in the world know you text and drive in a company vehicle and open them up to litigation, which also has the side effect of possibly making it hard to find another job in your chosen career that requires you to drive a company vehicle. But it's all OK somehow because we made an example of one person who was (allegedly) acting like an idiot at the wrong place and wrong time, right?



  • "Unix Conference Dignitaries." LOL. That's a pretty amusing description. I'm not sure if an unshaven 50-year-old man with obesity-induced lordosis and a book with a coelacanth on the cover really oozes "dignity." But I guess one has to call them something.



  • @CodeNinja said:

    @bridget99 said:
    Yeah, Adria does seem to have skipped straight from private outrage to public forum in a couple of instances. Here's why I don't have a problem with that: had she corrected these guys, they would have been apologetic. Cooler heads would have prevailed on both sides. And the hundreds of thousands of other sexually aggressive IT types wouldn't get called out by proxy. Believe me, what Adria did will have an effect.


    Once we agree that Adria had her reasons for going public, it's easy to agree on the rest. No sane person is going to disagree with her on the stupidity of Unix conference innuendo, nor will anyone deny the utter stupidity of having a conference session with "money shot" in its title.

    Wait... I was going to stay out of this, but you're seriously saying that it's OK that she went public instead of acting like a reasonable adult and trying to resolve the issue privately, instead causing this guy to loose his job and possibly ruined his career because 'the good of the many' solely on the weight of her accusations?

    Bullshit.

    That's like saying someone reports you for texting while driving in a company vehicle (with no proof) and loose your job over it while having your face and name plastered all over the place for it, letting everyone in the world know you text and drive in a company vehicle and open them up to litigation, which also has the side effect of possibly making it hard to find another job in your chosen career that requires you to drive a company vehicle. But it's all OK somehow because we made an example of one person who was (allegedly) acting like an idiot at the wrong place and wrong time, right?

    I think it's good that she went public. As I said, had she corrected the neckbeards more discreetly, everyone would have made nice and we would be deprived of this object lesson in Neck-bro-sexism. She would have basically been doing them an undeserved favor. As a couple of young, snide, suburban, affluent white males, they don't deserve that.



  • @bridget99 said:

    As a couple of young, snide, suburban, affluent white males, they don't deserve that.

    Oh, so you've met these guys, then?

    So, you'd be OK with me posting pictures of my women coworkers who go around making snide remarks about Common Access Cards (CACs)?

    Which raises the interesting question, if the person is female, can they be a neckbeard? Whats the female version of a neckbeard?



  • @CodeNinja said:

    That's like saying someone reports you for texting while driving in a company vehicle (with no proof) and loose your job over it while having your face and name plastered all over the place for it, letting everyone in the world know you text and drive in a company vehicle and open them up to litigation, which also has the side effect of possibly making it hard to find another job in your chosen career that requires you to drive a company vehicle. But it's all OK somehow because we made an example of one person who was (allegedly) acting like an idiot at the wrong place and wrong time, right?

    Actually, your example is much worse. Texting while driving is much more serious problem. After all, it's not the nature of the evidence that's important, but the seriousness of the charge. Just ask Richard Jewell.



  • @CodeNinja said:

    @bridget99 said:
    As a couple of young, snide, suburban, affluent white males, they don't deserve that.

    Oh, so you've met these guys, then?

    So, you'd be OK with me posting pictures of my women coworkers who go around making snide remarks about Common Access Cards (CACs)?

    Which raises the interesting question, if the person is female, can they be a neckbeard? Whats the female version of a neckbeard?

    I saw pictures and read their online ouvre. That is the basis of my statements.



    The closest thing I can come up with to a female neckbeard is this woman I saw at a public golf course one time. She was aggressively flirting with the bar cart girls, loudly commenting on slow and/ or bad play, etc. She didn't have Asperger's syndrome, she had the opposite of that.



  • Could you mark when your posts switch from "bridget99 (person)" to "bridget99 (troll)"? because I'm having trouble telling them apart in this thread.



  • @CodeNinja said:

    Whats the female version of a neckbeard?
     

    Why? Why must you tempt me so? You know this forum. You know what gets posted. And yet, such a line gets uttered from your fingers.

     @CodeNinja said:


    Whats the female version of a neckbeard?

    ...

    {resisting}

    ...

    @CodeNinja said:

    Whats the female version of a neckbeard?

     

    ...

    Must... not...

     ...

    @CodeNinja said:

    Whats the female version of a neckbeard?

     

    ...

    YOUR MOM!



  • @boomzilla said:

    @CodeNinja said:
    That's like saying someone reports you for texting while driving in a company vehicle (with no proof) and loose your job over it while having your face and name plastered all over the place for it, letting everyone in the world know you text and drive in a company vehicle and open them up to litigation, which also has the side effect of possibly making it hard to find another job in your chosen career that requires you to drive a company vehicle. But it's all OK somehow because we made an example of one person who was (allegedly) acting like an idiot at the wrong place and wrong time, right?

    Actually, your example is much worse. Texting while driving is much more serious problem. After all, it's not the nature of the evidence that's important, but the seriousness of the charge. Just ask Richard Jewell.

    I don't have a moral problem with anything "and driving" unless /until actual damage is done. It's really a subjective judgment call before that point is reached. Being a sexist neckbeard is far worse.



  • Who is this Adrian Richards and why should I give a shit about her?



  • @bridget99 said:

    @CodeNinja said:
    @bridget99 said:
    As a couple of young, snide, suburban, affluent white males, they don't deserve that.

    Oh, so you've met these guys, then?

    So, you'd be OK with me posting pictures of my women coworkers who go around making snide remarks about Common Access Cards (CACs)?

    Which raises the interesting question, if the person is female, can they be a neckbeard? Whats the female version of a neckbeard?

    I saw pictures and read their online ouvre. That is the basis of my statements.



    The closest thing I can come up with to a female neckbeard is this woman I saw at a public golf course one time. She was aggressively flirting with the bar cart girls, loudly commenting on slow and/ or bad play, etc. She didn't have Asperger's syndrome, she had the opposite of that.


    You sound judgmental and confrontational. Do I work with you?



    @Lorne Kates said:

    @CodeNinja said:

    Whats the female version of a neckbeard?
     

    Why? Why must you tempt me so? You know this forum. You know what gets posted. And yet, such a line gets uttered from your fingers.


    Because the responses would piss Bridget99 off, and be hilarious at the same time?



    @Lorne Kates said:
    YOUR MOM!

    That's the best you've got? Somehow I expected more... :)



  • @bridget99 said:

    I don't have a moral problem with anything "and driving" unless /until actual damage is done. It's really a subjective judgment call before that point is reached. Being a sexist neckbeard is far worse.

    Yeah, that's kinda how I feel about off color humor, which to me is different than being sexist. Either way, deliberately, seriously impairing your ability to prevent the lethal weapon under your control from causing grave damage is bad news.

    There is such a thing as inappropriate behavior, and that's a bad thing. It's not as obvious to me that these guys were being terribly inappropriate, but I suspect that they were.

    Q: How many women does it take to fork a git repo?
    A: That's not funny!


  • So... what were the actual jokes?

    I ask because delivery is a factor contributing to the actual level of humour. For example, the following would only be amusing as an in-joke in modern times:

    • Left: Lol. Forking repos.
    • Right: Lol. Big Dongles.
    • Both: Lol.

    Obviously pretty dull. Particularly if you're interested in hearing whatever is being said at the front. I remember in school being bored with the frequent use of innuendo for humour, and that says something because I'll laugh at anything. On the other hand, perhaps they were at least trying for wit:

    • Monocled-left: ...and so in realising that the dongle software was somewhat bloated, I issued a pull request such that I could issue the upgrade of my own design.
    • Monocled-right: Do I quite understand correctly that you attempted to 'pull' based on your claims of a 'bloated dongle'?
    • Monocled-left: Oh my, I hadn't thought of that! I should have forked the repo while I was at it.
    • Monocled-right: Quite so. Rollicking good laugh.

    Ok, so obviously this never happened because neither of them is wearing a monocle. I guess they could ask the guy next them to borrow his glasses and jury-rig something.

    The point is we will never know what really happened, because Adria never quoted the actual jokes, or took a recording. We can only assume she's upset because these guys were meant to be comedians, but weren't.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Nobody came out a winner in this whole affair. Everybody loses. And it's because Richards couldn't just turn around in her chair and say, "hey guys, I don't appreciate jokes like that." Like a normal non-attention-whore civilized person would do.

    It's sad when someone sees bias where bias doesn't exist doesn't understand how they can be so biased...



  • Something I found funny.



    The 'forking the repo' joke was meant as flattery. Any even if it had sexual connotations.... two guys said between themselves they'd "like to fork his repo". And the dongle jokes are also about male anatomy.



    I may be thick, but how is a conversation that never mentions a female sexist against females?



  • @GiskardReventlov said:

    Something I found funny.



    The 'forking the repo' joke was meant as flattery. Any even if it had sexual connotations.... two guys said between themselves they'd "like to fork his repo". And the dongle jokes are also about male anatomy.



    I may be thick, but how is a conversation that never mentions a female sexist against females?
     

    Because females (usually) don't have dongles, and so they feel left out.



  • @DescentJS said:

    @GiskardReventlov said:
    I may be thick, but how is a conversation that never mentions a female sexist against females?

    Because females (usually) don't have dongles, and so they feel left out.

    What?! Seems like lately, it's all the rage for them to get their dongles surgically enhanced.



  • @GiskardReventlov said:

    Something I found funny.



    The 'forking the repo' joke was meant as flattery. Any even if it had sexual connotations.... two guys said between themselves they'd "like to fork his repo". And the dongle jokes are also about male anatomy.



    I may be thick, but how is a conversation that never mentions a female sexist against females?
    Because you can't be sexist against males, just like you can't be racist against whites.



  • @bridget99 said:

    @boomzilla said:
    @CodeNinja said:
    That's like saying someone reports you for texting while driving in a company vehicle (with no proof) and loose your job over it while having your face and name plastered all over the place for it, letting everyone in the world know you text and drive in a company vehicle and open them up to litigation, which also has the side effect of possibly making it hard to find another job in your chosen career that requires you to drive a company vehicle. But it's all OK somehow because we made an example of one person who was (allegedly) acting like an idiot at the wrong place and wrong time, right?

    Actually, your example is much worse. Texting while driving is much more serious problem. After all, it's not the nature of the evidence that's important, but the seriousness of the charge. Just ask Richard Jewell.

    I don't have a moral problem with anything "and driving" unless /until actual damage is done. It's really a subjective judgment call before that point is reached. Being a sexist neckbeard is far worse.

    Moronic attitude. I myself have almost been run over three times by such morons. Your driver's livense is given to you on the assumption that you'll abide by the rules you were taught. If you can't abide by those rules, you have no place moving a weapon on public streets.

    I don't care what you're doing to yourself, but as soon as you're putting other people in danger through negligence, that's where your freedom to act like a jerk ends.



  • @GiskardReventlov said:

    I may be thick, but how is a conversation that never mentions a female sexist against females?
     

    It wasn't a sexist joke. It was a sexual joke. The fork comment wasn't sexual. The dongle joke was.

    Reading Adria Richards' twitter feed is illuminating. She is an immense hypocrite, a misandrist, a racist, and thinks she is a hero becuase of this incident. She has compared herself to Joan of Arc. She's the perfect picture of the delusional and perpetually offended SJW.



  • @CodeNinja said:

    @bridget99 said:
    @CodeNinja said:
    @bridget99 said:
    As a couple of young, snide, suburban, affluent white males, they don't deserve that.

    Oh, so you've met these guys, then?

    So, you'd be OK with me posting pictures of my women coworkers who go around making snide remarks about Common Access Cards (CACs)?

    Which raises the interesting question, if the person is female, can they be a neckbeard? Whats the female version of a neckbeard?

    I saw pictures and read their online ouvre. That is the basis of my statements.



    The closest thing I can come up with to a female neckbeard is this woman I saw at a public golf course one time. She was aggressively flirting with the bar cart girls, loudly commenting on slow and/ or bad play, etc. She didn't have Asperger's syndrome, she had the opposite of that.


    You sound judgmental and confrontational. Do I work with you?



    @Lorne Kates said:

    @CodeNinja said:

    Whats the female version of a neckbeard?
     

    Why? Why must you tempt me so? You know this forum. You know what gets posted. And yet, such a line gets uttered from your fingers.


    Because the responses would piss Bridget99 off, and be hilarious at the same time?



    @Lorne Kates said:
    YOUR MOM!

    That's the best you've got? Somehow I expected more... :)

    I doubt I work with you. I've got some experience with people who call themselves "code ninjas" and they're seldom willing to suffer my presence beyond the half-hour arranged by their HR department.



    And look, man: you don't have to convince me or anyone else that I'm an asshole. Consider that point conceded. I would be the world champion of assholes, except that that would almost sound like me winning something. I will also propose a corollary to this conceded point about me being an asshole: buried in the shit I spew on this forum are some lessons about where Bridget99s come from, and how all you nice, decent people can avoid making more of us.



  • @bridget99 said:

    reason-biased

    I had never heard that term before, what does it mean?



  • TOPIC SUMMARY

    TOPIC SUMMARY

    • Group of men have conversation about technology
    • Jokes about penises are made
    • bridget99 gets upset about nothing
    • Sound familiar?


  • @spamcourt said:

    @bridget99 said:
    reason-biased

    I had never heard that term before, what does it mean?

    I used it to refer to the typical Occidental view that there are pat, scientific answers to all, or at least most, of life's questions. This is basically the foundation of modern Western culture. It's an outgrowth of the Renaissance... before that, people were content to believe that gnomes caused crop failures, that God hand-selected the King, and so on.



    I believe reason, and rational discourse, to be profoundly overrated in today's society. Emotions matter. Intuition matters. Both of these statements are true regardless of reason. And reason can lead us astray. Feelings seldom do. "Trust your gut," as the saying goes.



  • @bridget99 said:

    words

    Yes, you are a troll, but could you at least try to speak conversational English and not 13th century English? Nagesh makes more sense than that shit.

    Edit: wait, are you saying that using logic and reasoning makes people wrong? I suppose you don't like computers, then, since they operate on nothing but logic.



  • @bridget99 said:

    Well, if you don't have a beard, being wrong just makes you wrong.
     

    If you have a beard, do you need to be wrong to be wrong?



  • @ComputerForumUser said:

    @bridget99 said:

    Well, if you don't have a beard, being wrong just makes you wrong.
     

    If you have a beard, do you need to be wrong to be wrong?

    Yes... but you have already got a 50% head start on being Velcro if you're bearded, and also, Arab men won't proposition you sexually. That could be good or bad.



  • @ComputerForumUser said:

    @bridget99 said:

    Well, if you don't have a beard, being wrong just makes you wrong.
     

    If you have a beard, do you need to be wrong to be wrong?


    Remember, bridget advocates against the use of logic and reasoning. Any statement's truthfulnesstruthiness comes directly from bridget's spleen.



  • @Ben L. said:

    @bridget99 said:
    words

    Yes, you are a troll, but could you at least try to speak conversational English and not 13th century English? Nagesh makes more sense than that shit.

    Edit: wait, are you saying that using logic and reasoning makes people wrong? I suppose you don't like computers, then, since they operate on nothing but logic.

    I'm saying that all sorts of necessary adjuncts to reason are ignored by the Western culture you all seem to hold dear. I've been a participant in enough rational discourse to know that this approach gets things wrong about as often as the old, purely superstition-based approach did.



  • @bridget99 said:

    I'm not sure what the intent could be that would make any difference. It is a bit unfair when people get turned into an example... but it's their own damned fault.

    So you agree that she should have been fired?



  • @spamcourt said:

    @bridget99 said:
    reason-biased

    I had never heard that term before, what does it mean?

    It's defined right there.



  • @Ben L. said:

    @ComputerForumUser said:

    @bridget99 said:

    Well, if you don't have a beard, being wrong just makes you wrong.
     

    If you have a beard, do you need to be wrong to be wrong?


    Remember, bridget advocates against the use of logic and reasoning. Any statement's truthfulnesstruthiness comes directly from bridget's spleen.
     

     She did not say that, she said: "I believe reason, and rational discourse, to be profoundly overrated in today's society." 

    I agree with that statement.  As evidence:  the society which tries to fix complex chronic diseases with a single "silver bullet" pill, or a meeting where things which cannot be expressed on a  'powerpoint' slide basically cannot be communicated. 

    Black and White, 1 and 0, these are concepts in our minds with no counterpart in reality.  To create a computer program, you generally need to assume that 1 and 0 not only exist, but that they cover all possible outcomes.  

     



  • @CodeNinja said:



    @Lorne Kates said:
    YOUR MOM!

    That's the best you've got? Somehow I expected more... :)
     

    Funny, that's what your mom said, too.

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    [i]edit[/i]: Wait, how do I undo a post?



  • @Ben L. said:

    TOPIC SUMMARY

    • Group of men have conversation about technology
    • Jokes about penises are made
    • bridget99 gets upset about nothing
    • Sound familiar?

     

    TOPIC SUMMARY

    - Thread gets overly complex and derailed
    - Ben L. posts summary of topic thusfar
    - Lorne satirizes the format of Ben L.'s post
    - Sound familiar?

     

     


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