Pedantic Dickweedery At The Movies
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Alex Weinberg is a structural engineer who has a big problem with how movies portray the destruction of bridges, and is particularly upset about suspension bridges.
He goes into great detail about how suspension bridges are designed and why the movies are all wrong. The article calls out a few movies by name including I Am Legend, X-Men: The Last Stand, Godzilla (2014) and The Dark Knight Rises.
Whenever I see an article like this I am reminded of a piece I read many years ago where some "scientist" explained why most of the technology in Star Trek can't actually work. And a couple of years ago celebrity astronomer Neil Degrasse Tyson wrote a piece about the "scientific inaccuracies" in the George Clooney/Sandra Bullock move Gravity.
is wrong with these people? Seriously. Do these people not understand that Batman, the X-men, Star Trek and Godzilla don't actually exist?
When Neil Degrasse Tyson complains about a scene in Gravity where the Hubble Telescope, The International Space Station and a Chinese Space Station are all in line of site of each other --- what about the fact that George Clooney and Sandra Bullock are not really astronauts and have never actually been into space? What about that inaccuracy?
Criticizing fictional characters, fictional events and fictional devices for having techinal flaws strikes me as the height of stupidity.
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On the other hand, we have the very real effect that shows like CSI have on juries when it comes to forensic evidence.
Additionally, sometimes the bad science is there for no reason at all. One example would be "The Core" where this stupid "professor" tells his students that soundwaves, upon passing into a denser medium, change their wavelength and frequency.
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When Neil Degrasse Tyson complains about a scene in Gravity where the Hubble Telescope, The International Space Station and a Chinese Space Station are all in line of site of each other --- what about the fact that George Clooney and Sandra Bullock are not really astronauts and have never actually been into space? What about that inaccuracy?
It there is anyone that deseves a pedantic dickweedery badge, it's Neil Degrasse Tyson:
"Neil deGrasse Tyson sent me quite a snarky email saying that, at that time of year, in that position in the Atlantic in 1912, when Rose (Kate Winslet) is lying on the piece of driftwood and staring up at the stars, that is not the star field she would have seen," said Cameron.
From: 'Titanic' Accuracy Tightened by Neil deGrasse Tyson - news.discovery.com
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Does the flash get bored when he does boring stuff really fast?
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Mythbusters tests Hollywood myths all the time. What is wrong with understanding what is totally made up?
Also, somethings movies/tv go over the top. Like that NCIS episode where there is a hacker and the two NCIS people start sharing a keyboard to type frantically to fight the hacker. Absolutely ridiculous.
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When Neil Degrasse Tyson complains about a scene in Gravity where the Hubble Telescope, The International Space Station and a Chinese Space Station are all in line of site of each other --- what about the fact that George Clooney and Sandra Bullock are not really astronauts and have never actually been into space? What about that inaccuracy?
That is a ridiculous comparison. Clooney and Bullock played astronauts--I don't have much of a problem with that. But those three things are so far from each other there's no way that escape plan could have worked, it's like that 'shopped picture of bridge construction where the two parts don't meet.
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I hate technically inaccurate movies. I had to do a lot of damage control among my tech-illiterate friends after Die Hard 4 and Eagle Eye came out because they were convinced their bank accounts were going to get hacked through the speaker on their cell phone resonating with a CB radio coupled to the warp core's quantum flux inverter bypass line which takes three seconds to crack using a MicroSD card and a paperclip.
If Hollywood would hire competent tech consultants when writing scripts, I'd have less tech support to do.
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Mythbusters tests Hollywood myths all the time. What is wrong with understanding what is totally made up?
Also, somethings movies/tv go over the top. Like that NCIS episode where there is a hacker and the two NCIS people start sharing a keyboard to type frantically to fight the hacker. Absolutely ridiculous.
That's not the top, however. Remember that coding scene from Password Swordfish?
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Criticizing fictional characters, fictional events and fictional devices for having techinal flaws strikes me as the height of stupidity.
It's just another way of enjoying a movie. Guys like Neil aren't saying "This movie SUCKS because of these nitpicks!" They enjoy the movie, and then as another layer of enjoyment they can appreciate, they go over it pointing out things that don't quite make sense. You're upset because people are enjoying movies "wrong".
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That is a ridiculous comparison. Clooney and Bullock played astronauts--I don't have much of a problem with that. But those three things are so far from each other there's no way that escape plan could have worked, it's like that 'shopped picture of bridge construction where the two parts don't meet.
The distance is not the only problem. Due to the Hubble being about 100 km farther out, they also have a Δv of 500 m/s.
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If Hollywood would hire competent tech consultants when writing scripts, I'd have less tech support to do
If Hollywood portrayed hacking accurately the movies would be really boring
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@mott555 said:
If Hollywood would hire competent tech consultants when writing scripts, I'd have less tech support to do
If Hollywood portrayed hacking accurately the movies would be really boring
Boring movies don't bother me. I don't really watch movies or TV.
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The distance is not the only problem.
Well, yes, but it's enough of one that I didn't want to bother talking about delta vee.
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@Rhywden said:
The distance is not the only problem.
Well, yes, but it's enough of one that I didn't want to bother talking about delta vee.
Indeed. However, it's quite interesting to see that the issue of Δv leads to interesting results - did you know, for example, that it's easier from an energy viewpoint to leave the solar system than to travel to the sun?
Not accounting for special maneuvers like the Slingshot maneuver, of course.
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than to travel to the sun?
What? You don't just fire a ground-based rocket and it reaches the sun 10 seconds later?
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How many light-minutes from sun to earth again?
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I was referencing Star Trek: Generations. But to answer your question, about 8 light-minutes.
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If Hollywood would hire competent tech consultants
From what I've heard, sometimes they do, but inevitably their notes end up in the circular file.
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WarGames and Sneakers were moderately accurate and very interesting.
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Not accounting for special maneuvers like the Slingshot maneuver, of course.
That's the one that helps you save the whales, right?
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hey enjoy the movie, and then as another layer of enjoyment they can appreciate, they go over it pointing out things that don't quite make sense.
AKA Pedantic Dickweedery.
That is a ridiculous comparison. Clooney and Bullock played astronauts--I don't have much of a problem with that.
I don't have a problem with it either. But you're missing the point. You're saying that it's perfectly OK to pretend that a couple of actors are in space,. but it's not OK to pretend that they can see Hubble and the ISS at the same time.All movies/TV shows are based on pretense, due to the fact that reality is pretty boring. There is no James Bond. There is no Batman. The NCIS agents on TV probably shoot more people in one episode that the real life agents do in a year.
To accept one pretense, that is completely made up, but reject another one because it is "technically inaccurate" is pedantic dickweedery, hence the title.
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reject another one because it is "technically inaccurate" is pedantic dickweedery
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The issue is with people understanding the pretenses in play. Due to the appalling state of scientific literacy most people won't actually realize that these inaccuracies are pretenses and will base future judgements about scientific topics on them.
Of course, complaining about the starscape in Titanic is inexcuaable dickweedery.
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soundwaves, upon passing into a denser medium, change their wavelength and frequency.
Either I'm high right now, or that... actually makes sense.
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Also helps Tom Cruise get away from critics.
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@Rhywden said:
soundwaves, upon passing into a denser medium, change their wavelength and frequency.
Either I'm high right now, or that... actually makes sense.
I would expect wavelength to change, but not frequency.
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You should listen to Neil explain why he pointed it out and what Cameron said to him. It really is quite funny and enlightening.
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Indeed. As the frequency is determined by the energy, a change in frequency would also entail a change in energy.
Such a change from merely passing into a denser material does not make sense :)
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I don't have a problem with it either. But you're missing the point. You're saying that it's perfectly OK to pretend that a couple of actors are in space,. but it's not OK to pretend that they can see Hubble and the ISS at the same time.
Yes, because you're not pretending that a couple of actors are in space. You're pretending that a couple of astronauts are in space. Which is perfectly reasonable. Those astronauts are portrayed by actors, but they're not supposed to be actors inside the film itself.
The issue with the Hubble and the ISS is one of internal consistency. The film essentially says "this is a world mostly the same as the one you inhabit, with some minor differences that get the story going". But then they place "landmarks" where they shouldn't be. It'd be like a couple of actors in a movie set in New York said "the Brooklyn bridge is closed, let's take the Golden Gate instead!". The Golden Gate bridge isn't in New York, and the fact that they'd take it breaks the internal consistency of the movie. It's no longer the same world but with a few differences to get started, the world is significantly different.
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How can a fucking wizard be poor in the harry potter movies?
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Also, somethings movies/tv go over the top. Like that NCIS episode where there is a hacker and the two NCIS people start sharing a keyboard to type frantically to fight the hacker. Absolutely ridiculous.
That's so ridiculous, that it comes out from the other side, being awesome
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When Neil Degrasse Tyson complains about a scene in Gravity where the Hubble Telescope, The International Space Station and a Chinese Space Station are all in line of site of each other
I believe this was an artistic choice, to avoid the movie being basically 85 minutes of Sandra Bullock trying to calculate orbital mechanics with a slide-rule.
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85 minutes of Sandra Bullock trying to calculate orbital mechanics with a slide-rule.
Still a better love story than Twilight.
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How can a fucking wizard be poor in the harry potter movies?
This reminds me how Terry Pratchet sidestepped such things with his Law of Conservation of Reality (Google cache version because the original seems down ATM).
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Yeah, but Attack of the Clones was a better love story than Twilight.
As was An Inconvenient Truth. And Taylor Mead's Ass. And most Failblog videos.
Disclaimer: I have not actually seen Twilight But that doesn't mean that a romance between a politician and the sound of his own voice isn't going to be better than that.
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is wrong with these people? Seriously. Do these people not understand that Batman, the X-men, Star Trek and Godzilla don't actually exist?
That's not the issue: they aren't bothered at all, they're just explaining the facts to other people who think the movies portray reality.
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He missed I, Robot, one of the most blatantly wrong examples. And it was a MAJOR plot point in that movie.
I wish I could remember what movie it was but there was one recently that shows a train crash through a subway station, and the train blows through like 25 concrete pillars and barely even slows down and it was PISSING ME OFF because there was no rebar.
And I'm like, "dude, there's no rebar in that subway station, it was going to collapse next week even without the train".
I mean I get that he only skill Hollywood writers have is being writers, but how could the 500 people involved in that special effects sequence ALL lack the knowledge of HOW THE WORLD WORKS to think that concrete pillars have no rebar?
Oh and that scene in Cloverfield where a building was leaning against another building, Jesus. That was awful.
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Speed? Because it sounds like you just described the finale in Speed.
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I think that was the finale action sequence in Speed.
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It was a recent movie (I think I saw the trailer while watching 2014 Godzilla), but Speed may have exhibited the same problem.
In some ways, I like movies like the upcoming Gods of Egypt which was so utterly ridiculous in all aspects, it doesn't even slightly matter if you believe the physics.
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You're saying that it's perfectly OK to pretend that a couple of actors are in space,. but it's not OK to pretend that they can see Hubble and the ISS at the same time.
Yes, yes I am, because those two things are different categories of "doesn't comport with reality".
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Either I'm high right now, or that... actually makes sense.
What? That's actually true. Generalizing, pretty much all waves do that, including light.
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How can a fucking wizard be poor in the harry potter movies?
Because they're apparently clueless due to authorial fiat.
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I mean I get that he only skill Hollywood writers have is being writers, but how could the 500 people involved in that special effects sequence ALL lack the knowledge of HOW THE WORLD WORKS to think that concrete pillars have no rebar?
Dunning-Kruger, man.
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What? That's actually true. Generalizing, pretty much all waves do that, including light.
I know, right?
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If Hollywood portrayed hacking accurately the movies would be really boring
Hm, I think Mr Robot shows quite well that being reasonably accurate doesn't necessarily have to ruin the movie/show. Doing at least some research can make movies so much more believable.