Spaces in file paths, part 7.38*10^89
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I just ran in tho this problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31140101/eclipse-mars-ant-task-references-missing-swt-library
In short: the latest version of Eclipse ("Mars") chokes because there's a space character in the path it's installed to ("C:\Program Files") - seriously?! Eclipse Devs, you've got to be trolling. What year is this? How long have spaces in folder/file names been a thing now?
Oh, wait. Seems like it has been fixed: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31447926/ant-build-with-eclipse-mars-fails-due-to-missing-classpath-reference - still,
Eclipse for letting this slip through into a release in the first place?
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Since I'm too lazy to search for this one. Who thought it would be a good idea to allow spaces in file paths and for it to be used as a delimiter at the same time?
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Eclipse is the Lotus Notes of the development world.
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Eclipse is still better than Netbeans.
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Since I'm too lazy to search for this one. Who thought it would be a good idea to allow spaces in file paths and for it to be used as a delimiter at the same time?
I feel particularly lazy today, so instead of writing my own rant about paths being a bad idea at all, I'll summon @blakeyrat instead.
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At least I've been able to launch Netbeans.
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Yeah, thanks for opening the gates of hell.
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If command lines weren't a thing, there would be nothing wrong with having spaces in file paths. In fact, there wouldn't even be a reason for file paths to be strings. Thanks, decisions made decades ago, for limiting modern software.
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Eclipse is still better than Netbeans.
I've used (or was forced to use, depending on perspective) both extensively during my career, and I have to say, in both I find some things that they do better than the other, while both also have some annoying aspects - so for me there's no clear winner between them.
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Netbeans looks ugly as sin:
https://netbeans.org/images_www/v7/3/features/ide-editor-full.pngEclipse looks pretty nice:
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Netbeans looks ugly as sin
So what? It's a tool, it's not supposed to win beauty peageants. Would you buy a drill or a buzzsaw based on whether it's beautifully designed, or rather on how well it performs its intended function?
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I don't know about you, but my Eclipse sessions look a lot more like that Netbeans layout than that Eclipse layout…
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I set all the shit around the side to automatically hide on Eclipse.
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I was talking about everything looking very non-native and like old GTK shit.
Not about the amount of sub-windows.
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I was talking about everything looking very non-native and like old GTK shit.
Ah, that's the difference between Swing (with a crappy style choice) and SWT.
To be fair, I got into using Eclipse to start out with because it used non-shit fonts by default compared with Netbeans at that time. This was quite a long time ago. I could have fixed the Netbeans font choices I suppose, but I didn't see why I ought to need to do that.
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You can always file a bug report and mention that you're having a Windows-specific problem and{
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WINDOWS AND OPEN SOURCE!!!!!
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Filed under: We literally don't have access to any Micro$ucks environments, works on my machine, CLOSED_WONT_FIX
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I started on Netbeans then it annoyed me so moved to Eclipse.
I still fire up Netbeans for the rarely used stuff I can't be bothered to move into Eclipse, but I use it rarely.
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The reason I don't use Eclipse is because I hate the stupid 'workspace' thing. I like Visual Studio-style projects, which NetBeans has. If I have a maven project on a flash drive, NetBeans lets me intuitively open it. In Eclipse I had to do an hour of Googling and chatting with a friend who uses Eclipse just to find out that in my particular case it was impossible (aka: it was too hard and I gave up and uninstalled Eclipse). Clearly, I'm too dumb to use Eclipse.
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How dare you post a screenshot from a new version, thereby insensitively forcing people like @aliceif to reevaluate their existing prejudices that they painstakingly nurtured to the current day since forming them based on information that is long outdated by now.
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a screenshot from a new version
Ah, so the fonts are still butt-ugly by default. Good to know…
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You can import projects.
Don't ask me how, I have last used Eclipse a year or so ago.
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Where, cunningly, there's an option for Existing Maven Project.
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I'm actually wondering what kind of keywords, over the course of
an hour of Googling
you would have to use to avoid finding the solution.
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cunningly
But how cunningly? As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?
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Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?
How did you know that i was hired there? the official announcement hasn't been published yet!
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Can I make a "cunning linguist" joke here or is that too childish?
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@Luhmann said:
Professor of
CunningSpellars at Oxford University?How did you know that i was hired there? the official announcement hasn't been published yet!
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@accalia said:
nah. i can't be that professor. for whatever rasin that's a hereditary position at Oxford and the last professor of Spellars died in 1732 without issue, the post has remained vacant since then, awaiting a new royal appointment to the post.@Luhmann said:
Professor of
CunningSpellars at Oxford University?How did you know that i was hired there? the official announcement hasn't been published yet!
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To be fair, in most Linux systems it looks like this:
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Can I make a "cunning linguist" joke here or is that too childish?
#PERFORMING ORAL SEX ON A WOMAN!
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Can I make a "cunning linguist" joke here or is that too childish?
@Lorne_Kates said:
PERFORMING ORAL SEX ON A WOMAN!
I don't get it.
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@anonymous234 said:
Can I make a "cunning linguist" joke here or is that too childish?
@Lorne_Kates said:
PERFORMING ORAL SEX ON A WOMAN!
I don't get it.
- If you're a woman, you're missing out. Get a Real Man (tm)(c)
- If you're a man, then there's your problem right there.
2a) Unless you're trans, in which case the Trans thread is that way :smile_emoticon_joke_with_arrows:
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On the subject of Java IDEs, I use IntelliJ IDEA for my Minecraft mod development:
http://i.imgur.com/csQlpuj.png
I personally prefer it to Eclipse, I haven't tried NetBeans.
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I just link to this essay:
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So what? It's a tool, it's not supposed to win beauty peageants.
"You're a software developer! You don't care if it looks ugly or is hard to use or is inaccessible or isn't discoverable!"
Well, guess what? I'm a software developer and I do. Fuck off.
It's just a lame excuse to release shitty unfinished software.
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Does it still draw fonts in the wrong size?
Try setting your editor font to 14, and see if it actually draws 11.5 (roughly) on the screen. (My theory is it's trying to do some bullshit manual DPI correction, but is unaware that Windows runs at 92 DPI. Generally.)
That's the bug that made me go, "Netbeans? No thanks." If they can't get FONT RENDERING correct, imagine the 346,234723,32136716 billion more difficult things they have wrong under-the-hood!
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There is a wide margin between "so hideous that it's causing eye cancer" and "well, it's not very pretty, but I can live with it". But I guess in your black-and-white world there's no room for that.
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There is a wide margin between "so hideous that it's causing eye cancer" and "well, it's not very pretty, but I can live with it".
Perhaps.
But the argument "it's for programmers, it doesn't need to be good" is still bullshit. And I'll call it out as bullshit whenever I see it. Because if I don't we end up with shit like Git, or SourceTree, or Lotus Notes and everybody suffers.
The real reason it's ugly and can't render fonts in the correct size, and let's be honest here, is because it's an open source project, and therefore nobody working on it even understands (much less gives a shit about) usability issues.
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People who aren't programmers don't care about the exact size of letters on screen. They only care about relative size - ie. is the header bigger than normal text (they don't care if header is 6pt or 36pt as long as it's bigger than normal text) and if it's big enough to be readable (and they define readability in terms of if the text is readable, not in terms of if the font size is above minimum). The problem you describe wouldn't be noticed by normal people, so not fixing this bug is treating programmers the same as normal users.
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People who aren't programmers don't care about the exact size of letters on screen.
Ok.
But people who are programmers, presumably this includes NetBeans programmers, do. By your own logic. Therefore, NetBeans has terrible programmers who produce broken shit. QED.
The problem you describe wouldn't be noticed by normal people,
That's a fucking lie and you know it.
so not fixing this bug is treating programmers the same as normal users.
Have you ever once seen a program aimed at non-programmers that got font rendering wrong? Ever? Once? Once ever? No. No you haven't.
Look, the only significance to NetBeans getting this wrong is: it's written by shitty programmers who have no fucking clue what they're doing.
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"it's for programmers, it doesn't need to be good"
You're always chewing people out for quoting out of context. So measure up to your own standards and SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT - or fuck off yourself.All I said was that it doesn't have to be pretty. "Pretty" does not equal "good". A UI does not have to look like it's been designed by Enzo Ferrari himself to be useable.
And no, before you go off misquoting me again: Neither did I say nor imply that those two things are completely orthogonal. A horrible UI may very much be detrimental to useability. It's just that the Netbeans UI is (at least to my opinion) not anywhere near that level - so I don't care that it doesn't look like it's been created by a multi-million-dollar design agency.
But just as importantly, neither are those two aspects directly related. You may have designed the most beautiful UI of the century, with sparkles and rainbows and unicorns, but if it doesn't offer the functionality the user needs, it sucks. Period.
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Ok.
But people who are programmers, presumably this includes NetBeans programmers, do. By your own logic.
¬A⇒¬B doesn't imply A⇒B.That's a fucking lie and you know it.
Your claim that it's a fucking lie is a fucking lie, and telling me that I know something I don't know is another fucking lie.Have you ever once seen a program aimed at non-programmers that got font rendering wrong?
By wrong, you mean wrong DPI handling? All the time.Look, the only significance to NetBeans getting this wrong is: it's written by shitty programmers who have no fucking clue what they're doing.
FYI: most (all?) of NetBeans was written by Sun employees and Oracle employees, whose average competence and development processes are no different than any other corporation of similar size.
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I'm actually wondering what kind of keywords you would have to use to avoid finding the solution.
"eclipse open maven project" leads to all sorts of results for importing the project instead of just opening it. Do Eclipse users not understand what flash drives are?
