Marketing speak gone wild
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All-New 2017 Ford F-250 Super Duty Unveiling Presented by Ford – 21:25
— MotorTrend ChannelFord is really going nuts on the marketing this year, and I have it on good authority that this is fairly likely to be the first year that Chevroley outsells Ford for 43 years and that the CEO and a few others are likely to get canned if it happens.
Anyone care for a breakdown on all the BS that is in this unveiling?
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Well, it's aluminum...until then any 250/2500+ line of pickups was a GREAT option if you wanted something that didn't dent easily. My Chevrolet 2500 was hit by an F150 in a parking lot and didn't even pick up a scratch while the F150 was dang near totaled, good luck doing that with an aluminum body.
...have I ever said I hate aluminum bodies?
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2017? It isn't even 2016 yet.
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They are turning the hype machine up to 11. This has a very good chance of being the first time in a long time that Ford is not the best selling truck. Feces is about to hit the fan, and you heard it here first.
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Anyone care for a breakdown on all the BS that is in this unveiling?
You want someone to watch a 22 minute video and summarize it for you?
What are you paying for that service?
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Well, I was asking if anyone else cared to hear one. So, you got it right, but 180 degrees out of phase.
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Sorry, I can't watch that video, I have AdBlock enabled.
Filed under: Do you want to build a flameware?
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I'll stick to my pre-diesel-emissions Ram 2500.
Ford has successfully trashed the superduty line with successive awful engines, ever climbing MSRPs (you can easily spec one that has real estate level pricing) and generally making them less useful. They are, however, very luxurious.
The F150 also blows.
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I'll stick to my pre-diesel-emissions Ram 2500.
You don't like pouring urine in your engine?
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I don't even have a DPF. Fuck, I don't have a catalytic converter. Just engine to muffler to air.
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My first impression on seeing the thumbnail for that video: WTF, did Ford actually build The Homer?
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Wow, that's a big car. Why you need such a big... Right, fat asses.
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Well they gotta announce the cars early, they have to choose the "car of the year" by early January.
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Just engine to muffler to air.
So that explains the random solar eclipses....
Now I can reassure the spawn when the ground shakes and the sky grows dark...
"Is it the Apocolypse??"
"No, my children. Worse. It is Weng";)
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Hey, I bought it from the USAF like this.
Also, the truck is stereotypical chair force. They special ordered all the shiny chrome exterior trim but the interior is strictly poverty spec.
Apparently it was permanently assigned to a maintenance wing.
And the cassette deck was broken.
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...have I ever said I hate aluminum bodies?
One thing I forgot, Chevy/GMC are going to aluminum bodies in 2-3 years. All the truck companies basically have to in order to get their weight down to keep up with CAFE standards.
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Or make the trucks less obscenely oversized. My 2002 "big as it gets and then somebody put a flatbed on to make it bigger" Ram is dwarfed by newer model allegedly smaller trucks. The F150 now features tow ratings that you legally cannot use without a CDL and a payload rating you can't use without motor carrier insurance.
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Did I just see box section chassis and leaf springs? in a vehicle marked "All new for 2017"... Jeeze more like 1917.
Made like a Technics Lego truck.
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They have to build it like a commercial truck because they're speccing it like a commercial truck.
And then trying to fit it under CAFE. Because consumers are fucking morons.
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Yeah, I'm with @Weng here. I'll stick with my 2004 Duramax which is steel-bodied and pre-emissions and legal in 49 states. I don't even have a catalytic converter!
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Fuck the 50th state. Also fuck the douchebros who daily drive these things. They're vocational trucks.
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...Mine's a daily driver if I'm not on the bike. Before it, I had a '94 Silverado 1500 with a 4.3 gas engine. My current 2500HD which is 2,000+ pounds heavier and literally twice the horsepower actually gets 7 - 8 mpg better!
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"these things" being the $80k modern versions.
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Ah. You could buy a nice house for that price around here!
I actually saw gas trucks just as old for more expensive than my diesel which was one of my deciding factors. I didn't necessarily set out to buy a diesel but for the price why not?
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Diesel usually bottoms out around $10k no matter the condition. Gas will drop all the way to $0. Either you bought from a numpty or your gas truck market is insane.
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Hey, I bought it from the USAF like this.
We once had a visit from some Navy engineers from Philly...
They checked out a minivan from the motor pool... no radio, period.
Also, no switch for the dome light.They were laughing their tails off telling us about roaring around the DC beltway, one guy driving, one guy trying to read the map, and the third holding the door open to make the light come on.
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Yeah. My truck, for a vehicle with no miles on it (but plenty of hours) it got properly soldier-trashed on the inside.
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The F150 now features tow ratings that you legally cannot use without a CDL and a payload rating you can't use without motor carrier insurance.
Yeah...that's not true. You can haul a trailer over 10K pounds without a CDL being required. CDLs only come in to play when the GCVW is over 26K lbs. And that is only if you are not plated as a farm vehicle.
10K lb tag weights only come in to play for CDLs when your tag is over 10K and your GCVW is over 26K and then you require a Class A CDL. Even with their trailer rating of 12K lbs, the truck itself weighs ~5K lbs and that puts them well under the 26K lbs that would require a CDL.
Admittedly, Federal standards are the minimum and states are allowed to be more restrictive. I am not aware of any that go stricter than Federal standards for this portion of licensing requirements though and I have hauled or contracted hauling in 10-15 states. But, it is possible that your state is more restrictive.
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Maryland is 10k maximum towed period. Or so the DOT has told me. When I rolled through with a triple axle 50ft trailer (fortunately empty).
To bust 26000 you still have to buy a dually(any dually), but I'm almost certain that limitation is because of tires rather than the truck.
Bottom line is that they're overengineering to cater to a fictional market and need to overengineer even more to stay under emissions requirements because they refuse to sell reasonable pickup trucks.
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a fictional market
I am not sure you can say they are targeting a fictional market when they are selling the number 1 selling truck (including work/fleet trucks). I get that you prefer a different truck, but trying to invalidate the F Series just makes you seem overly biased.
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I'm actually talking about the entire truck market. Ford, Dodge, and GM. All are equally guilty, Ford is just more successful at it.
Vocational sales are one thing - they've virtually obliterated the medium duty vocational market by building 3/4 tons that are functionally 2 1/2 tons.
The big thing is that they're selling the exact same truck IN VOLUME to guys who go to Home Depot on the weekend.
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I interpreted that as meaning most of those big trucks go to people who never have need for them-- they're not healing heavy loads, they just commute on the freeways 30 minutes a day and cram into parking garages just like the common Prius.
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I'm actually talking about the entire truck market
mea culpa, I didn't understand what you meant.
they just commute on the freeways 30 minutes a day and cram into parking garages just like the common Prius
This is true; however, some of those people probably do need a truck at least part time.The big thing is that they're selling the exact same truck IN VOLUME to guys who go to Home Depot on the weekend.
But I guess, the fact that they are selling them was part of my point--people are choosing to purchase them.
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This is true; however, some of those people probably do need a truck at least part time.
It would be more economical for a lot of people to simply rent one when/if they needed one.
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Maryland is 10k maximum towed period. Or so the DOT has told me. When I rolled through with a triple axle 50ft trailer (fortunately empty).
Maryland is apparently 10K GCWR. And that is idiotic. Some duallies will get you over that. Maryland is a very special snowflake it seems...
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Most people who do need trucks often seem to have older models (often ex-commercial).
I know very few people who have gone in for the required $35k+ for an occasional use vehicle and even fewer who have forked over the bare minimum 50k you pay for the diesels.
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It would be more economical for a lot of people to simply rent one when/if they needed one.
Granted, but obviously, that is a function of how often you need one. Personally, I have survived thus far by borrowing friends trucks. However, the next vehicle I purchase will probably be one because I could use a truck much more often now.
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It's poorly worded on the DMV site. It's 10k GVW on the trailer, truck weight doesn't figure unless gcw hits 26k. If that's not right, even the cops enforcing it don't know it. Which would be fairly typical.
Nonetheless, special snowflakes.
And you can bust 10k trailer weight with an F150. No dually required.
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It's poorly worded on the DMV site. I
http://www.mdot.maryland.gov/Office of Maryland Motor Carrier Program/FAQ.html#Q5
If you are correct, and I have no reason to doubt you, that is beyond being poorly worded...
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The DMV being obtuse? Say it isn't so.
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And you can bust 10k trailer weight with an F150. No dually required.
Well, I rather meant that you can buy a dually that busts 10K before you put a load on it.
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It would be more economical for a lot of people to simply rent one when/if they needed one.
So? Freedom of choice and all that.
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Ah. That's registration, not licensing. They only applies to vehicles used in INTRASTATE commerce. If you drive it out of state you get to ignore that one.
I make it a point not to do any business at all in MD when I've got the truck because dickweeds.
Private noncommercial use is theoretically out of scope too, but again, dickweeds.
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But I guess, the fact that they are selling them was part of my point--people are choosing to purchase them.
FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS! You can't just trust people to figure out what they want.
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FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS! You can't just trust people to figure out what they want.
-- Posted from my iPhone
SJTFY
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FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS! You can't just trust people to figure out what they want.
Blakey's comment earlier reminds me of a conversation I had with my father a while back. He had just bought a King Ranch F350. I asked him, "What do you need a truck like that for? You don't ever haul anything or pull a trailer.". His reply, " I am 71 years old. If I want to buy a cowboy Cadillac, I will buy a cowboy Cadillac."
Good enough for me.
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My dad has a Toyota Tundra. Basically in the same size class (I don't know specifics as far as engine or whatever and don't really care). He bought this truck but his last company car was one of those.
I know that he does woodworking as a hobby a lot more now that he's retired. That's as close as I could come to justifying regularly needing something like a truck (though I live 2500 miles away from him, so who knows? but I'm pretty sure he drives his golf cart more than his truck these days).
It's got a pretty awesome engine and the back seat has more leg room than pretty much any other car I've ever been in, front or back seat. It's super comfortable. You climb up to get in, which I find easier, as do my parents, whose knees ain't what they used to be. Small cars like a Prius suck, IME. I have a Ford Fusion and it's as small as I can go without being uncomfortable, and honestly, that's kind of pushing it.
But like your dad, he seems pretty happy about it. I guess that will make some neo-Puritans unhappy, which is just another benefit from his and my perspectives.
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As long as you like it, that is what matters. I have driven them and found them not to be of my liking. My personal tastes don't need to become law though.
But, speaking of Fusions, it really would be more economical if @blakeyrat drove a Toyota Yaris and rented a Fusion when he needed one.