Spare any change?
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remember oracle?
they do java too.
java does ask toolbar.
java sucks.
sign up so that democracy can occur and you can be ignored
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The only thing more useless than web petitions is Oracle software.
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And X-Factor
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Do they bundle anything else with it as well? If you make the mistake of installing Ask, will they start giving you other software? Kinda like how Adobe will try to stick you with McAfee if you go to download Flash and already have Chrome installed.
Edit: Discourse, why do you give me a "Reading the Post" blue dot for a post that I wrote?
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because discourse
maybe start a change.org petition
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Edit: Discourse, why do you give me a "Reading the Post" blue dot for a post that I wrote?
Uh, you know that's just an animation, right?
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Java's an open standard, in theory, someone else could develop another java runtime that worked just as well and didn't have update spam and nasty software bundling. But alas, there's not.
And X-Factor
Is that a new HTTP header?
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They could, they could call it "Android". But then Oracle would sue them.
Adobe's PDF is "open source" in a similar way.
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Yes, I just thought it was a bit odd that I get it for posts I'm writing since my impression was that it indicated the "baking in" of posts I'm supposed to be reading.
Mind you this is an Internet forum so reading what you write probably comes just behind reading what others have written before commenting on it in the list of things people don't necessarily do.
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Java's an open standard, in theory, someone else could develop another java runtime that worked just as well and didn't have update spam and nasty software bundling. But alas, there's not.
RaceProUK:
And X-FactorIs that a new HTTP header?
lucky linux users can do it today
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Java's an open standard, in theory, someone else could develop another java runtime that worked just as well and didn't have update spam and nasty software bundling. But alas, there's not.
Didn't install
SunOracle Java in years.No idea why there's no versions for other platforms.
Also, Hanzo'd while typing... do I click cancel? Naaah!
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Is that a new HTTP header?
No, it's a TV show that Simon Cowell uses to 'cut the cultural throat of the nation and drink its still warm blood'.[size=8]I took that quote from an episode of Mock The Week; can't remember who said it though[/size]
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Java's an open standard, in theory, someone else could develop another java runtime that worked just as well and didn't have update spam and nasty software bundling. But alas, there's not.
http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main_Page
How do I make Discourse not one-box one link in a list of several?
Not vouching for any of these.
Adobe's PDF is "open source" in a similar way.
Dammit Discourse! Stop sucking!
Also not vouching for any of these, although I do use Okular.
EDIT: Hanzo'd twice! Fuck it, I listed some extras and nobody else mentioned PDF software so I'll keep it.
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Do they bundle anything else with it as well?
I think there was a period last year when they had some other malware bundled.
If you're willing to do extra work you can manually download the offline installer, which doesn't offer the Ask malware.
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http://openjdk.java.net/
http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main_Page
There is just one little tiny itty bitty problem with those: none of them even has a Windows port. That kind of makes it hard for the average user to install. And that's before getting into whether they include a proper classpath library, a browser plugin and a simple installer.
To replace Oracle-java, a product has to work just like Oracle-java, on Windows. AFAIK there is no available software package that does that.
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It's only "open source" if you're smaller than Microsoft.
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none of them even has a Windows port
Why am I not surprised?
hard for the average user to install
The average user is going to google "java download" and get Oracle's version, regardless of what else exists. Nothing is ever going to be easy compared to that.
proper classpath library
From what I last read years ago, parts of the standard library were patent encumbered. I don't know if that ever got resolved. OpenJDK is supposed to be the reference implementation, so I buttume it is fairly complete.
and a browser plugin
I wish people would stop using that. It's handy for Runescape but it's so easily abused, there seems to be a new vulnerability every week.
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they include a proper classpath library
Yes (openJDK)
a browser plugin
Yes (for me IcedTea gets loaded, not sure if it got installed along with OpenJDK or a browser, see below)
a simple installer
In any package manager imaginable. Well, ok, ones I tried, but I don't see an excuse not to have it, so I'll buttume it's in every one.
none of them even has a Windows port
I don't understand this one tbqh. Why the fuck there isn't one, that is.
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http://openjdk.java.net/
Didn't install SunOracle Java in years.
Meh...nothing I need seems to work with that. I use the PPA that dude set up and I don't have to worry about keeping it up to date than anything else on my system.
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Meh...nothing I need seems to work with that.
Possible. I don't use any enterprise-y Java apps, but for Java stuff I have to occasionally run it works fine. Sometimes even when the devs claim it absolutely needs sun-java. YMMV I guess.
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I don't use any enterprise-y Java apps
That's the only reason to use java. I guess some people play Minecraft.
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I don't use any enterprise-y Java apps, but for Java stuff I have to occasionally run it works fine.
I'm so happy that I never use Java apps that force this on me.
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But alas, there's not.
We package our software with builds of (the JRE part of) OpenJDK 7 on Windows, OSX and Linux. It works pretty well, even for fairly advanced GUIs, and it completely lacks the browser plugin ( ). I ought to look into switching to 8, but 7 is where we're at right now (having moved on from Java 4 before that). There are a few bugs in it, but they're mostly minor and trivial to work around. If you're writing non-GUI apps, OpenJDK 7 is a really good Java implementation, perhaps better than the Oracle version.
OpenJDK 6 is abysmal. Avoid.
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From what I last read years ago, parts of the standard library were patent encumbered. I don't know if that ever got resolved. OpenJDK is supposed to be the reference implementation, so I buttume it is fairly complete.
IcedTea replaced the binary plugs in OpenJDK with code from GNU Classpath...so I suspect that they could deal with/have dealt with any patent encumberance issues in a similar fashion, unless the Java standards themselves are mandating patented algorithms...
Filed under: I hope that this is mooted soon...
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They bundle the Ask toolbar? Weird, I never see it.
Oh wait, that's probably because I know where to find the Ask-free installer on Oracle's site.
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Literally the first reason never to use Java. You will subject your poor end users to garbage from the getgo. (The installer)
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Uh, you know that's just an animation, right?
It's a real indicator; I've seen it stay blue for minutes at a time while Discourse was Discoursethinking about whether it should mark the post read or not. I even went back and forth between the topic list and the post several times, and each time both the blue post dot or the gray (1) indicator on the thread were there.
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It also freezes in a half disappeared state when one of your housemates is torrenting something massive and the communal WiFi has shit itself.
Really need to set up my own WAP again so that I didn't cut all those holes in the wall and pull that cable for nothing...
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It was deliberately set that low as a half-joke. (Full joke would have been 1 day...)
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Setting it to 7 hours would've been amusing. I might have an odd sense of humour…
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Setting it to 7 hours would've been amusing. I might have an odd sense of humour…
Why stop there? Let's go with 7
minutesseconds!
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7hrs = 0.292 days.
I'm sure that thing will totally take fractional values.
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I bet it DiscoRounds it to 0 and disables it.
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By disables, you mean shows the toaster every time we post, right?
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Likely even on brand new topics you are trying to start, and possibly even popping it when you read the home screen.
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@Intercourse said:
Likely even on brand new topics you are trying to start, and possibly even popping it when you read the home screen.
And on other sites, to be helpful. And when you're not browsing. And in your games. And in your dev environment.
And sometimes, you'll wake up after a good night's sleep, and see Jeff with a pillow in his hand, asking you:
"The last time you were awake is now 12 hours ago. Are you sure you want to continue this old, miserable life?"
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And sometimes, you'll wake up after a good night's sleep, and see Jeff with a pillow in his hand, asking you:
"The last time you were awake is now 12 hours ago. Are you sure you want to continue this old, miserable life?"
Just think of him as a humanoid version of a paper clip… <necro!!!!
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Suicide by pastry? TDEMSYR…
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RIP Terry