Vote of No Confidence
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A reward would be something new and extra. That's not what "liking" gets you.
That is exactly what fully participating in this community gets you. Moreover, the criteria for being considered a full participant are clearly defined1 and well known to all involved, and easily achievable2 by anyone who cares to try.
Instead, you lose access to things you already had. That's a punishment, in my book. And I don't know why folks think that's ok.
If for whatever reason you no longer meet the criteria for the reward, then you no longer receive the reward. I don't know why anyone thinks that's not ok. In the case of Discourse, there are some implementation details that are arguably not ok, like losing access to conversations that you started, or rescinding the reward without notice. However, flawed implementation does not mean the principle is bad.1Some of the criteria are based on recent forum activity, and the required level of user participation changes as the forum activity fluctuates. A few participants, such as @Arantor, have been adversely affected by these changes, but these criteria are not relevant to the discussion of @blakeyrat's issue; his participation easily exceeds these criteria.
2Currently. As the forum grows, so will the time commitment required to meet the minimum number of posts and topics to read. At some point it may become necessary to adjust the required participation levels.
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He did not "lose" access. He took an active decision to drop the access.
He lost access due to a rule change. He took and active decision to not regain the access.
This has possibly been pointed out already; there a bit over 50 posts I haven't read yet, but I'll post it anyway.
Filed under: Doing It Wrong™
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Who is the "game master"? Why does he/she/it exist? Why are they more important? Why are the actual users of a simple discussion forum subject to the whims of some shadowy "master"? Why is their word law?
The (
toaster; I'll write as many individual replies as I choose) forum owner/admins/mods are legitimate "game masters" to varying degrees. Are you saying the forum owner's word shouldn't be law on his own forum? (Granted, it shouldn't be arbitrary or capricious, and should be applied fairly.)The software's author(s) also has a certain degree of "game master" role, as he/they decide what features the software will or will not support. Arguably, discodevs have too large a role, as some features that reasonably should be configurable by the forum owner and/or admins are hard-coded according to the discodevs' whim (like Belgium toasters).
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Also, @themanwhosaysanus is suspended
One wonders why a 10-month suspension was given to a user whose profile says he was last seen in August, the day after he joined. ISTM that it's highly unlikely he'll return after his suspension expires; just drop the a-hole.
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Both XenForo and IP.BoardToxic hellstew forums1 have Likes; they don't really count towards anything though1Fora
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Nothing changed in my behavior between when I was "ok" for TL3 and when I was not.
If nothing in Enron's behavior changed after SOX was passed, would it still be ok? (Not that your behavior is in any way comparable to Enron's, but the rules were changed by another party in both cases. In one case, behavior that was previously legal is now penalized (literally); in the other, behavior that was previously rewarded now receives no reward.)
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I just don't understand why everyone can't just be given access to the whole program.
So everyone should be an admin?
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@KillaCoder said:
I just don't understand why everyone can't just be given access to the whole program.
So everyone should be an admin?
Oh come on, you know that's not what I mean...
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Do you guys ask the people driving and then just place a sign?
According to some studies, traffic safety is best served by making the limit the near the average actual speed of traffic, so in theory the answer to your question should be yes. However, there is a disincentive to doing this, as it also minimizes revenue from traffic fines.
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There would also be a massive problem with announcing it was being done on an existing road, as all the speed demons could speed along the road to distort the results
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What are we playing?
I'm playing "Jaloopa is bored at work and
ing anything and everything". Not sure about you
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So meh. I am still confused as to how much influence you have on random Street signs...
Approximately 0%.
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I moved 4 goalposts to a new topic: Moving stuff over the goal posts
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just drop the a-hole.
i see what you did there.
whether it was intentional or not, on the other hand...
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Thanks, that was/is my understanding as well.
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intentional or not
Yes. I might or might not have used that term otherwise, but I did notice its specific suitability in this case, and made a conscious decision to use it.
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Because apparently some people don't get the concept, I'll now explicitly post my approval of the above post. It made me chuckle for a few seconds but I'll have probably forgot about it in a few minutes. Don't worry though because these few seconds are part of why I'll load a new topic after I finished reading this.
Personally, I enjoyed reading this expression of approval and the sentiment it conveyed. I wonder if we could agree on some kind of notational shorthand for the endorsement of the posts of others...
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As a kid, my brother and I used to play Monopoly to the extent that we created hyper-inflation in it.
You know what, balls to this discussion about what forum software should or shouldn't allow. I want to know more about 1930's-Germany-Monopoly.
Filed under: what the _fuck_ is this shit? And why the _fuck_ won't it stay gone after I close it for the _(n + 1)_th time?
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Filed under: what the fuck is this shit? And why the fuck won't it stay gone after I close it for the (n + 1)th time?
The what are notifications and why does Discourse have them/want to use them thread is:
Hell if I remember
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And why the fuck won't it stay gone after I close it for the (n + 1)th time?
Probably because x ~= no decision ~= block this time but ask again. If you click block, it should stay blocked.
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Is this new behavior? I don't recall seeing it before:
Discourse is not keeping Latest sorted (never has, without a refresh — either explicit by the user, or some obscure internal decision that it needs (or doesn't) to fetch fresh data when the user navigates back to it), but is updating the Discotimestamp column. I don't think it's done that in the past.
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Because apparently some people don't get the concept, I'll now explicitly post my approval of the above post. It made me chuckle for a few seconds but I'll have probably forgot about it in a few minutes. Don't worry though because these few seconds are part of why I'll load a new topic after I finished reading this.
I'd like to publicly acknowledge your appreciation of my post, and thank you for your contribution to my sense of self-worth.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said:
He took an active decision to drop the access.
No I did not.
Yes you did. You took an active and vocal decision to not change your behaviour in response to the new rules. You're
a reasonably smart puppynot insane1, and so you must have been aware of the consequences of this decision.1At least, you sometimes come across as not being insane.
Also, I think you put waay too much value on your own posts.
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I would like to take the time to
inflate my post count artificiallyexpress my hearty approval of this post. In fact, I may write some code to override the Like button to autopost boilerplate similar to the hearty approval I've just now expressed. I welcome ideas for naming this feature.
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Why thank you! Just to show my appreciation of your appreciation I will further commemorate your comment by top-posting this!
As for your truly innovative feature, might I suggest any of the the names:
- "Me too"
- "+1"
- " "
- "ACK"
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I would like to take the time to
inflate my post count artificiallyexpress my hearty approval of this post. In fact, I may write some code to override the Like button to autopost boilerplate similar to the hearty approval I've just now expressed. I welcome ideas for naming this feature.
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The Like button wouldn't do justice for your wonderful post, sir, so allow me to say:
A+++ would approve again
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Thanks!
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Any time! And I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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And I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Just when we have this nice call-and-answer routine going, did you have to ruin it by confusing the bejesus out of me?
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Just when we have this nice call-and-answer routine going, did you have to ruin it by confusing the bejesus out of me?
My first impulse was to like your post, but I really need to stop enabling such gamification.
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Couldn't you just take your talk to the
LikesAPPRECIATION thread?
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INB4:
@blakeyrat said:STOP POSTING THIS BULLSHIT IN MY THREADS
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Nah. I am sticking to an old Usenet tradition of ignoring everything anyone asks of me.
I am not changing my behaviour just because some snot-nosed internet-youngster is trying to change the rules. I will not succumb to his gamification of this forum.
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You took an active and vocal decision to not change your behaviour in response to the new rules.
Yes but that's not doing something. That's the opposite of doing something: doing nothing.
That's what drives me so insane.
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Freewill Rush Lyrics – [01:09..05:26] 05:26
— Jels95
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
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My like is for the song; I do love a bit of Rush
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The logical fallacies of that reasoning have, I believe, been pointed out upthreads.
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Sorry I don't go for that Orwellian double-think stuff where big is small and nothing is something, black is white, etc.
Better song:
'Weird Al' Yankovic - Everything You Know Is Wrong – 04:19
— 97Lordflash
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Why thank you! Just to show my appreciation of your appreciation I will further commemorate your comment by top-posting this!
As for your truly innovative feature, might I suggest any of the the names:
- "Me too"
- "+1"
- " "
- "ACK"
?
Needs more poll.
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Wasn't available when I started posting on the internet, and I'll be belgiumed if I am going to change my behaviour just to gamify my posts.
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I'll be damned if I am going to change my behaviour just to gamify my posts.
Now you're Belgiumed. This statement has become a bit of a meme, and is it's own bit of gamifaction now. What are you going to do?
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Liked for the song, not the opinion it was supposed to illustrate or parody or whatever your point was in posting it.
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Ta. Fixed.
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Freewill Rush Lyrics
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
But... I am starting a fund to buy you a one-way ticket to Antwerp via the Great White North for that song.
Filed under: I had to live through that c*** once... and that was enough. Waves
(Also, yea Discourse, +1 vote of no confidence... manually re-adding emojii to quotes!!)
Hmm I guess I am making a bunch of points and I could boost my post count by separating them, but... "I will not allow gamifivication.."
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But... I am starting a fund to buy you a one-way ticket to Antwerp via the Great White North for that song.
Changing at Amsterdam or Brussels?
