Moderator Thread: Revisited #2



  • @Jeff S said:

    that it's simply a sad, tired, immature, boring, unfunny desperate plea for attention.
     

    I agree. That is exactly what a moderator acting this way is.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Jeff S said:

    that it's simply a sad, tired, immature, boring, unfunny desperate plea for attention.
     

    I agree. That is exactly what a moderator acting this way is.

     

    Hi MPS -- I hate to be pedantic, but you must learn how to quote properly.  You messed up a little and only quoted the last snippet out my post, not even a complete  sentence, which of course makes any context impossible to ascertain. 

    It's great that you agree with what I wrote, but there are some people who will hold the "junior mini-moderator", who diligently reports and/or publicly criticizes improper quoting, to a higher standard when it comes to their forum skills.  If you need help with quoting, just let me know, we can go over some exercises off-line. 

    Thanks again for your agreement and support.   



  •  Jeff,

    As many people (myself included) have pointed out.  One of MPSes biggest flaws is his innability to let things go.  He has to have the last word; the "Reply" button is his greatest weakness.  After careful review of this thread, I have determined that you are starting to suffer from the same condition.  I'll give you some leeway here since this entire thread is about you and there has been numerous personal insults thrown at you.  However, I want you to know that MPS and morbiuswilter's flaming in this thread is obvious to everyone here.  No need to bring yourself to their level, it makes you look just as bad as them.



  • @tster said:

     Jeff,

    As many people (myself included) have pointed out.  One of MPSes biggest flaws is his innability to let things go.  He has to have the last word; the "Reply" button is his greatest weakness.  After careful review of this thread, I have determined that you are starting to suffer from the same condition.  I'll give you some leeway here since this entire thread is about you and there has been numerous personal insults thrown at you.  However, I want you to know that MPS and morbiuswilter's flaming in this thread is obvious to everyone here.  No need to bring yourself to their level, it makes you look just as bad as them.

     

    Great point tster ... time for me to let it go. I indeed am suffering from their "always hit reply" condition (well stated) and need to let them get their final digs in.

    Thanks again!



  • @tster said:

    However, I want you to know that MPS and morbiuswilter's flaming in this thread is obvious to everyone here.  No need to bring yourself to their level, it makes you look just as bad as them.

    Have you actually read anything I wrote in this thread?  The few personal insults I used against Jeff were because he was deleting my posts in other threads for absolutely no reason.  These weren't pointless flames or anything else, they were corrections or requests for clarification that for some reason Jeff didn't think I should be making.  I never got an email when they were deleted and had to go back and re-create the ones I could remember.  What other response to this fascistic little man-child would you expect?



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @tster said:

    However, I want you to know that MPS and morbiuswilter's flaming in this thread is obvious to everyone here.  No need to bring yourself to their level, it makes you look just as bad as them.

    Have you actually read anything I wrote in this thread?  The few personal insults I used against Jeff were because he was deleting my posts in other threads for absolutely no reason.

     

    Yes, I read this incredibly long thread twice actually.  Once for the first time, and twice to find if someone accused Jeff of deleting posts in this thread (I didn't find anyone that did).  However, I would not classify the number of personal insults you used against Jeff in this thread "few."  I would say there were a plethora.   A plethora of pinatas perhaps.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @dhromed said:

    I strongly encourage anyone who finds himself on the hot end of his shtick to see it in this amusment-light, instead of taking personal offense.
     

    Which is often how it is intended. I am not sure how we ended up with little babies on this forum who cry about it.

    That would be (largely) your own doing. Lacking Morbius's penmanship, your comments often come across as cheap shots.This is ill-appreciated by most, as you can hopefully understand.



  • @Jeff S said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    See, that is the thing though, he didn't use sarcasm tags, because he means it.
     

    You know whats funny? I just realized something.  I have suceeded! All you kids are doing the last few days is running around creating tags, flaming me, trolling on about me, talking about me on IRC, making jokes about me, devoting entire threads to me, obsessing about did I delete your post, and so on .... I actually did control your thoughts.   Keep it going!  Let me continue to be the point of your obsession.  Why not? I'll be laughing harder than anyone else! 

     

     

     

    Goddamn. Lysis, is that you? 

     

    Edit: sorry if someone's already made this point. Also, sorry for a knee-jerk post. 



  • @Yorick said:

    Goddamn. Lysis, is that you? 

     

    Edit: sorry if someone's already made this point. Also, sorry for a knee-jerk post.

    I LOL'd.  Hard. 



  • @Yorick said:

    Goddamn. Lysis, is that you? 

    I rofl'ed



  • @Jeff S said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Jeff S said:

    "...that it's simply a sad, tired, immature, boring, unfunny desperate plea for attention." -Jeff S
     

    I agree. That is exactly what a moderator acting this way is.

     

    Hi MPS -- I hate to be pedantic, but you must learn how to quote properly.  You messed up a little and only quoted the last snippet out my post, not even a complete  sentence, which of course makes any context impossible to ascertain. 

    It's great that you agree with what I wrote, but there are some people who will hold the "junior mini-moderator", who diligently reports and/or publicly criticizes improper quoting, to a higher standard when it comes to their forum skills.  If you need help with quoting, just let me know, we can go over some exercises off-line. 

    Thanks again for your agreement and support.   

      Does that make you feel better, Jeff? You are now exactly what MPS used to be - a selfish, arrogant idiot whose only purpose for posting is for the LULZ.

    If you are going to try to make MPS and morb feel like idiots, you had better try at least as hard as they do.



  • @Doctor Steel said:

    Does that make you feel better, Jeff? You are now exactly what MPS used to be...

    Ha, he wishes.  MPS actually made people laugh and think. 



  •  What ever happened to "Don't moderate in the same topic as you post", ammoQ once wrote this was a golden rule for moderators. Well i guess we can see what happens when you don't follow that rule.

     Really jeff S, i'm not sure what your thinking, but to me it looks like you are really acting like a dick.



  • @stratos said:

    What ever happened to "Don't moderate in the same topic as you post", ammoQ once wrote this was a golden rule for moderators.

    Comparing ammoQ to Jeff is always going to be unfair, like comparing the best blowjob ever to a slow, agonizing death from intestinal parasites. 



  • @stratos said:

     What ever happened to "Don't moderate in the same topic as you post", ammoQ once wrote this was a golden rule for moderators. Well i guess we can see what happens when you don't follow that rule.

     Really jeff S, i'm not sure what your thinking, but to me it looks like you are really acting like a dick.

     

    Does a moderator who deletes off-topic, vulgar personal insults aimed at him after posting "guys, let's not flame and let's keep on topic" in a thread violate this rule?  If so, then I suppose I am guilty.  Otherwise, I am in the clear and that's a great rule, thank you for bringing that up.



  • @Doctor Steel said:

    You are now exactly what MPS used to be - a selfish, arrogant idiot whose only purpose for posting is for the LULZ.
     

    Thanks for you feedback. While the purpose of all my posts have clearly simply been to defend myself, you have a point to some extent.  I played around a little with (morbius's?) "you can't control my mind" statement, and gave MPS a hard time about his little mini-moderator role and his "quote-nazi" stuff, but in retrospect it was probably a bad decision on my part to try to have at least a little fun with all this nonsense.




  • @Jeff S said:

    I played around a little with (morbius's?) "you can't control my mind" statement...

    It was "control the thoughts of others" and it was referring to people I am trying to communicate with.  See, the liberal tradition of our country teaches us that when an individual tries to restrict your access to the opinion of someone else that it is wrong.  Any person who believes himself capable of deciding what is right for other people to read suffers from pathetic self-delusion.  You yourself even admit you were wrong in deleting at least one of my posts.  I'm not interested in carrying this petty little argument along, but I also refuse to let you rephrase what you did in an attempt to make me look foolish.  If you don't think there is something deeply troubling about a moderator who would silence legitimate opinions, I feel very sorry for you. 



  • However much of an asshole myself or morbiuswilters is/are we don't give it to anybody who doesn't deserve it.

    "I only hit women who were asking for it."

    There, see how that sounds? Whether you admit it or not, you are abusive.

    I'm certain you'll call me names, among them a drama queen for comparing spousal abuse to "mere words." Yet those mere words always seem to impel you two to reply, as if you just can't help yourselves.

    Of course domestic abuse isn't the same as flaming users on an Internet forum. But you're still abusive. And most people here don't find it acceptable.

    You think it's because we're babies. We think it's because productive discussion is a better use of our time. Like most abusers, you mistake civility for weakness.

    I think the day you understand that is the day you'll be welcome back.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @Jeff S said:

    I played around a little with (morbius's?) "you can't control my mind" statement...

    It was "control the thoughts of others" and it was referring to people I am trying to communicate with.  See, the liberal tradition of our country teaches us that when an individual tries to restrict your access to the opinion of someone else that it is wrong.  Any person who believes himself capable of deciding what is right for other people to read suffers from pathetic self-delusion.  You yourself even admit you were wrong in deleting at least one of my posts.  I'm not interested in carrying this petty little argument along, but I also refuse to let you rephrase what you did in an attempt to make me look foolish.  If you don't think there is something deeply troubling about a moderator who would silence legitimate opinions, I feel very sorry for you. 

     

    Geez, now you are trolling me in this very thread?  I just friggin said I was playing around.  Get over it, will you? Will this never end?  How many times to I have to offer to discuss anything you want to resolve openly and honestly between us off-line (so we can stop annoying everyone else here) until you actually do so?  You keep refusing my request for a quick, honest, open private dialog, yet you keep fanning the flames every chance you get in this thread when none of these posts are even addressed to you.  And instead of discussing or acknolwedging my apology with any intention of resolving things, you just throw it back in my face as yet another insult at me.  



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    It was "control the thoughts of others" and it was referring to people I am trying to communicate with.  See, the liberal tradition of our country teaches us that when an individual tries to restrict your access to the opinion of someone else that it is wrong.  Any person who believes himself capable of deciding what is right for other people to read suffers from pathetic self-delusion.
    Morb, you are not guaranteed freedom of speech posting on other people's sites. None of us are. Surely you knew this coming in. Besides having some IRC experience I'm sure you know arguing with a mod is unlikely to end well. Why don't you use your free time for something more fun/creative/profitable?



  • @VGR said:

    "I only hit women who were asking for it."

    There, see how that sounds? Whether you admit it or not, you are abusive.

    I'm certain you'll call me names, among them a drama queen for comparing spousal abuse to "mere words." Yet those mere words always seem to impel you two to reply, as if you just can't help yourselves.

    Of course domestic abuse isn't the same as flaming users on an Internet forum. But you're still abusive. And most people here don't find it acceptable.

    You think it's because we're babies. We think it's because productive discussion is a better use of our time. Like most abusers, you mistake civility for weakness.

    I think the day you understand that is the day you'll be welcome back.

     

    Holy Mother of  God... nice analogy you chose to get your point across... (yes it is sarcasm)..

    And I think you are mistaking civility for having a stick up the ass. And yes I think you are way too sensitive and a bit of drama queen, But then again, I might be wrong, so please forgive me if I hurt anyone feelings.

     



  • @DOA said:

    Morb, you are not guaranteed freedom of speech posting on other people's sites. None of us are. Surely you knew this coming in. Besides having some IRC experience I'm sure you know arguing with a mod is unlikely to end well. Why don't you use your free time for something more fun/creative/profitable?

    My free time is plenty profitable, thank you very much.  I know I'm not guaranteed free speech, but I'm also unwilling to participate in a site that does not practice it.  They can ban me if they like, but I'm going to make damn sure they -- and everyone else -- have to confront the reality of what they are asking for.  We've been through this once with an IRC channel and the censors won.  They banned most of us and we left and formed our own channel.  Now nobody talks in the old channel because it is nothing but a boring husk.  Our channel is vibrant and active.  Silencing those you disagree with is not the way to accomplish your goals. 



  • @Jeff S said:

    Geez, now you are trolling me in this very thread?

    I am leveling legitimate criticisms at you in a thread that was created specifically for that purpose after you locked the other thread that was also created specifically for that purpose.

     

    @Jeff S said:

    I just friggin said I was playing around.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't an excuse for piss-poor moderation.

     

    @Jeff S said:

    How many times to I have to offer to discuss anything you want to resolve openly and honestly between us off-line (so we can stop annoying everyone else here) until you actually do so?  You keep refusing my request for a quick, honest, open private dialog, yet you keep fanning the flames every chance you get in this thread when none of these posts are even addressed to you.

    You offered nothing.  You sent me on PM asking me if I wanted to discuss this off-line and asking me if I really lived in Cambridge, MA.  I told you I felt there was nothing to discuss and that, indeed, I did live there.  You replied with a (boring) series of veiled threats and quasi-apologies.  You told me I was on probation.  To me this does not qualify as constructive in any way.  In my opinion, anything you have to say to me can be said in public.  You are the one who seems afraid of discussing this with the rest of the community, lest more people disagree with you.  You can say that I am trolling you all you want, you can lock this thread so that I can't respond further, you can get Alex to ban me for disrespecting a supposed authoritive figure.  However, you are not succeeding at convincing me (and many others, I might add) that you are acting in a level-headed and reasonable manner.  That is all.

     

    EDIT:  Oh, fuck it, here is the full transcript of every PM I have received from Jeff: http://pastebin.com/m772cb204 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    You can say that I am trolling you all you want, you can lock this thread so that I can't respond further, you can get Alex to ban me for disrespecting a supposed authoritive figure. 

    OK.   But it has nothing to do with disrespecting a "supposed authoritve figure". It has to do with disrepecting everyone here in this forum.

     

     



  • @Jeff S said:

    It has to do with disrepecting everyone here in this forum.

    I take offense at that.  I respect a great deal of people here and at least one who is no longer.  Additionally, I have tried to help many people who seek to improve their knowledge by asking questions.  Yes, I attack people.  I attack those who seek to turn this forum into a political soapbox, I attack those who make Slashdot-esque comments on various technologies without knowing the background and I attack those who don't have the decency to provide support for their arguments or flamebait comments.  My goal has always been to preserve the high quality of this forum and not to lower the bar for anyone.  I am encouraging of new users, so long as they don't come in and post ill-informed nonsense.  I want this community to grow, but I am not willing to sacrifice what makes it a worthwhile community to begin with.



  •  As Alex has closed the banned thread, and there isn't much point to this one, I'velocked both of them for now. If people want them reopened, hitme up on IRC or send me a PM, and I'll reopen


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