Moderator Thread: Revisited #2



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    How does a group 'overrun' a forum?

     

    Now that is an easy question to answer.  Look around!



  • @Jeff S said:

    I like this picture of me as a random guy coming in here and just randomly deleting posts!  Kinda cool, like a cowboy or something I guess trying to "clean up this town", but unfortunately nowhere near the case.

     



    Considering that posts weren't getting deleted anywhere near as obtrusively before you decided to show up, this would appear the case.  Also, the fact that you've had no presence on this board for a year (judging by your post history) reinforces the "random guy" feeling.


  • @Jeff S said:

    there were quite a few deleted, and I did not delete anything in that thread. 
     

    Prove it. There is no reason a moderator would hide after deleting a post.

    @Jeff S said:

    The only threads I deleted without hestitation the last 2 days were the off-topic personal attacks directed at me that had nothing to do with the original threads.

    So you didn't lock the last thread about you after getting your last word in and then unlock it when people called you on it? Is that another thing you are going to continue to lie about?

    @Jeff S said:

    I like this picture of me as a random guy coming in here and just randomly deleting posts!  Kinda cool, like a cowboy or something I guess trying to "clean up this town", but unfortunately nowhere near the case.

    I like how we all see the evidence of it, and you cannot prove to the contrary.

    @Jeff S said:

    but that was deemed unnacceptable by the mafia if I recall.

    Again with the IRC channel... I don't understand what you don't understand about the channel.

    Do you think you are exposing some dirty little secret? The kind that is in my signature, and is in HUGE red font in morbius' signature? 

    If anyone is interested in seeing what the channel is about, feel free to join.Not sure what kind of propaganda you are aiming at here, but people will make their own decisions, I am not worried.

    @Jeff S said:

    And that's when I decided simply deleting posts from those that have proven to be the worst offenders as opposed to locking threads so that hopefully the thread could continue.  

    That is not true at all. You started deleting first.

    @Jeff S said:

    It turns out I distracted the trolls and they attacked me over and over, and lots of threads were left alone.

    I have not seen any increase or decrease in forum activity outside of this thread. Where are you seeing this?

    @Jeff S said:

    I'll consider that a victory at the expense of the many personal insults thrown at me.

    You are crying for being insulted based on being insulted for your actions on the forum? Morbius may have been right about the psychological problems...



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Perhaps you should be honest about the timeline as well. You started deleting posts way before saying anything to anyone. And you started by not using any kind of notification. It is only when people objected that you started notifying.

     

    Sure! The very first post I deleted in a while was from bstorer: a direct, off-topic insult about my mother, in response to a plea to stop the trolling on a thread.

    I deleted it (or it was posted, about the same probably) at Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:50 PM.

    Of course, the post deleted was in response to my post on the forum asking people to stop trolling and go outside and get some fresh air.

    So, let's review:

    1) I make the plea to stop trolling

    2) My mother gets directly insulted on an off-topic forum post

    3) I delete the off-topic mother insult

    4) All hell breaks loose because I am a facist-nazi-moderator-troll.

    Any questions?

    UPDATE: I should clarify - the post was deleted not specificalyl because it was an insult about my mother, but because it was completely off-topic and threatening to derail the thread.  A clear-cut example, as MPS will tell you, of a post that requires moderation.



  • @Jeff S said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    How does a group 'overrun' a forum?

     

    Now that is an easy question to answer.  Look around!

     

    What are we looking for? People who enjoy themselves?

    Active posters?



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Jeff S said:

    The only threads I deleted without hestitation the last 2 days were the off-topic personal attacks directed at me that had nothing to do with the original threads.

    So you didn't lock the last thread about you after getting your last word in and then unlock it when people called you on it? Is that another thing you are going to continue to lie about?

     

    What part of "delete" did you not understand?   And what thread did I lock and then "unlock" after getting called on it? 



  • @Jeff S said:

    1) I make the plea to stop trolling

    2) My mother gets directly insulted on an off-topic forum post

    3) I delete the off-topic mother insult

    4) All hell breaks loose because I am a facist-nazi-moderator-troll.

    This is called a conflict of interest. In a situation where you (as a member) are being insulted, you should not start acting like you (as a moderator) to fix it. This is where you get the other moderator you keep talking about to look at it by flagging it as abuse. That is how responsible people in positions of authority act in that kind of situation.


  • @Jeff S said:

    Of course, the post deleted was in response to my post on the forum asking people to stop trolling and go outside and get some fresh air.
     

    At what point did you identify yourself as a mod and not just another retard poster who cries about trolling in every single thread?

    You do realize there is another member with the name JeffS right? How would anyone know that the 'plea' was from someone who was asking seriously?

    @Jeff S said:

    threatening to derail the thread. 

    Like you did in the conservation thread you mean?

    @Jeff S said:

    A clear-cut example, as MPS will tell you, of a post that requires moderation.

    You can tell the lie all you want, but I have never said that.



  • @Welbog said:

    @Jeff S said:
    1) I make the plea to stop trolling

    2) My mother gets directly insulted on an off-topic forum post

    3) I delete the off-topic mother insult

    4) All hell breaks loose because I am a facist-nazi-moderator-troll.

    This is called a conflict of interest. In a situation where you (as a member) are being insulted, you should not start acting like you (as a moderator) to fix it. This is where you get the other moderator you keep talking about to look at it by flagging it as abuse. That is how responsible people in positions of authority act in that kind of situation.
     

    Great point!  You may have missed the update I posted:

    UPDATE: I should clarify - the post was deleted not specificalyl because it was an insult about my mother, but because it was completely off-topic and threatening to derail the thread.  A clear-cut example, as MPS will tell you, of a post that requires moderation.

    Sorry for the late edit.

     



  • @Jeff S said:

    What part of "delete" did you not understand? 
     

    I had to get you to answer somehow, I have asked several other times now.

    @Jeff S said:

    And what thread did I lock and then "unlock" after getting called on it? 

    This one: http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/9582.aspx



  • @Jeff S said:

    Great point!  You may have missed the update I posted:

    UPDATE: I should clarify - the post was deleted not specificalyl because it was an insult about my mother, but because it was completely off-topic and threatening to derail the thread.  A clear-cut example, as MPS will tell you, of a post that requires moderation.

    Sorry for the late edit.

     

    It appears that you still don't understand what Welbog is saying.

    Ask ammoQ about how a mod should act in that situation. He sure has handled it well in all the threads he was personally involved in.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Jeff S said:

    What part of "delete" did you not understand? 
     

    I had to get you to answer somehow, I have asked several other times now.

     

    Ah, you tricked me! Damn, that was clever .....

    Anyway, where did you ask me if I locked the thread directly and I refused to answer?  If I did, I apologize, but please, point it out to me.@MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Jeff S said:

    And what thread did I lock and then "unlock" after getting called on it? 

    This one: http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/9582.aspx

    Hmm.  Seems someone is lying. That thread is still locked and never got unlocked by me.

     



  • @WeatherGod said:

    @Jeff S said:

    And, for that particular post, I did not delete it.  I actually responded to it and quoted it, so why would I then delete it?   I thought mine should be deleted as well, to be honest.
    Well, then I think that whichever mod who deleted that post made a serious error in judgement.  While I don't like threads being derailed by grammer nazis, deleting such a post really made no sense.  In particular, the lack of the deletion of your follow-up post defeats the purpose of deleting the original post.  Deleting posts can make more of a mess than it cleans up.  I would encourage ALL of the moderators to refrain from deleting posts and locking (active) threads.

    Actually, ammoQ deleted my two posts in that thread, not because of the content, which was quite on-topic, but because of personal attacks on Jeff S in my tags. I got notification of the deletion by ammoQ, I sent a complaint, and ammoQ made it clear that he was spanking me like a misbehaving puppy. End of story.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    It appears that you still don't understand what Welbog is saying.

    Ask ammoQ about how a mod should act in that situation. He sure has handled it well in all the threads he was personally involved in.

     

    Actually, you and I agree on this one MPS, remember? Tthe post was clearly an off-topic flame.  It got deleted at the moderator's discretion.   Simple.  



  •  @Jeff S said:

    Anyway, where did you ask me if I locked the thread directly and I refused to answer? 

    Are you telling us you have not read the OP?

    @Jeff S said:

    Hmm.  Seems someone is lying. That thread is still locked and never got unlocked by me.
     

    Really? It is unlocked right now.

    Proof: http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/9582/176338.aspx#176338

    Care to explain why it got locked in the first place?

     

    Someone is lying, that is for sure, but it isn't me.



  • @Jeff S said:

    Actually, you and I agree on this one MPS, remember?
     

    Sorry, I am done arguing this with you. 

    No one buys your shit.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

     @Jeff S said:

    Anyway, where did you ask me if I locked the thread directly and I refused to answer? 

    Are you telling us you have not read the OP?

     

    Ok, just read your original post.  Was there a question directed to me in there somewhere?

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Really? It is unlocked right now.

    Proof: http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/9582/176338.aspx#176338

    Care to explain why it got locked in the first place?

    Ah ha! It is unlocked.  I don't think I unlocked it, someone else may have, but perhaps it was me. I honestly don't remember.  (I am being embarrasingly honest here, I really don't).  Either way, you "p4wned" me by starting a new thread, right?  I learned my lesson not to underestimate your skillz!

     



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Jeff S said:

    Actually, you and I agree on this one MPS, remember?
     

    Sorry, I am done arguing this with you. 

    No one buys your shit.

     

    Sweet!  No point in arguing when we agree.  Now get back to your reporting, there are lots of trolls out there!  The forum needs your vigilance!



  • @bstorer said:

    @WeatherGod said:

    @Jeff S said:

    And, for that particular post, I did not delete it.  I actually responded to it and quoted it, so why would I then delete it?   I thought mine should be deleted as well, to be honest.
    Well, then I think that whichever mod who deleted that post made a serious error in judgement.  While I don't like threads being derailed by grammer nazis, deleting such a post really made no sense.  In particular, the lack of the deletion of your follow-up post defeats the purpose of deleting the original post.  Deleting posts can make more of a mess than it cleans up.  I would encourage ALL of the moderators to refrain from deleting posts and locking (active) threads.

    Actually, ammoQ deleted my two posts in that thread, not because of the content, which was quite on-topic, but because of personal attacks on Jeff S in my tags. I got notification of the deletion by ammoQ, I sent a complaint, and ammoQ made it clear that he was spanking me like a misbehaving puppy. End of story.
     

    Thanks for the details, bstorer.  I don't think facts like this will factor into any discussions here (unfortunately), but I appreciate you checking into that.



  • @Jeff S said:

    UPDATE: I should clarify - the post was deleted not specificalyl because it was an insult about my mother, but because it was completely off-topic and threatening to derail the thread.  A clear-cut example, as MPS will tell you, of a post that requires moderation.
    I only put up that post because you came in whining about off-topic posts in a thread that was going pretty well up until that point. Sure, there had been off-topic posts, but there was also a real discussion going on. I had no illusions about it being on-topic: I tagged it with "Your mom jokes: the last bastion of the troll," after all.



  • @Jeff S said:

    (I am being embarrasingly honest here, I really don't).
     

    That is embarrassing. So I guess you may have just 'forgotten' about the posts you deleted and other such activities too huh?



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Jeff S said:

    (I am being embarrasingly honest here, I really don't).
     

    That is embarrassing. So I guess you may have just 'forgotten' about the posts you deleted and other such activities too huh?

     

    It is absolutely embarassing. Of course, it could simply mean that I didn't unlock it but someone else did, right?  (though I do count that as unlikely to again be honest)

    So... interesting couple of posts by bstorer, huh?  Did you miss 'em?


  • @Jeff S said:

    So... interesting couple of posts by bstorer, huh?  Did you miss 'em?
     

    Obviously you chose to ignore what he wrote in them like you did to my posts.

    Not sure what you are alluding to.

    Anyway, enough squabbling, I said what I needed to say, you proved me right. So thanks.

    I have nothing else for you.

     

    If anyone else cannot see through Jeffy's bullshit and would like to discuss any part of it, I would be happy to discuss it with you. But I think Jeffy has said his piece and he is just reiterating the same bullshit.

    Otherwise I excpect we will be back to business as usual now.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Jeff S said:

    So... interesting couple of posts by bstorer, huh?  Did you miss 'em?
     

    Obviously you chose to ignore what he wrote in them like you did to my posts.

    Not sure what you are alluding to.

     

    uh ... that AmmoQ deleted those posts in that thread, not me ?  Maybe you missed all of that? You know, where I said other people are moderating posts as well, not just me, and you kept shouting and screaming "liar" over and over?  Remember that?  Would you like me to cite specific quotes?

     

     



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    If anyone else cannot see through Jeffy's bullshit and would like to discuss any part of it, I would be happy to discuss it with you. But I think Jeffy has said his piece and he is just reiterating the same bullshit.

    Otherwise I excpect we will be back to business as usual now.

     

    Hmmm ... I think in the interest of an open and honest forum, without censorship, it would be best if people voice their opinions here publicly in the thread.  I can take my medicine like a big boy.  I know that the mafia agrees wtih me on this one. You really should be careful to not offend them, unlike you they feel that everyone should have a public voice in the forum and all opinions should be heard. 

    I appreciate you trying to take on your own little "mini-moderator" role by accepting off-line messages regarding your personal effort to clean up these forums, but please try not to suppress the will of the people by requesting that they keep their feedback privately moderated.




  •  @Jeff S said:

     Ever?  You mean, since 2006 when you joined?  Man, you are old school!  

    Yes, because I'm sure he didn't lurk for any time whatsoever before he created his account. </sarcasm>

     

    More seriously though, trolls are an important part of this community - remember SpectateSwamp?  He didn't write his 60(ish) page Desktop Search thread entirely by himself, after all.

    And I understand your position, Jeff, I really do.  You're trying to make TDWTF a more sensible place, which is a laudable goal.  Unfortunately, deleting MPS's posts probably isn't the best way to go about doing it - argumentative or not, posts like his are important to this community.  And I think if the community tires of him, it'll be pretty obvious, and there'll be a lot fewer people defending him in threads like these.

    So... as was said earlier, I may not agree with what a lot of people on this forum say, but I do defend their right to say it.  Please stop deleting people's posts unless they're obviously worthless (i.e. spam), or at least make sure you fully read the post in question (i.e. look at the tags).



  • @Albatross said:

    And I understand your position, Jeff, I really do.  You're trying to make TDWTF a more sensible place, which is a laudable goal.  Unfortunately, deleting MPS's posts probably isn't the best way to go about doing it - argumentative or not, posts like his are important to this community.  And I think if the community tires of him, it'll be pretty obvious, and there'll be a lot fewer people defending him in threads like these.

    So... as was said earlier, I may not agree with what a lot of people on this forum say, but I do defend their right to say it.  Please stop deleting people's posts unless they're obviously worthless (i.e. spam), or at least make sure you fully read the post in question (i.e. look at the tags).

    Thanks for your feedback.  I know there is a lot to read in this thread to get caught up, but please remember that the only posts of his I deleted were direct, off-topic insults at me while he was going on a rampage against me because he thought I deleted some posts, which I did not, as pointed out by bstorer right in this thread.

    The post that I did delete which triggered MPS's tantrum was a post by bstorer, which even he explains he posted with the expectation that it should be deleted as it was an intentionally obvious troll on his part.  Again, that is also explained by bstorer here, so I really encourage you to read his last few posts and contrast his information with many of the "facts" presented by MPS.

    If you have any specific questions about this, just let me know, I'd be happy to provide more info.

     



  • @Albatross said:

    And I understand your position, Jeff, I really do.  You're trying to make TDWTF a more sensible place, which is a laudable goal.  Unfortunately, deleting MPS's posts probably isn't the best way to go about doing it - argumentative or not, posts like his are important to this community.  And I think if the community tires of him, it'll be pretty obvious, and there'll be a lot fewer people defending him in threads like these.

    So... as was said earlier, I may not agree with what a lot of people on this forum say, but I do defend their right to say it.  Please stop deleting people's posts unless they're obviously worthless (i.e. spam), or at least make sure you fully read the post in question (i.e. look at the tags).

     

    Many of the people that don't like the constant trolling of MPS and to a less extent morbiuswilters have left the forum or at least don't bother reading stupid threads like this one.

     

    A couple other points:

    1. I wish people would stop putting content in tags.  Tags are suppose to help in searching for topics.  Tags are not meant to be another means to add content to a post.

     2. Deleting posts is confusing and disruptive.  Better just to replace the entire content of the post with <removed by moderator> or something similar.  At least then we know there was a post there.



  • @tster said:

    constant trolling of MPS and to a less extent morbiuswilters
     

    Please remember that disagreeing or arguing or mutual joking is not trolling.

    There are an awful lot of misuses of that term being thrown around.

    Deleting posts with the direct intention of starting a flamewar with a member of the community would be considered trolling however.



  • I don't have any intention of getting involved with this thread, but first I would like to clear up some things.

    I was the one who unlocked the old thread; I had intended to merge the two together, but the forums bombed out with an error when I put in the thread ids to be merged.

     Second, Jeff S is correct in his claim that he has not deleted any posts from this thread; every post deleted is archived in staff-only forum called Deleted Posts and there are no posts from this thread in there. I'd be willing to provide screenshots of this forum to prove posts haven't been deleted. MPS: if you wish, I can also post screenshots of any posts from the thread you said they were deleted from. 

    Finally,while CS does allow post removal without sending the email notification, it does require we type in a log entry, and its logged into the administrative control panel.Alex can check this if you aren't stasified. 



  • @Michael Casadevall said:

    I don't have any intention of getting involved with this thread, but first I would like to clear up some things.

    I was the one who unlocked the old thread; I had intended to merge the two together, but the forums bombed out with an error when I put in the thread ids to be merged.

     Second, Jeff S is correct in his claim that he has not deleted any posts from this thread; every post deleted is archived in staff-only forum called Deleted Posts and there are no posts from this thread in there. I'd be willing to provide screenshots of this forum to prove posts haven't been deleted. MPS: if you wish, I can also post screenshots of any posts from the thread you said they were deleted from. 

    Finally,while CS does allow post removal without sending the email notification, it does require we type in a log entry, and its logged into the administrative control panel.Alex can check this if you aren't stasified. 

    I appreciate the info.  I don't think anyone claimed Jeff had deleted posts from this thread or the other thread, but he did lock the other thread which resulted in me losing a post I spent about half an hour carefully writing.  It wasn't a flame but was a well-thought out criticism of his actions thus far.  Once I realized it was lost I posted the insult at the beginning of this thread, which I still do not regret doing.

     

    I'd really like to see this resolved without all this back-and-forth bitching, but I'm also very uneasy with the immature attitude that Jeff has taken concerning the whole thing.  He's definitely not being transparent about his actions, which I think most reasonable people can conclude is a prerequisite for moderation of an online community. 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I'd really like to see this resolved without all this back-and-forth bitching, but I'm also very uneasy with the immature attitude that Jeff has taken concerning the whole thing. 
     

    I think you really need to read through this thread very carefully, especially the last 10-20 posts.

    Luckily for us all, based on your unwarranted (and un-returned) personal insults and rants towards me on this thread and others, we don't have to be too concerned about your opinion regarding what is immature and what is not.  

    @morbiuswilters said:

    He's definitely not being transparent about his actions, which I think most reasonable people can conclude is a prerequisite for moderation of an online community. 

    What else do you think I need to be "clear about"? Any other specific accusations you want to make that we need to clear up?   Let me know, we were able to pretty conclusively address and resolve every single one of MPS's accusations with facts and input from others such as bstorer and Michael, I'd be happy very to address yours here publicly as well.  I can't very well address arbitrary statements like "Jeff was a bad moderator!" or "Jeff was immature!" without any sort of details, so please just let me know your specific concerns by citing actual incidents, and I will address them directly one by one, as I have done for every other one in this thread so far.  If I've made any mistakes in my judgements or actions (such as locking the previous thread), I will not hestitate to admit it and apologize (as I have done).  Will you?

    Thanks!  Let's try to have an actual, honest dialog.  Very much looking forward to it.



  • @Michael Casadevall said:

    I was the one who unlocked the old thread; I had intended to merge the two together, but the forums bombed out with an error when I put in the thread ids to be merged.
     

    Ah, that explains it.  Thank you for clearing that up. I thought I was losing my mind on that one, I hadn't remembered unlocking it.

    Looking forward to MPS's apology for calling me a liar on that one as well. I assume it will come right after he apologizes for accusing me of deleting those other posts, and for calling me a liar repeatedly when I tried to tell him I didn't delete them.

     



  • What I don't understand is why we have regulars writting a few dozen posts each, bitching and moaning about how the mods did this and the mods did that. Do they realise that access to these forums is free and as such a privillege and not a right? Why do they have the expectation to dictate policy on a service they don't pay for?

    I'm all for critising authority and if there was some widespread uproar over this subject I might understand, but 90% of this is coming from a number of people I can count on the fingers of one hand. Why is it only them that have such a big problem? If they can't get over it maybe they should try and remember the basic rule of online communities which is very, very simple:

    If you don't like it, leave.



  • @DOA said:

    but 90% of this is coming from a number of people I can count on the fingers of one hand. Why is it only them that have such a big problem?
    Quite possibly because those few people are troll who enjoy making flames, and as such any moderation that occurs will most likely affect them negatively (as it should). I'm all for curbing the mafia, of course they can always grow up and the problem ceases to be for all parties, but that won't happen.



  • @DOA said:

    What I don't understand is why we have regulars writting a few dozen posts each, bitching and moaning about how the mods did this and the mods did that. Do they realise that access to these forums is free and as such a privillege and not a right? Why do they have the expectation to dictate policy on a service they don't pay for?

    I'm all for critising authority and if there was some widespread uproar over this subject I might understand, but 90% of this is coming from a number of people I can count on the fingers of one hand. Why is it only them that have such a big problem? If they can't get over it maybe they should try and remember the basic rule of online communities which is very, very simple:

    If you don't like it, leave.

    We contribute to this site and have a stake in it.  Nobody pays for it, but without the community there is no site.  Therefore, we are very concerned with the direction the moderation takes. 



  • @Lingerance said:

    Quite possibly because those few people are troll who enjoy making flames, and as such any moderation that occurs will most likely affect them negatively (as it should). I'm all for curbing the mafia, of course they can always grow up and the problem ceases to be for all parties, but that won't happen.

    Oh give me a break.  You're the biggest whiner in the world.  You're just mad that you enforced your stupid moderation of the IRC channel and everyone left and made a new channel.  That's precisely what is playing out here.  Yes, you can silence the intelligent, funny and useful contributors but you're just going to end up with the same situation that happened in #TDWTF -- an incredibly boring community where no one ever talks and the most exciting thing that happens is having MPS join.  Seriously, you yourself have become so desperate for something to do in the last few weeks that you've unbanned MPS from your channel just to have someone intelligent to talk to, even though you know he's only going to mock you for being a little control freak furfag.  Your life is so pathetic that you actually have to reach out to MPS and ask him to verbally abuse you just so you have something to do. 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Seriously, you yourself have become so desperate for something to do in the last few weeks that you've unbanned MPS

    His hostmask changed, making my previous ban ineffective.
    @morbiuswilters said:
    even though you know he's only going to mock you for being a little control freak furfag.  Your life is so pathetic that you actually have to reach out to MPS and ask him to verbally abuse you just so you have something to do. 

    Exhibit A. Thank you for your very generous contribution to my argument.



  • @Lingerance said:

    His hostmask changed, making my previous ban ineffective.

    I seem to recall an incident where you guys did let him in just because nothing was happening and you wanted to be entertained.  OTOH, #TDWTF is so boring that even thinking about it is making me sleepy so I really don't care.

     

    @Lingerance said:

    Exhibit A. Thank you for your very generous contribution to my argument.

    Nothing I said was untrue, was it?  You have to accept what you are and stop getting pissed off at people who point it out.  Hell, I don't even care what you want to do, but you are so damn defensive about it. 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I don't think anyone claimed Jeff had deleted posts from this thread or the other thread
     

    Nope, I know I never did. But this is the typical political word twisting that Jeff S is employing. 

    I cannot argue against people who just make shit up, so I will remain quiet on that.

    If someone needs to know what is being argued, I invite them to actually read these two threads.



  • @DOA said:

    If you don't like it, leave.
     

    You should take your own advice. A very large percentage of your very small post count (zOMG he said post count! Jump on him!) is crying and whining.

    The rest of us that are taking issue with having a majority of posts deleted in the course of two days have actually been around for a while and have contributed to the discussions.



  • @Lingerance said:

    I'm all for curbing the mafia, of course they can always grow up and the problem ceases to be for all parties, but that won't happen.
     

    Oh get over yourself. The 'mafia' was only the channel name picked out of a hat based on a joke that you thought we were so evil for making fun of your ridiculous policies in your IRC channel. Otherwise, nothing goes on in the new IRC channel that didn't happen in the old one. (Except open, free, honest communication).

    And anyone who is curious or worried or whatever is invited in to take a look around, as they always have been. After all, our channel hasn't banned a single person, which you cannot say about your channel.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    ... even though you know he's only going to mock you for being a little control freak furfag.  Your life is so pathetic that you actually have to reach out to MPS and ask him to verbally abuse you just so you have something to do. 
     

    A little tip -- people become numb to name-calling after a while.  I know you will take that comment as a challenge to come up with more insults, but believe me, an insult from morbius on this forum doesn't even register on anyone's radar; it's just simply been overdone and played out and now it is just cliched background noise where people are laughing at you, not the person you are trying to insult.  The louder you scream "listen to me! I am insulting you! and trying to be clever about it!" the more numb everyone becomes to it and the more we don't even notice.

    Please accept my apology in advance if I don't return the cliched, verbal insult assault we are all now simply expecting from you as a response to this.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I seem to recall an incident where you guys did let him in just because nothing was happening and you wanted to be entertained.  OTOH, #TDWTF is so boring that even thinking about it is making me sleepy so I really don't care.
     

    Indeed, this happens every now and then. Since we left the channel it has consisted of mostly silence laced with a few "zOMG MPS! Do you remember when he was here? Did you see what he did today!?  zOMG!".

    It is fine that you guys wanted a different community, you have that now, but to try and spread that disease to the forums is another matter. If the forums ended up like your channel, it would be awful (read: silent). 

    I invite Jeff S and any other moderator who agrees with his type of moderation to #TDWTF to see just how beautifully that channel's heavy handed moderation is working out.



  • @Jeff S said:

    but believe me, an insult from morbius on this forum doesn't even register on anyone's radar
     

    Really? There are multiple threads with people belly aching about this right now, undoubtedly based on your introduction of more drama.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Jeff S said:

    but believe me, an insult from morbius on this forum doesn't even register on anyone's radar
     

    Really? There are multiple threads with people belly aching about this right now, undoubtedly based on your introduction of more drama.

     

    Yes, undoubtedly !  

     



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    If someone needs to know what is being argued, I invite them to actually read these two threads.

    We agree yet again!  I definitely encourage people to read these two threads very, very carefully and gather all the facts, and filter out the vague subjective accusations and name-calling.  And don't make judgements until reading the whole thing -- there's some surprising plot twists towards the end!

    Thank you, MPS.  Your role as an honorary "junior mini-moderator" here is well-earned!



  • @Jeff S said:

    an insult from morbius on this forum doesn't even register on anyone's radar; it's just simply been overdone and played out and now it is just cliched background noise where people are laughing at you, not the person you are trying to insult.  The louder you scream "listen to me! I am insulting you! and trying to be clever about it!" the more numb everyone becomes to it and the more we don't even notice.

    Actually, I find it sort of entertaining.

    I strongly encourage anyone who finds himself on the hot end of his shtick to see it in this amusment-light, instead of taking personal offense.



  • @dhromed said:

    I strongly encourage anyone who finds himself on the hot end of his shtick to see it in this amusment-light, instead of taking personal offense.
     

    Which is often how it is intended. I am not sure how we ended up with little babies on this forum who cry about it.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @dhromed said:

    I strongly encourage anyone who finds himself on the hot end of his shtick to see it in this amusment-light, instead of taking personal offense.
     

    Which is often how it is intended. I am not sure how we ended up with little babies on this forum who cry about it.

     

    The opinion of the "babies who cry about it" is just as valid as the opinions of those who think it's "clever and funny", right?\

    And don't forget the 3rd viewpoint: that it's simply a sad, tired, immature, boring, unfunny desperate plea for attention.


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