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Clinton staff disabled security of private email server
Tech staffers at the State Department temporarily disabled crucial security features on Hillary Clinton’s private email server in 2010 — leaving a trove of sensitive information vulnerable to...
Newly released emails show State Department staffers wrestled in December 2010 over a serious technical problem with then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s home email server. They temporarily disabled security features, which left the server more vulnerable to hackers. Weeks later, hackers attacked the server so seriously it was shut down.
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/r/HillaryForPrison is
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@LB_ said in Quick hit the reset button!:
HillaryForPrison
Why would Hillary Clinton go to prison for breaking her own email server if nobody went to prison over any of the other 1,070,622,134 cases of stolen data?
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@LB_ said in Quick hit the reset button!:
HillaryForPrison
Why would Hillary Clinton go to prison for breaking her own email server if nobody went to prison over any of the other 1,070,622,134 cases of stolen data?
Probably because her going down (
) would cripple the Democratic party.
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@error said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@LB_ said in Quick hit the reset button!:
HillaryForPrison
Why would Hillary Clinton go to prison for breaking her own email server if nobody went to prison over any of the other 1,070,622,134 cases of stolen data?
Probably because her going down (
) would cripple the Democratic party.If that's a legitimate reason for jailing someone, why not jail Donald Trump for felony fraud?
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@LB_ said in Quick hit the reset button!:
HillaryForPrison
Why would Hillary Clinton go to prison for breaking her own email server if nobody went to prison over any of the other 1,070,622,134 cases of stolen data?
Because the other cases of stolen data didn't feature high-ranking government officials putting sensitive information on a crappy server their nephew built (just keeping this in TDWTF's theme).
...or they should go to prison too.
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WHOA
I just read the article
You quoted the wrong part
The emails show Clinton’s staff disabled software intended to block phishing emails that could deliver dangerous viruses. The Associated Press reported last year that Clinton later received phishing emails.
So are we saying that Hillary Clinton should go to jail for someone else disabling a spam filter on her email?
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@ben_lubar said in [Quick hit the reset button!](/pos t/920548):
WHOA
I just read the article
You quoted the wrong part
The emails show Clinton’s staff disabled software intended to block phishing emails that could deliver dangerous viruses. The Associated Press reported last year that Clinton later received phishing emails.
So are we saying that Hillary Clinton should go to jail for someone else disabling a spam filter on her email?
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
If that's a legitimate reason for jailing someone, why not jail Donald Trump for felony fraud?
The Trump University thing is already winding its way through the courts.
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
WHOA
I just read the article
You quoted the wrong part
The emails show Clinton’s staff disabled software intended to block phishing emails that could deliver dangerous viruses. The Associated Press reported last year that Clinton later received phishing emails.
So are we saying that Hillary Clinton should go to jail for someone else disabling a spam filter on her email?
Well, if we jailed everyone stupid enough to fall for a phishing email we'd probably be better off. I suggest we turn Manhattan into a penal colony or something.
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That sounds like an interesing premise for a sci fi action movie...
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@Anonymouse reference get within 4 minutes. I'm impressed! Here, have a
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@Onyx What reference? I just used my awesome Paint skills to whip up a quick sketch of what I imagined the poster for that hypothetical movie to look like...
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@Anonymouse Unfortunately that poster’s a bit too small to make out Charlton Heston.
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Why would Hillary Clinton go to prison for breaking her own email server if nobody went to prison over any of the other 1,070,622,134 cases of stolen data?
For instance: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798
Of course, it was the using of the server that was the problem. Its breakage just adds some nice emphasis.
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
So are we saying that Hillary Clinton should go to jail for someone else disabling a spam filter on her email?
I've only heard you bring that up.
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@boomzilla said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
So are we saying that Hillary Clinton should go to jail for someone else disabling a spam filter on her email?
I've only heard you bring that up.
So why is this story about her staffer disabling a spam filter grounds for jailing her?
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
So why is this story about her staffer disabling a spam filter grounds for jailing her?
Like I said, this is your theory, so I think you should explain it.
I think that story was updated since I posted it though. I definitely remember it being shorter and the bit I quoted from it is no longer a part of it.
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
So are we saying that Hillary Clinton should go to jail for someone else disabling a spam filter on her email?
Ben, are you also the kind of person who thinks Bill Clinton was impeached for getting a blow job? Because you need about that level of misunderstanding of the situation to say something dumb like that.
It's not illegal for you or me to use gmail. It was illegal for Hillary to conduct official federal business with it.
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@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Ben, are you also the kind of person who thinks Bill Clinton was impeached for getting a blow job? Because you need about that level of misunderstanding of the situation to say something dumb like that.
It's not illegal for you or me to use gmail. It was illegal for Hillary to conduct official federal business with it.
Yes, but it's so much easier to make something look ridiculous when you oversimplify it, and when you can make something look ridiculous, you can get people to ridicule it, which makes it difficult to actually think about it rationally.
Keep in mind that this is frequently the goal, and a lot of political dialogue makes much more sense.
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@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
are you also the kind of person who thinks Bill Clinton was impeached for getting a blow job?
As a right pondian who wasn't that interested in international politics at the time, what was he impeached for?
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@Jaloopa said in Quick hit the reset button!:
As a right pondian who wasn't that interested in international politics at the time, what was he impeached for?
Perjury.
Yes, it was similar to how they nailed Al Capone for tax evasion.
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@FrostCat so it was for the "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" comment (or similar in court)?
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@Jaloopa said in Quick hit the reset button!:
so it was for the "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" comment (or similar in court)?
IIRC.
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@Jaloopa said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@FrostCat so it was for the "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" comment (or similar in court)?
Among other things. Many other things. Everyone remembers Monica Lewinsky, but those of us who were paying attention remember that his presidency was pretty much one long scandal from beginning to end.
It seems absurd now, looking back, but Bush Jr. got in on a campaign platform of "I will restore dignity to the White House."
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@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
It was illegal for Hillary to conduct official federal business with it.
More importantly, to process classified information on an unclassified system.
@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Perjury
Also obstruction of justice.
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@boomzilla said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Also obstruction of justice.
Lazyweb comes through again! I have alot better luck with that than JWZ does.
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@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
It was illegal for Hillary to conduct official federal business with it.
Was it, though? The laws around what you can and can't do with official federal business are fascinating and bizzarre: http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/19/colin-powell-emails-hillary-clinton-424187.html
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Why would Hillary Clinton go to prison for breaking her own email server
It would if she did it to purposefully conceal some conflict of interest during the Benghazi incident.
My theory, she knew who she was dealing with, with those rebels, and armed them anyway thinking they'd go cause some trouble elsewhere. But they chose to cause trouble at the embassy, and she manipulated people to withhold support, because it would somehow expose her mistake. Choosing rather to let innocent civilian Americans die for her crimes.
She also broke the law by using her home email to communicate sensitive information about this. Then she had her email server trashed to cover it all up.
Either way, it doesn't matter, because either she broke the laws and fucked up that bad, or she knows who did.
But, if she didn't do that, then she knows who did.
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@xaade said in Quick hit the reset button!:
communicate sensitive information
Remember that one of her "defenses" was the statement that she never saw anything that was marked classified. This is a classic Clinton subterfuge: generally someone in her position would not have to see a classified marking--there are things the Secretary of State essentially should know are classified, and that they are not allowed to go through unsecure servers.
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@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
breaking her own email server i
I read about this is the paper this morning, and it wasn't her server that was modified. It was the governments.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/emails-key-security-features-disabled-clintons-server-192234539--politics.html"causing them to temporarily disable security features on the government's own systems,"
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@Yamikuronue said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Was it, though? The laws around what you can and can't do with official federal business are fascinating and bizzarre:
But none of them allow for classified processing on a private machine.
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@boomzilla said in Quick hit the reset button!:
But none of them allow for classified processing on a private machine.
Right. There's no mens rea requirement when dealing with classified information. Having it go through an insecure server is a crime in and of itself.
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@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@ben_lubar said in Quick hit the reset button!:
So are we saying that Hillary Clinton should go to jail for someone else disabling a spam filter on her email?
Ben, are you also the kind of person who thinks Bill Clinton was impeached for getting a blow job?
Filed under: Click before you
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@error That was kind of funny, although
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@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@error That was kind of funny, although
Did you obey the tag?
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@error How could anyone thing a clip from Two Stupid Dogs is
? Also I was referring to the comic, not you, just in case that wasn't clear.
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@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@error How could anyone thing a clip from Two Stupid Dogs is
? Also I was referring to the comic, not you, just in case that wasn't clear.Well, given that the link it was asking you click on was:
Which makes it not wrong.
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@error said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Well, given that the link it was asking you click on was
Oh. Well, I didn't bother to click the link. So basically he agreed with me about the impeachment.
BTW it's pretty uncontroversial to state he did actually lie under oath, so in a less partisan world he should have been convicted.
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@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
So basically he agreed with me about the impeachment.
Wait, if he was acquitted what was he actually impeached for?
You can't be impeached for being prosecuted for a crime, surely? That would be
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@AyGeePlus said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@FrostCat said in Quick hit the reset button!:
So basically he agreed with me about the impeachment.
Wait, if he was acquitted what was he actually impeached for?
You can't be impeached for being prosecuted for a crime, surely? That would be
.Impeached means brought to trial.
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@error said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Impeached means brought to trial.
TIL. Oh. so he kept being President?
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@AyGeePlus Correct, he was not removed from office. No president has ever been removed from office, though two have been impeached.
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@AyGeePlus said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@error said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Impeached means brought to trial.
TIL. Oh. so he kept being President?
Until his term ended.
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@AyGeePlus said in Quick hit the reset button!:
@error said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Impeached means brought to trial.
TIL. Oh. so he kept being President?
The House impeaches, the Senate convicts or acquits. Kind of like how a grand jury indicts and a petit jury convicts and acquits.
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@error said in Quick hit the reset button!:
Impeached means brought to trial.
I thought he wasn't formally impeached. It was in the hearings for whether they were going to do that that it became clear that the special counsel they were using had been rather wasteful in his use of public money and the whole thing was given up as a bad job rather than pounding more sand down that rathole. The reaction of the special counsel was predictable: join the lecture circuit (like most former presidents) and make a few crap-tons of money boring people to near-death.
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@dkf said in Quick hit the reset button!:
I thought he wasn't formally impeached.
Nixon wasn't. Johnson (Andrew, not Lyndon) and Clinton were impeached. Both were acquitted in the Senate.
