Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?
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So my WinPhone incorrectly labeled emails it sent when connected to my Gmail account as "Sent Items" instead of "Sent Mail". Based on the email's dates, this bug existed for approximately one month in summer of 2014. Kind of annoying, but no big deal, right? I can just log into Gmail and move them into "Sent Mail".
Except I can't.
Ok, well since the emails were sent from my email account (just on a different device), surely, they already have the "Sent Mail" tag on them? That way I can just remove the redundant "Sent Items" tag and clean it all up.
Except they don't.
So... from now until the end of time I just have this "Sent Items" folder sitting there with a half-dozen emails in it confusing the bejeezus out of me because Gmail won't let me fix it.
(Wait a minute, I just got an idea-- Outlook's all IMAP'ed to Gmail, maybe Outlook can save my bacon... YES IT WORKED fuck you Google!)
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@blakeyrat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
(Wait a minute, I just got an idea-- Outlook's all IMAP'ed to Gmail, maybe Outlook can save my bacon... YES IT WORKED fuck you Google!)
I'm honestly surprised this worked, Google seems to be trying to fuck up IMAP lately. But yeah, their fuckery with the UI, labels and proper integration is getting annoying enough that I'm considering leaving it behind, all the nice stuff be damned.
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@Onyx After hooking my Gmail up to about 10-12 devices and email clients over the years, before I cleaned it up today (after being confused about which folder was my real "Sent" folder), I removed like 4-5 different ways to describe the email account's trash can.
My favorite is whatever email client created:
[Gmail]/Trash/Deleted Items
I also apparently have this thing called "Categories" now, which is great. The "Social" category appears to keep track of all the update emails I've gotten from Twitter. Except... it says I have one unread? But when I click into it, they're all read. WTF. They have little drop-down menus on their names, but of course the option "Mark All As Read" doesn't exist, why would it. I'd fix that in Outlook too, but apparently "Categories" are MAGICAL folders that don't show up in IMAP.
EDIT: if I click into a category like "Social", the "More" menu has a "Mark All As Read". If I choose that, it says "No unread conversations." I KNOW YOU IDIOT! YOU KNOW TOO NOW, SO REMOVE THE (1) FROM THE CATEGORY NAME MORON! I hate dumb software.
Given my low expectations of Google software quality, I'm surprised it let me rename the label "software" to "Software" without giving me some asinine "you already have a label by this name!" error. EDIT: holy shit and when I tell Outlook to sync after renaming the labels, it correctly capitalizes them too without any stupid errors! It's a miracle of software!!!
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@blakeyrat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
I'd fix that in Outlook too, but apparently "Categories" are MAGICAL folders that don't show up in IMAP.
Yup. And the worse thing being that the new "Inbox" client thing adds a new magical label, "Done" I think it's called, which doesn't appear in either GMail client, nor IMAP. And the way Inbox encourages you to work you are supposed to mark stuff in your inbox as "done" once you read / deal with the email. So, it encourages you to apply a magical label to your emails and effectively hide them from anything other than the Inbox client (yeah, that name isn't confusing at all guys!).
When they ever phase out the GMail client completely (you know they will, come on) I'm done with using that for email. I can work with less than 15 gigs of space for my emails, and the main benefit of a relatively decent web client (ok, let's be honest, the only thing that's still good is the search) will be gone.
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@Onyx said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Yup. And the worse thing being that the new "Inbox" client thing adds a new magical label, "Done" I think it's called, which doesn't appear in either GMail client, nor IMAP.
I have never used that, nor will I ever.
@Onyx said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
And the way Inbox encourages you to work you are supposed to mark stuff in your inbox as "done" once you read / deal with the email.
I just use the read marker to do that. If the email's "unread" that either means I haven't actually read it, or I read it but I haven't done what I need to do in response to it yet.
Kind of WTF-y but it works for me.
Then I get the preachy holier-than-though "inbox zero" guys bitching at me because I have 70,000 emails in my inbox.
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@Onyx said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Yup. And the worse thing being that the new "Inbox" client thing adds a new magical label, "Done" I think it's called, which doesn't appear in either GMail client, nor IMAP. And the way Inbox encourages you to work you are supposed to mark stuff in your inbox as "done" once you read / deal with the email. So, it encourages you to apply a magical label to your emails and effectively hide them from anything other than the Inbox client (yeah, that name isn't confusing at all guys!).
Err, it's just "Archived" in the normal Gmail client...
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@blakeyrat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
I just use the read marker to do that. If the email's "unread" that either means I haven't actually read it, or I read it but I haven't done what I need to do in response to it yet.
Yeah, that's what most people do I guess, or apply a separate label / move to another folder. But what I mean with encouraging, well... Let's s say the UI is shit enough that you want to do it.
Information density is crap, bolded parts of unread emails don't stand out enough... it's like NodeBB's recent topics list, but with even more shit removed. There isn't even a timestamp any more FFS, except for grouping messages by date "Today", "Yesterday" and "Last week"!
@sloosecannon said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Err, it's just "Archived" in the normal Gmail client...
Oh, cool!
I don't know how to email any more, apparently.
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There it is, if you know to use the manual filter.
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@sloosecannon said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Oh well, looks like the right label is "done"
Which you can't access the settings of in GMail because it doesn't acknowledge its existence, meaning you can't set it to being visible in IMAP
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@Onyx said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
@sloosecannon said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Oh well, looks like the right label is "done"
Which you can't access the settings of in GMail because it doesn't acknowledge its existence, meaning you can't set it to being visible in IMAP
Ouch.
Good thing I only use Inbox on that account... yikes
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@Onyx said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Which you can't access the settings of in GMail because it doesn't acknowledge its existence, meaning you can't set it to being visible in IMAP
What would happen if you had your own label named "Done" before you used the Inbox client? Would the planet explode? I bet the planet explodes.
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@blakeyrat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Then I get the preachy holier-than-though "inbox zero" guys bitching at me because I have 70,000 emails in my inbox.
I've noticed Outlook takes longer to start up, and possibly gets less responsive, the bigger your Inbox is, so I try to keep my work inbox down to a couple hundred messages: everything else goes into "Older inbox".
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@blakeyrat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
@Onyx said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Yup. And the worse thing being that the new "Inbox" client thing adds a new magical label, "Done" I think it's called, which doesn't appear in either GMail client, nor IMAP.
I have never used that, nor will I ever.
@Onyx said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
And the way Inbox encourages you to work you are supposed to mark stuff in your inbox as "done" once you read / deal with the email.
I just use the read marker to do that. If the email's "unread" that either means I haven't actually read it, or I read it but I haven't done what I need to do in response to it yet.
Kind of WTF-y but it works for me.
Then I get the preachy holier-than-though "inbox zero" guys bitching at me because I have 70,000 emails in my inbox.
To be fair, I keep items I haven't actioned on unread as well, but once they become irrelevant they get
deletedarchives.
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More Gmail (webapp) bugs:
I had a draft email with a couple embedded images I realized was a reply to the wrong thread, so I did a select-all and copied it, then opened up the correct thread, then did a paste in the reply box.
In the preview, the embedded images were fine. But after I send the email they were replaced with broken image links.
Webapps: "How do copy & paste work!?"
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@FrostCat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
I've noticed Outlook takes longer to start up, and possibly gets less responsive, the bigger your Inbox is, so I try to keep my work inbox down to a couple hundred messages: everything else goes into "Older inbox".
That's because Outlook isn't a very good email client.
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@blakeyrat You should really make at least your mail email address truly your own. As in, pay someone to host it.
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@cartman82 It is my own, and I do. I pay in eyeballs.
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@Onyx said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
their fuckery with the UI, labels and proper integration is getting annoying enough that I'm considering leaving it behind
I jumped ship to fastmail.com almost three years ago for exactly that reason, and have never once had cause to regret it. Migration was easy because Fastmail has an IMAP-based migrator that Just Works.
Fastmail's web client is also good enough to have made me abandon desktop email clients almost completely. I'll crank up Thunderbird every couple of weeks to get a local backup of my stuff, but day-to-day I just use the webmail.
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@blakeyrat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
I get the preachy holier-than-though "inbox zero" guys bitching at me because I have 70,000 emails in my inbox
It's worth re-tagging everything in All Mail as Inbox again, purely to annoy those people.
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@dkf said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
That's because Outlook isn't a very good email client.
That's as may be--but you can make it work somewhat better by keeping the Inbox small.
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@FrostCat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
I've noticed Outlook takes longer to start up, and possibly gets less responsive, the bigger your Inbox is, so I try to keep my work inbox down to a couple hundred messages: everything else goes into "Older inbox".
I haven't noticed that and I have about 5k messages in my Inbox? Is it possibly an add-in playing up, with a finger of suspicion on anti-virus of some kind? (Because add-ins take the bulk of the startup time.)
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@heterodox said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Is it possibly an add-in playing up, with a finger of suspicion on anti-virus of some kind?
I don't run any add-ins, and the only AV is MSSE.
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@FrostCat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
I don't run any add-ins, and the only AV is MSSE.
Let me guess, it's some ancient version like 2007?
Outlook 2013 doesn't have that problem. Assuming you're not just lying about it being a problem in the first place.
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@blakeyrat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Outlook 2013 doesn't have that problem. Assuming you're not just lying about it being a problem in the first place.
I think that's safe to assume, blakey. He's not even arguing Outlook is a bad e-mail client.
And yes, I should have specified, I'm running Outlook 2013 as well.
EDIT: And I run McAfee, so if it doesn't slow you down, nothing will. :P
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@blakeyrat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Let me guess, it's some ancient version like 2007?
@blakeyrat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
Assuming you're not just lying about it being a problem in the first place.
I know you don't understand hyu-mon behavior, Captain Crank, but I wouldn't have any reason to do that. 500 messages or so, it starts up fairly snappy. 5000 or so, it takes a lot longer to start up. No idea why, and I don't particularly care; I just move stuff into another folder every once in a while and that takes care of it.
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@heterodox said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
I think that's safe to assume, blakey.
Isn't it interesting, though, that he tends to simply assume bad faith on the part of others? Guy could probably stand to form a long relationship with a psychiatrist.
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@FrostCat said in Gmail doesn't let you move emails into "Sent Mail" for... reasons?:
That's as may be--but you can make it work somewhat better by keeping the Inbox small.
I keep my inbox small too. There can't be more than 30kβ40k messages in there now, but that's because I split things up into other mailboxes carefully and move things to archive every few monthsβ¦