Let's cry about a fucking shark
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The latest "animal cruelty" outrage to rock the press:
Representative top comments from the reddit thread:
Maybe I'm missing some big nuance here. But it seems these... commenters are getting angry over someone catching a fish and taking a picture with it.
Sigh.
HEY IDIOTS, EVER HEARD OF FISHING!?
This is almost unbelievable to me. Somebody in the media must be trolling these bleeding heart fucktards. They must already be planning how can they up the ante. A housewife bats a fly instead of chasing it out the window? A child pulls butterfly's wings? WHAT'S NEXT!?
So stupid.
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If it's not illegal to fish these species of shark in that area, then I'm not sure what all the hullabaloo is about.
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@LB_ Sheltered idiots see dead animal on social media and raise a moral panic. First it was the stupid lion, then the bear now this.
TIL if you're gonna kill an animal that could conceivably appear in a cartoon, you better do it where the twitter mob can't see you.
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As far as I know (not having any personal experience), most people who fish don't do it just to get a "Look at me!" picture. If they catch a fish, they either throw it back into the water before the fish dies, or they cook it and eat it. Unlike what these idiots did, there normally isn't any killing an animal just for their own vanity.
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@cartman82 this is why i stay away from any sub with more than 300k people on it. the comments become painful to look at
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@Dragnslcr said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
If they catch a fish, they either throw it back into the water before the fish dies, or they cook it and eat it. Unlike what these idiots did, there normally isn't any killing an animal just for their own vanity.
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Anyone heard of a concept called "going viral"?
This is a perfect example, and the prime feature is a big hullabaloo about bullshit.
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@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@Dragnslcr said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
If they catch a fish, they either throw it back into the water before the fish dies, or they cook it and eat it. Unlike what these idiots did, there normally isn't any killing an animal just for their own vanity.
Technically, we have no evidence those people did not subsequently eat the fish they're holding.
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@Dragnslcr said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
they either throw it back into the water before the fish dies
Do these fish even survive with that wound in their mouths? I don't like this fishing as a sport thing, it's cruelty.
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@Dreikin said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
Technically, we have no evidence those people did not subsequently eat the fish they're holding.
Oh, so eating the fish at the end is the magical karmic event that makes the whole fishing trip with buddies and posting that crap to social media OK? Once fish reaches your belly, there's an eucharistic miracle that absolves you of the sin of killing the fish?
What if you rape the fish before you eat it? That makes it worse? You have to eat it twice as hard to make up?
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@cartman82 Kill things to eat is a bad thing that we accept because that's how the world works. Killing for fun is something that I chose not to accept as an OK thing.
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@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@Dreikin said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
Technically, we have no evidence those people did not subsequently eat the fish they're holding.
Oh, so eating the fish at the end is the magical karmic event that makes the whole fishing trip with buddies and posting that crap to social media OK? Once fish reaches your belly, there's an eucharistic miracle that absolves you of the sin of killing the fish?
Not quite as theological as you put it, but yeah, a lot of people consider killing solely for sport/vanity to be worse than killing for utility (even if the latter still involves sport/vanity).
What if you rape the fish before you eat it? That makes it worse? You have to eat it twice as hard to make up?
You'd have to consult local laws for that one.
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@fbmac said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@cartman82 Kill things to eat is a bad thing that we accept because that's how the world works. Killing for fun is something that I chose not to accept as an OK thing.
We could totally survive without killing animals. Vegans manage to get by on plants and fungi, with some vitamins.
You don't need to eat marinated ribs with barbecue sauce to survive. You eat it because it's pleasurable.
Just as hunting and fishing are.
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@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
What if you rape the fish before you eat it? That makes it worse?
Depends. Is it a trans fish?
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@fbmac There's killing for food, there's killing for the fun of killing, and then on the lowest level there's killing for selfies.
There's just something different about being killed by (for example) a shot to the head vs being dragged somewhere where you can't breathe and then held in place while people take turns taking photos with you to post on Facebook.
Also, because someone has to say it: just because it has been done since forever doesn't mean it's OK.
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Wait-- 15 posts in, and we already have:
- hunting
- animal ethics
- liberals
- tumblr
- vegans
yeaaaaaaah... I've already got enough threads on my plate as it is. Bye. (Ignored)
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@anonymous234 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
Also, because someone has to say it: just because it has been done since forever doesn't mean it's OK.
Yeah we now have feels to consider.
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@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@anonymous234 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
Also, because someone has to say it: just because it has been done since forever doesn't mean it's OK.
Yeah we now have feels to consider.
Oh, for the good ol' days when feels weren't a concern at all.
Those were great times.
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@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
HEY IDIOTS, EVER HEARD OF FISHING!?
I'm sure we've all heard of it, that doesn't mean we all think it's a good thing.
Hooking an animal by the mouth, dragging it around while it fights for its life and then slowly asphyxiating it isn't cool. I don't know why people think it's okay to do it if the animal swims instead of walks, but it's still not cool.
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@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
We could totally survive without killing animals. Vegans manage to get by on plants and fungi, with some vitamins.
It's kind of an hypocrisy, but if I had to kill my own food, I would go vegan. And if the entire world would stop eating meat with me, I would do it. Otherwise, I just can't stand a vegan diet.
Maybe we could just eat carnivore animals like tigers, they have it coming for them.
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@fbmac As soon as we have cheap in vitro meat (which could be sooner than you think) people will start embracing the new "veganism" and 100 years from now they'll see us as violent savages who killed millions of animals just to eat them (as they finish their tasty, lab-grown Triple Baconator Deluxe).
We're not savages, meat is just too damn good for people to stop eating it.
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@anonymous234 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@Dreikin
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/578/682/575.jpgApparently one of my parsers broke - what's the intended meaning here? Tone ≠ correctness?
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@Dreikin they were for some. The trick is to be some. And with animals
- you are guaranteed to be some
- theres nothing animals can do about it
Win-win!
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@another_sam said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
HEY IDIOTS, EVER HEARD OF FISHING!?
I'm sure we've all heard of it, that doesn't mean we all think it's a good thing.
Hooking an animal by the mouth, dragging it around while it fights for its life and then slowly asphyxiating it isn't cool. I don't know why people think it's okay to do it if the animal swims instead of walks, but it's still not cool.
Why wouldnt it be? If they were smart, they'd have started walking while they had the chance, like us. Those fuckers have it coming!
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fucking shark
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@anonymous234 guaranteed to happen, agreed. Like every other "neccessary evil" in history, it will go away once economic and scientific progress create the right conditions. See also women rights, slavery.
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@Dreikin It's a parody of the political MS paint comics you sometimes see in the worse parts of the internet, where the "opponent" is depicted as a childish, stupid person who yells obviously stupid things, whereas everyone else is calm and level headed.
Like this one, which is actually completely unironical:
Edit: which probably didn't make a lot of sense in the context of my response. I was trying to parody the "feels" thing which is often used to dismiss arguments that might be valid.
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@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
See also women rights, slavery.
you mean women rights are a necessary evil?
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@anonymous234 That's one to many level of sarcsm for me.
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@fbmac said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
It's kind of an hypocrisy, but if I had to kill my own food, I would go vegan. And if the entire world would stop eating meat with me, I would do it. Otherwise, I just can't stand a vegan diet.
Some parts of the world are more vegan than other parts, and so where you live may make a difference in the ease of that. In any case, the rising popularity of veganism at the same time as foodie-ism has resulted in a lot of good recipes and foods being available, at least in the US.
I'm not vegan myself, but (a) I did it for a while out of curiousity, and it was better than I expected, and (b) I've started eating more non-meat stuff because I started looking for, and found, stuff I liked that didn't require meat or dairy. The current cookbook I'm trying recipes out of is all vegan foods, and at the very least gives more interesting plant-based dishes than typical American fare.
@anonymous234 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@fbmac As soon as we have cheap in vitro meat (which could be sooner than you think) people will start embracing the new "veganism" and 100 years from now they'll see us as violent savages who killed millions of animals just to eat them (as they finish their tasty, lab-grown Triple Baconator Deluxe).
We're not savages, meat is just too damn good for people to stop eating it.
Not soon enough. Although that's going to present its own fun host of real and perceived health & safety issues, which will delay adaptation.
I'm pretty sure this sounds more 'splainy than I intended, but I'm too lazy to edit its tone right now.
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@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
We could totally survive without killing animals. Vegans manage to get by on plants and fungi, with some vitamins.
Yeah. But not even I could be that big of an egotistical asshole. I set a pretty high bar...but it is light years away from veganism.
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@Dreikin said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
Those were great times.
As a German, you really shouldn't make such remarks...
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@another_sam said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
I'm sure we've all heard of it, that doesn't mean we all think it's a good thing.
Hooking an animal by the mouth, dragging it around while it fights for its life and then slowly asphyxiating it isn't cool. I don't know why people think it's okay to do it if the animal swims instead of walks, but it's still not cool.But if someone else does it for you, hacks it to pieces, then wraps it in plastic wrap, it is all cool. Right?
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@fbmac said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
It's kind of an hypocrisy, but if I had to kill my own food, I would go vegan.
You fucking wuss. It is only because your country does not allow firearms.
@fbmac said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
And if the entire world would stop eating meat with me, I would do it. Otherwise, I just can't stand a vegan diet.
Because a vegan diet fucking sucks. We are omnivores. We are meant to eat meat. Sure, we can get by eating vegetables. My wife was vegetarian when we married. Then we decided to have a child and her doctor told her she could either eat meat on occasion or eat 2-3 cans of spinach daily to get an adequate amount of iron.
Now she is an omnivore again.
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@fbmac said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@cartman82 said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
See also women rights, slavery.
you mean women rights are a necessary evil?
I wouldn't call it necessary....
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@Polygeekery said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@Dreikin said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
Those were great times.
As a German, you really shouldn't make such remarks...
Also, not actually German.
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@Dreikin said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
Also, not actually German.
Me either, but with my last name I try to not make such remarks. :P
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@fbmac said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
It's kind of an hypocrisy, but if I had to kill my own food, I would go vegan.
I would not. I am capable of killing my own food, and animals that stop giving me food. I keep backyard chickens which live for much longer than they lay, absent some dude with an axe of course.
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@Dragnslcr said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
As far as I know (not having any personal experience), most people who fish don't do it just to get a "Look at me!" picture. If they catch a fish, they either throw it back into the water before the fish dies, or they cook it and eat it. Unlike what these idiots did, there normally isn't any killing an animal just for their own vanity.
2016 is a kinder, gentler time than the 1970s in that regard.
When I was a kid, some local outfit (can't remember which one) used to organize a yearly spearfishing competition at the beach nearest our holiday house. It usually got about twenty entrants, they usually caught about a dozen fish each, and most of those were too small to be good eating and just got left on the beach to rot.
Every year my father, himself a keen recreational spearfisher who would regularly come home from a day on and under the water with two or three local fish for our table, would grumble about the bloody spearfishing comp cleaning out the local reefs again. It eventually just stopped.
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@Polygeekery said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
Me either, but with my last name I try to not make such remarks.
Is "Geekery" a traditional German name?
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@another_sam said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@Polygeekery said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
Me either, but with my last name I try to not make such remarks.
Is "Geekery" a traditional German name?
No, but my real last name is. :P
No, it is not "Hitler". My family has enough common sense to have changed it if it had been.
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@Polygeekery said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
My wife was vegetarian when we married.
Oh, and to be more correct, that was my fault.
We went to the state fair and I called the sheep "Gyros", the pigs "Boston Butt" and other animals by their tastiest names. That started a portion of our lives that I try not to talk about with her. She is now OK with eating meat. She just doesn't want to be reminded of what it is.
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@fbmac said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@cartman82 Kill things to eat is a bad thing that we accept because that's how the world works. Killing for fun is something that I chose not to accept as an OK thing.
Then I wonder... do you also think those people who cutting the fins from sharks and then throwing them back to the sea doing bad thing? Afterall the fins they cut is going to be eaten by someone who purchased it, and the sharks do not die immediately.
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@cheong said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
do you also think those people who cutting the fins from sharks and then throwing them back to the sea doing bad thing?
Do I even need to answer this? Would it be bad if people caught cows, cut their feet off, then left the rest of the cow lying in the paddock to die a slow, painful death?
Filed under: In my head it sounds like the Secret Cow Level in Diablo II
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@cheong By all reports, shark fin soup doesn't even taste of shark fin because shark fin has no taste. It's all about ignorance and status symbols.
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@another_sam said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
@cheong By all reports, shark fin soup doesn't even taste of shark fin because shark fin has no taste. It's all about ignorance and status symbols.
So do selfies (i.e.: the image also conveys the idea of "We can kill a shark") therefore made this comparable.
I'm not saying cutting shark fins to make fins soup is a right thing, merely comparing their cruelness. A shark that got caught don't die immediately, they slowly suffocates because the tissues of gill will stick together when not in water, hence greatly reduce the surface area for breathing.
Btw for most species of sharks, they'll suffocates in water if they stop swimming because they have huge need of oxygen (therefore they need to swim even when they're sleeping)
I'll also add that for previous comments on "catch a fish, take a photo then throwing it back to the sea" is also cruel action. After they got pulling into the air and then put back to the sea, there will still be air bubbles in their gills that makes their respiratory function impaired. Just that if they live long enough, the air bubbles will be eventually absorbed and then they recovers. It's wrong to say those action is less cruel then the others because there would still be severe pain involved.
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@cheong said in Let's cry about a fucking shark:
After they got pulling into the air and then put back to the sea, there will still be air bubbles in their gills that makes their respiratory function impaired.
That's nothing, really, compared to the reason they were eventually reeled in: They fought for their lives, as hard as they can, and now they're so exhausted they can barely swim at all.