Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well
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They've actually been released? I thought they were still in prototype phase
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They've been out for a while, honestly if you are going have a Steam Machine it is better just to make your own mini-itx gaming rig and load Windows on it as you won't be limited your game choices and also you tend to get better performance (due to Linux's 3d sucking)
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@aliceif Jeff talking nonsense again.
Pay £1000 (sorry using real money here not that silly American stuff) for something that is a lot more hassle than a PS4 or Xbox-one.
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@lucas1 This was so predictable an outcome that I can only assume the reason the concept even got this far is because Gabe Newell's reality distortion field is fairly strong, and crappy fly-by-night Chinese OEMs will build basically anything they've given specs for.
I'd like to see sales figures on that dumb touchpad controller thing too. It might be more successful, but considering they're basically resorted to extortion to sell it, I'm guessing not.
"Gee, that Xcom 2 sure would be fun with a controller. Xbox One controller? Nah. That might cause... problems... for your sales. I think as developers, if you know what's good for you, you'd implement Steam controller exclusively."
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@aliceif said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
20 May 2016
It's not cheap at $699, but this tiny box bristles with cutting edge x86 tech:
Quad-core i7-6770HQ CPU (2.6 Ghz / 3.5 Ghz)
Iris Pro Graphics 580 GPU with 128MB eDRAM... he's excited about a 128 MB GPU in 2016?
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@blakeyrat Oh I just read the article more closely. 500,000 is the maximum number of Steam Machines sold, based on controller sales. (Or in other words, they've solve 500,000 controllers and that number includes those packed with Steam Machines.)
In reality, they've probably sold maybe 50,000 Steam Machines at $700 with 1 controller each, and 450,000 $60 stand-alone controllers. $60 is low enough I might buy one on a lark, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that way.
EDIT: oh and BTW, remember why Newell did all this shit in the first place? He thought that Microsoft moving into game distribution with the Windows App Store would kill-off Steam's position in the marketplace. WHAT A SHREWD PREDIC-- oh wait that didn't even come remotely close to happening.
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So he buys a PC in a small box, then adds an external connector to add a GPU.
Why not buy a bigger PC box instead and slot the GPU to the motherboard?
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@blakeyrat I am looking at the Steam Link and only if I can use it with my wireless xbox controller, otherwise I might as well spend the same amount of cash on a 5 metre long HDMI cable.
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@Adynathos I would like this as I have a "primary machine" which is my Windows Battle Rig and I have a MacBook Pro with the same processor and ram as the Battle Rig but it has a older GPU.
An external GPU that I could use with the laptop would be quite nice as it would let me just use the one machine (I only really need one).
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@blakeyrat said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
... he's excited about a 128 MB GPU in 2016?
Ars Technica actually posted some GPU benchmarks of Steam Machines running Steam OS (basically Debian Linux) vs Windows.
In almost every benchmark Windows came out better. So they are crippling the hardware which wasn't that brilliant to begin with with a crappy 3d performance due to the fact that Linux Graphical drivers are an after thought.
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@lucas1 said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
the fact that Linux Graphical drivers are an after thought.
Nvidia's drivers share the same code on Windows and Linux.
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Zotac Geforce GTX660 (2GB) w/ GeForce Game Ready Driver v. 358.91
Obviously not.
I know the GeForce 660 isn't exactly new, but it isn't a bad card. I was quite happily playing most modern games (GTA V and The Witcher) at Medium settings at HD resolutions. I am rocking a 960GTX now which plays everything fine at 1080p without a hit at high to "ultra settings".
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@lucas1 said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
An external GPU that I could use with the laptop would be quite nice as it would let me just use the one machine (I only really need one).
Yes, you need the connector because you can not put the GPU into the laptop.
But buys a brand new PC in a small box, it is not a laptop, and then buys an external GPU connector for it.
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@Adynathos That is because Jeff is a fucking idiot. It wasn't lost on me, I just choose to highlight the useful case, rather than the fucking stupid one presented.
What would be cool is a docking station with something similar built in. The only reason I have a battle rig currently is because I need a huge GPU to play the game I like.
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@blakeyrat said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
he's excited about a 128 MB GPU in 2016?
the eDRAM is more or less just an extra layer of cache; the GPU uses system ram.
Bear in mind that the last few generations of Intel GPUs are actually good at the low end. I have a core i3-2320m laptop that plays GW2 at low graphic quality at a playable framerate. Admittedly that's an edge case (it gets single-digit FPS on Minecraft, for example), but it's cromulent for many light gaming purposes.
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@lucas1 Phoronix seem to disagree (yes, from 2013, but still)
I'll have to test at home. GT960 with Win7 and Linux Mint.
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@Adynathos said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
So he buys a PC in a small box, then adds an external connector to add a GPU.
Why not buy a bigger PC box instead and slot the GPU to the motherboard?I think external hot-swappable GPUs are awesome. Buy one and use it on whichever of your computers you want, then unplug it when you're done to cut down on noise or heat. Share it with your family and friends/roommate. Buy computers with basic graphics cards and plug it in to instantly beef them up, no assembly or disassembly required. It seems extremely convenient to me and I would totally buy one if I had the money.
Of course, if for some reason you plan to only ever have one computer ever, or you want more than one of your computers to have the beefy graphics cards at all times, I'll take your word for it.
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@LB_ This obviously is useful for laptops.
If I had multiple desktops, I would put the best components in one of them and use this one, instead of using many and moving the GPU between them.
Also, taking a GPU out of a PCIE slot is not difficult.
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@Adynathos said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
Also, taking a GPU out of a PCIE slot is not difficult.
If you don't mind opening the case (or leaving it off) all the time, and aren't concerned about wearing out the connection. But laptops are definitely the ideal scenario if you don't mind the small screen and less-than-ideal keyboard.
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@LB_ I plugged a monitor and a keyboard on my laptop
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@fbmac Do you ever unplug all the stuff and take your laptop somewhere else to use it? If so, I guess that makes sense - in fact I have done that myself with my old laptop. I kinda forgot, to be honest. Thanks for reminding me.
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@LB_ I rarely take it anywhere.
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@fbmac said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
I rarely take it anywhere.
INB4: Kinda defeats the purpose of a laptop then, eh?
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@blakeyrat Microsoft has done so well I forgot they even had an app store.
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The problem with steam machines is that they launched late (as expected from valve.), and that even the cheapest steam machines are still 50 dollars more expensive than consoles.
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@TimeBandit said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
Nvidia's drivers share the same code on Windows and Linux.
Fuck Nvidia. With every reboot, there is a chance that some component is replaced by Nouveau's and you have to reinstall the damn thing (it is a shell script). You have to boot to runmode 3, because you cannot use a tty with a half-loaded moduel either.
I think Tegra is blessed with more support from them but if you do not have Tegra justFuck Nvidia
get anything else if you want high-end graphics card on Linux.
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@aliceif How do you interpret this colorful legend:
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Moronix seem to disagree (yes, from 2013, but still)
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@lucas1 Sounds like a character from Asterix…
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@dse said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
You have to boot to runmode 3, because you cannot use a tty with a half-loaded moduel either.
I just stop my DM service and it's fine after that if I have to fiddle with it.
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@Onyx this sort of sillyness is why I bought a Mac for a *nix machine
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@fbmac said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
I rarely take it anywhere.
INB4: Kinda defeats the purpose of a laptop then, eh?
Builtin UPS! My main home machine is a laptop too. My UPS is used to keep the ancient "Windows Home Server" running. (Yes, Win Server 2003 based.)
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@dse said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@TimeBandit said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
Nvidia's drivers share the same code on Windows and Linux.
Fuck Nvidia. With every reboot, there is a chance that some component is replaced by Nouveau's and you have to reinstall the damn thing (it is a shell script). You have to boot to runmode 3, because you cannot use a tty with a half-loaded moduel either.
I think Tegra is blessed with more support from them but if you do not have Tegra justFuck Nvidia
get anything else if you want high-end graphics card on Linux.I've... never seen that happen before, but OK then...
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@sloosecannon said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@dse said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@TimeBandit said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
Nvidia's drivers share the same code on Windows and Linux.
Fuck Nvidia. With every reboot, there is a chance that some component is replaced by Nouveau's and you have to reinstall the damn thing (it is a shell script). You have to boot to runmode 3, because you cannot use a tty with a half-loaded moduel either.
I think Tegra is blessed with more support from them but if you do not have Tegra justFuck Nvidia
get anything else if you want high-end graphics card on Linux.I've... never seen that happen before, but OK then...
Me neither. And I've been using NVIDA GPUs under linux for the better part of 10 years now. Besides, nvidia driver stuff being replaced by nouveau every now and then smells like a distro issue (updates) IMO.
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@cvi said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
Besides, nvidia driver stuff being replaced by nouveau every now and then smells like a distro issue (updates) IMO.
QFT. This has never, ever happened to me in 12 years of using various linux distros on various computers with NVidia cards.
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@blakeyrat said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@aliceif said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
20 May 2016
It's not cheap at $699, but this tiny box bristles with cutting edge x86 tech:
Quad-core i7-6770HQ CPU (2.6 Ghz / 3.5 Ghz)
Iris Pro Graphics 580 GPU with 128MB eDRAM... he's excited about a 128 MB GPU in 2016?
It is multipurpose 50GB/s HBM. I would have rather gotten a laptop with Iris Pro than one with dedicated Nvidia like I actually did, as the HD 530 is almost good enough for my needs; the 580 triples the EUs and pulls >1TFLOP, putting it with the 950M and in the "definitely enough" category.
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@pydsigner Hey look, the Intel employee has arrived.
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@cvi said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@sloosecannon said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@dse said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@TimeBandit said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
Nvidia's drivers share the same code on Windows and Linux.
Fuck Nvidia. With every reboot, there is a chance that some component is replaced by Nouveau's and you have to reinstall the damn thing (it is a shell script). You have to boot to runmode 3, because you cannot use a tty with a half-loaded moduel either.
I think Tegra is blessed with more support from them but if you do not have Tegra justFuck Nvidia
get anything else if you want high-end graphics card on Linux.I've... never seen that happen before, but OK then...
Me neither. And I've been using NVIDA GPUs under linux for the better part of 10 years now.
I never run NVidia driver, but then I do not play games either, nor care about minor glitches. But in our team, at least one person does, and that is where all the problems are seen. Granted I am sure the latest nouveau probably has fixed the glitch he originally saw (1 year ago) and installed NVidia, instead of reporting the issue with nouveau, so it is his fault. That said, fuck NVidia
Besides, nvidia driver stuff being replaced by nouveau every now and then smells like a distro issue (updates) IMO.
It probably is, but who cares, distros suck.
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@dse said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
fuck NVidia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ&ab_channel=SiliconNews
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@blakeyrat said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@pydsigner Hey look, the
Intel employeefailure who has no clue what he's missing out on from not running games on high has arrived.FTFY
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@dse said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
I never run NVidia driver, but then I do not play games either, nor care about minor glitches.
Considering the thread is about Gaming and how the performance sucks on Linux this is like a really retarded comment to make.
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@pydsigner Anything product that has the words "Intel" and "GPU" is automatically shite.
I have a i5 laptop with "intel HD graphics" that can't play Medieval Total War 2 on low settings the game is 9-10 years old.
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@lucas1 said in Expensive ugly PCs that don't play that many games doesn't sell well:
@pydsigner Anything product that has the words "Intel" and "GPU" is automatically shite.
I have a i5 laptop with "intel HD graphics" that can't play Medieval Total War 2 on low settings the game is 9-10 years old.
Which processor exactly? The newer ones aren't as bad as the older ones.
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@pydsigner It doesn't matter really if can't play a really old game on low settings and it was over a half a decade later. My Athlon XP 1700+ with an Ati 9000pro (resolution of 1280x1024) could play the game at medium to high without problems and the system would be 13 years old now. Total War games until Shogun 2 were CPU bound, not GPU bound.
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@lucas1 You can't make a good comparison if you aren't even going to show us what the is that you're comparing this to.
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@pydsigner I did. An Athlon XP 1700+ is a 2003 / 2004 CPU and a Ati 9000pro is a 64mb graphics card from the same year, versus an i5 laptop with a intel GPU from 2011.
It is a CPU bound game and my phone has a faster processor and probably equivalent GPU to a 9000pro. And my i5 laptop couldn't play the game at 1280x800 smoothly (non-native res). It deffo isn't the processor because Rome Total War works fine, which has a older graphics engine but is more or less the same game, so it has to be the GPU or memory. Well my Athlon Machine had 512mb - 1GB and my laptop has 4gb .. so it must be the GPU.
Intel graphics are shite end of.
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@lucas1 my samsung tablet has a better GPU than my laptop i5 intel integrated gpu