Cafeteria Drone WTF



  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    For those, I dig out the change and few bills I keep on hand.
     

    And then start plotting and scheming on how you can make the poor clerk look like an asshole....



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    And then start plotting and scheming on how you can make the poor clerk look like an asshole....

    You need serious help. It doesn't require "plotting and scheming" to pay for something. They have a cash register. It doesn't matter what combination I give -- if they use the register, it will tell the amount to give back. It is their job to give me change. If they are incapable of doing their job, which is the simplest damn job on the planet, they shouldn't be there. They are not getting paid for customers to bend to their limited intelligence or whatever the excuse is. A cash register does all the work. Type in some numbers! It's simple.



  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    It doesn't require "plotting and scheming" to pay for something.
     

    No it definitely doesn't...   ...for the rest of us.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @AbbydonKrafts said:

    So many cashier-types look at me funny when I give them odd amounts (ex: $11.14 for a $10.89 total).
    I've been on the other side of this when working in pubs

    Me: That'll be £10.25 please

    Them: <Hands over a £20>

    Me: Do you have 25p/30p/50p/£1?

    Them: What for? 

    Me: <sod them - I've got brighter customers that need serving in the time it would take to explain.>

     

    And for those who think it wouldn't take that long to explain... If they can't grasp why I'm asking for that change immediately, what makes you think 30+ seconds of explaining will change the status quo?



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @AbbydonKrafts said:
    For those, I dig out the change and few bills I keep on hand.
    And then start plotting and scheming on how you can make the poor clerk look like an asshole....
    My point of view has always been that it's easier for them to return change to me if I give them so-called "odd" amounts. I'm the one doing the in-head math, and the result of this is they have to go through fewer loops in the change-making algorithm when returning my change. The number comes up on the register, I see the change and I adjust the coins I give to maximize the number of bills I get in return (or I pay the exact amount if I have it), and I say the amount I've given. All the cashier has to do is confirm that amount.

    I do this at Subway every time I'm there, which is nearly every day for lunch. I've never been under the impression that I'm humiliating the cashier. It's faster this way, since I can do math in my head while the cashier is putting the sandwich in the bag, and the cashier has to do less thinking later.

    I get the feeling that MPS is antagonizing Abby for no reason other than Abby's not doing it MPS's way. Antagonize him for better reasons like the fact that he is a dirty smoker.



  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    I hate it when that happens. So many cashier-types look at me funny when I give them odd amounts (ex: $11.14 for a $10.89 total). I have to tell them that if they would just type in that amount, they'd see I'm wanting a quarter back. I do it to convert my smaller coins to larger (and fewer) ones.
     

     Shit, If you guys can't see why this is wrong, I either live in another planet, or you guys are a bunch of annoying nerds.



  • @fatdog said:

    Shit, If you guys can't see why this is wrong, I either live in another planet, or you guys are a bunch of annoying nerds.

    Did you read Welbog's reply? Here's the highlight:

    @Welbog said:

    the result of this is they have to go through fewer loops in the change-making algorithm when returning my change.

    One coin is much easier to retrieve than >1, obviously.



  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    @fatdog said:
    Shit, If you guys can't see why this is wrong, I either live in another planet, or you guys are a bunch of annoying nerds.

    Did you read Welbog's reply? Here's the highlight:

    @Welbog said:

    the result of this is they have to go through fewer loops in the change-making algorithm when returning my change.

    One coin is much easier to retrieve than >1, obviously.

     

    That has always been my thought process when doing it, as well. Honestly, I'd never have guessed that someone would've thought this was rude of all things.



  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    Here's the highlight:

    @Welbog said:

    the result of this is they have to go through fewer loops in the change-making algorithm when returning my change.

    One coin is much easier to retrieve than >1, obviously.

    The very fact that Welpog describes it that way should tell you he is literally insane.  It's not the act of retrieving a few more pieces of metal that is a pain, it's having to deal with customers who want to do obnoxious stuff like this.  Seriously, it is a store, not a fucking bank.  If you tried to pull something like that on me, I would take as long as humanly possible to get your change for you.  Heck, maybe you aren't even doing it to make yourself feel good, you're just that isolated from the real world.  Still, getting angry at someone for "not getting it" or giving you "weird looks" is ridiculous.  Personally, I hate getting change anyway and try to find the nearest charity box, tip jar or street urchin to dump it in.  I'm definitely not going to waste the cashier's time trying to "upgrade" my coinage.



  • @devurand said:

    Honestly, I'd never have guessed that someone would've thought this was rude of all things.

    Really, who the fuck are you people?  How can you live on this planet and not realize that you are inconveniencing the cashier?  Lifting a few coins is not a PITA, dealing with a customer who confuses your register for their personal bank is.  You aren't making their life easier at all and you know it.  You cannot be this isolated from humanity, can you?



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @devurand said:

    Honestly, I'd never have guessed that someone would've thought this was rude of all things.

    Really, who the fuck are you people?  How can you live on this planet and not realize that you are inconveniencing the cashier?  Lifting a few coins is not a PITA, dealing with a customer who confuses your register for their personal bank is.  You aren't making their life easier at all and you know it.  You cannot be this isolated from humanity, can you?

     

    When I worked as a cashier at a sub shop, I had people do this every once in a while, and it never bothered me at all. Once or twice, I admit it caught me off guard, in which case I did my job and typed in the amount they gave me into the cash register and then gave them their change. All without the slightest bit of resentment.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    The very fact that Welpog describes it that way should tell you he is literally insane.  It's not the act of retrieving a few more pieces of metal that is a pain, it's having to deal with customers who want to do obnoxious stuff like this.
    Not to mention that, if you've ever looked at modern POS software, they typically have fast-entry options for the price rounded to the nearest dollar and the next 1 or 2 larger bills. For example, if the total is $5.70, you can hand the cashier $6, $10, or maybe even $20 and result in only 1 button press for them. Giving them $6.20 to upgrade to quarters requires them to type the price in, while everyone in line behind you fidgets angrily.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @devurand said:

    Honestly, I'd never have guessed that someone would've thought this was rude of all things.

    Really, who the fuck are you people?  How can you live on this planet and not realize that you are inconveniencing the cashier?  Lifting a few coins is not a PITA, dealing with a customer who confuses your register for their personal bank is.  You aren't making their life easier at all and you know it.  You cannot be this isolated from humanity, can you?

     

    How is this inconveniencing the cashier?  Besides the fact that *it's their job*, there's no difference between:

    1. Count money (round amount) --> type in amount --> count change (odd amount) --> hand change to customer

    and 

    2. Count money (odd amount) --> type in amount --> count change (round amount) --> hand change to customer

    Unless they're the impatient ones who punch in the round dollar amount while you're saying "wait, I have coins", and then get pissed because they have to do math in their heads.

     



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Really, who the fuck are you people?  How can you live on this planet and not realize that you are inconveniencing the cashier?  Lifting a few coins is not a PITA, dealing with a customer who confuses your register for their personal bank is.  You aren't making their life easier at all and you know it.  You cannot be this isolated from humanity, can you?
    Actually (as I have worked as a cashier for a few years) I particularly found it beneficial to have customers who want large coins back, since the majority of the products that I sold were less than 2 dollars. Having to open more coin rolls is a pain (in the middle of a long rush), but having a fair number of the customers ask for larger coins made a significant difference. I can only compare because some days we'd have about 20% of the customers do this, others none at all.



  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    @fatdog said:
    Shit, If you guys can't see why this is wrong, I either live in another planet, or you guys are a bunch of annoying nerds.

    Did you read Welbog's reply? Here's the highlight:

    @Welbog said:

    the result of this is they have to go through fewer loops in the change-making algorithm when returning my change.

    One coin is much easier to retrieve than >1, obviously.

     

    Your math is right.  Your thought process makes sense in a logical way.  We could assume there is nothing wrong with this, so why would a cashier give you a weird look?

    He must be stupid, and is not skilled enough to be allowed to work on that job. 

    Do you still not see what's wrong here? A hint: Your attitude.

    I was going to expand on this, but I got an urgent task to get done so I'm going to summarize.   

    Assuming this cashier is a human being. In my planet there
    is more than math and logic when interacting whith human beings.

    So what might seem logical in your geek oriented mind, could make no sense to other people. Or maybe they just don't give a fuck about you, or their job. Or they just started that job and are not comfortable with the machine. Or maybe they have migraine, or they might be very habit oriented, and don't take well changing their routines.. 

    There are thousands of  reasons why you should not "hate it" when someone gives you a weird look for paying a 10.89 bill with 11.14. 

    People minds are not computers. You can't expect to give a command and expect a predictable results. 

    Of course this is all my fault. When someone talks about a cashier giving change in terms of processes, loops and algorithms, I should not expect much from their social or emotional intelligence. Maybe they have those too, I just don't expect them to.

     



  • @fatdog said:

    Assuming this cashier is a human being. In my planet there is more than math and logic when interacting whith human beings.

    So what might seem logical in your geek oriented mind, could make no sense to other people. Or maybe they just don't give a fuck about you, or their job. Or they just started that job and are not comfortable with the machine. Or maybe they have migraine, or they might be very habit oriented, and don't take well changing their routines.. 

    There are thousands of  reasons why you should not "hate it" when someone gives you a weird look for paying a 10.89 bill with 11.14. 

    People minds are not computers. You can't expect to give a command and expect a predictable results. 

    Of course this is all my fault. When someone talks about a cashier giving change in terms of processes, loops and algorithms, I should not expect much from their social or emotional intelligence. Maybe they have those too, I just don't expect them to.

    I think that very nicely sums up my feelings on it.  When you do something like this, you are inconveniencing someone and you are being anti-social.



  • @Lingerance said:

    Actually (as I have worked as a cashier for a few years) I particularly found it beneficial to have customers who want large coins back, since the majority of the products that I sold were less than 2 dollars. Having to open more coin rolls is a pain (in the middle of a long rush), but having a fair number of the customers ask for larger coins made a significant difference. I can only compare because some days we'd have about 20% of the customers do this, others none at all.
     

    Right, and then the customer behind that one notices it, gets angry and says something to you and you end up balled up in a corner sobbing your little eyes out... we all know how this story ends.



  • @cconroy said:

    Besides the fact that *it's their job*...

    Being your own personal fucking bank is not their job.  They are there to complete the transaction, not help you get rid of coins you don't like.  If they do, then they are going above the call of duty.



  • @fatdog said:

    When someone talks about a cashier giving change in terms of processes, loops and algorithms, I should not expect much from their social or emotional intelligence.
    Having never been a cashier I can't fully answer this question myself, but if one's job is to take cash and make change day in day out, wouldn't one naturally come up with a consistent system for doing it as mindlessly and painlessly as possible?

    On the other hand I'm aware of situations in which being anal about change is a bad thing. Like in a taxi, if it comes to $13, I'll give the driver a $20 and ask for $5 back. This saves us both time and provides a very simple way to calculate a tip. Or in the $10.89 situation, I'd give $10.89 or $20.89, depending on whether I had a $10 or a $20 note. If I only had $.14 in change in my pocket, I'd just give a $20. I would expect weird looks from a cashier if I gave $11.14 for a $10.89, because that is weird.

    I suppose on the scale from Abby to fatdog, I'm somewhere in the centre.



  • @fatdog said:

    @AbbydonKrafts said:

    @fatdog said:
    Shit, If you guys can't see why this is wrong, I either live in another planet, or you guys are a bunch of annoying nerds.

    Did you read Welbog's reply? Here's the highlight:

    @Welbog said:

    the result of this is they have to go through fewer loops in the change-making algorithm when returning my change.

    One coin is much easier to retrieve than >1, obviously.

     

    Your math is right.  Your thought process makes sense in a logical way.  We could assume there is nothing wrong with this, so why would a cashier give you a weird look?

    He must be stupid, and is not skilled enough to be allowed to work on that job. 

    Do you still not see what's wrong here? A hint: Your attitude.

    I was going to expand on this, but I got an urgent task to get done so I'm going to summarize.   

    Assuming this cashier is a human being. In my planet there
    is more than math and logic when interacting whith human beings.

    So what might seem logical in your geek oriented mind, could make no sense to other people. Or maybe they just don't give a fuck about you, or their job. Or they just started that job and are not comfortable with the machine. Or maybe they have migraine, or they might be very habit oriented, and don't take well changing their routines.. 

    There are thousands of  reasons why you should not "hate it" when someone gives you a weird look for paying a 10.89 bill with 11.14. 

    People minds are not computers. You can't expect to give a command and expect a predictable results. 

    Of course this is all my fault. When someone talks about a cashier giving change in terms of processes, loops and algorithms, I should not expect much from their social or emotional intelligence. Maybe they have those too, I just don't expect them to.

    Most cash register will display the chnage, so although it is somewhat annoying to have to count the money given, they do not need todo any subtraction anyway. I have even seen a cash register which said which coins to give as change. If the cashier has to work it out by himself, if you give him some small change and don't tell him what you are doing, he is likely to just give you even more small change back.  



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @cconroy said:

    Besides the fact that *it's their job*...

    Being your own personal fucking bank is not their job.  They are there to complete the transaction, not help you get rid of coins you don't like.  If they do, then they are going above the call of duty.

     

    Seriously, if someone did that to me I would give them all fucking pennies and nickels and shit.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @cconroy said:

    Besides the fact that *it's their job*...

    Being your own personal fucking bank is not their job.  They are there to complete the transaction, not help you get rid of coins you don't like.  If they do, then they are going above the call of duty.

    Please explain how that's not completing the transaction.

    And okay, fine, let's say you get such harsh glares from the cashier and death threats from the other customers that you decide from now on to only pay in bills.  Now after a few transactions you're walking around with a pocketful of small change and have the opportunity to spend it on a small item.  Is the same cashier going to complain now because they have to count up all your pennies and nickels to make the purchase?  Because they can't have it both ways.   



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @cconroy said:

    Besides the fact that *it's their job*...

    Being your own personal fucking bank is not their job.  They are there to complete the transaction, not help you get rid of coins you don't like.  If they do, then they are going above the call of duty.

     

    Seriously, if someone did that to me I would give them all fucking pennies and nickels and shit.

     

    So for a sale of $.76, you'd rather count out 24 cents change than have me give you an extra penny and just give me back a quarter?



  • @stinch said:

    @Huf Lungdung said:

    $11.14 - $10.89 = $0.25 (fixed) isn't immediately obvious. I have to think about it for a few seconds.

    Took me 1 and a half minutes with the help of knowing the answer. If the numbers where not written down next to each other and I was under some pressure there is a good chance I would not be able to work it out.

     

     

    I find that it helps to break the numbers down into smaller, more manageable parts if you're doing it in your head. I see this as:

     

    $11.14 - $11.00 = $00.14

    $11.00 - $10.89 = $00.11 

    $00.14  + $00.11 = $00.25

     

    That way I'm essentially only working with two digits to add/subtract here.

     

    Does this make sense to anyone else? I break things up like this while multiplying and dividing, too, and generally don't have problems figuring out addition/subtraction up to maybe 5 or 6 digits and multiplication/division up to about 3 or 4 digits in my head in less than a minute. 



  • @cconroy said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @cconroy said:

    Besides the fact that *it's their job*...

    Being your own personal fucking bank is not their job.  They are there to complete the transaction, not help you get rid of coins you don't like.  If they do, then they are going above the call of duty.

     

    Seriously, if someone did that to me I would give them all fucking pennies and nickels and shit.

     

    So for a sale of $.76, you'd rather count out 24 cents change than have me give you an extra penny and just give me back a quarter?

     

    I think we can easily separate this thread into people who have held these kinds of blue collar jobs (bitter on the side of the cashier), and those who haven't (bitter on the side of the customer).

    I tend to side with the customer because I've worked harder to get where I am and to be able to be that customer. Also, I am paying the business to complete my transaction, while the cashier is being paid to complete it. Sure, sometimes I may crap sour grapes because of the things I have to do at work, but I do them anyway, and save my frustration for later, when I'm not on the clock.

     *dons flame retardent garb and stands underneath the halon vent*

     

    EDIT: Keep in mind I am not insinuating that those who have worked in these kinds of positions haven't worked as hard as I have... I think that if we're all IT people here, then we've all probably worked pretty hard to get where we are. I just had the good fortune in high school of being a fencing instructor instead of having to hold down a job at the local Dairy Queen during the summer.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @cconroy said:

    Besides the fact that *it's their job*...

    Being your own personal fucking bank is not their job.  They are there to complete the transaction, not help you get rid of coins you don't like.  I

     

    Their job is to accept legal tender unless otherwise posted (e.g., no $100). 



  • @cconroy said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @cconroy said:

    Besides the fact that *it's their job*...

    Being your own personal fucking bank is not their job.  They are there to complete the transaction, not help you get rid of coins you don't like.  If they do, then they are going above the call of duty.

     

    Seriously, if someone did that to me I would give them all fucking pennies and nickels and shit.

     

    So for a sale of $.76, you'd rather count out 24 cents change than have me give you an extra penny and just give me back a quarter?

     

    Speaking as someone who has done about 10 years in retail, cashiers generally prefer getting small change in a transaction, it prevents us from having to order up new rolls of coin (a.k.a.: waking up the manager) for our drawer.  They are not being someone's "personal fucking bank" they are doing their job.  If I ever heard that one of my employees had ever given a customer "all fucking pennies and nickels and shit," there would be a shiny new writeup wating for them at the end of their shift if not sooner. 



  • @operagost said:

    Their job is to accept legal tender unless otherwise posted (e.g., no $100).

    They can accept anything the store wants.  I don't know why you mention "legal tender" as that has nothing to do with this.  You could have said "cash" but instead you had to bust out "legal tender" and look like a fool.  Anyway, accepting cash still doesn't make them your bank.  The fact that it's their job to deal with obnoxious customers doesn't mean you aren't still a dick.  See, it's also their job to deal with people who are rude, moronic and have a foul odor but that doesn't mean you can just stop showering.



  • @cconroy said:

    So for a sale of $.76, you'd rather count out 24 cents change than have me give you an extra penny and just give me back a quarter?
     

    Read abbydonkrafts post. He is not doing anything this simple.



  • @Hek said:

    Speaking as someone who has done about 10 years in retail, cashiers generally prefer getting small change in a transaction, it prevents us from having to order up new rolls of coin (a.k.a.: waking up the manager) for our drawer.  They are not being someone's "personal fucking bank" they are doing their job.  If I ever heard that one of my employees had ever given a customer "all fucking pennies and nickels and shit," there would be a shiny new writeup wating for them at the end of their shift if not sooner.

    Just because you're an abusive boss doesn't mean people should have to put up with your shit.  From the last sentence alone I can conclude your employees secretly wish they could dance on your grave but they need the job so don't say anything.  Also, you imply that you are a manager and that getting new rolls involves "waking up the manager", so I am forced to conclude you are incredibly lazy as well. 



  • @PerdidoPunk said:

    I've worked harder to get where I am and to be able to be that customer
     

    You worked hard to be an asshole to clerks? WTF is wrong with you?

    Also, you don't know that you worked any harder than anyone else. How very elitist of you.

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    Also, I am paying the business to complete my transaction

    No you aren't. You are paying for the product(s) they are selling you. 

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    I think that if we're all IT people here, then we've all probably worked pretty hard to get where we are

    You are not anymore hardworking because you are in IT than anyone else.

    IT has to be one of the easiest/laziest fields you could strive for. I would say a coal miner has worked a helluva lot hard than you ever will.

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    I just had the good fortune in high school of being a fencing instructor instead of having to hold down a job at the local Dairy Queen during the summer.

    I think working at DQ for a summer would have been good for you... maybe a litte humility would have been instilled.



  • I worked as a minimum wage cashier, and I found that the much more prevailant problem was the customers "poor cashier math".

    Often they would "try to help me out" and give me odds amount of change. Like if something is .98, they would give me 1.02 for some reason. I found very few people (customers) that could do basic equations in their head unless the total ended in '.00'.


     

     

     



  • @chadsexington said:

    Like if something is .98, they would give me 1.02 for some reason.
    What's the big deal? Just give them a 4-cent piece and get on with it already. Jeez! I can't stand these uppity, incompetent cashiers!



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @cconroy said:

    So for a sale of $.76, you'd rather count out 24 cents change than have me give you an extra penny and just give me back a quarter?
     

    Read abbydonkrafts post. He is not doing anything this simple.

     

    It's the same concept, though.  Either you buy into it or you don't.  Of course some situations work out more neatly than others, but the point is that the cashier needs to be prepared for it.

    I will say, too, that it's not something I always do.  Sometimes there's a fast-moving line and you don't want to hold things up by spending time counting.   Today my lunch was $6.45.  I paid with a ten, even though I could have fished out two more singles and given her $12.  My wallet is a bit fatter than it could be, but at the moment it's not a big deal. (The difference here, too, is that there are more places where you can likely use smaller bills but not larger ones -- like a vending machine -- but for coins, the reverse is true.)



  • @Hek said:



    If I ever heard that one of my employees had ever given a customer "all fucking pennies and nickels and shit," there would be a shiny new writeup wating for them at the end of their shift if not sooner. 

     

    I bet you feel very happy with yourself.  And sorry, I'm not a native english speaker nor live in an english speaking country.. so WTF is a "writeup"? Is that some kind of discipline shit like they do to kids in school?

    Do you mean you actually go and write something down? 

    Oh boy, this is starting to become amusing. 

     



  • Yeah, I was expecting this one...

     

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    I've worked harder to get where I am and to be able to be that customer
     

    You worked hard to be an asshole to clerks? WTF is wrong with you?

    Also, you don't know that you worked any harder than anyone else. How very elitist of you.

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    Also, I am paying the business to complete my transaction

    No you aren't. You are paying for the product(s) they are selling you. 

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    I think that if we're all IT people here, then we've all probably worked pretty hard to get where we are

    You are not anymore hardworking because you are in IT than anyone else.

    IT has to be one of the easiest/laziest fields you could strive for. I would say a coal miner has worked a helluva lot hard than you ever will.

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    I just had the good fortune in high school of being a fencing instructor instead of having to hold down a job at the local Dairy Queen during the summer.

    I think working at DQ for a summer would have been good for you... maybe a litte humility would have been instilled.

     

     

    Obligatory rebuttals:

    1) I'm very courteous on checkout lines, and whenever a clerk doesn't understand why I gave them an odd amount of money, I politely explain that I'm looking for certain denominations back. If they can't do that for me, I don't hassle them. My gripe is when the bitter cashiers on the NJ Turnpike or Garden State Parkway give me a giant handful of nickels and pennies or some nonsense when I've given them the exact right amount of change to expect a quarter back. Still, I say, "thank you," and move on...

    2) Hmmmmm, I really do think that striving to remain at the top of the class through 12 years of grade school, and then completing 157 undergraduate credits with a double major in Electrical/Computer Engineering and Computer Science in 4 years and managing to graduate Cum Laude with divisional honors in CS does qualify as working a lot harder than someone who put forth perhaps little or a mediocre amount of effort in school. Don't try to tell me that some people just don't have the capability or intelligence to do well and achieve; barring the mentally handicapped, I don't believe that for a moment.

    3) I don't know about the rest of you people, but I have a passion for Computer Science and I intend to pursue all of my opportunities to the fullest, including the pursuit of an advanced degree, and hopefully eventually a research position at a major university. I have a lot of goals set out for myself in this field, and I really don't see how all the hard work I've put in so far and plan to put forth in the future qualifies as "lazy." 

    4) The issue here isn't a lack of humility. I was pointing out that people who have worked in retail jobs side with the retail clerk because they know what it's like to deal with the asshole customer. At the same time, people who haven't worked in that position sympathize with the customer, who is frustrated by the often lackadaisical and/or disrespectful attitude adopted by retail clerks who are either underqualified or disgruntled. The fact that it's a minimum wage job considered to be "unskilled labor" doesn't excuse gross incompetence. Those who choose not to apply themselves in school to learn basic mathematical concepts are doing so by choice, and perhaps they shouldn't be picking jobs where those same skills they view with such disdain are the prerequisite for satisfactory performance. The only exception to this point that I can think of are those who might be mentally handicapped in some way, in which case it is usually fairly obvious that they are operating at a disadvantage. Perhaps they shouldn't be placed in jobs for which the requirements clearly outpace their mental capabilities. This isn't a put-down; if you can't do math, don't get a job doing math. There are plenty of other jobs out there for all sorts of people.

     



  • This thread surprised me - on average you guys are being nicer about this than I expected.  I've read similar discussions on Usenet that were pretty scathing about the poor idiot clerks and how they didn't deserve to live.  Well, of course that's Usenet for you.

    Anyway, nobody's mentioned this yet so I will.  When I was in college lo these many eons ago, I worked fast food to support myself.  My mom taught me (and drilled me) how to count change, so I had no problem doing that.  My only problem were the guys who paid with odd amounts expecting certain denominations back, like a few of you here.  The problem was that 99% of these customers came into the transaction with the attitude that they were testing to see how stupid I was.  They didn't nicely say "here's twenty bucks, can I have a fiver and two quarters back?"  No, they just let me count the change and then scathingly rebuked me for being stupid.

    Even worse, and I realize that no customer will think of this...  How should an already confused clerk with a long line of customers staring her down supposed to tell the difference between an impatient/obnoxious but honest customer, and a scammer.  Because you'd better believe there are people out there who do try variations on the old "I gave you ten.  You owe me a five, three ones, ten quarters and a dime".  I used to refuse to hand back what they told me and try to work it out in my head to make sure they weren't scammers.  Of course this always made them even madder.



  • I should add that it's all in the attitude.  In the two years i worked fast food, not one of these customers ever nicely explained what he wanted or why.  The more hostile they were the more I suspected they were scammers, too.



  • @jetcitywoman said:

    The problem was that 99% of these customers came into the transaction with the attitude that they were testing to see how stupid I was.  They didn't nicely say "here's twenty bucks, can I have a fiver and two quarters back?"  No, they just let me count the change and then scathingly rebuked me for being stupid.
     

    This was exactly my point, thank you. People like abbydonkrafts and perdidopunk are so full of themselves that they feel they have the right to demean people for no reason. 

    The clerk is likely not as dumb as you think. Shit, they might be working fast food to put themselves through their PHD courses in astrophysics. You just don't know.

     

    The fact is, the clerk is not the idiot. The person who feels it necessary to demean the clerk this way is. 



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @jetcitywoman said:

    The problem was that 99% of these customers came into the transaction with the attitude that they were testing to see how stupid I was.  They didn't nicely say "here's twenty bucks, can I have a fiver and two quarters back?"  No, they just let me count the change and then scathingly rebuked me for being stupid.
     

    This was exactly my point, thank you. People like abbydonkrafts and perdidopunk are so full of themselves that they feel they have the right to demean people for no reason. 

    The clerk is likely not as dumb as you think. Shit, they might be working fast food to put themselves through their PHD courses in astrophysics. You just don't know.

     

    The fact is, the clerk is not the idiot. The person who feels it necessary to demean the clerk this way is. 

     

     So wait. According to you, is just the act of giving them the "odd" amount demeaning? Because unlike the jerks in jetcitywoman's story, if the cashier doesn't get it, I just politely tell them "it should be 10 even back, that's why I gave you 12 cent." or whatnot.



  •  @cconroy said:

    So for a sale of $.76, you'd rather count out 24 cents change than have me give you an extra penny and just give me back a quarter?

    Imagining myself a cashier, paid with $1, I would give back the 10¢, 10¢, the 5¢ and fuck the cent because who the hell pays with cents anymore.

    But here we have a 20¢ coin and abandoned the 1¢ real quicklike after it was introduced in 2002, so it's even easier.

    In my country, the cashiers specifically ask for extra change so they can return larger bills or coins.

    Do you have a 10¢ with that? 

    Sure, hold on. 

    money <=> goods.

    joy++ 



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    People like abbydonkrafts and perdidopunk are so full of themselves that they feel they have the right to demean people for no reason.

    Get over it. There's nothing demeaning about using change. I rarely have to tell the cashier what to expect back since the cash register tells them what the change is. I've already explained the type that I don't respect. Also, I definitely don't count out change if there's a line waiting.



    If small change wasn't meant to be spent, then the US needs to take it out of circulation. Until then, I'll keep using it if it's given to me as change.



  • @devurand said:

    if the cashier doesn't get it, I just politely tell them "it should be 10 even back, that's why I gave you 12 cent." or whatnot.
     

    Why not be polite in general and just tell them upfront what you expect? 



  • @devurand said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    ... .... 

     

     So wait. According to you, is just the act of giving them the "odd" amount demeaning? Because unlike the jerks in jetcitywoman's story, if the cashier doesn't get it, I just politely tell them "it should be 10 even back, that's why I gave you 12 cent." or whatnot.

     

     Oh boy..  did you even read the whole thread? 



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @devurand said:

    if the cashier doesn't get it, I just politely tell them "it should be 10 even back, that's why I gave you 12 cent." or whatnot.
     

    Why not be polite in general and just tell them upfront what you expect? 

     

    Never occurred to me. Though, I might do that next time. 



  • @MasterPIanSoftware said:

    <FONT color=#698d73>Trying to tag my post as a troll is pretty pointless. I have not seen any trolling in this thread yet. So STFU.</FONT>
    He stole my avatar, too.

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Why not be polite in general and just tell them upfront what you expect?
    I've honestly never met a cashier who has not immediately understood that when I give the same amount in coins after the decimal place that I'm after bills instead of coins, though I usually announce the sum of the coins I'm handing over so that they don't have to guess about it.



  • @Welbog said:

    though I usually announce the sum of the coins I'm handing over so that they don't have to guess about it.
    They don't have to guess about it anyway: cashiers are capable of basic math, too, you insensitive clod!



  • @Welbog said:

    @MasterPIanSoftware said:

    <font color="#698d73">Trying to tag my post as a troll is pretty pointless. I have not seen any trolling in this thread yet. So STFU.</font>
    He stole my avatar, too.

     

    That was an accident actually. I just haven't gotten around to changing it again.



  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    There's nothing demeaning about using change.
     

    There is with the way you do it. Multiple people besides me have argued this too, how many will it take to convince you? 

    @AbbydonKrafts said:

    I rarely have to tell the cashier what to expect back

    That is because you like to be cruel to them. Haven't you read any other posts here? How about JetCityWoman's?

    @AbbydonKrafts said:

    Also, I definitely don't count out change if there's a line waiting.

    That is good, because there are a lot of people who would smack you in the back of the head for abusing a clerk like that.

    @AbbydonKrafts said:

    I'll keep using it if it's given to me as change.

    Then use it responsibly and stop trying to stroke your ego by make it more complex than it needs to be.

     

    BTW - you don't look down on people? You sure seem to. You even look down on our very own moderators:  <AbbydonKrafts> Err.. how old is Michael [Casadevall]? That log looks like he doesn't know how to do anything.

    I mean, christ, show some respect, huh?



  • @devurand said:

    Never occurred to me. Though, I might do that next time. 
     

    I would love to think that this thread could have made the world a better place in at least some small way.

     

    At least you are being more of a man than abbydonkrafts by admitting you could be a little nicer and improve yourself.

    Thank you, bravo.


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