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A snapshot of the Windows 98 Starts Here CD-ROM. The cover says at the bottom: “The address of the Microsoft Press site on the Internet is…”
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TRWTF is that you still have a Win98 CD-ROM :-D
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@apetrelli said:
TRWTF is that you still have a Win98 CD-ROM :-D
I've got a sealed copy of Win3.1, open copy of GeoWorks Ensemble, and the original 3.5" install disks for Windows 95. :-P
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
@apetrelli said:
You're right; that's TRWTF.TRWTF is that you still have a Win98 CD-ROM :-D
I've got a sealed copy of Win3.1, open copy of GeoWorks Ensemble, and the original 3.5" install disks for Windows 95. :-P
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I remember *making* 3.5" install floppies for Win95 from the .cab files in the windows setup folder.
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My "Oldest O/S Contest" Entry
MS DOS 1.1 on a 5.25" Floppy with the original IBM packaged label on it.
Do I win?
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@medialint said:
MS DOS 1.1 on a 5.25" Floppy with the original IBM packaged label on it.
Do I win?
Nope, Original 3" CP/M disk
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@hallo.amt said:
@medialint said:
MS DOS 1.1 on a 5.25" Floppy with the original IBM packaged label on it.
Do I win?
Nope, Original 3" CP/M disk
Ooooo.. Gimme!
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@hallo.amt said:
@medialint said:
I have a copy of the original installation instructions for the universe. (Though it is a localised version)MS DOS 1.1 on a 5.25" Floppy with the original IBM packaged label on it. Do I win?
Nope, Original 3" CP/M disk
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I've got a couple cartridges for TRS-80 PC's. I wasn't even born when these things were sold...
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@medialint said:
MS DOS 1.1 on a 5.25" Floppy with the original IBM packaged label on it.
Do I win?
Not sure, do we have anyone with a pdp11 or a commodore 64?
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@Kain0_0 said:
Not sure, do we have anyone with a pdp11 or a commodore 64?
I own a VIC-20 with an expansion card and some other stuff.
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@Kain0_0 said:
Not sure, do we have anyone with a pdp11 or a commodore 64?
I have a C64, and I have the dot matrix printouts of most major program I ever wrote on it.
(A z80 assembler compiler)
Does that count?
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@Kain0_0 said:
Not sure, do we have anyone with a pdp11 or a commodore 64?
I've got two Commodore 64s! (A C64 C with not-so-terribly-stellarly-working power connection, which means the sound doesn't work that well unless the power cable is plugged in just right, and a perfectly working C64 G.) I also have a VIC-20 and Spectravideo SVI-318. And an Amiga 500 that has a power supply but no cables, mouse or AmigaOS floppy (I have a legit copy of those on CD-ROM, but they're apparently only licensed for emulator use).
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@medialint said:
MS DOS 1.1 on a 5.25" Floppy with the original IBM packaged label on it.
I have a MS-DOS 3.3 box somewhere, together with huge manuals. Not sealed anymore, because I was interested what's in the box a few years ago.
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@medialint said:
MS DOS 1.1 on a 5.25" Floppy with the original IBM packaged label on it.
That reminds me. While I was at Miami University, my college (Engineering/Applied Science) made a deal with this "academic alliance" to get all of us students free software. I got a whole bunch of products made by Microsoft, with the most notable exception being Office. In there, yes, I could download DOS 6.22, and yes, I did.
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@belgariontheking said:
While I was at Miami University, my college (Engineering/Applied Science) made a deal with this "academic alliance" to get all of us students free software. I got a whole bunch of products made by Microsoft, with the most notable exception being Office. In there, yes, I could download DOS 6.22, and yes, I did.
That's MSDNAA and it's fairly standard for a university to provide MSDNAA access to its technology students. The only Microsoft software not provided through MSDNAA is MS Office. All software obtained through MSDNAA is for noncommercial use only.
See, that way they get you hooked on their software so that when you get out into the real world, you have to buy it to keep using it.
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@Heron said:
The only Microsoft software not provided through MSDNAA is MS Office.
I figured there were more omissions than that, but I seriously don't know enough about MS to know.Question: If I have IIS, .NET Framework, and VS.NET, is there anything else I need to start creating, say, ASP.NET sites? Is this really as stupid a question as it sounds?
@Heron said:
See, that way they get you hooked on their software so that when you get out into the real world, you have to buy it to keep using it.
or in my case, it means I finally get a legit license for win2k and multiple legit licenses for XP.
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@belgariontheking said:
Question: If I have IIS, .NET Framework, and VS.NET, is there anything else I need to start creating, say, ASP.NET sites? Is this really as stupid a question as it sounds?
Besides knowledge how to use it? No you should have everything.
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I second that. Though I suggest upgrading to VS 2005 or 2008 so you can use the IDE with .NET 3.5.
As far as I know, if you get a software license via MSDNAA, it's yours forever. You can keep using it even after you graduate. There'll probably be a newer version of whatever you got when you do graduate or soon after, though, and you won't be able to get licenses for that. Also, as Heron mentioned, these licenses are for non commercial use only.
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Doesn't matter too much that it's for non-commercial use only - the compilers and build tools are part of the .NET Framework, not Visual Studio, so you just hand compile them and voila!
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@Kyanar said:
Doesn't matter too much that it's for non-commercial use only - the compilers and build tools are part of the .NET Framework, not Visual Studio, so you just hand compile them and voila!
Yeah, good luck hand compiling a full, large project or even a mildly complex asp.net site.
BTK, use what you have or spring for the standard edition if you cannot accomplish what you need in the free versions.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
Yeah, good luck hand compiling a full, large project or even a mildly complex asp.net site.
I'm not really interested in anything complex, just enough to teach me the language, especially since it's only licensed for non-commercial use. I hear it's not as good as this other language, though, called CF. ASP.NET is full of buffer overflow issues and segfaults and fail whereas CF isn't.@MasterPlanSoftware said:
BTK, use what you have or spring for the standard edition if you cannot accomplish what you need in the free versions.
I got all this stuff in 2005, so it's decently current. Thanks for the help!
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That's MSDNAA and it's fairly standard for a university to provide MSDNAA access to its technology students.
Indeed... I got a copy of Visual Studio 2008 Professional via MSDNAA. Also, even though the MSDNAA site is on a remote server (http://msdn70.e-academy.com/au_37770 in my case), the downloads themselves are on a server that's on-campus. So I got the stuff at LAN speeds :D.
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@Kyanar said:
Doesn't matter too much that it's for non-commercial use only - the compilers and build tools are part of the .NET Framework, not Visual Studio, so you just hand compile them and voila!
[url="http://www.microsoft.com/express/product/default.aspx"]If only Visual Studio was free[/url]......oh wait
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@Capital said:
If only Visual Studio was free......oh wait
You do realize that there are plenty of differences between Express and the other editions, right? I use Express at work and Professional at home. I can see the differences.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
You do realize that there are plenty of differences between Express and the other editions, right? I use Express at work and Professional at home. I can see the differences.
Hmmm, last time I used the professional version it was 2005, as for what exactly is different for the paid version, I have no clue, apart from the "Team" things.
At this time I really wouldn't know the benefit of having pro for private use.Enlighten me.
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@Capital said:
Hmmm, last time I used the professional version it was 2005, as for what exactly is different for the paid version, I have no clue, apart from the "Team" things.
Team has its own edition. Professional doesn't have any "Team" things.
@Capital said:
At this time I really wouldn't know the benefit of having pro for private use.
Because I develop software at home that's more complex than what I do at work. Also, I like having powerful tools in case I need the functionality.
@Capital said:
Enlighten me.
Microsoft can do that for you. Go look at the feature comparison.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
@Capital said:
If only Visual Studio was free......oh wait
You do realize that there are plenty of differences between Express and the other editions, right? I use Express at work and Professional at home. I can see the differences.
Yes, yes, we all know you use VS.
BTK clearly said he just wants to learn ASP.NET and do some quick projects.
There is no reason he cannot use Web Developer Express to accomplish this and learn the technology. That is, after all, the entire point of the express editions.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
There is no reason he cannot use Web Developer Express to accomplish this and learn the technology.
I didn't say he couldn't. I was replying to Capital's snarky remark about VS being free.
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
Filed under: Another reply without reading the discussion.
I read it just fine, but replied to someone else who decided to chime in with sarcasm.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
I didn't say he couldn't.
I know, you made a completely unrelated post to the discussion.
@AbbydonKrafts said:
I was replying to Capital's snarky remark about VS being free.
It is free. Especially for the issue at hand.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
I read it just fine, but replied to someone else who decided to chime in with sarcasm.
Perhaps you just read it wrong? I read it as a nice link to the express editions in case someone didn't know about them.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
I know, you made a completely unrelated post to the discussion.
Exactly how is replying to Capital's post about VS being free "unrelated" ?
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
It is free.
Technically, no it's not. "Visual Studio" requires payment. There isn't an Express edition. Only individual languages have Express.
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
Filed under: If you use it at work then that is TRWTF. Dont let your pent up work aggression go here.
I made a perfectly sane reply to Capital, then you come along and speak for him. Also, by saying that I use Express at work only illustrates that it is perfectly usable for learning purposes.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
I read it as a nice link to the express editions in case someone didn't know about them.
Let's break it down:
@Capital said:
If only Visual Studio was free......oh wait
That wording is used by all of us for sarcasm. If it was a nice link, it would've been worded more like this:
@Hypothetical said:
You can get the Express editions for free. They are perfectly suitable for learning and don't have usage limitations.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
blah blah blah
It was very clear that he quoted the dumbass who was recommending to btk that he should just hand compile everything with the compilers that come with the framework.
He replied that before you would go and do that, you could just use the express editions.
You jump off the deep end and decide to 'sk00l the n00b' on VS based on one post.
You could have just read the discussion and understood it first.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
Explanation of sarcasm
Thanks, I didn't know what sarcasm is. My life will be a lot more enjoyable now, thanks to you.
He made a sarcastic comment with useful information.
I don't know if you have noticed, but sarcasm is one of the staples of this forum.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
Thanks, I didn't know what sarcasm is. My life will be a lot more enjoyable now, thanks to you.
What kind of idiot doesn't know what sarcasm is? You should have learned that in grammar school. Also, sarcasm doesn't make your life more enjoyable, take my word on it. You probably just want to avoid the whole mess, lest you end up a bitter, lonely alcoholic who spends most of his time repressing homosexual urges he can't bring himself to confront by mocking foreigners on Internet message boards.
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@morbiuswilters said:
You should have learned that in grammar school.
Grammer skool?! I ain't need you's fancy book lernin!
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@morbiuswilters said:
You should have learned that in grammar school.
Damn these American skools! If only we had an education system like the Netherlands, or Britain!
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
It was very clear that he quoted the dumbass who was recommending to btk that he should just hand compile everything with the compilers that come with the framework.
First of all, fuck you. Now that we're past that, I said you only need to hand compile [i]if you want to use Express versions for commercial use[/i] (since apparently there are people who love money but for whom time has no value).
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While at a local op shop a few years ago (this in a small town more than an hours drive from the city), I found a boxed, shrinkwrapped copy of VisualPerfect 5.1, as well as a boxed but not shrinkwrapped copy of WordPerfect 5.1. Had the full complement of 3.5 + 5.4 inch disks + manual. On my Windows ME machine I hat to boot into DOS mode to install it, but other than that it worked profectly.
That's been my best find overall.
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@Kyanar said:
you only need to hand compile if you want to use Express versions for commercial use
Actually, no you didn't. Perhaps if you had quoted the passage that you were thinking about when you wrote your post, everyone would understand you.
But you didn't, and your post was a pile of crap.
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Contrary to popular - no wait, it isn't popular at all, it's just your - belief, you don't need to quote someone when their post is in such close proximity to yours that it becomes blindingly obvious to what post you are replying. Also, Community Server may suck, but it does some things right - the "In Reply To" link clearly jumps you straight to the post I was replying to, saying that MSDNAA (or Express) editions are for Non-Commercial use only. Also to provide context, my post clearly included the lines "doesn't matter if it's licensed for non-commercial use only", which any person capable of applying the logic skills of a child of five would be able to link to the last post discussing anything regarding non-commercial use only. To this end, I am uncertain why you quoted my post, after all your post is clearly a reply to it, making it unnecessary (including according to your own rules) to quote it. Contrary to, again your, belief, your predefined concepts of rules for how quoting should occur on the internet are not popular rule nor are they enforced. You are also not a higher authority than any other here or anywhere. Which essentially means you need to, well, shut the fuck up.
And by the way, some people use threaded mode.
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@Kyanar said:
And by the way, some people use threaded mode.
And not everyone.
Learn to quote.
BTW: With or without the context, I stand by that it was stupid. So argue all you want... Doesn't matter to me.
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I already know how to quote. It is merely not necessary to quote the post directly prior to your own (especially not when using "bloat every post with 7MB of markup" Community Server). Also, my post is not stupid (or at least, nowhere near as stupid as you come across as) - it's the only valid way to avoid the "non-commercial use only" clause on Express and MSDNAA editions of VS.
So shove it, you egotistical, self-righteous prick.
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@Kyanar said:
especially not when using "bloat every post with 7MB of markup" Community Server
Learn to use the non-WYSIWYG editor and refactor the 7MB out yourself.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
Learn to quote.
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
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Wow; you were right! This is great!
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