Why do people hate vista?
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
Great you found a buffer overflow in IIS from 6 years ago. Good job.
Yeah alright, that is why it is a Coldfusion patch. Ok.
You have come here to preach about Coldfusion and anti-MS crap and you have not had a single argument worth anything so far. How does it feel to fail at life?
The problem was probably with the IIS connector, which unfortunatelly had to be written in C. Since we use Apache, this doesn't apply to us.
This is like saying that a bug in mod_php is a bug in the PHP language.
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@russ0519 said:
That's true, but this is like saying that the .NET framework has buffer overflows (which I'm sure it does), but there is a much greater chance that your code would have a buffer overflow then the .NET framework.
Not if I'm a better programmer than they are...@russ0519 said:
And you haven't disproven.
The burden is on the one making the claim, chief.@russ0519 said:
Check the other thread. Other then possibly rails, CF is the most elegant solution.
Evidence of nothing, except that nobody could be bothered. You don't think a functional language could present a more elegant solution? Just because CF does a bunch of stuff under the covers doesn't mean it's better. I mistakenly thought you'd get that point from my Rails example.@russ0519 said:
Yes it is all about the problem domain. If you are writing websites, you use
CFPython. If you need a quick and dirty script to do some admin stuff on a linux box, you useperlPython. If you build windows desktop apps, you use.NETPython with wxWidgets.FTFY
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@russ0519 said:
If you can't learn a real language, you use CF.
FTFY
@russ0519 said:
If you build windows desktop apps, you use .NET.
Oh really? You must be right, and the rest of the world is wrong.
http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=34287
@TFA said:
Microsoft platforms (ASP.NET, ASP): 43.6% Java platforms (J2EE, JSP, WebLogic, WebSphere, Tomcat): 12.2% PHP: 5.2% ColdFusion: 2.7% Perl: 2.3% Python (Zope): 0.1%
Fascinating.
Seriously, are you through embarrassing yourself now?
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@russ0519 said:
The problem was probably with the IIS connector, which unfortunatelly had to be written in C. Since we use Apache, this doesn't apply to us.
This is like saying that a bug in mod_php is a bug in the PHP language.
The 'connector' is part of the language retard. WTF.
Pulling this tag away from Spectate for a little while, you deserve it more right now.
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@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
Check the other thread. Other then possibly rails, CF is the most elegant solution.
Evidence of nothing, except that nobody could be bothered. You don't think a functional language could present a more elegant solution? Just because CF does a bunch of stuff under the covers doesn't mean it's better. I mistakenly thought you'd get that point from my Rails example.Heh. My code to get the swamp quotes is approximately:
Repeater1.DataSource = QuoteController.ListQuotes();
Repeater1.Bind();
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
CF is the most elegant solution.
Really? How's that SQL server upgrade going?
I though you were ignoring me? If you are genuinely interested, I'm getting quotes for SQL 2005 Standard 1 Socket license, as well as other software and hardware as part of our upgrade strategy for this year. Since it will allow me to do DB mirroring, its worth the upgrade.
I still haven't heard anyone here comment on whether that is actually stable or not. Is noone using it?
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@russ0519 said:
I though you were ignoring me?
Nope, you are too entertaining to stay away from. I think you are becoming my new SpectateSwamp.
Obviously you could not grasp my post. I don't care how your upgrade is going. But have fun with your 'elegant' code when switching. I will just change my config during my next upgrade. Don't forget the backwards compatibility the rest of us have in our codebases.
@russ0519 said:
I still haven't heard anyone here comment on whether that is actually stable or not. Is noone using it?
No one gives you any valuable content because you are a useless troll.
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@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
That's true, but this is like saying that the .NET framework has buffer overflows (which I'm sure it does), but there is a much greater chance that your code would have a buffer overflow then the .NET framework.
Not if I'm a better programmer than they are...Some ego you've got there. Also the framework code would've been tested not just by the company that's releasing it, but also by millions of people all over the world.
@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
And you haven't disproven.
The burden is on the one making the claim, chief.I though I proved it with that code challenge.
@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
Check the other thread. Other then possibly rails, CF is the most elegant solution.
Evidence of nothing, except that nobody could be bothered. You don't think a functional language could present a more elegant solution? Just because CF does a bunch of stuff under the covers doesn't mean it's better. I mistakenly thought you'd get that point from my Rails example.I don't think you're being fair here. What you used is a code generator in a framework. CF has frameworks too, and some of them have code generators.
What exactly does CF do "under the covers" that .NET doesn't? Would you rather we all developed web sites using machine language?
@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
Yes it is all about the problem domain. If you are writing websites, you use
CFPython. If you need a quick and dirty script to do some admin stuff on a linux box, you useperlPython. If you build windows desktop apps, you use.NETPython with wxWidgets.FTFY
If you think python is superior, why haven't you posted a python response to the code challenge? While I'm sure python is a good language, I haven't really seen any large websites written with it.
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@russ0519 said:
@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
That's true, but this is like saying that the .NET framework has buffer overflows (which I'm sure it does), but there is a much greater chance that your code would have a buffer overflow then the .NET framework.
Not if I'm a better programmer than they are...Some ego you've got there. Also the framework code would've been tested not just by the company that's releasing it, but also by millions of people all over the world.
It isn't cocky if you can back it up. And bstorer can.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
The problem was probably with the IIS connector, which unfortunatelly had to be written in C. Since we use Apache, this doesn't apply to us.
This is like saying that a bug in mod_php is a bug in the PHP language.
The 'connector' is part of the language retard. WTF.
Are you talking about the mod_php connector is the IIS connector? The IIS connector is not part of the language. While it's generously provided by Adobe, it's part of JRUN, on top of which CF usually runs. It can also run on top of WebSphere, Tomcat, etc.
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@russ0519 said:
I though I proved it with that code challenge.
If you actually knew what real development was like you would be able to spot how that code would not be production ready by any means. The rest of us saw past it, but you just can't quite grasp it...
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
That's true, but this is like saying that the .NET framework has buffer overflows (which I'm sure it does), but there is a much greater chance that your code would have a buffer overflow then the .NET framework.
Not if I'm a better programmer than they are...Some ego you've got there. Also the framework code would've been tested not just by the company that's releasing it, but also by millions of people all over the world.
It isn't cocky if you can back it up. And bstorer can.
I'm great you think so. Why don't you guys just all move to Canada and marry each other, since you all seem to be so very in love.
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@russ0519 said:
If you think python is superior, why haven't you posted a python response to the code challenge?
Because the rest of us dont define 'better' in LOC.
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@russ0519 said:
The IIS connector is not part of the language.
So coldfusion on IIS would run without it then?
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@russ0519 said:
I'm great you think so. Why don't you guys just all move to Canada and marry each other, since you all seem to be so very in love.
Whoo hoo second grade humor!
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
I though I proved it with that code challenge.
If you actually knew what real development was like you would be able to spot how that code would not be production ready by any means. The rest of us saw past it, but you just can't quite grasp it...
That code is production ready. If I need to write a one page site that just does that, there is nothing wrong with putting it in production.
There is no point setting up an MVC framework just to make a single page work. In fact, I think you're retarded for even suggesting it.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
The IIS connector is not part of the language.
So coldfusion on IIS would run without it then?
Sure. I can install a third party plugin for IIS which would allow me to proxy the requests to the CF's build in webserver. Problem solved. Then again, why would you ever use IIS?
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@russ0519 said:
That code is production ready. If I need to write a one page site that just does that, there is nothing wrong with putting it in production.
Scalability. Get some.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
If you think python is superior, why haven't you posted a python response to the code challenge?
Because the rest of us dont define 'better' in LOC.
Well I never said least lines of code, i just said more elegant. Speaking of LOC though, if I can write something in CF that takes me 1/3 of LOC that it does in .NET, how does it not make CF better?
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@russ0519 said:
Some ego you've got there. Also the framework code would've been tested not just by the company that's releasing it, but also by millions of people all over the world.
No, just a sense of humor.@russ0519 said:
I though I proved it with that code challenge.
Again, all you proved is that people couldn't be bothered to respond to a trivial challenge catering only to those languages with built-in database support.@russ0519 said:
I don't think you're being fair here. What you used is a code generator in a framework. CF has frameworks too, and some of them have code generators.
Yes and no. My point is that Rails does all the database interaction automagically, but that doesn't prove it better than anything else. But if you want to get technical, a framework doesn't really have any bearing on the programming language itself. Ruby is far nicer than CF, too, by the way.@russ0519 said:
What exactly does CF do "under the covers" that .NET doesn't? Would you rather we all developed web sites using machine language?
I know this is hard for you, what with multiple people trying to explain how wrong you are, but when you see that guy over on the left with the yellow supernova behind him, that means the guy who wrote that post probably isn't using .NET.@russ0519 said:
If you think python is superior, why haven't you posted a python response to the code challenge? While I'm sure python is a good language, I haven't really seen any large websites written with it.
Again, you might want to order a sense of humor. While I certainly believe Python is better than Perl, the rest was at least half jest. But if you really are curious, how about many services from Google?
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
That code is production ready. If I need to write a one page site that just does that, there is nothing wrong with putting it in production.
Scalability. Get some.
Got some. Are you saying that code won't scale? What exactly about it won't scale? Maybe I should cache the query? That's just one more attribute to the cfquery tag.
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@russ0519 said:
Well I never said least lines of code, i just said more elegant. Speaking of LOC though, if I can write something in CF that takes me 1/3 of LOC that it does in .NET, how does it not make CF better?
It's a well-acknowledged fact that there's short code and there's good code. They aren't necessarily the same.
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@russ0519 said:
Then again, why would you ever use IIS?
I don't know. Ask all these people: http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=34287
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@russ0519 said:
Got some. Are you saying that code won't scale? What exactly about it won't scale? Maybe I should cache the query? That's just one more attribute to the cfquery tag.
Again, I am not here to teach you development. But you should really seek some.
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@russ0519 said:
Well I never said least lines of code, i just said more elegant. Speaking of LOC though, if I can write something in CF that takes me 1/3 of LOC that it does in .NET, how does it not make CF better?
It's times like this I wish asuffield were still around to smack around your ignorance with his highfalutin statements of absolute fact.
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@bstorer said:
It's times like this I wish asuffield were still around to smack around your ignorance with his highfalutin statements of absolute fact.
ROFLMAO
Yes. This is the first solution I wish he would come back.
Maybe he is like beetlejuice?
asuffield asuffield asuffield
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
Then again, why would you ever use IIS?
I don't know. Ask all these people: http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=34287Ok, so enterprises prefer IIS. Big whoop. Mostly because their staff is almost completely retarded and has to rely on outside consultants to do most of the work.
If you take a look at the web as a whole, you will see that apache leads by a WIDE margin: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html
Developer March 2008 Percent April 2008 Percent Change Apache 82,454,415 50.69% 83,554,638 50.42% -0.27 Microsoft 57,698,503 35.47% 58,547,355 35.33% -0.14 Google 9,012,004 5.54% 10,079,333 6.08% 0.54 lighttpd 1,552,650 0.95% 1,495,308 0.90% -0.05 Sun 546,581 0.34% 547,873 0.33% -0.01
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
Got some. Are you saying that code won't scale? What exactly about it won't scale? Maybe I should cache the query? That's just one more attribute to the cfquery tag.
Again, I am not here to teach you development. But you should really seek some.
I think it's pretty obvious that you are not here for anything other then troll and inflate your post count.
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@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
Well I never said least lines of code, i just said more elegant. Speaking of LOC though, if I can write something in CF that takes me 1/3 of LOC that it does in .NET, how does it not make CF better?
It's a well-acknowledged fact that there's short code and there's good code. They aren't necessarily the same.That is very true. However, between two sets of equally well writen code, I would pick the one that was shorter, wouldn't you?
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@russ0519 said:
Ok, so enterprises prefer IIS. Big whoop. Mostly because their staff is almost completely retarded and has to rely on outside consultants to do most of the work.
Haha it must be nice to be so ignorant.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
Ok, so enterprises prefer IIS. Big whoop. Mostly because their staff is almost completely retarded and has to rely on outside consultants to do most of the work.
Haha it must be nice to be so ignorant.
Yea it must be. How DOES it feel?
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@russ0519 said:
I would pick the one that was shorter, wouldn't you?
Well we know you would. But no, I would pick the correctly written one that relied on an actual proper DAL. And if there is a god, it would definitely be less LOC.
Come back* when you learn actual proper DAL architecture and can handle an actual argument.
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@russ0519 said:
That is very true. However, between two sets of equally well writen code, I would pick the one that was shorter, wouldn't you?
And yet your whole point is based upon this argument:- It's shorter
- Therefore it's more elegant
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@russ0519 said:
Yea it must be. How DOES it feel?
When you are in this field for a little longer, you are going to look back on your flamingly retarded statements like this in horror.
Seriously. You just got out of college/highschool/tech school. You learned CF and you think it is 'teh roxxors'. We get it. Someday you will see why you are wrong. I don't expect we will change your mind.
I am starting to feel guilty about getting enjoyment out of picking on a poor, stupid kid. Run along and play now please.
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@MasterPIanSoftware said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
I would pick the one that was shorter, wouldn't you?
Well we know you would. But no, I would pick the correctly written one that relied on an actual proper DAL. And if there is a god, it would definitely be less LOC.
Come back* when you learn actual proper DAL architecture and can handle an actual argument.
Why don't you stop being so retarded?
Oh noes! He used his 1337 haxxor skillz on me!
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@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
That is very true. However, between two sets of equally well writen code, I would pick the one that was shorter, wouldn't you?
And yet your whole point is based upon this argument:- It's shorter
- Therefore it's more elegant
This is not a valid syllogism. Please try again.
Then post an elegant solution in your favorite language and let people vote on it.
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@russ0519 said:
Then post an elegant solution in your favorite language and let people vote on it.
Holy jesus. He really just doesn't get it.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@russ0519 said:
I would pick the one that was shorter, wouldn't you?
Well we know you would. But no, I would pick the correctly written one that relied on an actual proper DAL. And if there is a god, it would definitely be less LOC.
Come back* when you learn actual proper DAL architecture and can handle an actual argument.
Show me one thing that that's not correctly written in that code? That code is also cross platform as it uses standard SQL.
I would love to see code that's written in another language, that uses DAL (with a separate one for each type of DB, of course), that's less lines of code. God, in .NET you need 5 lines of code just to run a single query.
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@russ0519 said:
I would love to see code that's written in another language, that uses DAL (with a separate one for each type of DB, of course), that's less lines of code. God, in .NET you need 5 lines of code just to run a single query.
Holy crap I cannot stop laughing....
Seriously. You are becoming the new laughing stock around here. Stop embarrasing yourself.
And your trolling is just getting sad. I know you have no intellectual powers to use in arguing here, but don't be pathetic. You are not going to bother me with trolling.
I think I have a runner up for TSMoE.
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@russ0519 said:
Then post an elegant solution in your favorite language and let people vote on it.
This is a loaded challenge. I propose the following (loaded) challenge for you:Write a program that takes a list of names and addresses and let's you look up a name to get a person's address. Here's how to do it in Python:
lookupTable = dict(zip(names, addresses))
ZOMG! PYTHON IS TEH BEST PROGRAM FOR ADDRESS MANAGERS EVAR! LOOK HOW ELEGANT!
Do you understand now?
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@bstorer said:
Do you understand now?
Probably not.
Just like these delightful entries:
http://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=349579
http://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=349576
It doesn't matter how much he is told he is wrong, he is obviously right!
But once again, he has been pushed far enough to himself prove he is nothing but a troll, so I am all set with him for now. Just don't want anyone thinking he is credible at all, and he does the best job of proving that. Kind of like Spectate actually....
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@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
Then post an elegant solution in your favorite language and let people vote on it.
This is a loaded challenge. I propose the following (loaded) challenge for you:Write a program that takes a list of names and addresses and let's you look up a name to get a person's address. Here's how to do it in Python:
lookupTable = dict(zip(names, addresses))
ZOMG! PYTHON IS TEH BEST PROGRAM FOR ADDRESS MANAGERS EVAR! LOOK HOW ELEGANT!
Do you understand now?
Not really. In my challenge, assuming that you have the DB table that I said you do, the page would run and generate output. In your challenge, you are missing where the names and addresses come from.
Are they in a file? Where is the code to read the file and put the data into the arrays?
Why don't you make a complete example and we'll see which language wins.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@bstorer said:
Do you understand now?
Probably not.
Just like these delightful entries:
http://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=349579
http://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=349576
It doesn't matter how much he is told he is wrong, he is obviously right!
But once again, he has been pushed far enough to himself prove he is nothing but a troll, so I am all set with him for now. Just don't want anyone thinking he is credible at all, and he does the best job of proving that. Kind of like Spectate actually....
Ohh... you know how to google... and find people that chose the same screen name as me. Great detective work, Sherlock!
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@russ0519 said:
*sigh* I didn't think you would. Clearly, my example assumes you have the data in variables already.@bstorer said:
@russ0519 said:
Then post an elegant solution in your favorite language and let people vote on it.
This is a loaded challenge. I propose the following (loaded) challenge for you:Write a program that takes a list of names and addresses and let's you look up a name to get a person's address. Here's how to do it in Python:
lookupTable = dict(zip(names, addresses))
ZOMG! PYTHON IS TEH BEST PROGRAM FOR ADDRESS MANAGERS EVAR! LOOK HOW ELEGANT!
Do you understand now?
Not really. In my challenge, assuming that you have the DB table that I said you do, the page would run and generate output. In your challenge, you are missing where the names and addresses come from.
Are they in a file? Where is the code to read the file and put the data into the arrays?
Why don't you make a complete example and we'll see which language wins.
Also, they aren't arrays; they are lists. Think of them as arrays and you'll miss out on all sorts of expressiveness in Python.
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@russ0519 said:
Ohh... you know how to google... and find people that chose the same screen name as me. Great detective work, Sherlock!
Yep. Approximately as lame as signing up with a fake name to try and pretend to be me....
Only I was able to confirm a few important things about you that will help me understand where you fell off the line of reasoning.
Have fun trolling!
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DAL and 3 tier and Information Hiding are just a hype. Those are no substitute for embedding SQL everywhere.
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@Ice^^Heat said:
DAL and 3 tier and Information Hiding are just a hype. Those are no substitute for embedding SQL everywhere.
And that's no substitute for a flat file!
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@Ice^^Heat said:
DAL and 3 tier and Information Hiding are just a hype. Those are no substitute for embedding SQL everywhere.
Seconded!
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@bstorer said:
@Ice^^Heat said:
DAL and 3 tier and Information Hiding are just a hype. Those are no substitute for embedding SQL everywhere.
And that's no substitute for a flat file!I am telling you... this kid is dangerously close to becoming the
nextfirst swampie.
