Headless Mac Mini Servers are shitassdickassshitdung
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See this post... Apple pushed out a malware update that blacklisted its own ethernet driver. Just the kind of quality you'd expect from the
goto fail
company.After I posted that, it occurred to me that a long while back we discussed some company that was using Mac Minis for servers here on this forum... I think this is actually a different guy, meaning there's at least two companies out there using Mac Minis as servers.
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Yeah, using Mac Mini servers (more than say, 2 or 3) is just
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Weren't there people who were defending the idea in the other thread? Where are they now?
Attention, attention! Apple made a boo-boo in asile 5. All apple apologists on duty please report to this thread!
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Paging @Apple.
Also, that's fantastic. Ooooops, we just lost access to all our headless servers. How was your weekend indeed....
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Well to be fair to Apple, even they would be like, "you're using Mac Minis for WHAT?! You idiot. Don't you know how much we (Apple) hate servers and will do everything in our power to ensure there is never a quality server running OS X? A lot."
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What kind of idiot runs that many identical machines without doing a test update on one machine to see what the hell happens before updating all of them? That idiot deserved his time at the datacenter, ruining his weekend.
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It was a silent update from Apple.
Because, again, that's exactly what you want from your "server" vendor.
Yet I'm sure someone will figure out how to tell me how much worse Microsoft is at updates... any minute now...
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It was a silent update from Apple.
Horseshit. You can tell OS X to not automatically update. Anyone who has servers automatically updating is an idiot. Especially so when you are running that many identical systems. Test update one, verify nothing went tits-up, then update the rest through automation software.
If you have one server and no way to test...at that point you hold off a few weeks to see if anything silly like this pops up and then do the update.
Yet I'm sure someone will figure out how to tell me how much worse Microsoft is at updates... any minute now...
Yeah, it is me, Windows 10 updates are fucking retarded, and you are fucking retarded for supporting such idiocy.
BTW, you gave us all permission:
Make fun of me if you want.
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Here is his business:
No freaking clue who is buying such a service...
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You can tell OS X to not automatically update.
@ArsTechnica said:
This blacklist isn't updated through the Mac App Store like purchased apps or OS X itself. Rather, it uses a silent auto-update mechanism that executes in the background even if you haven't enabled normal automatic updates. Apple uses a similar mechanism to update OS X's anti-malware blacklist, a rudimentary security feature introduced in 2011 following the high-profile Mac Defender malware infection and occasionally used to push other critical software updates.
Actually, according to Ars, he's right...
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So... a VPS service? But the selling point is that they use Macs?
I want seven!
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So... a VPS service? But the selling point is that they use Macs?
I want seven!
Yeah, but I think you take off the "V" portion of it...
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Should I also add an
o
in between remaining letters? Seems kinda appropriate.
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Yet I'm sure someone will figure out how to tell me how much worse Microsoft is at updates... any minute now...
I remember one time when an update killed networking somehow on Win2K machines.
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Horseshit. You can tell OS X to not automatically update.
Fuck you. I don't buy Apple shit, I'm just the messenger.
Take it up with Ars if you think their article's wrong.
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Take it up with Ars if you think their article's wrong.
I don't. Not anymore. Someone whom I trust pointed out my error.
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There's a room of headless trashcan model Mac Pros just down the hall from me. Yay WTFCorp.
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Oh well be sure to yell at me first before verifying your facts, you piece of shit.
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Oh well be sure to yell at me first before verifying your facts, you piece of shit.
Oh, don't worry, I will.
Also, if you consider what I said to be "yelling at you", you need to toughen up Buttercup. Your special is showing.
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You leaping to the conclusion that everything Blakeyrat says is bullshit without even bothering to check his source (which BTW is linked in the OP, it's not like it's hard to find) is actually more insulting than if you'd actually typed normal insults.
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From their site: "Once you have a Mac mini installed, you'll be surprised how many ways there are to use it." So, buy first, figure out why the hell you did it later?
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From their site: "Once you have a Mac mini installed, you'll be surprised how many ways there are to use it." So, buy first, figure out why the hell you did it later?
That seems like as logical a conclusion as any.
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There are zero ways to use it.
So I guess that would surprise someone stupid enough to pay for this... they might assume a product they're being charged for has at least one use.
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people who want to make apps but don't want to own a mac.
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Can you even do that? With all the certificate bullshit and stuff, can you even develop for iPhone (I assume that's what you meant by "apps") on a remote machine? If so, that's actually a valid use-case, shockingly enough.
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Ok, I've been reading through their site, and I changed my mind.
If you're just a normal Mac user, and want to have a little personal server that you can manage using VNC or some remote desktop thing (and don't want to learn unix commands), this service makes sense. I mean, what's the alternative for ordinary Mac users who are CLI adverse? They aren't gonna use Windows Server, that's for sure.
If a company hosted their backend infrastructure on this shit, that'd be a WTF. But for ordinary Mactards, this is OK.
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people who want to make apps but don't want to own a mac.
How? Apple does not really have anything like RDP to connect to their machines that is not rubbish or has to be run from a Mac. I could not imagine trying to code over VNC and Apple Remote Desktop only works from Mac to Mac as far as I know?
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God apple is awful.
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Meh, they have their low points, that is for certain. But, Apple has never had a serious form of client/server model. They had XServe and the Server app for OS X, but their server offerings have always been pretty shit compared to MS.
Scratch that, they are total shit as compared to MS when it comes to managing a large deployment. RDP was designed for remote server administration. Since they have never really had a need for that, there has never been a use case for an Apple version of RDP.
Paradoxically, the RDP app on OS X is insanely better than the Windows version and it works really well with other OS X amenities (like virtual desktops) that works really well for working with multiple RDP sessions. As I have an iMac and Windows desktops in my office, I have turned away from my Win10 desktop in order to use RDP from Mac.
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We're also talking about a market space (servers) that Apple never gave a shit about even back when they were pretending to give a shit about it.
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Or for building the Mac/iOS part of mono and xamarin.
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No freaking clue who is buying such a service...
The most reliable way to get an OSX build server is to actually run the goddamn thing, because cross-compiling to it is kinda brittle, and you just straight up can't cross-compile iOS shit.
So I can see the utility. If it was on AWS or Azure I'd use it myself for that. If it's for anything else, though...
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The most reliable way to get an OSX build server is to actually run the goddamn thing, because cross-compiling to it is kinda brittle, and you just straight up can't cross-compile iOS shit.
So I can see the utility. If it was on AWS or Azure I'd use it myself for that. If it's for anything else, though...
Yeah, but his hosting service is on top of the purchase cost of a Mac Mini. You may as well just buy it and use it at home. The people buying this service are running applications on it:
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You may as well just buy it and use it at home.
Eh, you can say the same thing about any kind of server, and it's really far from running it in a decent DC. I don't know anything about this particular thing, but in general I tend to avoid running services from home.
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That's how co location works.. you are tr here...
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So it makes sense, if you need to have something running on a mac, to have someone else babysitting it for you.
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The code only needs to be built on a mac. You can develop in a sane environment.
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To be fair, it is a good rule of thumb. You're wrong more often than you're right.
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Checking if build environment is sane...
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What am I looking at, again?
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I remember one time when an update killed networking somehow on Win2K machines.
At one point I had an XP box which, after installing a networking driver update from Windows Update, could no longer access the network. Fortunately fixing it was a relatively simple matter of rolling back that set of updates and telling it not to show me that one again.(I'm not bringing this up to cast aspersions at Microsoft; I don't recall specifically, but chances are that it was a vendor provided driver and so not Microsoft's fault.)
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installing a networking driver update from Windows Update, could no longer access the network
Recently, there was an update for Windows Server 2012 which apparently caused it to forget it was in the domain it was the controller for. POS broke a lot of things even after reverting the update.
NFC which one it was though.
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Apple's migration guide from deprecating the XServe series of rack mount server machines.
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Yet I'm sure someone will figure out how to tell me how much worse Microsoft is at updates... any minute now...
People run Windows 10 on important servers?
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If this was an update that disabled networking, how exactly do you download the fix for the update?
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People run Windows 10 on important servers?
I'm running a bunch of TDWTF services on a Windows 10 PC. If I could run MSSQL and IIS on Ubuntu 16.04, I totally would.
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It's like a raspberry pi!