Mashup Challenge $100,000 prize - WTF if Spectate Swamp wins?



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @WeatherGod said:

    Just a scary thought... but what if SpectateSwamp isn't actually Doug Pederson?  I haven't looked at all of the videos, but I don't think at any time we see his face in any of the videos he posts.  Pictures and newspapers clippings can be easily found and posted and such.  I am not doubting that Doug Pederson made SSDS, but if SpectateSwamp isn't Doug Pederson, then it would make absolute sense for SS to post Doug Pederson's name, address and other personal information.  It would also explain the troll-like behavior and other inconsistencies in his posts.

    I want to see a video of SpectateSwamp showing off SSDS and having his face in the video.  I would hate to think that this whole forum has been duped by a very clever troll.

    What in God's name are you talking about?  There are hours of footage of clouds and rocks and twigs in addition to pages of posts from SS.  Anybody who would go to that trouble just for the sake of trolling is legitimately crazy.  From just looking over this, I would say SS is a delusional schizophrenic.  He is paranoid, believes all sorts of easily-refuted fantasies and his thinking is incredibly disorganized.  Whoever made those videos is crazy, whoever wrote SSDS is crazy and whoever has been spamming forums all of the Internet with desktop search nonsense is crazy.  Why is it such a stretch to believe it's the same nutjob?  You think posting his personal info is really the strangest thing he's done?


    It isn't a stretch to believe it is the same nutjob, but it also isn't a stretch to believe that the real Doug Pederson has no internet presence and that SS merely choose him to be the real-world persona of SS.  I am just trying to rationalize an irrational universe.


  • @WeatherGod said:

    Just a scary thought... but what if SpectateSwamp isn't actually Doug Pederson?  I haven't looked at all of the videos, but I don't think at any time we see his face in any of the videos he posts.  Pictures and newspapers clippings can be easily found and posted and such.  I am not doubting that Doug Pederson made SSDS, but if SpectateSwamp isn't Doug Pederson, then it would make absolute sense for SS to post Doug Pederson's name, address and other personal information.  It would also explain the troll-like behavior and other inconsistencies in his posts.
     

    Well, sadly, I think SpectateSwamp is Doug Pederson, and I agree with morbiuswilters that both personas are batshit crazy.  The video and Internet forum evidence are all there.  (I think it's safe to say that the video of Yellowhead at Yellowhead '93 is really Doug Pederson.)

    What bothers me is that many of Spectate's annoying habits (bad grammar and spelling, weird capitalization, deliberate provocation) seem to be calculated attempts to piss people off.  Look at the quoted apology he made to Greg Gilbertson (apparently a Whitecourt Fish and Wildlife officer).  The grammar, spelling and capitalization are almost perfect.  The content of his apology sounds perfectly sane and contrite.  Maybe it's possible he got someone else to write it for him, but I kinda doubt it.  The writing style of a normal person doesn't fluctuate wildly like SpectateSwamp, unless it is deliberate.  In his case, it seems calculated for maximal annoyance.  (He mentioned many times he likes to "tease his prey".)  Kinda blunts any sympathy I might have once had for the man.

    Here's some "proof" that SS and Doug are the same guy.

    Thread on "White Hooded Crow" in Spectate's backyard:

    http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=54970

    Independent 3rd party confirmation of outsider's visit to Spectate's neighbourhood, to watch the bird:

    http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0607e&L=birdchat&D=1&O=D&P=357 

    Local news coverage:

     http://cgi.bowesonline.com/pedro.php?id=11&x=story&xid=247197

    Recently Pederson has been posting video of the bird on the Internet and that’s been attracting attention from avid birders from across Alberta.

     

    I'd find it hard to believe that's all a coincidence.  (Or, alternatively, that SpectateSwamp happened to "invite" some people to Doug's backyard, and Doug didn't mind, for some reason.)

    Here's a birder's take on the whole situation:

    http://www.surfbirds.com/phorum/read.php?f=42&i=9019&t=9019 

     <font class="PhorumMessage" color="#000000"> SpectateSwamp hasn't realised the importance of such a rare bird - and
    continues to rather bafflingly call it "the White Crow" or "WC".
    The video
    footage is exhaustive, clear, and real enough - in some of it a Ring-billed
    Gull is present, which excludes the footage being taken in Europe.</font>

     

     Of course, now SpectateSwamp has appropriately adjusted his worldview so that the "White Hooded Crow" is further proof of Spectate's Specialness.



  • @CodeSimian said:

    Here's a birder's take on the whole situation:

     

     <font class="PhorumMessage" color="#000000"> SpectateSwamp hasn't realised the importance of such a rare bird - and
    continues to rather bafflingly call it "the White Crow" or "WC".
    The video
    footage is exhaustive, clear, and real enough - in some of it a Ring-billed
    Gull is present, which excludes the footage being taken in Europe.</font>

     

     Of course, now SpectateSwamp has appropriately adjusted his worldview so that the "White Hooded Crow" is further proof of Spectate's Specialness.

    Well, I would say that that post (made in 2006, I believe) seems to be the next best thing to the video of both Doug's face and SSDS together.  Good, now I can feel safe in knowing that this isn't some elaborate troll. 



  • TSMoE Update

    I just rolled out a significant update. You may now submit your quotes. They will then be reviewed and posted if verified.

    Submit your Swamp Quote

     

    We will see how that works out.



  • Minor fix to the source.txt

    Before it was open source. I would seldom make changes. There was a minor one that was bugging me today. I was in screen saver mode for pictures "ww" I interrupted it and used "x" to back up to the search prompt. Then another "enter" to get back to prompt #2. I enter "p" for 1 at a time photo display and it would revert to screen saver mode. I made a couple changes and jammed it before I found the element that needed clearing. Anybody but anybody can fix this program by jamming it.

    interrupt_prompt2 = ""     '12 April 2008



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    I just rolled out a significant update. You may now submit your quotes. They will then be reviewed and posted if verified.

    Submit your Swamp Quote

     

    We will see how that works out.

     

    Nice work.  Couple of suggestions for usability:

    • Make the quote text field into a TEXTAREA instead of INPUT TYPE=TEXT.  This will allow the user to enter multi-paragraph quotes, and to see the entire quote as well.
    • Widen all other fields (so the user can see the whole URL, for example)
    It might also be nice to have a "correction" link for existing quotes, in case we accidentally misquote poor old Swampy.  (In some forum posts, I have paraphrased or mocked Spectate, but unfortunately made it look like direct quotes.  I would hate to see kind of error propagated to the quotes pages.)


  • @CodeSimian said:

    Make the quote text field into a TEXTAREA instead of INPUT TYPE=TEXT.  This will allow the user to enter multi-paragraph quotes, and to see the entire quote as well.
     

    I agree with that. Next revision (in the middle of some computer issues here).

    @CodeSimian said:

    Widen all other fields (so the user can see the whole URL, for example)

    Yeah, I didn't put much thought into that layout. Functionality first. Layout second. Next revision.

    @CodeSimian said:

    It might also be nice to have a "correction" link for existing quotes

    For now I am probably going to keep editorial control to myself. I don't want to have to manage a whole bunch of users just yet.

    In the future I hope to have a little more extensive moderation taking place.

    For now, I am reviewing each one though. I will likely get sick of that pretty quick and improve this though.

     

    Good ideas, keep em coming!



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Before it was open source. I would seldom make changes. There was a minor one that was bugging me today. I was in screen saver mode for pictures "ww" I interrupted it and used "x" to back up to the search prompt. Then another "enter" to get back to prompt #2. I enter "p" for 1 at a time photo display and it would revert to screen saver mode. I made a couple changes and jammed it before I found the element that needed clearing. Anybody but anybody can fix this program by jamming it.

    interrupt_prompt2 = ""     '12 April 2008

     

    Let me get this straight: we are supposed to be impressed because you have the ability to change your own program?  "Open-source" usually implies that others want to work on the program, not just the author....

    Another thing: while improvisation and trial-and-error ("jamming it") may have their place in software development, I wouldn't rely on them as my primary method of coding.  Most people prefer to start with a solid design, write code that is understandable to themselves and others, and understand the basic workings of their OS/platform.  In that way, there is usually not much need to "jam it" as a form of debugging or adding features, because THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN CODE.  Even in situations where "jamming it" is necessary, nobody would describe it that way, so maybe you are wasting your time by repeating "jam it" over and over again?  Why don't you just say something like: "Since you have no hope in hell of understanding the code by reading it, you'd better make changes to SSDS by trial-and-error: add some experimental code and informational printfs, then recompile, run and see what happens.  Repeat the process until the changes are to your liking."  I mean, that conveys a hell of a lot more information than "Jam It!" (*)

    This reminds me of one of your other catchphrases: "Gee Haw".  I mean, you clearly knew that nobody would understand what you meant, since you took the trouble to explain that "Gee Haw-ing" means "teasing", so why did you bother using that phrase in the first place?  Unlike horses and sled dogs, most people on technical forums are probably unaware of the term "gee haw".

    Part of communication is using words and phrases that others are likely to understand....how can you not get that?

     

    (*) "Jamming it" is very useful for debugging unfamiliar apps/platforms.  However, nobody would describe it that way.  They would probably say: Add a few printfs()/syslogs()/_TRACE statements to figure out how it works.  Then use trial-and-error to determine the source of the problem.

    See how that makes more sense than "JAM IT"?



  • @CodeSimian said:

    Part of communication is using words and phrases that others are likely to understand....how can you not get that?
     

    (Says the guy who wrote an entire post that Spectate is unlikely to comprehend.  Oh well....) 



  • SpectateSwamp is a fucking moron.

     You need to make sure you change the subject during your post. He hates that.



  • NCAA basketball is all about GamBLING

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

     You need to make sure you change the subject during your post. He hates that.

     

    I don't get all the hype about March Madness.  College ball is so overrated!  



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Before it was open source. I would seldom make changes. There was a minor one that was bugging me today. I was in screen saver mode for pictures "ww" I interrupted it and used "x" to back up to the search prompt. Then another "enter" to get back to prompt #2. I enter "p" for 1 at a time photo display and it would revert to screen saver mode. I made a couple changes and jammed it before I found the element that needed clearing. Anybody but anybody can fix this program by jamming it.

    interrupt_prompt2 = ""     '12 April 2008

    Note that this post contains WAY better than average SwampSpeak. Hell, it almost even makes sense, except that the subject matter is insane.

    A possible explanation for the variable writing style/quality, and factual inconsistencies is that he's more stoned sometimes than others. I would guess that when he's really stoned he rambles incoherently about rocks and aliens. When somewhat less stoned, he sometimes even admits that SSDS isn't the prettiest code or isn't a web app, and suggests that some Swampie should change that.

    MPS: The formatting problem is now gone. I guess one of your updates tonight fixed it. I believe it was a CSS problem. FWIW, I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.13 with JavaScript off (using NoScript).

    Also, I suggest that a write-up about or collection of SS's miscellaneous incoherent ramblings be put in a "SwampGas" section.



  • MPS, quick note.  I submitted the following quote to your site:

    "These animals are beautiful. The ones that know the most about them are the trappers. They are amazing creatures.{br}I'm not too keen on only seeing the dead ones either.{br}Mike tells me they get skinned then go to Europe.

    I meant for the "{br}"'s to represent paragraph breaks.  I probably should've left them out - my bad.  Also, the quote I submitted is an expanded version of a pre-existing quote:

    "These animals are beautiful. The ones that know the most about them are the trappers. They are amazing creatures."

    I know you probably don't have a lot of time to check things like that; thought I'd just let you know.  Thanks for getting the quotes up so quickly!



  • Off topic somewhat, but I was fishing through my music collection earlier and stumbled on something that I had forgotten about for a while.  While not exactly the same set of issues, there are enough commonalities that I thought you would all* enjoy:

    MC Hawking, "What We Need More Of Is Science"

    Aliens, medicine stones, nobody requiring more than a grade 9 (or was it 8?) education... close enough for me. 

    -cw

    *or at least those of you that would enjoy this sort of thing.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    I just rolled out a significant update. You may now submit your quotes. They will then be reviewed and posted if verified.

    Submit your Swamp Quote

     

    We will see how that works out.

    I can't submit. I mean, I click on the Submit button or click Enter and nothing happens. That's IE 7.

    BTW, why are all fields required? If someone doesn't want to be credited, why not?

    I also suggest to splat an "Under construction" sign (or is "Beta" the hot word now?) over the site, so that random visitors will be inclined to check back later, instead of just shrugging off.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Before it was open source. I would seldom make changes. There was a minor one that was bugging me today. I was in screen saver mode for pictures "ww" I interrupted it and used "x" to back up to the search prompt. Then another "enter" to get back to prompt #2. I enter "p" for 1 at a time photo display and it would revert to screen saver mode. I made a couple changes and jammed it before I found the element that needed clearing. Anybody but anybody can fix this program by jamming it.

    interrupt_prompt2 = ""     '12 April 2008

    Good good, you've got the issue you're trying to fix described to a certain extent. That's good. You have listed the code line you need to add. Good. But one thing is missing: where you want us to put that additional line.

    If this were a real open source project, this bug raport would have most likely gone to the gibberish pile the long way - as in "fix this bug if you can make sense what the submitter is trying to say, if not, sorry, we can't fix it unless you give more details".



  • Morons Revenge SSDS

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

     You need to make sure you change the subject during your post. He hates that.

    The fellow (maybe somebody from here) that emailed me yesterday saying he got the picture viewer going. Along with a 'Yea' in there for joy. Said the only way he could stop it was to kill the process. That got me testing my family pics and then I noticed that nasty "still in screen saver mode" problem again... When I just wanted 1 photo displayed at a time. This sucker was running away on me. But not a bad feature. The thing is. There is a exit out at every spot that's needed and that's not many. Or Kill it - Kill it - Kill SSDS. Kill it lots. I do.  

    Only the morons would be interested in this search. Such bad code and all. What a way to leave the Know-IT-Alls in our dust.



  • Jammin it Beats Designing it

    @CodeSimian said:

    Another thing: while improvisation and trial-and-error ("jamming it") may have their place in software development, I wouldn't rely on them as my primary method of coding.  Most people prefer to start with a solid design, write code that is understandable to themselves and others, and understand the basic workings of their OS/platform.  In that way, there is usually not much need to "jam it" as a form of debugging or adding features, because THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN CODE.  Even in situations where "jamming it" is necessary, nobody would describe it that way, so maybe you are wasting your time by repeating "jam it" over and over again?  Why don't you just say something like: "Since you have no hope in hell of understanding the code by reading it, you'd better make changes to SSDS by trial-and-error: add some experimental code and informational printfs, then recompile, run and see what happens.  Repeat the process until the changes are to your liking."  I mean, that conveys a hell of a lot more information than "Jam It!" (*)

    Jamming it is more fun and it works. You might want to read my "How to Build a Search Engine" post on channel9 - 52,000 others have. Your way works but not as fast and as fun as Jamming it. When the Designer isn't the Jammer and <> the programmer. Look out. Sometimes the results are not so good. With this program. It was an evolution from a text search to photo display to video and audio play. Now being able to do that through a backgrounder SSDS (exact same just a different name) copy. Opens SSDS up to even more furious testing. If any of you have found a serious problem (not just cosmetic) with the search let me know. I'll make and test the change and put a hear????SwampHere in the source code. Of if you just want to go your own way with this fine fine desktop search that's OK.

    Not to repeat myself but. Way way back in 75 my good friend Grant C. said if it was up to him "all systems would be built using plain text files". No packed numbers to save space etc. That makes even more sense today than back then. The computers are a kazillion times faster now. Maybe even more faster than that.

    As well the other day a friend said her son wrote his first code at 9 years old. I bet the kids coding habits wouldn't sit well with this group either. Jam it kid. jam it.

    Jam it with video. Jam it with pictures. Jam it with SSDS. Designing it. Phooy

     



  • @Spectre said:

    I can't submit. I mean, I click on the Submit button or click Enter and nothing happens. That's IE 7.
     

    I will investigate.

    @Spectre said:

    BTW, why are all fields required? If someone doesn't want to be credited, why not?

    Because I said so. I don't think 4 fields is too much to enter at all.

    @Spectre said:

    I also suggest to splat an "Under construction" sign (or is "Beta" the hot word now?) over the site, so that random visitors will be inclined to check back later, instead of just shrugging off.

    Eh. I don't think we really have a whole lot to worry about here. A simple joke site like this is not going to suffer from revenue loss when half the people who come here don't even know who/what the hell we are talking about.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Only the morons would be interested in this search.
     

    QFT



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    I bet the kids coding habits wouldn't sit well with this group either
     

    And yet I bet his code would be light years better than yours and he would actually be open to learning new things.

    Not only that, but I bet he would laugh at your code and call you a flaming retard too.



  • Rocket Scientist needed

    @CodeSimian said:

    This reminds me of one of your other catchphrases: "Gee Haw".  I mean, you clearly knew that nobody would understand what you meant, since you took the trouble to explain that "Gee Haw-ing" means "teasing", so why did you bother using that phrase in the first place?  Unlike horses and sled dogs, most people on technical forums are probably unaware of the term "gee haw".

    Jargon from our elders is more educational that Geek Speek. These are your great grandfathers sayings.

    Just finished uploading the last video with the tobacco leaf flyer in it. Just 1 pass to add to the other 9 or so. I flagged it as temporary (30 days) so not to wear out my welcome at archove.org.

    http://www.archive.org/details/TobaccoLeafFlyerTheLastClip

    The action is from 00:08.18 to 00:08.23

    How fast is this flyer. At what speed is it gaining altitude. Anybody out there a rocket scientist.

    Interest is picking up on the Hooded crow videos. I'll have to upload all 230 videos of this bird as a warmup for the complete trapline collection (hundreds more)

    Still not much action on the Dino Mummy baits. Must be out of season.

    Given all this collaboration going on. How in H*** could the Swampies lose at the NetSquared $100,000 mashup?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    How in H*** could the Swampies lose at the NetSquared $100,000 mashup?
     

    Because 'Swampies' don't exist, and you are a retard?

     

    Just taking the most logical guess...



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    As well the other day a friend said her son wrote his first code at 9 years old. I bet the kids coding habits wouldn't sit well with this group either. Jam it kid. jam it.

     

    Dude, I wrote my first programs when I was 9 in an early-80s version of gw-basic.  I didn't have any idea what I was doing and had no reference materials to work off of.  I only learned the syntax through trial-and-error and didn't know a thing about functions.  I gathered a number of old floppy disks from various sources and some had basic code I could actually run, so I furthered my education by reading the sources of those programs.  My methodology would probably best be summed up as "Jam it!" and let me just say, I jammed the fuck out of it.  Still, at 9 with no training, no knowledge of functions and copious use of line-number gotos my code was still better than yours.  At the time, I knew I was missing something and it wasn't until I got a book on C that I actually started connecting the dots.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Jamming it is more fun and it works.

    Yeah, extensive design is boring and "jamming it" is fun. But if you're building an application that's meant to be actually used, you need to have some idea what you're doing.

    I build little script things all the time without any design whatsoever - just write build a barely working Perl/Ruby script, and, hey presto, I can suddenly work more productively. Just the other day I wrote a tiny Perl script for converting and tagging game video files, for example - no design, not even error handling, not needed for one-time conversion of a few dozen files. But if I built the script for continuous use, I'd definitely put error handling in from the very beginning. If I built a Generic, Flexible Video Conversion Tool, some planning beforehand and writing solid code would be the highest priority. If I built it for The Masses too, I'd put even more thought to the underlying technologies and sure as heck not build a patchwork of scripts that use pre-built tools - I'd probably write it in C/C++/Java and integrate video coding libraries directly.

    Also, I'm a believer in prototyping. It's perfectly okay to "jam it" and build a crappy prototype in a suitable language. But there always comes the time when that thing has to be pushed aside, analysed for figuring out what went wrong and what went right, and it's time to build the real version. Also remember that sometimes crappy prototypes are a bit too hard to abandon.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    How fast is this flyer. At what speed is it gaining altitude. Anybody out there a rocket scientist.
     

    No, we all followed your advice and dropped out of school after grade 9.



  • @WWWWolf said:

    Yeah, extensive design is boring and "jamming it" is fun. But if you're building an application that's meant to be actually used, you need to have some idea what you're doing.

    I build little script things all the time without any design whatsoever - just write build a barely working Perl/Ruby script, and, hey presto, I can suddenly work more productively. Just the other day I wrote a tiny Perl script for converting and tagging game video files, for example - no design, not even error handling, not needed for one-time conversion of a few dozen files. But if I built the script for continuous use, I'd definitely put error handling in from the very beginning. If I built a Generic, Flexible Video Conversion Tool, some planning beforehand and writing solid code would be the highest priority. If I built it for The Masses too, I'd put even more thought to the underlying technologies and sure as heck not build a patchwork of scripts that use pre-built tools - I'd probably write it in C/C++/Java and integrate video coding libraries directly.

    Also, I'm a believer in prototyping. It's perfectly okay to "jam it" and build a crappy prototype in a suitable language. But there always comes the time when that thing has to be pushed aside, analysed for figuring out what went wrong and what went right, and it's time to build the real version. Also remember that sometimes crappy prototypes are a bit too hard to abandon.

    This is like trying to desribe quantum physics to a rock (a magic rock!)



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Given all this collaboration going on. How in H*** could the Swampies lose at the NetSquared $100,000 mashup?
     

    Yup, there sure is a lot of collaboration going on.  You are posting a ton of bullshit, and the rest of the forum members are collaborating to laugh at you.  Let's take a look at some of the tools used for this collaboration:

    • Internet
    • World Wide Web
    • Various web browsers (IE, Firefox, Opera)
    • Operating Systems those web browsers are running on (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X)
    • Computers those OS's are running on (laptops, desktops)
    • DailyWTF forum software (Community Server)
    • archive.org 
    • youtube
    • google videos

    Wow, last time I checked, you didn't invent any of that shit!  Yet you could not continue to befuddle and annoy complete strangers if those things did not exist.

    Did you notice how MPS created an entire website designed to mock you, the result of collaboration of dailywtf users, without using SSDS at all?  Wow, how did he do that?

    Also, none of your favourite collaboration websites use SSDS at all, either:

    • archive.org 
    • youtube
    • google videos

    Your favourite mapping site, maps.google.com, doesn't use SSDS, either.  In fact, none of the millions of pages on the web run on SSDS or use SSDS in any way, last time I checked.

    Can you explain any of that, since SSDS is allegedly an essential tool for collaboration?

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    Jargon from our elders is more educational that Geek Speek. These are your great grandfathers sayings.

    How the fuck does that help me, given that my great-grandfathers probably did not do much work in the high-stakes field of data processing data data processing?  Like it or not, we no longer live in a world where all learning is passed verbally (e.g. through telling stories).  Elders no longer have highest position of respect in society, because they no longer possess the most knowledge.  It is young adults who have the most knowledge (not necessarily wisdom), because of this little think we like to call book learning.  You may not like it, but that's the real world for you.

    Unfortunately for you, this means you have to be continously learning, even as you get older, instead of resting on your laurels.  Your knowledge of the term "Gee Haw" really doesn't give you an advantage over us.  Telling us what "Gee Haw" means really doesn't help us with our jobs, sorry.

    Believe it or not, "Geek Speek" is not a massive conspiracy.  Every specialized industry or profession needs special jargon so its members can communicate more effectively.  Yes, in some cases this has the negative effect of keeping outsiders in the dark.  The medical and legal professions are good examples of this.   Many people are calling for doctors to use everyday language whereever possible, to improve patient relations.  Every profession could probably stand to lose some jargon.  But, in the case of computer science, there do happen to be a ton of specialized concepts that can't be explained away by catchphrases like "Jam It!"  The fact that nobody understands what the fuck you are trying to say half the time should give you a clue.

    Your problem is you take every issue in life and blow it out of proportion so you can take the most ridiculous, extreme stance possible:

    • Politicians are corrupt, therefore I must paint my head yellow and run in the federal election
    • Education is not always useful, therefore we must all drop out of school in Grade 9
    • Sometimes jargon is not necessary, therefore ALL JARGON is useless
    • Proprietary data formats are bad, therefore we must put all our data in gigantic unstructured plain text files

    You even admitted in many forums that you like to take the most extreme stance possible just to piss people off (e.g. video editing).  Didn't your respected and cherished elders teach you not intentionally make people angry?  Didn't they teach you basic manners and common decency?  Don't give me that nonsense that "it's okay to pick on people if you do it equally".

     

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Or Kill it - Kill it - Kill SSDS. Kill it lots. I do.  
    An application that doesn't even exit properly - wonderful.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Only the morons would be interested in this search. Such bad code and all. What a way to leave the Know-IT-Alls in our dust.
    Err....

     

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Jamming it is more fun and it works.
    It doesn't work if the SSDS source is anything to go by.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    You might want to read my "How to Build a Search Engine" post on channel9 - 52,000 others have.
    I have - you sound like a moron in it.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Your way works but not as fast and as fun as Jamming it. When the Designer isn't the Jammer and <> the programmer. Look out. Sometimes the results are not so good. With this program. It was an evolution from a text search to photo display to video and audio play.
    Designing and planning make the actual coding far easier and simpler. Just mashing the keyboard to see what happens may give quick initial results but ultimately ends up with unmaintainable code....

    [quote user="SpectateSwamp"]If any of you have found a serious problem (not just cosmetic) with the search let me know. [/quote]Valid bugs have been submitted on sourceforge - you ignored them however...

     [quote user="SpectateSwamp"]Jam it with video. Jam it with pictures. Jam it with SSDS. Designing it. Phooy[/quote]You sound more and more like an idiot with every post.



  •  Another great quote for the site:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    the only way he could stop it was to kill

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I just

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Kill

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Kill

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Kill

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    lots

    Disturbing stuff, Spectate.



  • Don't forget about the Swamp_Rap.mp3, I didn't see it posted on the site.

     

    http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/7593/149517.aspx#149517 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Still not much action on the Dino Mummy baits. Must be out of season.

     

     

    This is great, I just love how he keeps putting out these great quotes.  Submitted. 

     

    You know, I once tried to fish for fossilized fish too, but it didn't work.  Maybe the whole "being dead" thing is related somehow. 



  • Dino Mummy Experts wanted

    Victims from the Cretaceous epock found. 3 different Dino Mummy sites miles apart, indicate this area fell within the splash zone from the final impact. This is the last page from the final chapter in the book on Dinosaurs! Here in sandstone for everybody to see.

    Mummified monster fish 

    @burntfuse said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Still not much action on the Dino Mummy baits. Must be out of season.

     

     

    This is great, I just love how he keeps putting out these great quotes.  Submitted. 

     

    You know, I once tried to fish for fossilized fish too, but it didn't work.  Maybe the whole "being dead" thing is related somehow. 

    Using the wrong bait and not making the Paleos mad enough, because SpectateSwamp is a kindly old guy.

     



  • It looks like a blurry photo of the piece of tinfoil you use to keep the aliens out of your head!



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @burntfuse said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Still not much action on the Dino Mummy baits. Must be out of season.

     

     

    This is great, I just love how he keeps putting out these great quotes.  Submitted. 

     

    You know, I once tried to fish for fossilized fish too, but it didn't work.  Maybe the whole "being dead" thing is related somehow. 

    Using the wrong bait and not making the Paleos mad enough, because SpectateSwamp is a kindly old guy.

     

    Yup, pretty much everyone understand what you said, after thinking about it extra-hard.  But your choice of words was so ridiculous that someone was bound to mock it.

    Didn't your wise and respected elders teach you that baiting human beings is not nice?  You can't treat people like the animals on your trapline.



  • Withered old fishhead found

    @WeatherGod said:

    It looks like a blurry photo of the piece of tinfoil you use to keep the aliens out of your head!

    Yup a bad picture done of a bad picture. You'll have to wait a bit for a better view of this Monster.


  • Perhaps on the site, we could have a page with terminology that Swamp uses, in a simular form to a dictionary -- I'll be willing to do a partial writeup 

     In the meantime, "Jamming it" sounds like a synonom to "Shotgun Debugging"

     

     

    Radiation tag because this is like Chernobyl, something horribly unhealthy to be around, but people are attracted to gawk at it anyway... 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    her son wrote his first code at 9 years old. I bet the kids coding habits wouldn't sit well with this group either. Jam it kid. jam it.
     

    Yeah but I'm sure this group would make allowances for the kid being 9 years old and new to programming.  Your excuse??



  • Shotgun Debugging with Swamp search

    @DigitalXeron said:

     In the meantime, "Jamming it" sounds like a synonom to "Shotgun Debugging"
    thats pretty much it. But in spurts. When a program evolves over a number of years. The best methods of implementing each new feature isn't rushed. When you have the luxury of not doing anything on the program the best ideas surface that are too good and easy to resist. It is seldom the first thought or idea that is the easiest to implement.

    With debugging people are always encouraging the use of "debugger" utilities. I use these print and form header changes to do the same thing. Leaving these around to be reactivated by some dumb SOB that wants to customize the swamp search. If you don't have a copy of VB5 or VB6 then maybe somebody you know will do a quick build for you. The video of this step exists and a new one will be done. When I can find a video assistant. One handed typing and videoing is gonna be harder than capturing aliens.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    With debugging people are always encouraging the use of "debugger" utilities.
     

    I know, it's crazy!  And you've got these other idiots who claim you should be using "editing" tools to "edit" video, instead of reshooting your laptop screen with a camcorder.  Then you've got the other fools who claim that you need to go to "school" to get an "education".  What the funk is that all about?@SpectateSwamp said:

    I use these print and form header changes to do the same thing.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Trust me, EVERYBODY know how to use printf/syslog/printk/_TRACE/alert/etc. to do printf-style quick-and-dirty debugging.  Just because that's one useful tool for debugging when you are in a hurry, doesn't mean it's the ONLY way to do it.  Just like text files are good for some purposes, but there's no reason to use them for everything under the sun. 

    Next you'll tell us you revolutionized plumbing by digging a latrine in your backyard.

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    I use these print and form header changes to do the same thing. Leaving these around to be reactivated by some dumb SOB that wants to customize the swamp search.
     

    Oh, yeah.  This is much better:

            start_point = 0 '16 July 2003 Ver=1.07T
            start_point = 10 '09 September 2003 service pack 1 needs this ????
            line_start_point = 0 '19 July 2003 Ver=1.07T
            line_start_point = 10 '11 March 2007
     



  • @WeatherGod said:

    It looks like a blurry photo of the piece of tinfoil you use to keep the aliens out of your head!
     

    No, it looks more like Epic Fail Guy.  Strangely appropriate for Spectate don't you think?

    EFG Stone



  • @DigitalXeron said:

    I'll be willing to do a partial writeup 
     

    I could do that. What if we did it submission style like the quotes?

    That could be pretty cool.

     

    Swamptionary?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    If you don't have a copy of VB5 or VB6
     

    So what happens when your computer inevitably blows up, your VB5 install media is broken, and VB5 is no longer attainable by any means, or even runnable on whatever version of Windows you get with the new computer? How will you compile/run your spaghetti then? 



  • @MarcB said:

    So what happens when your computer inevitably blows up, your VB5 install media is broken, and VB5 is no longer attainable by any means, or even runnable on whatever version of Windows you get with the new computer?

     

     

    Then we'll be finally be free!..

     But I'll miss the laughs 



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    I could do that. What if we did it submission style like the quotes?

    That could be pretty cool.

     

    Swamptionary?

     

     

    Sounds perfect -- it would keep the editing burden off you when Swamp comes up with a new word/term.



  •  That was a photo?  I thought that SpectateSwamp had tried to learn fingerpainting.



  • @lpope187 said:

    No, it looks more like Epic Fail Guy.  Strangely appropriate for Spectate don't you think?

    EFG Stone

    I'm pretty sure you just insulted EFG.


  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    With debugging people are always encouraging the use of "debugger" utilities.
    Integrated debugging tools can be a big help when debugging! the ability to see the contents of variables etc. and check a call stack (not applicable in your case due to lack of functions and subroutines) can be very valuable.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    If you don't have a copy of VB5 or VB6 then maybe somebody you know will do a quick build for you.
    VB5 not VB6 as it will not compile under VB6.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The video of this step exists and a new one will be done.
    You could just create a zip file of a vb project - the form etc. rather than requiring everyone to do this themseleves...



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    If you don't have a copy of VB5 or VB6 then maybe somebody you know will do a quick build for you.

    Yeah, maybe we can just write the code on one of these and mail it to the Computing Facility where the Program will be Compiled and Run. You can spend years "jamming it" this way.

    Like I've said, your language choice was a limiting factor, and your design choices limited portability further. Had you written the thing properly, it would have been easier to port to VB.NET; had it been ported to VB.NET, you might have gotten some support from open source developers - there's the Mono Visual Basic Compiler, so this wouldn't have been quite the dead end it is now.


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