Mashup Challenge $100,000 prize - WTF if Spectate Swamp wins?
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@dabean said:
I really think this is a (misguided) marketing attempt.
In the case of the whole keyboard versus mouse debate, I think he really believes that keyboard is faster and superior (in all cases) to the mouse. Look at SSDS, for cripes sakes! For once I would like to see Spectate admit he is wrong about something, which is why I challenged him to find a computer user who would not mind giving up using a mouse forever.
I know, it's kinda crazy. I think Spectate has that effect on some people....
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@ender said:
Am I the only one who just can't get used to Ctrl+XCV and uses Shift+Del, Ctrl+Ins and Shift+Ins instead?
It took me ten years to kick that habit. Please don't remind me.
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Lessons in Speed from SpectateSwamp
@bstorer said:
If you had any skill whatsoever, you'd find that the entirety of the keyboard is quickly accessible. I can type anything on the keyboard while looking away. Just because you're apparently hunt-and-pecking doesn't mean that touch typing is beyond the grasp of the common man. Pay attention, man. The current generation of kids are all going to be vastly more effective with the keyboard than your generation or mine, simply by the ubiquitous nature of computers today.
Way back I was a pricing clerk. I used an adding machine all day. At that time auditors were considered the very fastest at adding numbers up. I was even faster. How about the speed of telegraph operators. There could fly with just tappity tap. People will learn shortcuts if they are real time savers. At the pulp and paper mill. The users would be in 4 or 5 different sessions at a time. Finding a purchase order or inventory item, supplier or vendor number. In those sessions. I'd save the entry in Spectate_invent.txt or Spectate_po.txt ... file containing the last 10 occurances. When they switched to the other session all they had to do to call it up, was enter "." (period) enter. If they wanted the most recent number, another enter would select that item. I showed it to the staff. None of them jumped right in. I was working 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off then. When I came back they were all using it. And pointing out places where I missed implementing the utility. The people that designed the system were all smarter than poor poor old SpectateSwamp and I improved on their work. Left handers shouldn't be ignored either. Do inset numeric and quick keys for them. Keyboards should have an enter key on the left as well. Typewriters did.
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I keep reading his comments and replies and so on... and its all the exact same pattern:
SpectateSwamp: Hey guys heres a point I made which is more retarded than my last one... discuss...
<various people>: THAT DOES NOT EVEN MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD
SpectateSwamp: Hey guys heres another point I made which is more retarded than my last one... Has absolutely no, or almost no, relation to the responses to the previous point... discuss...
<various people>: THAT DOES NOT EVEN MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD
etc...
How can we break the cycle? What is our salvation? Maybe we should pool money to hire a psychaiatrist to help our friend SpectateSwamp? sorry did I say friend? I mean our annoying, conspiracy-theorising, stone-dancing, desktop searching tumor.
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SHIFT+INS FTW!
@stolen_username said:
It took me ten years to kick that habit. Please don't remind me.
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Brought to you by the key combinations SHIFT+DEL and SHIFT+INS
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@SpectateSwamp said:
That dog must have been "Jim the wonderdog". He was smarter than all of us here.
@http://jimthewonderdog.com/ said:
</font><font color="#0000ff" face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial"> </font>
- <font color="#ff0000" face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial">Jim was able to pick out colors a person was wearing, although dogs are apparently color-blind. </font>
- <font color="#ff0000" face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial">He could pick out a car by its owner, color, make, or license plate number. </font>
- <font color="#ff0000" face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial">He could pick out a variety of trees or shrubs, name of a business, or the occupation or home of a stranger. </font>
- <font color="#ff0000" face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial">As Jim could not speak, a variety of answers were written on slips of paper even in different languages and Jim would always pick out the correct one</font>
I can do all that, too.
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@TDC said:
@http://jimthewonderdog.com/ said:
</FONT><FONT face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial" color=#0000ff></FONT>
- <FONT face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial" color=#ff0000>Jim was able to pick out colors a person was wearing, although dogs are apparently color-blind. </FONT>
- <FONT face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial" color=#ff0000>He could pick out a car by its owner, color, make, or license plate number. </FONT>
- <FONT face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial" color=#ff0000>He could pick out a variety of trees or shrubs, name of a business, or the occupation or home of a stranger. </FONT>
- <FONT face="comic sans ms,Courier New,arial" color=#ff0000>As Jim could not speak, a variety of answers were written on slips of paper even in different languages and Jim would always pick out the correct one</FONT>
I can do all that, too.
Reminds me of Clever Hans.
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You do realize that every program does different things, so shortcuts for every program are different. People only learn shortcuts for programs they frequently use, and even then not always. If you want special shortcuts that YOU like to do exactly what you want, its called macros available in some programs, and you can even cusotmize the shortcut keys to what you like in most programs.
Also as I have suggested earlier:
Get a copy of "The Wiggles: Big Red Boat" and watch it. There is a skid there about thinking about others. Trust me watch it once, twice, twenty times, once you understand then come back and tell us your revelation, but not a minute before!
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Left handers shouldn't be ignored either. Do inset numeric and quick keys for them. Keyboards should have an enter key on the left as well. Typewriters did.
I'm left-handed, and I've never wished for an enter key on the left side of the keyboard. I have no trouble pressing Enter with my right hand. This reminds of when the first iMacs came out, and you could plug in your mouse into either side. A friend excitedly told me about it, to which I responded, "Why would I want to do that?" I'm used to using the mouse with my right hand, and it leaves my stronger hand on the keyboard, which requires more dexterity.
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@bstorer said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Left handers shouldn't be ignored either. Do inset numeric and quick keys for them. Keyboards should have an enter key on the left as well. Typewriters did.
I'm left-handed, and I've never wished for an enter key on the left side of the keyboard. I have no trouble pressing Enter with my right hand. This reminds of when the first iMacs came out, and you could plug in your mouse into either side. A friend excitedly told me about it, to which I responded, "Why would I want to do that?" I'm used to using the mouse with my right hand, and it leaves my stronger hand on the keyboard, which requires more dexterity.I had the exact same response. I remember how windows has a feature to change mouse left or right handed (hell you can put it anywhere), and I ask "why?"
Just because you don't want to learn something does not mean that your way is the correct way.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Keyboards should have an enter key on the left as well. Typewriters did.
At the risk of troll feeding, we really do need to invent a real left handed keyboard some day.
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@arty said:
Dvorak's not bad. The only reason I don't still use it is because it took a little while to switch gears every time I was forced to use a QWERTY keyboard. Of course, now I use one of these, and I seem to manage that just fine.@SpectateSwamp said:
Keyboards should have an enter key on the left as well. Typewriters did.
At the risk of troll feeding, we really do need to invent a real left handed keyboard some day.
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@bstorer said:
Of course, now I use one of these, and I seem to manage that just fine.
That actually looks uncomfortable, don't your wrists get strained type on that, specifically with the deep pits in the back and the random buttons top center?
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
Nope. I use those all the time still because I used them for so many years in DOS. The only time I use the CTRL+X/C/V is when the application uses special data and doesn't respond to the SHIFT ones.
I only used them for about 2 or 3 years in DOS before switching to Windows 3.1, but it was enough that I prefer them to Ctrl+XCV (but I was around 10, so this might make a difference). I do use the Ctrl shortcuts when I work with mouse, but while typing it's always the old ones. I also once noticed on some very locked down machine that they somehow disabled the Ctrl+XCV keys (don't ask why), but the old shortcuts still worked fine.
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@ender said:
@bstorer said:
They can have my C-x C-c when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!
Am I the only one who just can't get used to Ctrl+XCV and uses Shift+Del, Ctrl+Ins and Shift+Ins instead?Don't worry... I do it too. I hate it when I am in a Java-based program and it doesn't recognize those commands (MatLab... I am looking at you!)
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@dlikhten said:
I had the exact same response. I remember how windows has a feature to change mouse left or right handed (hell you can put it anywhere), and I ask "why?"
Just because you don't want to learn something does not mean that your way is the correct way.
In this case, I don't think it's a question of which way is "correct" or "wanting to learn new things".
Just because a right-handed mouse is good for right-handed people like me, doesn't mean it is good for left-handed people. Just because bstorer is comfortable using a right-handed mouse, doesn't mean all left-handed people are comfortable doing so.
If you doubt this, switch the handedness of your mouse (e.g. from right to left) and see how comfortable you are with that. Try switching your dominant hand for batting/pitching/shooting basketballs/using chopsticks/whatever and see how easy it is.
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@Lingerance said:
@bstorer said:
As long as you sit such that the keboard is lower than your elbows, no, because your fingers kinda fall into the pits. It's actually the most comfortable keyboard I've ever owned for extensive typing. It does suck for the C family of languages, though, but what keyboard doesn't?Of course, now I use one of these, and I seem to manage that just fine.
That actually looks uncomfortable, don't your wrists get strained type on that, specifically with the deep pits in the back and the random buttons top center?
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@dlikhten said:
and I ask "why?"
Because if they didn't you would have forums clogged with people exclaiming "WTF!? HOW COULD THEY NOT HAVE THAT????!!!!1!!!~!"
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@arty said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Keyboards should have an enter key on the left as well. Typewriters did.
At the risk of troll feeding, we really do need to invent a real left handed keyboard some day.
It's already been done. That one doesn't have an Enter key on the left side though, unless you count the one on the keypad.
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@dlikhten said:
I had the exact same response. I remember how windows has a feature to change mouse left or right handed (hell you can put it anywhere), and I ask "why?"
Just because you don't want to learn something does not mean that your way is the correct way.
My wife uses the mouse on the left side. She says it's uncomfortable for it to be on the right. I can usually tell when she's been on my computer because she tends to forget to put the mouse back. The strange thing is that she doesn't remap the buttons, so she ends up left-clicking with her middle finger. I'd think that would be uncomfortable. I like my trackball here at work, though. I left-click with my thumb and right-click with my pinky.
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@dlikhten said:
How can we break the cycle?
I know.... Stop. Fuc.King. Replying.
He's not reading (or more specifically addressing) your replies, you lot clearly aren't reading each others'.
You lot have even worked yourselves up in such a frenzy that you've even created a dedicated website for this twat.
I'm sick of deleting this crap out of my mail box because someone, and largely SS, but others are to blame (hello killfile!,) keeps changing the fucking subject!
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@PJH said:
@dlikhten said:
How can we break the cycle?
I know.... Stop. Fuc.King. Replying.
He's not reading (or more specifically addressing) your replies, you lot clearly aren't reading each others'.
You lot have even worked yourselves up in such a frenzy that you've even created a dedicated website for this twat.
I'm sick of deleting this crap out of my mail box because someone, and largely SS, but others are to blame (hello killfile!,) keeps changing the fucking subject!
How about you stop your email subscription, and quit whining instead?
And was that even english? WTF?
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
How about you stop your email subscription, and quit whining instead?
Email subscriptions are only done on a forum, not a thread, as this is in the side bar one would presume that if anyone has at least one subscription it would be to this forum. Somehow I think I just violated the orange rule.
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@Lingerance said:
Email subscriptions are only done on a forum, not a thread, as this is in the side bar one would presume that if anyone has at least one subscription it would be to this forum. Somehow I think I just violated the orange rule.
Yeah but it really doesn't matter. The only thing less productive than complaining about SpectateSwamp, is complaining about people complaining about him.
Just because you don't have an interest in the thread doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't enjoy ourselves. The solution to PJH's problem is simple. Stop the subscription and you wont have to delete crap from your inbox. Whoa!
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Real speed comes from making user entry faster.
@bstorer said:
I'm left-handed, and I've never wished for an enter key on the left side of the keyboard.
The lady I was thinking of implementing the lefthanded numeric keypad for had the tips of her fingers on the right hand taken off in an accident at the papermill. There are others that are missing a finger or two on their right hand. It is just so easy to do these little improvements. When entering a numeric field, like phone number or Postal code (US only) it's so easy to translate "jkl" to "456" The turd that came up with alpha numeric alpha numeric alpha for postal codes in Canada should be horse whipped and get a Damn big horse.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
The lady I was thinking of implementing the lefthanded numeric keypad for had the tips of her fingers on the right hand taken off in an accident at the papermill. There are others that are missing a finger or two on their right hand. It is just so easy to do these little improvements. When entering a numeric field, like phone number or Postal code (US only) it's so easy to translate "jkl" to "456" The turd that came up with alpha numeric alpha numeric alpha for postal codes in Canada should be horse whipped and get a Damn big horse.
Spectate, you completely ignored my $100 challenge. I take it you are not interested? If I don't hear from you soon, I'm taking it off the table.
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@CodeSimian said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
The lady I was thinking of implementing the lefthanded numeric keypad for had the tips of her fingers on the right hand taken off in an accident at the papermill. There are others that are missing a finger or two on their right hand. It is just so easy to do these little improvements. When entering a numeric field, like phone number or Postal code (US only) it's so easy to translate "jkl" to "456" The turd that came up with alpha numeric alpha numeric alpha for postal codes in Canada should be horse whipped and get a Damn big horse.
Spectate, you completely ignored my $100 challenge. I take it you are not interested? If I don't hear from you soon, I'm taking it off the table.
He is a RIOT! Oh man, so this is not a lefty keyboard this is a keyboard for people missing certain fingers? OMG of course, why would we not have that for everyone at their inconvenience to satisfy only one person.
Now had he made the statement: "I am working on a special keyboard to help my handicaped friend who lost a few fingers so that she can have an easier time typing." I would be totally sympathetic to his cause (for that particular issue), but that would not be a LEFTY keyboard, that would be a keyboard with w/e special layout, and most likely specific to only his friend's needs.
Also MasterPlanSoftware what is the lawn tag for?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
horse whipped
Wow he is VIOLENT! My god and this is the guy who claims to be more enlightened then us? I guess next computer will have a giant sledge hammer ontop of the screen, you make a typo and POW!!!!!! head injury! We will also no longer need the backspace and del buttons because there are no mistakes, only head injuries! Everyone will think twice before typing anything. Also MasterPlanSoftware will be out of work critisizing my spelling for multiple reasons :)
The sledgehammer system will also have easy re-programming so you can change the jkl keys into bnz keys and 123 into ,./ and so on. In the end you are going to be better off just wearing a rubber helmet and randomly hitting the keys.
EDIT: I think he ignores the numeric keypad on laptops or keyboards in the same way that he ignores our posts.
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@dlikhten said:
but that would not be a LEFTY keyboard, that would be a keyboard with w/e special layout, and most likely specific to only his friend's needs.
So the easiest thing to do would be to get a USB numeric keypad. Then it can be placed anywhere.
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@dlikhten said:
Also MasterPlanSoftware what is the lawn tag for?
For the automaton lawnmower, of course.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
@dlikhten said:
but that would not be a LEFTY keyboard, that would be a keyboard with w/e special layout, and most likely specific to only his friend's needs.
So the easiest thing to do would be to get a USB numeric keypad. Then it can be placed anywhere.
Damnit Abby, shut up! You are not suposed to give out high-tech secrets to the public! Only everyone knows about this and we don't want to alert everyone else!
Having said that, there are multiple keyboards you can buy, specially for laptop plugins which contain no numeric keypad on the main keyboard, a separate numeric pad, smaller mouse, even one made for multiple languages which has an LCD that displays what letters are currently being used. I am sure you can also use already existing software which can reprogram the keyboard to re-arrange what each key means just incase it will help make SS's handicapped friend's life a bit easier (granted that they indeed do need to re-arrange their keyboard and its not just SS's lunacy). Ok enough with re-arranging key thoughts because I get the feeling its just his lunacy talking. Hes getting to me! ARG SS GET OUT OF MY HEAD! NO DESKTOP SEARCHING WITH RE-ARRANGED KEYS ON MY KEYBOARD!
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@dlikhten said:
Damnit Abby, shut up! You are not suposed to give out high-tech secrets to the public! Only everyone knows about this and we don't want to alert everyone else!
LOL!!
@dlikhten said:
even one made for multiple languages which has an LCD that displays what letters are currently being used. I am sure you can also use already existing software which can reprogram the keyboard to re-arrange what each key means
I want one of those. I play so many different RPGs and RTS games on my computer that I can't keep track of which hotkeys mean what (and they are usually all over the friggin' place). If I could remap the keys to a convenient layout and provide a little graphic, that'd be awesome. Alas, those LCD keyboards are expensive.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
@dlikhten said:
Also MasterPlanSoftware what is the lawn tag for?
For the automaton lawnmower, of course.
Nono, the "Get off my lawn you punks" one.
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@dlikhten said:
Nono, the "Get off my lawn you punks" one.
I know that. You specifically named MPS, so it wouldn't be my overlord one. I was just tossing out a reason.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
@dlikhten said:
Damnit Abby, shut up! You are not suposed to give out high-tech secrets to the public! Only everyone knows about this and we don't want to alert everyone else!
LOL!!
@dlikhten said:
even one made for multiple languages which has an LCD that displays what letters are currently being used. I am sure you can also use already existing software which can reprogram the keyboard to re-arrange what each key means
I want one of those. I play so many different RPGs and RTS games on my computer that I can't keep track of which hotkeys mean what (and they are usually all over the friggin' place). If I could remap the keys to a convenient layout and provide a little graphic, that'd be awesome. Alas, those LCD keyboards are expensive.
Fuck! I completely forgot. There are GAMER KEYBOARDS which are special pads of keys like wasd,1234567890, enter, tab, and a bunch of other keys, in convenient locations so you can easily access the buttons for certain gaims (like the one for World of Warcraft), shoot there are all sort of crazy keyboards out there. Look at the gear for FPS games, they are even made to make less noise and press faster and easier because they need better responsiveness on the keyboard so they can sleep knowing they are the ub3r l337 g4m3rz!
SS go look up whats available. Think of questions and google them. Then come back here telling us what a minimum of 100 hours of homework has yeilded.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
I know that. You specifically named MPS, so it wouldn't be my overlord one. I was just tossing out a reason.
I like your one better though. Definately got more awsomeness to it.
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@dlikhten said:
uck! I completely forgot. There are GAMER KEYBOARDS which are special pads of keys like wasd,1234567890, enter, tab, and a bunch of other keys, in convenient locations so you can easily access the buttons for certain gaims (like the one for World of Warcraft), shoot there are all sort of crazy keyboards out there.
I doubt they have any logical configurations I could use. I tend to play somewhat (if not totally) obscure games that are 2+ years old. The one I'm working on right now is Heretic Kingdoms: The Inquisition. Maybe I could find one that could be mapped in a way I could use. Then I could drop a WP 5.1-style template on it. LOL
@dlikhten said:
so they can sleep knowing they are the ub3r l337 g4m3rz
cracks up
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Get those quickie Web Diplomas
OK, now please use a computer/camera/truck/... designed by someone with a quickie Web Diploma. I beg you to.
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@Renan_S2 said:
OK, now please use a computer/camera/truck/... designed by someone with a quickie Web Diploma. I beg you to.
Dude you are talking to a guy who thinks aliens are writing secret messages in medicine stones that he must dance around to save the world from destruction in 2012... I don't think anything after that should be surprising/make sense/have any rationalle behind it.
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@Renan_S2 said:
OK, now please use a computer/camera/truck/... designed by someone with a quickie Web Diploma. I beg you to.
Ok, SpectateSwamp is definitely an idiot and way off base, but let's not keep on with the generalized bashing of non degreed people.Not just your post, but just in general the trend in this thread.
I don't have any college degree (not even a single credit, actually) and I do EE design and project management on a large scale for a huge manufacturing company. I also do software engineering, and many other things. (I own two companies on the side.) I run circles around a lot of degreed people in any of the fields I am in. I worked hard to gain respect amongst those people. I don't believe this is true for all people (ESPECIALLY spectate).
So I don't consider myself 1337 or anything else, and I wouldn't normally go off about this, but I certainly don't need to hear that a degree makes the man. It is defintely not true. If you are stupid and have no talent, college is not going to change that. Even if spectate somehow managed to get a PHD he would still be a fucking retard.
Alright, sorry, carry on.
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
I want one of those. I play so many different RPGs and RTS games on my computer that I can't keep track of which hotkeys mean what (and they are usually all over the friggin' place). If I could remap the keys to a convenient layout and provide a little graphic, that'd be awesome. Alas, those LCD keyboards are expensive.
You mean something like this? :)
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
@dlikhten said:
even one made for multiple languages which has an LCD that displays what letters are currently being used. I am sure you can also use already existing software which can reprogram the keyboard to re-arrange what each key means
I want one of those. I play so many different RPGs and RTS games on my computer that I can't keep track of which hotkeys mean what (and they are usually all over the friggin' place). If I could remap the keys to a convenient layout and provide a little graphic, that'd be awesome. Alas, those LCD keyboards are expensive.
It's the Optimus Maximus keyboard and it costs about $450. http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/
I have an old Gateway 2000 AnyKey PS/2 keyboard that lets you remap all keys and even assign macros to most keys, in the hardware, without any special program on the computer. Unfortunately they quit making them around 1995, and some newer BIOSes don't recognize it during boot (No keyboard found. Press any key to continue, or any other key to enter Setup), though it works fine if I hot-swap it in later.
Also, Linux users can easily remap keys with xmodmap.
@ender said:
Am I the only one who just can't get used to Ctrl+XCV and uses Shift+Del, Ctrl+Ins and Shift+Ins instead?
Does anybody else remember Turbo Pascal 3? Ctrl-K B to mark the start of a selection, Ctrl-K K at the end of the selection (first and last letters of "block"; I suppose Ctrl-K because you want to execute a special Kommand). Ctrl-K C to copy that block to where the cursor currently is. Ctrl-K M moved the block to the cursor, Ctrl-K Y deleted the block ("Y" looks sort of like scissors). Of course, Ctrl-K D to quit ("done").
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
Ok, SpectateSwamp is definitely an idiot and way off base, but let's not keep on with the generalized bashing of non degreed people.Not just your post, but just in general the trend in this thread.
I don't have any college degree (not even a single credit, actually) and I do EE design and project management on a large scale for a huge manufacturing company. I also do software engineering, and many other things. (I own two companies on the side.) I run circles around a lot of degreed people in any of the fields I am in. I worked hard to gain respect amongst those people. I don't believe this is true for all people (ESPECIALLY spectate).
To be clear, I never bashed Spectate because he doesn't have a degree. (At least I don't think I did. I hope not.) In fact, I think one of the newspaper articles said he studied computer science and economics (it didn't specify whether he has a degree or not).
I bashed Spectate because of his general hatred for learning (especially book learning) and "thinking hard" (i.e. being a geek). According to him, trying to get an education is a sucker's game. To me, getting an education can include formal learning, it can include gaining knowledge through experience, and it can also be accomplished by reading books on your own.
IMO, for him to say "nobody needs more than Grade 8/9", "teachers and principals are worthless" and "college degrees are garbage" is a slap in the face to pretty much everyone, including self-made men/women.
In Spectate's world, nothing comes from effort (e.g. learning on your own). According to him, all his "accomplishments" are derived from the fact that HE, AND NOBODY ELSE, IS SPECIAL.
- His experience at the pulp/paper mills is special. Therefore nobody here can program like him.
- His experience as a trapper makes him special. Therefore nobody understands the environment like him.
- His relationship with the magic stones makes him special. Therefore nobody can make a difference in the world like he can.
- etc.
On the other hand, most anybody can get a good education, including those who teach themselves. Knowledge doesn't discriminate. Nobody can tell me that I can't have my knowledge because I didn't work at the pulp and paper mill in the 1970s or because I wasn't chosen by the magical stones.
That is the real problem I have with Spectate's anti-learning BS. He is basically saying: "I AM SPECIAL AND NONE OF YOU CAN DO WHAT I CAN DO, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY. ALL OF YOUR LEARNING IS USELESS BECAUSE I AM THE ALMIGHTY POWERFUL SPECTATESWAMP"
His attitude is childish and anti-intellectual. The fact that he was thrilled by support from Grade 8 kids (and probably nobody else) during the 93 election speaks volumes about him. (Again, nothing against kids. But you have to admit they do not make the best choices at that age. I know I didn't. There is a reason the voting age is 18, and not, say 11. Kids' minds just aren't mature enough to make certain kinds of judgements.)
- His experience at the pulp/paper mills is special. Therefore nobody here can program like him.
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@CodeSimian said:
I bashed Spectate because of his general hatred for learning (especially book learning) and "thinking hard" (i.e. being a geek). According to him, trying to get an education is a sucker's game.
As another example, when someone in the forums tries to teach Spectate something new THAT COULD ACTUALLY HELP HIM, 95% of the time his response is: "I'm in a not-need-to-know mode. Why would I need to learn that if I have SSDS?"
Translation: His knowledge is special. Ours is worthless BS.
His anti-learning attitude really goes way beyond a hatred of formal education (e.g. high school, university).
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@CodeSimian said:
I bashed Spectate because of his general hatred for learning (especially book learning) and "thinking hard" (i.e. being a geek). According to him, trying to get an education is a sucker's game.
Like I said, I wasn't directing my rant in any specific direction. Was just catching that general 'vibe'. Figured the other side needed to be expressed without coming from retard boy.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
Like I said, I wasn't directing my rant in any specific direction. Was just catching that general 'vibe'. Figured the other side needed to be expressed without coming from retard boy.
Yeah, you definitely made a good point.
That is the infuriating thing about Spectate: some of the things he says almost make sense, but most of his ideas come in such a retarded, offensive and extremist package that you cannot help but reject them.
Example: Spectate says proprietary data formats are bad. Some people would agree with this, but Spectate's solution is to copy and paste everything into a gigantic text file, which makes it very hard to agree with him.
Another example: Spectate thinks the political process is corrupt. Okay, maybe, but Spectate's solution is paint his head yellow and run as the joke candidate in the federal election. Again, automatic failure.
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@dlikhten said:
Fuck! I completely forgot. There are GAMER KEYBOARDS which are special pads of keys like wasd,1234567890, enter, tab, and a bunch of other keys, in convenient locations so you can easily access the buttons for certain gaims (like the one for World of Warcraft), shoot there are all sort of crazy keyboards out there. Look at the gear for FPS games, they are even made to make less noise and press faster and easier because they need better responsiveness on the keyboard so they can sleep knowing they are the ub3r l337 g4m3rz!
I'm not talking about remapping the keyboard. I saying use jjj instead of Ctrl/Alt/Del use kkk to close down, that is way quicker than reaching. Multiple keys having meaning (jkl) (m,.) what every you want. Anyway that is why you all have access to the source code. Put in whatever really really fast keys you want. Any key where you have to move your hand from the home position is a waste of time.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I'm not talking about remapping the keyboard. I saying use jjj instead of Ctrl/Alt/Del use kkk to close down, that is way quicker than reaching.
Spectate, one major problem.
NO ONE HAS EVER, AND NO ONE WILL EVER USE SSDS. You know why? Because it sucks. And actually, so do you.
You fail. At Life.
BTW you are becoming even more famous. We have over 5,000 pageviews at http://www.thestupidestmanonearth.com and it is growing every day. I know you think that is a good thing, and that is fine, I don't really care. But you should know at least 1,000 people have visited the site, just to leave thinking to themselves "What a fucking retard." Your parents would be proud.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
BLA BLA BLA
Okay, Spectate, I can see you're still reading this thread. Right now it's about 4:22PM in Alberta. If you don't accept my $100 challenge by 8:00 AM tomorrow (April 8), Alberta time, the challenge is off the table. If you accept by then, you still have until next Monday to come up with video evidence that you convinced a friend to give up using a mouse FOREVER.
Remember, I have to be convinced by the video. I am assuming all the risk here.
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@bstorer said:
Of course, now I use one of these, and I seem to manage that just fine.
Well, if you like it, then use it. I personally *hate* ergonomic keyboards. There's one for wich I hold an special and remarkable hate, it's one that has the spacebar splitted into 2, and while the right half acts as a spacebar button, the left one is a friggin' backspace!! do you know how annoying it is to type some 40 or 50 words while you re tlking with someone and then when you take a look at the screen it's all jibberish? (because you deleted some letters ehn you actually meant to put a space there, hell it's annoying to fix that kind of text mess)
