π₯ Now - about that dodgy Dihydrogen Monoxide...
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<del>Rhodesian</del> <ins>Flint</ins> Lives Matter!:@Lorne_Kates said:
@PJH said:
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease public smear campaigns
Aren't they a body related to the University?
Man, could you imagine if groups like these were to get their shit together and actually do good in the world-- like demanding the impeachment and arrest of Michigan Gov. Snyder, seizure of money gained from allowing poisoned water, and the restoration of a clean drinking supply to a city of hundreds of thousands of people.
FFS,
, you're literally worse than Michael Moore.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
like demanding the impeachment and arrest of Michigan Gov. Snyde
This seems like an overreaction to Democrat malfeasance at this point. I guess that's what he gets for trying to appoint an overseer who "looks like" the people he was supposed to be overseeing.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Michigan Gov. Snyder
Ah, so everyone involved in that fuckup was a Democrat--specifically, the people who decided to use filthy river water--so of course we have to arrest the one Republican.
Bigot.
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This seems like an overreaction to Democrat malfeasance at this point. I guess that's what he gets for trying to appoint an overseer who "looks like" the people he was supposed to be overseeing.
It isn't an overreaction to someone who, when presented with evidence that his tax-cut driven project was "the fall of Rome"-level poisoning an entire populace, not only IGNORED it, but ACTIVELY FOUGHT AGAINST any further investigation or restoration of the water supply.
But hey, this is coming from a country whose attitude is "Children getting murdered by guns, that's okay. We can live with some dead kids". So I'm not surprised there exists a "Meh, we can deal with our corrupt government poisoning an entire town, and causing permanent brain damage and/or death to an entire generation of children".
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@Lorne_Kates said:
It isn't an overreaction to someone who, when presented with evidence that his tax-cut driven project was "the fall of Rome"-level poisoning an entire populace, not only IGNORED it, but ACTIVELY FOUGHT AGAINST any further investigation or restoration of the water supply.
But why castigate Obama's EPA like that? Racist.
I'll admit to not having followed it all that closely, but as I understand it, it was the state level EPA sort of agency that handled a lot of that. Did it ever get up to the level of the governor? Again, I haven't been following all of the details here, but it sure seems a lot more complicated than the narrative of teh Ebil Rethuglican that you and Michael Moore are trying to peddle.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
causing permanent brain damage β¦ to an entire generation of children".
Those are American children. How can you tell who's a victim and who's not?
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Ah, so everyone involved in that fuckup was a Democrat--specifically, the people who decided to use filthy river water--so of course we have to arrest the one Republican.
Bigot.
I never once mentioned (R) or (D). You guys did.
Start by cutting the head off the snake. The person who actually said "Yes, this plan, do it" has lead-laced blood on his hands. Take him out, stop the ongoing damage. Then open an investigation and anyone else who is responsible needs to face justice.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
. The person who actually said "Yes, this plan, do it" has lead-laced blood on his hands.
That wasn't Snyder. That was local politicians--who are all Democrats. They're trying to scapegoat the one Republican around so none of them have to get in trouble for their own mistake. I find it fascinating that you agree with that attitude.
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I'll admit to not having followed it all that closely, but as I understand it, it was the state level EPA sort of agency that handled a lot of that. Did it ever get up to the level of the governor? Again, I haven't been following all of the details here, but it sure seems a lot more complicated than the narrative of teh Ebil Rethuglican that you and Michael Moore are trying to peddle.
Snyder actively fought to keep the EPA out. He basically said it's a state-level issue, and the feds have no business being there. (Because then he'd be found out and busted). Rather than going "Shit, guys things are fucked up come in quick and help".
Same problem with now, after the fact, declaring a state of emergency. It means the feds come in, and spend federal money doing triage. Fed money will need to be spent at some point BUT the state has about $1.2 BILLION dollars sitting in the kitty-- mainly gained from doing shit like cutting services.
So what should happen is the corrupt Snyder needs to be taken out, the $1.2 Billion used to restore Flint's water supply, and at the same time bring in EPA, Army Corps of Engineers, FEMA, etc to assist.
(R) or (D), don't give a fuck. Anyone who is guilty needs to be dealt with. But most importantly the government has to stop feeding poisoned water to it's citizens, and start putting in supports to the thousands of children who now have permanent brain damage.
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That wasn't Snyder. That was local politicians--who are all Democrats.
Instead of oneboxing, I'll just repeat:
"I never said (R) or (D). You guys did."
Please don't defend a child murderer.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
The person who actually said "Yes, this plan, do it" has lead-laced blood on his hands.
And that's the person whom no one can actually identify. They seem to have been very good at not leaving a documentation trail. And the failures were on various levels. It's not just that decision maker. Someone in their EPA-like agency decided to use the wrong tests or something, for instance.
@Lorne_Kates said:
I never once mentioned (R) or (D). You guys did
Yes, but for some reason you knew the name of a Republican who pretty certainly did not make the decision.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Snyder actively fought to keep the EPA out. He basically said it's a state-level issue, and the feds have no business being there. (Because then he'd be found out and busted). Rather than going "Shit, guys things are fucked up come in quick and help".
I hadn't heard that. I have heard that the EPA did find out nearly a year ago and then actively prevented telling anyone about it.
@Lorne_Kates said:
(R) or (D), don't give a fuck. Anyone who is guilty needs to be dealt with.
Agreed.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Fed money will need to be spent at some point BUT the state has about $1.2 BILLION dollars sitting in the kitty-- mainly gained from doing shit like cutting services.
Really?
I read an article yesterday estimating that it'd take about $400 million and 2 years to replace all the lead pipes in the city. Assuming they went on a major hiring spree and basically recruited every free plumber in the US.
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recruited every free plumber in the US.
If they hired all the free plumbers, surely the cost would be zero?
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And that's the person whom no one can actually identify. They seem to have been very good at not leaving a documentation trail. And the failures were on various levels. It's not just that decision maker. Someone in their EPA-like agency decided to use the wrong tests or something, for instance.
Except for the document trail the Governor has left behind...
Yes, but for some reason you knew the name of a Republican who pretty certainly did not make the decision.
So you've gone from "I know very little about this" to knowing for certain that someone didn't do something. You're amazing.
Please don't get hysterical.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs379/en/
Go fuck yourself with a rusty lead dildo. For two years. Straight into your brain.
Really?
I read an article yesterday estimating that it'd take about $400 million and 2 years to replace all the lead pipes in the city. Assuming they went on a major hiring spree and basically recruited every free plumber in the US.
I've seen estimates of ~2 years, but at about a billion dollars. I've seen several arguments against going private sector on this, since that's one of the reason the problem exists in the first place. They don't want a project that's going to go over time and over budget and not be completed. Better to have the feds seize the money and bring in their own people (ie: Corp of Engineers). Whatever cash is left over can go back into Michigan's "rainy day fund"-- though I'd say a massive poisoned water system is about a rainy day as you'd want to crack open that fund.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Go fuck yourself with a rusty lead dildo.
Die in a fire, spazzo. See, I can do that too, you dumb shit.
I don't know what you think you're doing in this thread. Someone should get in a lot of trouble for this fuckup. I don't know why you'd think I am disagreeing with that. I'm saying that Snyder's not the problem here. You want to fix blame properly, look at the city of Flint.
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filthy river water
All of the media reports made it sound like they started producing contaminated water, but in fact there was nothing inherently wrong with the water. Lots of water systems use river water without problems. Their problem was that their water infrastructure was chock-full of old lead pipes, and when they changed their water source, the clean water they produced was slightly more corrosive than it had been. While there are measures that can be taken to reduce the corrosivity of water, they had no reason to take such measures until the problem was discovered. According to any samples that were taken directly at the water treatment facility, their water was basically fine.
Since testing the purified water that they were producing at their water treatment facility would not have identified the problem, in order to detect lead, they'd have to sample the water directly from the taps of their customers. This is required, per the EPA:
epa.gov - Lead and Copper Rule:
The [Lead and Copper] rule requires systems to monitor drinking water at customer taps. If lead concentrations exceed an action level of 15 ppb or copper concentrations exceed an action level of 1.3 ppm in more than 10% of customer taps sampled, the system must undertake a number of additional actions to control corrosion.
By default, water systems are required to monitor drinking water at a minimum number of customer taps every 6 months; however, small systems who have consistently met the lead and copper requirements can qualify for reduced-frequency monitoring - annual, triennial, or even once every 9 years*. Thus, a problem could exist for quite a long time - months or even years - before being detected.
@Lorne_Kates said:
someone who, when presented with evidence that his tax-cut driven project was "the fall of Rome"-level poisoning an entire populace, not only IGNORED it, but ACTIVELY FOUGHT AGAINST any further investigation or restoration of the water supply.
If true, that was definitely the wrong action, and I'm quite sure that heads will roll for this. The EPA doesn't play games when it comes to the public safety.
I have heard that the EPA did find out nearly a year ago and then actively prevented telling anyone about it.
That would be shocking. The EPA regulations require the system to publish a Lead Consumer Notice within 30 days of learning the results of any lead testing, regardless of whether the results exceeded the lead threshold or not. Exceedance "is not a violation but can trigger other requirements that include water quality parameter (WQP) monitoring, corrosion control treatment (CCT), source water monitoring/treatment, public education, and lead service line replacement (LSLR)"*.
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Die in a fire, spazzo. See, I can do that too, you dumb shit.
Except you're telling me to fuck off because children are literally getting brain damage in the thousands.
I don't know what you think you're doing in this thread. Someone should get in a lot of trouble for this fuckup. I don't know why you'd think I am disagreeing with that. I'm saying that Snyder's not the problem here. You want to fix blame properly, look at the city of Flint.
Okay, for reals, are you trolling or literally that fucking retarded.
I mean, obviously this is just a Liberal ploy to discredit Perfectly Innocent Snyder. That's why crazy-left wing nutbars with a blog are using the evidence at hand to call for his resignation, like Bernie Sanders:
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/michigan-governor-must-resign/
Hmm, wait.
And what in the ungodly shit are you even going on about here:
You want to fix blame properly, look at the city of Flint.
Okay, let's look at them. They're a city of people being poisoned. You think, what, a bunch of gangbangers went around, got a billion dollar contract to change the source of water for the city, let lay ruin ancient and rusting pipe systems, and covered it up for two years? Like, I know you're usually fucking stupid as a rock but I'm truly puzzled by what the fuck you're getting at here?
Do you mean the city managers, who rejected the Flint River as a water source in 2012, and were overridden by the Governor?
Exclusive: Gov. Rick Snyderβs Men Originally Rejected Using Flintβs Toxic River
An emergency manager said no to the river after speaking to environmental regulators. An ex-Flint official said the governorβs office reversed that decision.
Or did you mean the mayor of Flint-- who long ago had all her powers stripped away by Ambrose, the "emergency manager" installed by Synder after firing the last scapegoat. Wait, I guess she can't since the Governor took away her powers.
Or did you mean the RESIDENTS of Flint-- like the ones who were complaining about the color, taste and smell within days of the switch-over-- but who were told it's not a problem. That the water is fine. That they must just have rusty pipes. That they should ignore it. That they should install a filter. That the EPA doesn't need to come in to test waters that are filled with 2x the amount of lead that would classify it as TOXIC WASTE? Should the residents have rioted (those troublemakers)? Should they have ripped out the pipes and installed new ones-- with the $1.2 billion and no plumbing expertise they have? Should all 100,000 of them have gotten up, left town, and squatted in a rich neighborhood still on the Lake Huron supply?
Seriously, you fucking idiot, what do you mean by "the city of Flint"?
If Snyder knew about this for 2 years, he should face the death penalty. If he didn't, then he's the world's most incompetent leader and should face life in prison for gross negligence causing harm and death. You don't get to be the governor of a state and claim ignorance.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
xcept you're telling me to fuck off because children are literally getting brain damage in the thousands.
No, you cold-addled barbarian, I'm telling you to fuck off because you're going on a witch hunt and effectively attacking some random person, not the actual people who made the decision to switch water supplies. What part of that isn't getting through your poutine-clogged brain?
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You used a lot of stupid words to say "EVERYTHING WAS FINE UNTIL THE GOVERNOR FUCKED THINGS UP".
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Except for the document trail the Governor has left behind...
I remember reading about this topic a couple of weeks ago, at which point there didn't seem to be one. Can you link me to a story or something documenting it, please?
@Lorne_Kates said:
So you've gone from "I know very little about this" to knowing for certain that someone didn't do something. You're amazing.
Yes, that was one particular thing that seemed clear from what I knew.
@Lorne_Kates said:
I've seen estimates of ~2 years, but at about a billion dollars.
From stuff I've read, they could simply have put anti-corrosion / leaching treatment in the water. Maybe that ship has sailed, though.
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Just saying, http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/11/documents_show_city_filed_fals.html pretty clearly shows that the City of Flint falsified water tests.
And since we know that Governor Snyder personally collected those tests, it's obviously his fault.
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That would be shocking. The EPA regulations require the system to publish a Lead Consumer Notice within 30 days of learning the results of any lead testing, regardless of whether the results exceeded the lead threshold or not. Exceedance "is not a violation but can trigger other requirements that include water quality parameter (WQP) monitoring, corrosion control treatment (CCT), source water monitoring/treatment, public education, and lead service line replacement (LSLR)"*.
How Governmentβand This ColumnistβFailed Flint
Michigan officials poisoned the city's drinking water, the EPA covered it up, and I took my eye off the ball.
In FebΒruΒary 2015, months beΒfore EdΒwards helped exΒpose the conΒtamΒinΒaΒtion, an EPA waΒter exΒpert named Miguel Del TorΒal idenΒtiΒfied poΒtenΒtial probΒlems in Flintβs drinkΒing waΒter. He conΒfirmed his susΒpiΒcions in April and sumΒmarΒized the crisis in a June inΒternΒal memo. The memo was kept unΒder wraps by EPA MidΒwΒest chief Susan HedΒman, and the anaΒlyst was forΒbidΒden from makΒing his findΒing pubΒlic, acΒcordΒing to EdΒwards, who seΒcured an emΒbarΒrassΒing batch of EPA emails via FreeΒdom of InΒformΒaΒtion Act reΒquests.
After blowing the whistle on Flint's water, EPA βrogue employeeβ has been silent. Until now.
Iβve been trying to interview the EPAβs Miguel Del Toral since early July, 2015, when a copy of his interim report on high lead levels in Flintβs waterβ¦
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But Comrade Socialist's website sez it's the fault of the one Republican in the state!
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I've seen several arguments against going private sector on this, since that's one of the reason the problem exists in the first place.
Ain't nothing going to get done unless the Union is in on it. That's probably also the difference between the $400 mil and $1 bill estimate.
@Lorne_Kates said:
Better to have the feds seize the money and bring in their own people (ie: Corp of Engineers).
Would be an interesting jobs creation program in a State which, as I understand it, pretty badly needs jobs. Since that is logical and makes sense, I'm guessing it won't happen.
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Lead and Copper Rule: A Quick Reference Guide [PDF]
Hey! What do you think you're doing? That's an unfair debating tactic β Injecting actual facts into a pointless Internet flame war between people who have no involvement or influence over the situation being debated.
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@anotherusername said:
Lead and Copper Rule: A Quick Reference Guide [PDF]
Hey! What do you thing you're doing? That's an unfair debating tactic β Injecting actual facts into a pointless Internet flame war between people who have no involvement or influence over the situation being debated.
Or a government not willing to be held accountable to its own rules?
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a government not willing to be held accountable to its own rules
Maybe. But the rules themselves are actual facts. And this is still a pointless Internet flame war between people who have no involvement or influence over the situation being debated.
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Hey! What do you thing you're doing? That's an unfair debating tactic β Injecting actual facts into a pointless Internet flame war between people who have no involvement or influence over the situation being debated.
No, it's a disingenuous ad hominem. I doubt there's anyone here who thinks lead in the water isn't a bad thing. But when you don't have the facts, you pound the table.
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From stuff I've read, they could simply have put anti-corrosion / leaching treatment in the water. Maybe that ship has sailed, though.
No, most likely that is basically still true. Simultaneously also implementing a program to gradually phase out all of the lead pipe in the water system, as quickly as reasonably possible, would be very advisable, however.
Corrosion is a complex problem, though: it is wear on the pipes (chemical, physical, or electrochemical) which can be caused by a variety of things, including acidic (low pH) water, high levels of dissolved oxygen, high levels of dissolved salts, the actions of certain microorganisms, abrasive nature of sand/sediment in the water, galvanic effects of improper grounding or stray electrical currents, or even just too high velocity of the water relative to the pipe's size. So it's pretty hard to just take a sample of water, run some quick tests, and get a definitive Yes or No on whether it'll corrode pipes in your system. That's why actual physical sampling at the point-of-use is required to detect these problems.
Basically, the standard approach for corrosive water in an entire water system is some combination of:
- increasing the water's pH by
- passing it through an acid-neutralizing filter
- adding alkaline chemicals to increase the water's pH and alkalinity
- adding a phosphate, an inorganic salt of phosphoric acid, which deposits a protective film of scale on pipes, insulating the bare metal from any corrosive action of the water
- gradually phasing out lead and copper pipes and replacing them with NSF-approved PVC
(Steps can also be taken at individual customers' service entries or at the point of use, to reduce corrosivity, filter out heavy metals, or simply flush water that has been stagnant long enough to corrode a significant amount of heavy metal from the customer's service line; however, such steps are generally impractical for a system-wide problem.)
Extreme caution has to be taken before any change of source or treatment method; disruption of the water's chemistry can cause it to be more corrosive, and/or to begin removing the scale that has built up inside pipes, exposing the bare metal again.
Water which is suddenly coming from the tap with an unusual taste, odor, or color can be a very good indicator that a change has occurred and that there might be a problem somewhere; however, all by itself, it is not necessarily a major problem. If the water has been disinfected properly, it may still be safe to drink, although it's unpalatable. That is one likely reason why officials might have shrugged off the situation. However, the fact that tests indicated the increased presence of lead should have been a cause for a lot more concern than was shown.
Primary sources:
https://www.scdhec.gov/HomeAndEnvironment/Docs/Corrosive Water.pdf
http://extension.psu.edu/natural-resources/water/drinking-water/water-testing/pollutants/corrosive-water-problemsHow To Treat Copper Pipe Corrosion
Blue stains? Copper Pipe Corrosion in your home? Learn how to fix your copper pipe corrosion and stop expensive leaks and repairs.
- increasing the water's pH by
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From stuff I've read, they could simply have put anti-corrosion / leaching treatment in the water. Maybe that ship has sailed, though.
It has; the pipes are now bad and have to be replaced. There's probably no way it's humanly possible to replace all that plumbing work in less than 2 years.
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No, you cold-addled barbarian, I'm telling you to fuck off because you're going on a witch hunt and effectively attacking some random person, not the actual people who made the decision to switch water supplies. What part of that isn't getting through your poutine-clogged brain?
The person in charge of the state is not "some random person". HE IS THE MOTHERFUCKING PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE STATE DECISIONS:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/health/toxic-tap-water-flint-michigan/Nearly two years ago, the state decided to save money by switching Flint's water supply from Lake Huron (which they were paying the city of Detroit for), to the Flint River, a notorious tributary that runs through town known to locals for its filth.
Repeating:
Nearly two years ago, the #state decided to save money by switching Flint's water supply from Lake Huron (which they were paying the city of Detroit for), to the Flint River, a notorious tributary that runs through town known to locals for its filth.
Guess who runs the state.
bubtubntubtubtutbut subordinats did...
fuck off with that shit. Subordinates don't make million dollar decisions on their own.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/12/whos-responsible-for-poisoning-flints-water-supply.htmlAt the time of the switch, Darnell Earley was Flintβs state-appointed emergency manager, with near total control of day-to-day operations. He was the third appointee to oversee the financially unstable city since 2011. According to a letter obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan, it was Earley who made the final call.
Repeating:
At the time of the switch, Darnell Earley was Flintβs #state-appointed emergency manager, with near total control of day-to-day operations. He was the third appointee to oversee the financially unstable city since 2011. According to a letter obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan, it was Earley who made the final call.
And who appointed him?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darnell_EarleyOn September 30, 2011, Michigan Governor Rick Snyder appointed a state eight-member review team for City of Flint including Earley.[8]
If you're in charge of an entire clusterfuck of a state that's poisoned a hundred thousand people, you do NOT get to remain in charge. So you can continue to profit off your mistakes and funnel money to the private sector? Fuck you, no. Any sane, honorable person would step down and let a neutral third party sort shit out.
The IMMEDIATE removal of the head of state is required. 100%, absolutely. Then you start working your way down the now-powerless power structure and find everyone else responsible. It's called emergency triage, you colon-sniffing ass chewer.
I remember reading about this topic a couple of weeks ago, at which point there didn't seem to be one. Can you link me to a story or something documenting it, please?
See some of the links above.
Yes, that was one particular thing that seemed clear from what I knew.
See the links above.
From stuff I've read, they could simply have put anti-corrosion / leaching treatment in the water. Maybe that ship has sailed, though.
Long since. Especially for the thousands of children with permanent brain damage from drinking lead for 2 years.
But Comrade Socialist's website sez it's the fault of the one Republican in the state!
Quote me on that, shithead. (Hint you can't)
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Would be an interesting jobs creation program in a State which, as I understand it, pretty badly needs jobs. Since that is logical and makes sense, I'm guessing it won't happen.
Long-term maintenance would be a great job-creation program. In the immediate short term, you need a large group of well trained people who are not part of the private sector, and you need them ASAP. First, worry about stopping the poison. Then get the locals up to speed on maintenance and job creation.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
fuck off with that shit. Subordinates don't make million dollar decisions on their own.
So you're asserting that this is correct in the face of all of the other evidence that someone subordinate to the governor did just that?
@Lorne_Kates said:
See some of the links above.
Are you jealous of @Fox or something?
@Lorne_Kates said:
Long since. Especially for the thousands of children with permanent brain damage from drinking lead for 2 years.
Holy shit! This is a really good impression of @Fox! Congrats!
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Wait, wait, wait, are you seriously defending the Michigan government over the Flint water crisis? Remind me again why I shouldn't consider you evil?
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Wait, wait, wait, are you seriously defending the Michigan government over the Flint water crisis? Remind me again why I shouldn't consider you evil?
Haha! Same old @Fox.
Seriously, though, what makes you think I am? I'm just trying not to simplify the situation like @Lorne_Kates is due to his preconceived notions of how things should work.
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So you're asserting that this is correct in the face of all of the other evidence that someone subordinate to the governor did just that?
Someone who was appointment by the governor, who reports to the governor, who answers to the governor, and who the governor can override-- and who the governor, with full knowledge of the situation, didn't for 2+ years until whistleblowers forced him to.
Fuck off with this shit.
Holy shit! This is a really good impression of @Fox! Congrats!
Here's the different:
I feelz that millions of are harmed every year because of words
I know as a provable fact that- lead poisoning is real
- that the water levels have 2x the amount of lead as toxic waste
- that children are WAY more vulnerable to lead poisoning due to brain development
- that every resident (100,000+), thousands of which are children, were exposed to this for 2 years
- that real actual medical doctors have real actual proof of MOTHERFUCKING BRAIN DAMAGE TO CHILDREN YOU ASSHOLE
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/health/toxic-tap-water-flint-michigan/see section "The Hero Doctor".
Allow me to, once again, repeat:
#REAL ACTUAL LEAD-POISONING RELATED BRAIN DAMAGE TO THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN BECAUSE OF DECISIONS AND POLICIES PUT INTO PLACE BY GOV. SNYDER AND HIS GOVERNMENT
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Seriously, though, what makes you think I am?
The fact that you appear to be taking the position that the governor of Michigan should be allowed to keep his position.
I'm just trying not to simplify the situation like @Lorne_Kates is due to his preconceived notions of how things should work.
Funny that a Canadian knows better than an American how government accountability works in the US.
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Seriously, though, what makes you think I am? I'm just trying not to simplify the situation like @Lorne_Kates is due to his preconceived notions of how things should work.
#THE MOTHERFUCKING LAW ISN'T A "PRECONCEIVED NOTION" YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER
I fucking DARE you to go to Flint and start telling parents that they should quit their SJW whining about their kids being poisoned, brain damaged and given shortened lifespans because their leaders put lead in the water. I fucking dare you, you stupid motherfucker.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Fuck off with this shit.
Have you figured out who made the decision yet? Under what information? No? Fuck off with your ignorance. Attitudes like that are just going to set up something like that to happen again in the future.
@Lorne_Kates said:
REAL ACTUAL LEAD-POISONING RELATED BRAIN DAMAGE TO THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN BECAUSE OF DECISIONS AND POLICIES PUT INTO PLACE BY GOV. SNYDER AND HIS GOVERNMENT
And you just want to throw the guy out who's at the top and don't care about what actually happened. "What difference at this point does it make?"
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The fact that you appear to be taking the position that the governor of Michigan should be allowed to keep his position.
Well, for now, he certainly should. Has he been recalled? Has he done something criminal?
Funny that a Canadian knows better than an American how government accountability works in the US.
Which one?
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@Lorne_Kates said:
THE MOTHERFUCKING LAW ISN'T A "PRECONCEIVED NOTION" YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER
I fucking DARE you to go to Flint and start telling parents that they should quit their SJW whining about their kids being poisoned, brain damaged and given shortened lifespans because their leaders put lead in the water. I fucking dare you, you stupid motherfucker.
Never go full @Fox, Lorne.
Seriously, it's like the migrant topic all over again and you won't even read what I wrote.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I feelz that millions ofI know as a provable fact that are harmed every year because of words- mental illness is real
- that bullying causes mental illness
- that children are WAY more vulnerable to mental illness due to brain development
- that many LGBT people, thousands of whom are children, are exposed to bullying every year.
- that real actual medical doctors have real actual proof of MOTHERFUCKING MENTAL ILLNESS IN CHILDREN YOU ASSHOLE
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2978194/
I know as a provable fact that-
lead poisoning is real
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that the water levels have 2x the amount of lead as toxic waste
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that children are WAY more vulnerable to lead poisoning due to brain development
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that every resident (100,000+), thousands of which are children, were exposed to this for 2 years
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that real actual medical doctors have real actual proof of MOTHERFUCKING BRAIN DAMAGE TO CHILDREN YOU ASSHOLE
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/health/toxic-tap-water-flint-michigan/see section "The Hero Doctor".
FTFY
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Seriously, it's like the migrant topic all over again and you won't even read what I wrote.
Because you're writing complete and total bullshit. There is no onus to entertain lines of complete and total bullshit. You still think 1000 Syrian refuges raped a bunch of German women.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
@boomzilla said:
Seriously, it's like the migrant topic all over again and you won't even read what I wrote.
Because you're writing complete and total bullshit. There is no onus to entertain lines of complete and total bullshit. You still think 1000 Syrian refuges raped a bunch of German women.
Exactly! Thanks for proving my point.
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Well, for now, he certainly should.
No.
Has he been recalled?
No.Has he done something criminal?
Yes. At the very least, several counts of negligent homicide.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Go fuck yourself.
I already did that a couple times just yesterday, but I'll be happy to oblige you when I get home.
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Yes. At the very least, several counts of negligent homicide.
Got a link for that accusation? Or is this just another one of those "obvious" things we're supposed to take on faith?
