Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
It is easier if shown the commands first. "y" to view the last page in a text file. "e" to enter notes that are appended to the end of the file with a time and date stamp. 'xxx' to Export displayed results. "z" to append the clipboard to the end of a text file.
None of this is either obvious or discoverable though - if nothing else you could at least give the commands meaningful names.
@SpectateSwamp said:
So nobody cuts and pastes stuff off the net. But keep bookmarks. Boo Boo Boo you boobs. The net is changing. Either cut and paste the text or screen capture the info. Because You probably won't be able to find that site or information later. Other DTS would require you to keep that data in itsy-bitsy files rather than appending it to a much larger "net_forums.txt" or "net_birds.txt" for "net_politics.txt"
Bookmarks point to the page's location - therefore the information is always current, a copy could get out of date. If I want a previous version then http://www.archive.org/ works wonders. In certain situations I might choose to save the page, as html not plain text. The other DTS applications allow me to keep these pages separate rather than requiring me to put them into one large file; I prefer keeping the original format etc so I have no problem using WDS to find them, assuming I needed to search that is - I would normally save the page in a location that made sense anyway...
Finally will you please stop claiming to be a desktop search application - you search a single file (like notepad does) rather than searching for files- please understand as we have been through this before.
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Swamp Skin a Navigable template - The final Feature.
@spenk said:
None of this is either obvious or discoverable though - if nothing else you could at least give the commands meaningful names.
I had the same naming problem the guy that came up with GREP had. I know they are extremely poor names. Changing them now wouldn't be too hard. When the program was still evolving I didn't want to do those kind of changes. The various control files and templates would have to be changed etc etc.
@spenk said:
Cut and paste is simpler and my data goes with me. Oh the data might change and I like my itsy-bitsy files, pretty poor tradeoff for portability and data ownership. If you have 10's of thousands of files It's hard to know when one goes missing. I have 8 or 10 main ones I make sure they are backed up.Bookmarks point to the page's location - therefore the information is always current, a copy could get out of date. If I want a previous version then http://www.archive.org/ works wonders. In certain situations I might choose to save the page, as html not plain text. The other DTS applications allow me to keep these pages separate rather than requiring me to put them into one large file; I prefer keeping the original format etc so I have no problem using WDS to find them, assuming I needed to search that is - I would normally save the page in a location that made sense anyway...
@spenk said:
Finally will you please stop claiming to be a desktop search application
I have been using a greppler search since the mid 80's there couldn't be anything farther from the vax SEARCH than relatively new indexing NET searches. You FAV is a "File Indexer" not a Desktop Search.All this discussion has been very enlightening. And my training and Skin problems have been right in front of me all the time. I'll spend some serious time on the Navigation through various control files and make it a Skin / Trainer all on 1 DVD. Then place the videos on the net along with the template. The Masses need their own portable search with Video documentation. I had better get at it. Maybe one of you Swampies out there will surprise me and beat me to it. I hope so.
I learned quite a bit about Indexing Desktop ****** here. Way more than if I had tested them for things other than file size limits. But it was fun busting them. This Next Template will be the backbone of the "Desktop Search ShowDown"
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I'll spend some serious time on the Navigation through various control files and make it a Skin / Trainer all on 1 DVD. Then place the videos on the net along with the template. The Masses need their own portable search with Video documentation. I had better get at it. Maybe one of you Swampies out there will surprise me and beat me to it. I hope so.
Why exactly would anyone want to do anything to help you after you have annoyed, provoked and insulted everyone? Someone offered to help you on the condition you put the project on SourceForge - you created the project, but you refused to do the minimum work to allow people to collaborate with you. There is no binary download, documentation, or source access (download or CVS).
Why don't you come back after you have done all that great stuff you mentioned, AND you have 1 satisfied user? Show us a video testimonial from this satisfied user, and maybe someone will take you seriously.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
You FAV is a "File Indexer" not a Desktop Search
So what part of SSDS searches my desktop then?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
If you have 10's of thousands of files It's hard to know when one goes missing. I have 8 or 10 main ones I make sure they are backed up.
But you do have thousands of photos and videos. How do you back those up? (Wait for it, folks, this answer should be a whole new WTF of its own.)
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I had the same naming problem the guy that came up with GREP had.
How many bloody times?- To quote from Wikipedia, "The program's name derives from the command used to perform a similar operation, using the Unix text editor ed: g/re/p ". Once again, that's a Global search for a Regular Expression that Prints the results
- I'm still waiting for you to prove that you've even *heard* of regexps, no matter have a clue about how to use them
- Spenk was talking about your commands. If you'd ever used grep, you'd know that its flags have sensible letters ... "-i" for case Insensitive, "-n" for line Numbers, -c for "Count", -q for "Quiet" etc. etc.
As I've said before, it's frankly insulting for you to even compare your feeble-minded attempt at searching strings with grep. By the way, as for the "Masses" , I had my 12-yr old read the highlights of this thread, then asked him if he wanted to try out your program. He laughed. Lots. Without wanting to get too personal, his opinion is that the best thing about this thread is the phrase "TDEMSYR..."
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Mr. Swamp,
Can you do something for me?
Sit down. Take a good long deep breath. Repeat the following phrase to yourself until it sinks in: "Search is built into the OS. You don't need an external application to search." Try it for an hour or two, see how it feels. If you still think otherwise, try it again.
"Search is built into the OS. You don't need an external application to search."
"Search is built into the OS. You don't need an external application to search."
"Search is built into the OS. You don't need an external application to search."
"Search is built into the OS. You don't need an external application to search."Please don't cry.
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@Lingerance said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
<sarcasm> Now, I am sure you will get flamed now that you made a correction against someone. Right? </sarcasm>
You don't need to quote everything that the person you are replying to said.You sure do when your post is about the entire conversation...
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Re: Swamp Skin a Navigable template - The final Feature wtf??????
@SpectateSwamp said:
Cut and paste is simpler and my data goes with me. Oh the data might change and I like my itsy-bitsy files, pretty poor tradeoff for portability and data ownership. If you have 10's of thousands of files It's hard to know when one goes missing. I have 8 or 10 main ones I make sure they are backed up.
How can cut and paste be simpler than just going to the file menu and selecting save? Saving the file will keep the images, look and feel etc on most modern browsers whereas cutting and pasting the raw text loses the images and the layout.
As a rule I keep my system organised into folders, I notice when files go missing (never) but if I accidently delete one then I can easily restore it from backup anyway. Your large file approach would not help me in the slightest here.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I have been using a greppler search since the mid 80's there couldn't be anything farther from the vax SEARCH than relatively new indexing NET searches. You FAV is a "File Indexer" not a Desktop Search.
THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD.
There is no such thing as a 'greppler' you mean 'grep' at a guess. Yes WDS does index files - this is so it can find files. SSDS doesn't index files but neither can it find files. You need to tell it which file to search inside. The files you use to locate images and videos however are indexes.
@SpectateSwamp said:
All this discussion has been very enlightening. And my training and Skin problems have been right in front of me all the time. I'll spend some serious time on the Navigation through various control files and make it a Skin / Trainer all on 1 DVD. Then place the videos on the net along with the template. The Masses need their own portable search with Video documentation. I had better get at it. Maybe one of you Swampies out there will surprise me and beat me to it. I hope so.
I learned quite a bit about Indexing Desktop ****** here. Way more than if I had tested them for things other than file size limits. But it was fun busting them. This Next Template will be the backbone of the "Desktop Search ShowDown"
THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD.
What are you talking about? Template? Skin / Trainer? These are words I know, but normally they make sense to me. You busted nothing, you refused every single challenge, failed to comprehend what desktop searching is, failed even to put the source code on sourceforge. You consistently ignore every point of view that differs from your own and insist that SSDS is something it isn't. Your videos are shoddy and biased with benchmarks done under some of the least scientific conditions I have ever seen.
What the fuck is a 'Next Template' and what does it have to do with searching or any showdown you are probably not going to do anyway?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Cut and paste is simpler and my data goes with me. Oh the data might change and I like my itsy-bitsy files, pretty poor tradeoff for portability and data ownership. If you have 10's of thousands of files It's hard to know when one goes missing. I have 8 or 10 main ones I make sure they are backed up.
I have tens of thousands of files. None of them go missing. Why the hell should they, unless the hard drive were failing? And then it doesn't matter how many files you have.
@spenk said:
Finally will you please stop claiming to be a desktop search application
I have been using a greppler search since the mid 80's there couldn't be anything farther from the vax SEARCH than relatively new indexing NET searches. You FAV is a "File Indexer" not a Desktop Search.There are many things farther from VAX SEARCH than index searches. For example: a kitten, the Magna Carta, the fundamental theorem of calculus. In the grand scheme of things, the two are very, very similiar; they're both software for searching. But you're right, they have a couple major differences:
- Index searches are faster.
- Index searches search many files.
All this discussion has been very enlightening. And my training and Skin problems have been right in front of me all the time.
(quietly snickering at the "skin problems" part)
I'll spend some serious time on the Navigation through various control files and make it a Skin / Trainer all on 1 DVD. Then place the videos on the net along with the template. The Masses need their own portable search with Video documentation. I had better get at it. Maybe one of you Swampies out there will surprise me and beat me to it. I hope so.
I learned quite a bit about Indexing Desktop ****** here. Way more than if I had tested them for things other than file size limits. But it was fun busting them. This Next Template will be the backbone of the "Desktop Search ShowDown"
SSDS IS NOT A DESKTOP SEARCH. I can't seem to type this enough times to get it through your thick skull. And the program you belive to be a kindred spirit, grep? It's not a desktop search application, either. That's why find exists. Oh, and by the way, TDEMSYR!
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I decided to check out this program because sometimes I have trouble searching throught the file I keep all my emails in with the windows search (it does not even show the matching lines!!)
I like it pretty good, however sometimes it would be nice to run multiple searches (I think this was in the feature list) so I can look at some pictures in search while I listen to some mp3s in search. But whenever I try to open another Spectate Swamp Desktop Search I get a searchWarning! that it is "Already running!" Maybe you can add another command that makes it play mp3s while you look at pics?
Anyway I like it so far, even though I haven't figured out all the bells and whistles. I like that though, you should add even more features like random text from a file (!!!) or play mp3s in slow motion!
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This thread is an ironed-in crease in reality.
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I just don't believe this thread is still active ...
Is there a new version of SSDS ?
New and improved features ?
Has anyone actually started using the thing ?
Will Doug ever see the light ?
Stay tuned for more action.
p.s. we're on xkcd :
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(sorry if the formatting on this post is screwed, the WYSINQWYG editor isn't working for me today)
@feel_the_lurve said:
I decided to check out this program because sometimes I have trouble searching throught the file I keep all my emails in with the windows search (it does not even show the matching lines!!)
I like it pretty good, however sometimes it would be nice to run multiple searches (I think this was in the feature list) so I can look at some pictures in search while I listen to some mp3s in search. But whenever I try to open another Spectate Swamp Desktop Search I get a searchWarning! that it is "Already running!" Maybe you can add another command that makes it play mp3s while you look at pics?
Anyway I like it so far, even though I haven't figured out all the bells and whistles. I like that though, you should add even more features like random text from a file (!!!) or play mp3s in slow motion!
Is this guy for real? Could the Swampling have finally reached someone from the "Masses" he's always going on about?
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@Benn said:
Spenk was talking about your commands. If you'd ever used grep, you'd know that its flags have sensible letters ... "-i" for case Insensitive, "-n" for line Numbers, -c for "Count", -q for "Quiet" etc. etc.
Let's make sure that we're insulting SS for the right reasons here. While some of his commands are stupid trivia that make no sense unless you hear his story behind them, others (e.g. S = display only the Single line that matches, C = display some surrounding lines for Context) do make at least some amount of sense. The WTF about those codes is not so much the abbreviations, but that they must be entered at exactly the right point in the input sequence.
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@bstorer said:
And the program you belive to be a kindred spirit, grep? It's not a desktop search application, either. That's why find exists.
Hmm, are you trying to say find is a desktop search app, but not grep? This is a sincere question; hope I didn't misunderstand you. If so, I would have to disagree. IMO, find is really a neutered version of grep, except maybe for the fact that find works with unicode, whereas most win32 ports of grep may not (haven't bothered to verify this wild guess). Sort of like DOS wildcard matching (*, ?) is a neutered, non-deterministic (jk) version of regexp.
To be really fair, if you turn off indexing in XP and Vista, and search by file content, that sort of like a UI wrapper around find. ("sort of" in the sense both are linear, non-indexed search.)
Personally, I know where most of my stuff is - I have a decent folder org scheme. So I turn off indexing in Vista and search by filename the odd time I need to find something. Maybe 10-15% of those searches, I will search by contents. If I need to search code, I will use ctags or linear search. I guess I am not making 100% optimal use of my PC that way, but there is NO WAY I would use an abomination like SSDS for anything.
Of course, some of this stems from the fact that I grew up in the 80s and 90s, so I am
almosta dinosaur in computing terms. I have actually used a C64, DOS and Windows 3.1. I'm sure most high school and elementary school kids (and even college students), for example, wouldn't even think to turn off indexing. (And in a few generations, when the Singularity becomes a reality, we will all be obsolete. jk) Some of my older colleagues coulld not believe Vista was indexing the contents of "all" their files. Wouldn't that nearly double the hd space usage, they asked? Of course, that ignores the fact that WDS probably only partially indexes large textual files, most textual files have many repeated words, and most non-textual files have only a few scraps of metadata to index.
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@emurphy said:
@Benn said:
Spenk was talking about your commands. If you'd ever used grep, you'd know that its flags have sensible letters ... "-i" for case Insensitive, "-n" for line Numbers, -c for "Count", -q for "Quiet" etc. etc.
Let's make sure that we're insulting SS for the right reasons here. While some of his commands are stupid trivia that make no sense unless you hear his story behind them, others (e.g. S = display only the Single line that matches, C = display some surrounding lines for Context) do make at least some amount of sense. The WTF about those codes is not so much the abbreviations, but that they must be entered at exactly the right point in the input sequence.
Don't forget "rrr", which stands for "replace replace replace", lest anyone thinks his stuttering "speech patterns" on this forum are an annoying affectation.
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@CodeSimian said:
@bstorer said:
And the program you belive to be a kindred spirit, grep? It's not a desktop search application, either. That's why find exists.
Hmm, are you trying to say find is a desktop search app, but not grep? This is a sincere question; hope I didn't misunderstand you. If so, I would have to disagree. IMO, find is really a neutered version of grep, except maybe for the fact that find works with unicode, whereas most win32 ports of grep may not (haven't bothered to verify this wild guess). Sort of like DOS wildcard matching (*, ?) is a neutered, non-deterministic (jk) version of regexp.
No. I'm saying that, on its own, grep is not really suited for desktop searching. When using grep with find, however, now you're getting somewhere.
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@bstorer said:
No. I'm saying that, on its own, grep is not really suited for desktop searching. When using grep with find, however, now you're getting somewhere.
Oh, you mean *nix/GNU "find" (print list of files matching certain criteria, recursing subdirectories), right? I thought you meant Windows "find" (simple search for text in files).
Well, grep does support searching subdirectories recursively (-R in Unix and -S in one of the Win32 ports). But you are right, combining grep with GNU "find" is very powerful.
(e.g. In *nix, I could issue this command:
<font face="courier new,courier">grep -R --include=\*.c some_keyword *</font>
In Windows, using the appropriate Win32 grep port, I could issue:
<font face="courier new,courier">grep -S some_keyword *.c )</font>
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The executable is much easier to find than that! It is at: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/search.exe
When I opened it, it was clear how it worked, I didn't need to look at instructions, it clearly says on the first screen what you are supposed to do, select from the menu using a number or type in the full path and filename, the next prompt is not as clear, but one of the choices is HELP so I try that, and that one works OK, I don't know what all of the options mean (some of it is unclear), but I understand some of the most important ones, and it works like I expect, nothing wrong here, and the ESC key backs up through menus, the basic usage of the program isn't unclear.
Of course it is still a bad design, and if I had a proper package of source-codes (the file source.txt is just the code copied from the code window in VB for a form, it isn't a complete package) then I could correct much of the problems with it and make a lot of improvement of it. (Hint: In case you don't know how to make a proper package, I tell you you need to copy the *.frm and *.frx and *.bas files, remember this isn't QBASIC!) Also, I don't have much use for this software (or any other desktop search software), and I probably won't need one later, but I keep it in some directory on my computer anyways, just in case. And of course if I ever get a Linux computer I could use grep and find and stuff instead, combined with other simple programs that would take much less time to write in Linux because half of it is already made!
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@zzo38 said:
Hint: In case you don't know how to make a proper package, I tell you you need to copy the *.frm and *.frx and *.bas files, remember this isn't QBASIC!
Sadly, Spectate is religiously opposed to any form of "packaging" or saving of data that doesn't involve:
- copying-and-pasting to plain text
- taking screenshots
- using his camcorder to video his laptop screen/TV, even if said screen is already playing a video
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@zzo38 said:
Of course it is still a bad design, and if I had a proper package of source-codes (the file source.txt is just the code copied from the code window in VB for a form, it isn't a complete package) then I could correct much of the problems with it and make a lot of improvement of it.
Glad I'm not the only one who like it! I started a port to C# because with open source if you want more features, its best to do them yourself.
http://code.google.com/p/csharpssds
I think we can make Windows like linux one day.
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@feel_the_lurve said:
I think we can make Windows like linux one day.
Uh, pretty every GNU tool and many other popular open-source tools have already been ported to Win32. How does the Windows community benefit from porting a "desktop search" app that no one uses to "open source" C#?
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@CodeSimian said:
How does the Windows community benefit from porting a "desktop search" app that no one uses to "open source" C#?
you dont understand the OSS GNUSwamp philosophy do you
if we dont port this it will be hard to maintain in the future, as new video and email formats come out.
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@feel_the_lurve said:
if we dont port this it will be hard to maintain in the future, as new video and email formats come out.
Your sarcasm/comedy skills need a little work.
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sorry, i thought you were being serious :(
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@feel_the_lurve said:
I think we can make Windows like linux one day.
@CodeSimian said:
Uh, pretty every GNU tool and many other popular open-source tools have already been ported to Win32. How does the Windows community benefit from porting a "desktop search" app that no one uses to "open source" C#?
@feel_the_lurve said:
you dont understand the OSS GNUSwamp philosophy do you
if we dont port this it will be hard to maintain in the future, as new video and email formats come out.
@CodeSimian said:
Your sarcasm/comedy skills need a little work.
@feel_the_lurve said:sorry, i thought you were being serious :(
I was being serious. Were you? Oh. My. God. You are a genuine SpectateSwamp supporter. Good luck, kind sir.
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@CodeSimian said:
I was being serious. Were you? Oh. My. God. You are a genuine SpectateSwamp supporter. Good luck, kind sir.
I think he's a troll. His ideas (if not his writing style) are too close a match to SS's line of patter, and I am not yet cynical enough to believe that two people could develop this exact same form of retardation independently.
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@emurphy said:
@CodeSimian said:
I was being serious. Were you? Oh. My. God. You are a genuine SpectateSwamp supporter. Good luck, kind sir.
I think he's a troll. His ideas (if not his writing style) are too close a match to SS's line of patter, and I am not yet cynical enough to believe that two people could develop this exact same form of retardation independently.
One thing's for sure - he is NOT SpecatateSwamp himself - he seems to understand enough about C# to at least start to port SSDS.
Also, he managed to check it in to Subversion!
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Swamp Search allows you to keep Masses more data
@feel_the_lurve said:
But whenever I try to open another Spectate Swamp Desktop Search I get a searchWarning! that it is "Already running!"
Give the search.exe another name and folder. ie folder search_net and search_net.exe I had to put the check for already running because I'm into holding the enter key down when viewing pictures 1 at a time or when exiting out. If the Icon was last hilited on the desktop up it would come with the defaults and multiple versions.
@feel_the_lurve said:
the export option (all good systems should allow for export) is xxx at prompt #2. It tells you what file the results will be put. The beauty of having so few files is that when it comes to storing my new data I don't have to worry about what I'll name it. BOOM I append it to one of 6 or 8 main files I have. Keeping it simple like this makes it easy for me to keep even more data. I don't know how many emails I have. But I could find out very quickly. All the details I want are there and I can search them randomly. With big text files or lots of photos you don't want to display them sequentially. The Masses were getting tired of seeing the same old lady at the beginning of the Family photos. Random was quickly inserted. When you got great code. Changes can be made easily. This program has evolved a lot.Anyway I like it so far, even though I haven't figured out all the bells and whistles. I like that though, you should add even more features like random text from a file (!!!) or play mp3s in slow motion!
The random text finds a random spot in the file and then it continues page by page. To pick a new random spot close it out. and start it up using enter enter enter. The defaults will be for random context etc so there is no texting required.
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The problem with Indexers - Is Indexing
@joemck said:
Is this guy for real? Could the Swampling have finally reached someone from the "Masses" he's always going on about?
I hope so. I probably will have trouble sleeping tonight.
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Swamp search - The Program you'll look for on your Desktop
@emurphy said:
The WTF about those codes is not so much the abbreviations, but that they must be entered at exactly the right point in the input sequence.
My next template should lead people through the whole set of options with different screen prompts. A splash screen to start displaying the option details and an inputbox returning the selection. I'll start with just the basics on the first screen and do a Cam Studio of that. Then as the template develops. Others will get a jumpstart on how to use this very interesting feature. When you know how to use this app. You are in a position to improve it.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I don't know how many emails I have. But I could find out very quickly.
Okay, then please do so right now: How many emails do you have?
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Build your own Swamp Search
@zzo38 said:
(Hint: In case you don't know how to make a proper package, I tell you you need to copy the *.frm and *.frx and *.bas files, remember this isn't QBASIC!)
I'm sorry but I don't have a clue about proper packaging. But do know that with an old version of VB (5 or 6) and the video where I create the form and image control. Most people should be able to come up with the executable.@zzo38 said:
Also, I don't have much use for this software (or any other desktop search software), and I probably won't need one later
If you have gone that far. How about trying DOUBLE Random Music. Or a search of this forum text. At the #2 prompt "pause" allows the system to skip over subsequent input prompts and the "thumb" option tells the video/music play routine to stop that video/song after a number of seconds (tt? option at prompt #2) have elapsed and move to the next song / clip.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
All the details I want are there and I can search them randomly.
That's not, "searching." I'm not even sure what to call that. "Browsing," maybe.
@SpectateSwamp said:
The random text finds a random spot in the file and then it continues page by page. To pick a new random spot close it out. and start it up using enter enter enter. The defaults will be for random context etc so there is no texting required.
Wait, you have to close your application to pick a new random spot? You don't have a command or something to do that?
You can't even properly implement the one feature that you've been clinging to for the past several pages. Congrats.
@SpectateSwamp said:
If you have gone that far. How about trying DOUBLE Random Music.
That would sound like shit.
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C# and SSDS a great match
@feel_the_lurve said:
Glad I'm not the only one who like it! I started a port to C# because with open source if you want more features, its best to do them yourself.
It would be good if you had an old version of VB(5 or 6) just to make it easier to follow the logic through. I was thinking about a C version years back. Now would be the time to do it. Things haven't changed much with the code over the last few years. But there is still lots of room for improvements. Like a dumbed down accounting feature. Why Not? When you have search and replace. Just a tweek here and there and maybe a background job to post the transaction.
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Swamp Search FAST from the Get Go
@stolen_username said:
Oh it can be stopped and then backup one prompt by entering x or e then a new random spot will be selected when the default "c" is selected by hitting enter. But I have a habit of killing it when a random video is running. Then Restart it with enter enter enter to have it back playing random video or music. This program is designed to be started and stopped Extremely fast. Maybe even more extremely than that.Wait, you have to close your application to pick a new random spot? You don't have a command or something to do that?
You can't even properly implement the one feature that you've been clinging to for the past several pages. Congrats.
@stolen_username said:
That would sound like shit.
I'm not a music lover by any means. But picking a random song with a random start point and playing it for 8 or 10 seconds (with the option for complete play - by hitting enter) is FUN. Swamp Search knows about fun.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I'm sorry but I don't have a clue about proper packaging. But do know that with an old version of VB (5 or 6) and the video where I create the form and image control. Most people should be able to come up with the executable.
How on earth can you not grasp the concept of more than one file??? VB automatically creates a project file etc. for you. Expecting everyone to follow your sodding video advice when any sane person would either zip the project up or post the code to sourceforge etc. seems like madness to me.
@SpectateSwamp said:
The beauty of having so few files is that when it comes to storing my new data I don't have to worry about what I'll name it. BOOM I append it to one of 6 or 8 main files I have. Keeping it simple like this makes it easy for me to keep even more data. I don't know how many emails I have. But I could find out very quickly. All the details I want are there and I can search them randomly. With big text files or lots of photos you don't want to display them sequentially. The Masses were getting tired of seeing the same old lady at the beginning of the Family photos. Random was quickly inserted. When you got great code. Changes can be made easily. This program has evolved a lot.
Few files suits you and your way of doing things, however SSDS forces this style onto any user - most people are happy with multiple files...
How many e-mails do you have then? What where the steps you needed to find out? I can simple use outlook to show me this information automatically... Explorer has been able to do random slideshows for ages, other programs have enabled this for longer. Random display is not searching however.
You do not have great code either - your code is a sprawling mess of gotos and gosubs, no functions or local variables etc. mean it is incredibly difficult to maintain or modify
@SpectateSwamp said:
My next template
What the hell are these templates you have suddenly starting talking about? What does it mean???
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@zzo38 said:
(Hint: In case you don't know how to make a proper package, I tell you you need to copy the *.frm and *.frx and *.bas files, remember this isn't QBASIC!)
I'm sorry but I don't have a clue about proper packaging. But do know that with an old version of VB (5 or 6) and the video where I create the form and image control. Most people should be able to come up with the executable.zzo38 is trying to explain proper packaging to you, you lazy sob.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Like a dumbed down accounting feature. Why Not? When you have search and replace. Just a tweek here and there and maybe a background job to post the transaction
Hmm, yes, that surely sounds like something the Masses, including the HomeLess, could really use in a search app. Seriously, how the f does accounting fit into a desktop search application again?
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@spenk said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
I'm sorry but I don't have a clue about proper packaging. But do know that with an old version of VB (5 or 6) and the video where I create the form and image control. Most people should be able to come up with the executable.
How on earth can you not grasp the concept of more than one file??? VB automatically creates a project file etc. for you. Expecting everyone to follow your sodding video advice when any sane person would either zip the project up or post the code to sourceforge etc. seems like madness to me.
The funniest thing is when he posted on the net his example CD - with SSDS and political quotes - he provided links to all of the dozen or so files separately. When 1000s of files will do, Spectate insists on "8 or 20". When 1 .zip file will do, Swamp insists on uploading each file separately.
http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/7593/145493.aspx#145493
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@spenk said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
My next template
What the hell are these templates you have suddenly starting talking about? What does it mean???At a guess, he's (mis)using "template" the same way he (mis)used "skin" - to allude to a hypothetical proper GUI (replacing his stupid sequential series of cryptic prompts), which is too much work for him to bother to create, but (he thinks) little enough work that one of us is somehow morally obligated to create it for him.
I'm actually half-tempted to use a mock-up tool of my own (not VB, but close enough for this purpose) based on his help file (which actually lists pretty much all his cryptic commands in one place), just so we can all enjoy a fresh new round of WTFs when he tries to explain exactly why his stupid sequential series of cryptic prompts is better than the complicated new boondoggle.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@joemck said:
Is this guy for real? Could the Swampling have finally reached someone from the "Masses" he's always going on about?
I hope so. I probably will have trouble sleeping tonight.You and everyone else following this thread.
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Theyre always posting but they never leave, and the ones that do have no meaning, and the ones that leave are always empty, and the posts are always full, but they never arrive.
Don't read the title, they put something in it to make you forget. Forget what? Ketchup! And then.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
But picking a random song with a random start point and playing it for 8 or 10 seconds (with the option for complete play - by hitting enter) is FUN.
No, it is not. Usually, when I listen to music I listen to an entire CD/DVD/folder of MP3 files.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Swamp Search knows about fun.
If this is your definition of "fun", sure.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
It would be good if you had an old version of VB(5 or 6) just to make it easier to follow the logic through.
I tried that but VB6 gave me an error "Compile error: Procedure too large"
So I was going to make it more than one procedure but there were a lot of GoTo XXXXXXX and Resume YYYYYY so I didn't know how. Anyway your help file is easy, so I just follow that, even if it won't be identical.
I tried you fix with renaming search.exe and it worked perfect for running more than one instance (backgrounders?). I dont understand your instructions for random text search so I havent tried it yet. It would be cool if we added accounting, and you could do random accounting. Since all the features work together you get a lot more features from adding one.
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While you're at it, please add a random calculator.
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@TDC said:
While you're at it, please add a random calculator.
Oh man, that would be great.
Finally, the "masses" will be able to do "accounting" with SSDS with this great feature
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Swamp Search Unleashed.
@CodeSimian said:
Seriously, how the f does accounting fit into a desktop search application again?
In no way whatsoever does it fit. But there are no restrictions. Maybe someone wants to update a running total for each account. and a transaction record. Add that simple feature if you want.
