Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Who's idea was it to lock down computers like that. Teach them to backup and reload the OS like I do. Computer resources and data should be shared. Not locked down. Swamp makes sharing data easy.
You seem to be "giving us lessons" so it's time for you to take one as well since you insist on wandering into our turf (that you claim you don't need to know anything about)
<scenario> (Begin Scenario)
Let's set up a scenario: I'm the network administrator of a library computer system you use, you use the network I administrate and control.
1. Public computers I administrate are not owned by the you (a user), the you have no "rights" to do whatever they want on the systems owned by the library.
2. I (The network administrator) set up the computers on my network as so that the systems need little to no maintanance - My support staff have no time to reinstall the OS on 100+ computers every time something goes wrong (user infects the computer they used with a virus)
3. As opposed to your single computer on your DSL line, Every computer on my network has the capability to talk to every other computer on my network, so when one computer becomes infected with something, it has a potential to spread throughout the whole network in minutes, now you try reinstalling your OS on your computer 100+ times in a row and see how time consuming it would be for me and my network support staff to spend a better part of a night that we could be just spend time relaxing cleaning up a mess you made.
4. Whenever a user wants "to install a program" on my systems, I have no clue where that program originally came from, what it contains,or how it will effect my system, for example, if you wanted to install SSDS on a computer on my system, I would have no assurance or way of knowing if your program is a virus or not. You could show us the source code all you want, do video demos, etc.., but how do I know the exe file you want to use is the same one you demo to me without taking time out of my already busy schedule? I don't. I don't know if SSDS will turn my network into zombie computers use to attack and/or spam people.
5. If I enabled auto-run on CD/DVD drives on computers on my network, someone could easily walk by, insert a CD with a autoplay virus that infects the computer without having to even touch the keyboard, my whole network could be infected with this "walkby" virus attack.
6. Before you go on about "the common man doesn't need to know about this" -- of course he doesn't, that's why I with my network staff have set up the system simply so my users can use the system without worry and hassle. We just save users like yourself from yourselves, preventing you from becoming legally liable for infecting my systems.
7. My library system is unlike internet cafes, I have internal servers on my network (know the catelogue? that's served by one or two), I don't need someone to bring in a hacking tool and fire it up on one of the computers on my network and begin to try to crack my servers as to attempt to bring it down or attack other computers on my network.
8. If you want to, bring in your laptop, set it up, run your program(s) on that, just don't connect it to my network. I don't know where it's been or how many viruses it has, etc, I can't trust you since I don't know you.
9. I expect you to obey any AUP (Acceptable Usage Policy) or TOS (Terms Of Service) documents set forth by the library. Every library has one or more, if any library staff see you breaking it, they have the right to issue a ban for your usage of my systems and they would be fully backed by my department since I would take the word of a fellow staff member of the library over a public citizen who I don't know.
</scenario> (End Scenario)
Now, don't get me wrong, in my current (paid) job, I am a mostly benevolent system operator as am I with my other (volenteer) job, as a system administrator, I will help users in need, however, if you were to do something stupid on the systems I run/operate and claimed what you do on these forums ("I'm a common man, I shouldn't have to know that"), I would have you banned from using my systems faster than you could logoff.
Spectate, I know you'll never reply my post in whole since it doesn't suit you, but it's here for the record (I was bored).
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@DigitalXeron said:
(know the catelogue? that's served by one or two)
Given he won't read past the first line of your post, since it contains much information that completely negates his supposed purpose in life, I'll just point that he wouldn't know what a library catalogue was even if you dumped a few metric tons of old-school card files over his head, or smacked him upside the head with the complete set of DDCII books.
Library catalogues are not plain text, they're not a single text file, they don't contain video that can be flashed up randomly for 2 second intervals, they don't have large random font, and they most certainly aren't created holding a camcorder in front of a screen and claiming to see "ghosts". Oh, and they're searchable by average people with no (or very little) help or instruction. So they're totally irrelevant to his nano-scopic part of the world.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
TV Now your talking. I was thinking of a showdown at some Geek Fest. Shit I'll paint my head yellow for TV. YellowHead returns. I'll rant on about politics because us Swampies will have such a big lead right off the bat.
There will never be a showdown, you simply keep refusing any proposed challenges.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I guess Libraries never have much call for that type of service. It would be handy for anybody that can't afford a computer but knows about Swamp Search. Might just as well include the HomeLess. What a wonderful program that can do all that.
Why would a library need to offer that service? How would anybody without a computer then be able to use the dvd anyway? So SSDS now helps the homeless???
@SpectateSwamp said:
Navigable DVD's with everything from how to use SSDS, to Building your first EXE, to Where the wonderful souls at TheDailyWTF are going to take this program. The DVD would include screen re-shoots; then a Yellowheaded guy with a camera moving through the crowd capturing more footage for the final DVD burn Minutes later. The crowd will want a copy because they will be the demo.
Nobody will be building their first .exe unless they already own a copy of VB5 or 6 , why the hell would anyone other than yourself wantto watch screen reshoots? Trust me on this - nobody would want a copy of this dvd assuming anyone even turned up anyway.
@SpectateSwamp said:
OneNote may work for Swamp Search. Who makes it? You are pretty wordy here. So you can type. Why the hand-written stuff? or are you just showing off.
One note is by Microsoft. Hand written stuff can be very useful if you are not at a traditional computer but are using a tablet pc or a smartphone etc.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Our local library has a couple DVD's set to autorun displaying the Political Forums. Who's idea was it to lock down computers like that. Teach them to backup and reload the OS like I do. Computer resources and data should be shared. Not locked down. Swamp makes sharing data easy.
Lucky visitors of your library.... Locking down computers in a public area is common sense as it prevents virus / spyware etc. from being installed and makes the PCs more stable and robust. Reinstalling the os etc. is a waste of time, time the librarians could be spending doing otherthings. Backups or not reinstalling is still a waste of time if you can prevent the need.
Allowing people to break these public access terminals is not helping the sharing of information or data - preventing the terminals from failure is.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
TV Now your talking. I was thinking of a showdown at some Geek Fest.
Well why didn't you say so before? Your lack of context is disturbing. Wait, no puns intended...
@SpectateSwamp said:
Shit I'll paint my head yellow for TV.
This MegaTroll is dying! SwampBot got hacked and has been replaced with but a pale imitation of his former self... Argh, again, no puns intended... No, not really...
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@CodeSimian said:
Navigable DVD's with everything from how to use SSDS, to Building your first EXE, to Where the wonderful souls at TheDailyWTF are going to take this program. The DVD would include screen re-shoots; then a Yellowheaded guy with a camera moving through the crowd capturing more footage for the final DVD burn Minutes later. The crowd will want a copy because they will be the demo.@SpectateSwamp said:
Real projects burned and given to the crowd.
Nobody understands what this means.
<font size="10">THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD.</font>
NOTE: The following is written in words of one syllable, for ease of understanding by the terminally spaktarded.
<font size="5">You are a fool. The things you write make no sense. Your code makes us sad. You talk like a child- a child who can't write very well. You try to seem smart, but you say things that don't make sense, and they mean still less to the guy you say them to. Your work is no use, and it does not help us. You've done no good things, and said no smart things here at all. We all want you to leave. I have a choice for you- you can start to make sense, and talk to us when we ask you things, or you can fuck off. Please choose, now.</font>
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Portability == Longevity == Swamp Search
@CodeSimian said:
The one statement has nothing to do with the other. I think you are trying to say "keeping everything in text files makes sharing data easy." Well, that is debatable, but this is not: nobody needs SSDS to use text files. I don't know how many times I can tell you this: SSDS does not "help" you keep all your data in a handful of text files, it forces you to do so. Nobody wants to use an application which forces them to work in a way which is inconvenient, illogical and confusing.
You either share your data or you lose it. An article on "what happens when our data is no longer readable?" A New Dark Age.Some of my video will be around for a long time. Because I shared it. The more sophisticated your data format the more likely it will be lost early. We should be thinking more long term when dealing with family treasures.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@bstorer said:
Not to mention that you have to burn the DVDs somehow. I've not been to a library that will burn DVDs for me.
I guess Libraries never have much call for that type of service. It would be handy for anybody that can't afford a computer but knows about Swamp Search. Might just as well include the HomeLess. What a wonderful program that can do all that.
Your ideas annoy me and I'd like to set fire to your newsletter. Why, in the name of all that is holy, would a homeless person carry around DVDs? And how would SSDS help them?
"Well, I've got this DVD full of my hobo contacts, but I can't read it. Thank goodness the DVD -- which I still can't read -- also contains a poorly written piece of software -- which I can't run -- that searches them in the worst possible way -- provided I dump them from their useful formats into a single flat text file -- and is so cryptic I don't know how to use it -- which is fine, BECAUSE I STILL CAN'T RUN IT."
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Go Yellow with Swamp Search
@derula said:
What does Desktop Search have to do with politics?
Nothing other than "why are outsiders so clueless about how insiders control politics" should be my next thread.
@derula said:
Have you any source (as in, "video") to confirm that "big lead" theory? In the one political video of your's where you take some "speech", I only see people laughing at you.
There was nobody pointing fingers and snickering. I can tell you that. It was nervous laughter from the plants the filled the place.
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Re: Portability == Longevity != Swamp Search
@SpectateSwamp said:
You either share your data or you lose it. An article on "what happens when our data is no longer readable?" A New Dark Age.
Although the issue of maintaining data in various formats is a possible cause for concern dumping all of the data into a single large text file is not the answer. Often the information is more than just the textual content - converting this to text is effectively losing this additional information. Before you say 'video' or 'screen shot' though be aware the format you save your videos and images in is also going to suffer the same issues regarding format support in years to come.
Equally what the fuck does SSDS have to do with sharing information. SSDS allows you to search a single file, nothing more; sharing of information is not a feature you can claim to support.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Some of my video will be around for a long time. Because I shared it. The more sophisticated your data format the more likely it will be lost early. We should be thinking more long term when dealing with family treasures.
Do you have any guarantee that your video will be viewable in years to come though? There is no certainty that mpeg, divx or whatever format you use now will still be in use in years to come, just the same as any other file format.
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Libraries will change - Need more dumb terminals NOW
@MarcB said:
We do share our computers, we just choose to set limits as to what can be done with them. And one thing that is absolutely forbidden is installing or running "foreign" software on the computers. The I.T. department has more important things to do than clean up those 100 machines every time they barf all over themselves because an idiot like you installed the latest "screensaver" that was sent to them in the mail.
The Pulp and PaperMill had 150 users running on a vax with pc's running as dumb terminals. Operations had it much easier than you do. Same with the library systems. Even more dumb terminals than that. Dumb terminals aren't all that bad support wise.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
The Pulp and PaperMill had 150 users running on a vax with pc's running as dumb terminals. Operations had it much easier than you do. Same with the library systems. Even more dumb terminals than that. Dumb terminals aren't all that bad support wise.
I'm guessing these dumb terminals wouldn't allow users to install or run SSDS either. Did you have a point?
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Libraries should change
@DigitalXeron said:
I supported 20 or so library systems King County in Washington state was the largest. We knew next to nothing about the system or libraries but learned fast. Indexes were messed up regularly. With everything so restricted due to virus and such. How about ONE or TWO computers that are not on your Net and have a burner and a minimum of software. And somebody that would reload the OS when it became evident that was needed. Don't lock everybody down with your security. Please@SpectateSwamp said:
Who's idea was it to lock down computers like that. Teach them to backup and reload the OS like I do. Computer resources and data should be shared. Not locked down. Swamp makes sharing data easy.
You seem to be "giving us lessons" so it's time for you to take one as well since you insist on wandering into our turf (that you claim you don't need to know anything about)
<scenario> (Begin Scenario)
Let's set up a scenario: I'm the network administrator of a library computer system you use, you use the network I administrate and control.
1. Public computers I administrate are not owned by the you (a user), the you have no "rights" to do whatever they want on the systems owned by the library.
2. I (The network administrator) set up the computers on my network as so that the systems need little to no maintanance - My support staff have no time to reinstall the OS on 100+ computers every time something goes wrong (user infects the computer they used with a virus)
3. As opposed to your single computer on your DSL line, Every computer on my network has the capability to talk to every other computer on my network, so when one computer becomes infected with something, it has a potential to spread throughout the whole network in minutes, now you try reinstalling your OS on your computer 100+ times in a row and see how time consuming it would be for me and my network support staff to spend a better part of a night that we could be just spend time relaxing cleaning up a mess you made.
4. Whenever a user wants "to install a program" on my systems, I have no clue where that program originally came from, what it contains,or how it will effect my system, for example, if you wanted to install SSDS on a computer on my system, I would have no assurance or way of knowing if your program is a virus or not. You could show us the source code all you want, do video demos, etc.., but how do I know the exe file you want to use is the same one you demo to me without taking time out of my already busy schedule? I don't. I don't know if SSDS will turn my network into zombie computers use to attack and/or spam people.
5. If I enabled auto-run on CD/DVD drives on computers on my network, someone could easily walk by, insert a CD with a autoplay virus that infects the computer without having to even touch the keyboard, my whole network could be infected with this "walkby" virus attack.
6. Before you go on about "the common man doesn't need to know about this" -- of course he doesn't, that's why I with my network staff have set up the system simply so my users can use the system without worry and hassle. We just save users like yourself from yourselves, preventing you from becoming legally liable for infecting my systems.
7. My library system is unlike internet cafes, I have internal servers on my network (know the catelogue? that's served by one or two), I don't need someone to bring in a hacking tool and fire it up on one of the computers on my network and begin to try to crack my servers as to attempt to bring it down or attack other computers on my network.
8. If you want to, bring in your laptop, set it up, run your program(s) on that, just don't connect it to my network. I don't know where it's been or how many viruses it has, etc, I can't trust you since I don't know you.
9. I expect you to obey any AUP (Acceptable Usage Policy) or TOS (Terms Of Service) documents set forth by the library. Every library has one or more, if any library staff see you breaking it, they have the right to issue a ban for your usage of my systems and they would be fully backed by my department since I would take the word of a fellow staff member of the library over a public citizen who I don't know.
</scenario> (End Scenario)
Now, don't get me wrong, in my current (paid) job, I am a mostly benevolent system operator as am I with my other (volenteer) job, as a system administrator, I will help users in need, however, if you were to do something stupid on the systems I run/operate and claimed what you do on these forums ("I'm a common man, I shouldn't have to know that"), I would have you banned from using my systems faster than you could logoff.
Spectate, I know you'll never reply my post in whole since it doesn't suit you, but it's here for the record (I was bored).
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@CodeSimian said:
The one statement has nothing to do with the other. I think you are trying to say "keeping everything in text files makes sharing data easy." Well, that is debatable, but this is not: nobody needs SSDS to use text files. I don't know how many times I can tell you this: SSDS does not "help" you keep all your data in a handful of text files, it forces you to do so. Nobody wants to use an application which forces them to work in a way which is inconvenient, illogical and confusing.
You either share your data or you lose it. An article on "what happens when our data is no longer readable?" A New Dark Age.That is an excellent job of not actually responding to the comments made. Truly, you are a visionary in that (and only that) field.
First, the article: it's title, "A New Dark Age," was probably not selected by the author, but by his editor, who is simply trying to get people to read it. Nothing within suggests that we are facing -- or ever will face -- a dark age due to old data being unreadable. In fact, had the article suggested such a thing, it would have been an outright lie. There is no dark age coming because data which matters will constantly be updated. It will never be out of date if the owner cannot afford to let it get out of date. The article is really about data that does little more than sit with the possiblity that it will be of use at some indeterminate date in the future. This is the only data that has a great potential to be lost. But this again, is not truly that big a deal. What are we dealing with, perhaps one major upgrade per decade? For most people, this is a small price to pay.
Some of my video will be around for a long time. Because I shared it.
That's only true if other people take what you've shared. Otherwise, it will die just as easily as if you had left it sitting in a drawer. Not to mention that all you've done is put the onus on Google to maintain it. What happens when Google decides that because nobody else cares about your video, neither should they?
The more sophisticated your data format the more likely it will be lost early.
The MPEG codecs are extremely sophisticated as data formats. Clearly you're due to lose it in two to three weeks.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I supported 20 or so library systems King County in Washington state was the largest. We knew next to nothing about the system or libraries but learned fast. Indexes were messed up regularly. With everything so restricted due to virus and such. How about ONE or TWO computers that are not on your Net and have a burner and a minimum of software. And somebody that would reload the OS when it became evident that was needed. Don't lock everybody down with your security. Please
The library systems are there to be used by the public, there is no reason why any of these systems should have relaxed security. Just because you have the time to waste reinstalling software doesn't mean this is the best solution for anyone else.
I think I have also spotted a minor flaw in your argument of having one or two computers that aren't locked down; how do you get the content onto these two pcs so you can then burn it to dvd. Show me a solution that is robust and secure because none spring to my mind.
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@bstorer said:
The more sophisticated your data format the more likely it will be lost early.
The MPEG codecs are extremely sophisticated as data formats. Clearly you're due to lose it in two to three weeks.
Exactly. Thank you for pointing this out. In fact, this book on the MPEG video specification is 516 pages long:
http://www.amazon.com/Compression-Standard-Digital-Multimedia-Standards/dp/0412087715
And of course, there are a multitude of containers and codecs for PC video, especially with the recent proliferation of "hi-def" (e.g. 1280 x 720) video. Strangely enough, Swamp is content to keep all of his MPEG video untouched (except for the occasional re-shoot), yet he won't deal with far simpler formats such as HTML, Outlook Express mailboxes, PDF, etc.
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@bstorer said:
It will never be out of date if the owner cannot afford to let it get out of date. The article is really about data that does little more than sit with the possiblity that it will be of use at some indeterminate date in the future. This is the only data that has a great potential to be lost. But this again, is not truly that big a deal. What are we dealing with, perhaps one major upgrade per decade? For most people, this is a small price to pay.
It's not a big deal to the common man, or the current generation, but I think there is a danger of losing information that will be of future archeological, historical or scientific interest. However, that is a pretty abstract concern, and of course SSDS does nothing to alleviate it.
To be fair, several of my tech-saavy colleagues at work, who have largish archives of family photos and videos, have expressed concern that their data is becoming more and more unwieldy and long-term storage solutions are uncertain. (Hard drives die, optical media degrades, etc.)
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@derula said:
What does Desktop Search have to do with politics?
Nothing other than "why are outsiders so clueless about how insiders control politics" should be my next thread.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE YOU RETARD. Of course insiders control politics to a certain extent. It is just like any profession or group that self-selects its members (law, medicine, etc.) What do you propose to do about it? That's right: NOTHING. I'll say it again: the fact that you couldn't win an election is solid evidence that democracy is working just fine, thank you.
@SpectateSwamp said:@derula said:
Have you any source (as in, "video") to confirm that "big lead" theory? In the one political video of your's where you take some "speech", I only see people laughing at you.
There was nobody pointing fingers and snickering. I can tell you that. It was nervous laughter from the plants the filled the place.Please spare us your paranoid fantasies. Even if there were "party plants" in the audience, do you think you would've won the election if they weren't present? Blaming every failure in your life on "plants" is a weak, pathetic cop-out.
Did you ever consider that the reason people don't "point fingers and snicker" is because they are trying to be as polite as possible. This is the same reason that many people in this thread initially held back from screaming and swearing at you. However, as you continue to aggravate and annoy, no one will bother treating you with common courtesy.
I'll tell you why they were laughing. Nothing you said in that video made any sense or gave anyone a reason to vote for you. To be frank, you came across as a rambling, incoherent lunatic.
@YellowHead said:
...fine, fine folks of Yellowhead, Yellowhead, Yellowhead.
@YellowHead said:
...I've been in data processing, data data processing for 22 years...
@YellowHead said:
...they keep saying there's 3 main parties, 3 main parties. Who are they, who are they. I'll tell you, they're not the guy with the Yellow Head.
@Yellowhead said:
...nobody needs more than a Grade 9 education...why do they teach kids sex education...they should be teaching them to select a partner...
(Yeah, good luck teaching kids to select a partner when many adults aren't capable of doing so. While we're at it, why don't we start teaching kids how to happy, successful and well-adjusted? Hint: because there is no magic formula for success in life and relationships, and there are some things which just can't be taught in a classroom.)
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@CodeSimian said:
@bstorer said:
It will never be out of date if the owner cannot afford to let it get out of date. The article is really about data that does little more than sit with the possiblity that it will be of use at some indeterminate date in the future. This is the only data that has a great potential to be lost. But this again, is not truly that big a deal. What are we dealing with, perhaps one major upgrade per decade? For most people, this is a small price to pay.
It's not a big deal to the common man, or the current generation, but I think there is a danger of losing information that will be of future archeological, historical or scientific interest. However, that is a pretty abstract concern, and of course SSDS does nothing to alleviate it.
To be fair, several of my tech-saavy colleagues at work, who have largish archives of family photos and videos, have expressed concern that their data is becoming more and more unwieldy and long-term storage solutions are uncertain. (Hard drives die, optical media degrades, etc.)
There are really two separate issues: media loss and format obsolescence. Media loss will probably always be a way of life; that's why you make backups. If you're only storing something in one place, be it CD, DVD, hard drive, or tape, it can easily be lost.
Format obsolescence is a bit more nefarious, and the one people are more apt to forget about. But ultimately, if the data matters, it will be upgraded. In terms of data with a future archeological, historical, or scientific interest, odds are better than you'd expect that the data can be recovered. If it matters, and we still have some idea of how it's stored, we can shake it back out again. The only data truly at risk is that which lacks enough value to be worth recovering. And yes, that data will probably be lost, unless its owners take the time to keep its format current.
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@CodeSimian said:
@Yellowhead said:
...nobody needs more than a Grade 9 education...why do they teach kids sex education...they should be teaching them to select a partner...
(Yeah, good luck teaching kids to select a partner when many adults aren't capable of doing so. While we're at it, why don't we start teaching kids how to happy, successful and well-adjusted? Hint: because there is no magic formula for success in life and relationships, and there are some things which just can't be taught in a classroom.)
Wow. I must have missed that Grade 9 comment the first time around. That explains so, so much. Does SpectateSwamp have a doctor who hasn't learned anything more complex in biology than the parts of the cell?
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@bstorer said:
Does SpectateSwamp have a doctor who hasn't learned anything more complex in biology than the parts of the cell?
That would explain a lot... like how he could miss obvious brain damage.
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@bstorer said:
@CodeSimian said:
@Yellowhead said:
...nobody needs more than a Grade 9 education...why do they teach kids sex education...they should be teaching them to select a partner...
(Yeah, good luck teaching kids to select a partner when many adults aren't capable of doing so. While we're at it, why don't we start teaching kids how to happy, successful and well-adjusted? Hint: because there is no magic formula for success in life and relationships, and there are some things which just can't be taught in a classroom.)
Wow. I must have missed that Grade 9 comment the first time around. That explains so, so much. Does SpectateSwamp have a doctor who hasn't learned anything more complex in biology than the parts of the cell?
I was quoting his "famous" election video. Don't watch it unless you want further proof that this man is a deranged lunatic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKwxLB6jO54
If you look a bit up-thread, when challenged he consistently reaffirms his statement that "nobody needs more than a Grade 9 education." Swamp is quite the anti-intellectual. And it does explain a lot.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@MarcB said:
I get a laugh out of "I was YellowHead" bit, given that his avatar has a distinctly yellow cast to it.
A small part of the 93 election forum. Even more laughs.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKwxLB6jO54
Yellowhead was the last riding in Canada. I came in LAST. If you are going to be last be VERY last.
Wow. I just watched that again, and I STILL can't work out more than half what he's saying. He just seems to be ranting about "plants" for most of it...
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@rc_pinchey said:
Wow. I just watched that again, and I STILL can't work out more than half what he's saying. He just seems to be ranting about "plants" for most of it...
Much like this thread, sadly....
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For those who missed it and are interested:
@SpectateSwamp said:
@CodeSimian said:
In the video, you said that nobody needs more than a Grade 9 education. Do you really believe that?
To do all the jobs in IT, that I had done to that point. I could have had an apprentice with Grade 9 and taught them everything. Seems TOO high of an education can be a detriment to learning. Knowing it all, makes it hard to learn. I taught educated people how to do Cable Billing conversions. They knew nothing about cable or billing. Like my old boss said "It's not Rocket Science" It is mostly accounting and the old extract sort and report steps. The BEST programmer I came across in all my years had Grade 12 and no formal computer education. (That's not me)
That's why I say even a non programmer can understand this program. Once they get a glimmer of what's going on. Then the unknown and fear dissipate.
I just gotta show you all how I use SSDS as a spell checker. Just checked "dissipate" WOW what a wonderful use. And I always hated spelling. (no good at it)
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@rc_pinchey said:
You talk like a child- a child who can't write very well.
Failed, that word had two syllables, he won't get anything of that paragraqph.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
You either share your data or you lose it. An article on "what happens when our data is no longer readable?" A New Dark Age.
If you'd actually bothered to read the article, you would have come across the following two paragraphs:
@article said:
One of the biggest problems for people wanting to store data is the selection of a physical media. There are no ratified standards detailing the archival quality of storage media technology, and advances in storage methods mean formats are essentially supplanted every 10 years. For example, DVD will shortly give way to new formats such as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. ...
"Early CDs and DVDs had metal in the disk, and there have been stories of them failing pretty quickly. They have become much better at protecting the metals, but it is an Achilles heel," said Kevin Curtis, InPhase founder and CTO.
So some day, your DVDs will have degraded to the point where they don't work anymore, and there won't be players that can read them anymore. And some day, the VB5 runtime will no longer be easily available/compatible, and SSDS won't even run on your computer anymore. (It's only too bad that hasn't happened yet...darn Microsoft and their backwards compatibility.)
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@derula said:
@rc_pinchey said:
You talk like a child- a child who can't write very well.
Failed, that word had two syllables, he won't get anything of that paragraqph.It took this long for someone to go through that paragraph to check that each word was only one syllable? I think a few people need to turn in their Pedants International membership cards.
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@derula said:
@rc_pinchey said:
You talk like a child- a child who can't write very well.
Failed, that word had two syllables, he won't get anything of that paragraqph.Damn damn damn damn damn. That was the last bit I wrote, too. It's really surprisingly hard to write using single-syllable words. I should have gone with "a child with poo for a brain". Maturity FTW!
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@rc_pinchey said:
Damn damn damn damn damn. That was the last bit I wrote, too. It's really surprisingly hard to write using single-syllable words.
Aye.. 'tis difficult. I think that's why I have a problem keeping people's attention in meetings sometimes.
@rc_pinchey said:
I should have gone with "a child with poo for a brain". Maturity FTW!
Haha!
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@SpectateSwamp said:
The Pulp and PaperMill had 150 users running on a vax with pc's running as dumb terminals. Operations had it much easier than you do. Same with the library systems. Even more dumb terminals than that. Dumb terminals aren't all that bad support wise.
Do you really think that modern PCs exist only to run a terminal emulator to talk to a mainframe? Do you think you could have run SSDS on a VAX and had your fancy random video and large random scrolling text, all the while stuck inside a VT100 environment?
Show me where VisualBasic for VMS exists. Please, really... prove that it exists.
@SpectateSwamp said:
You either share your data or you lose it. An article on "what happens when our data is no longer readable?" A New Dark Age
And what happens when DVD drives are obsoleted and forgotten? Your fancy Political Forums and "all my data is searchable" backup discs will be useless, except as coasters.
Data accessibility has nothing to do with sharing. Data being stuck on obsolete systems has everything to do with bad management decisions and lack of foresight. An organization that is properly concerned with data future-proofing will have a budget in place for migrating data to newer systems and storage methods as they become available.
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@MarcB said:
Show me where VisualBasic for VMS exists. Please, really... prove that it exists.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/basic/fact_sheet.html
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/basic/fact_sheet.html
That's just wrong on so many levels..
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@MarcB said:
Show me where VisualBasic for VMS exists. Please, really... prove that it exists.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/basic/fact_sheet.html
It looks like that does the opposite. That is, moving HP BASIC to Windows by translating it to VB.
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@bstorer said:
It looks like that does the opposite. That is, moving HP BASIC to Windows by translating it to VB.
It still makes baby jesus cry...
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@insta said:
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You are having a lot of fun editing that post over and over huh?
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@bstorer said:
It looks like that does the opposite. That is, moving HP BASIC to Windows by translating it to VB.
It still makes baby jesus cry...
Agreed. But really, everything makes Baby Jesus cry. He's colicky.
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... not really.
Again, the forum software, major wtf, blah blah blah.
It bugs me if my posts aren't formatted how I want them. I'll continue editing them until it's right.
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@insta said:
... not really.
Again, the forum software, major wtf, blah blah blah.
It bugs me if my posts aren't formatted how I want them. I'll continue editing them until it's right.
So the enter key and the quote button don't work for you then?
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@rc_pinchey said:
So, who on earth needs tens of thousands of separate files? EVERYBODY, Swamp. Everybody.
on the contrary, my Atari ST loads the OS from a rom image, requiring 0 files to boot.
(and the FAT12 filesystem only supports up to 4,077 files per disk anyway)
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Some of my video will be around for a long time. Because I shared it. The more sophisticated your data format the more likely it will be lost early. We should be thinking more long term when dealing with family treasures.
Family treasures? Is that what you're calling your videos?
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@davidrhoskin said:
@rc_pinchey said:
So, who on earth needs tens of thousands of separate files? EVERYBODY, Swamp. Everybody.
on the contrary, my Atari ST loads the OS from a rom image, requiring 0 files to boot.
(and the FAT12 filesystem only supports up to 4,077 files per disk anyway)
Hi DavidSwamp. When can I expect SSDS for ST? It's in VB, so it's extremely portable.
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Portability == Longevity == Swamp Search
@Eternal Density said:
Family treasures? Is that what you're calling your videos?
Nope. About 8 years ago. We took all the family pictures out of their albums and set about scanning them in. 700 were black and white and quite old. A few were on metal. A total of over 5000+ family pictures. Way way more valuable than any old excel spreadsheet. Or some powerpoint sales pitch. There are lots of copies for future generations to take a look at. Yellow and all.
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@MarcB said:
I had a very privitive version of SSDS running on the VAX Nothing compared to Swamp Search. Having dumb terminals does made the main system (Plant Management System) more reliable. I am either Hunting Plants or Managing them. I never did say that VMS had Visual Basic. If I did. It is due to my scatter brain.Do you really think that modern PCs exist only to run a terminal emulator to talk to a mainframe? Do you think you could have run SSDS on a VAX and had your fancy random video and large random scrolling text, all the while stuck inside a VT100 environment?
Show me where VisualBasic for VMS exists. Please, really... prove that it exists.
@MarcB said:
Data being stuck on obsolete systems has everything to do with bad management decisions
That is what I'm trying to warn the Masses about. Techies can deal with all those formats if they want. If you plan to keep the truly valuable info. Be it pictures or Video. Use the most common format and make sure there are copies distributed, of the really important ones.
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Spectate Swamp won't laugh at you.
@aleph said:
My Great great videos will survive. People have downloaded copies of the "Dino Skin Expedition" and the "Hooded Crow Collection" consisting of 200 + video clips over a year and a half. Are in the Royal Alberta Museum. By their request. I have shared SSDS source here and it will move ahead regardless if any of you help or not. My preference is. You grab a copy, make changes, jam it. make more changes and find out how Swamp Search works. Ask me some dumb questions. I won't laugh at you.So some day, your DVDs will have degraded to the point where they don't work anymore, and there won't be players that can read them anymore. And some day, the VB5 runtime will no longer be easily available/compatible, and SSDS won't even run on your computer anymore. (It's only too bad that hasn't happened yet...darn Microsoft and their backwards compatibility.)
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Butt Kissers and Political Cheats and Riggers
@CodeSimian said:
That list should change to include "Advanced Butt Kissing and Political Control and Cheating for Beginners" If I would have learned those lessons at an early age, things might have been different. More different.(Yeah, good luck teaching kids to select a partner when many adults aren't capable of doing so. While we're at it, why don't we start teaching kids how to happy, successful and well-adjusted? Hint: because there is no magic formula for success in life and relationships, and there are some things which just can't be taught in a classroom.)
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Common Man Needs - Spectate Swamp Desktop Search
@CodeSimian said:
It's not a big deal to the common man, or the current generation, but I think there is a danger of losing information that will be of future archeological, historical or scientific interest. However, that is a pretty abstract concern, and of course SSDS does nothing to alleviate it.
It should be a big deal to the masses. I'm sure the Big mystery of computing is what has kept them away from digital video in droves. At every turn there are different applications to do editing. playing, backups. Nothing there to help them understand what they are doing ISN'T rocket science. They can be dumb and have fun with computers. Just learn 8 or 10 commands on this Swamp Search Engine.
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A more Robusty Search I never Knew
@spenk said:
I think I have also spotted a minor flaw in your argument of having one or two computers that aren't locked down; how do you get the content onto these two pcs so you can then burn it to dvd. Show me a solution that is robust and secure because none spring to my mind.
The HomeLess would come in with a DVD that had SSDS and their important data on it, make their changes and additions. They might even use a portable USB storage device Then burn their New ComputerLess system Disk. Every important record they need on a DVD.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@spenk said:
I think I have also spotted a minor flaw in your argument of having one or two computers that aren't locked down; how do you get the content onto these two pcs so you can then burn it to dvd. Show me a solution that is robust and secure because none spring to my mind.
The HomeLess would come in with a DVD that had SSDS and their important data on it, make their changes and additions. They might even use a portable USB storage device Then burn their New ComputerLess system Disk. Every important record they need on a DVD.Call me crazy, but I think the "HomeLess" will have more important things on their minds, such as procuring food, shelter, and bathroom facilities. Even if the homeless needed computing as a high priority, for some reason, SSDS is not the tool to empower them.
Could you please try to join us in the real world?
