Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?

elgate

@spenk said:
@elgate said:
I would have tried to de-GOTO the entire thing

Not often I say this but 'goto isn't the big problem', gosub is used everywhere so it can't even be ported to .Net without major re-engineering.
Glad to see some of you have taken a serious look at porting. You 2 are the BEST.

Yeah, but since your response to my request for access to the sourceforge project (so I could, you know, actually HELP YOU) was "you're all lazy", I'm going to invest my time in more productive things, such as mocking you, instead.

Guess that means I'm not "the BEST" any more.

As for not having access to VB5, I was going to borrow it from a friend, whose initials, funnily enough, are B.T....

Just kidding. Work has a spare license.

emurphy

@spenk said:

@elgate said:
I would have tried to de-GOTO the entire thing

Not often I say this but 'goto isn't the big problem', gosub is used everywhere so it can't even be ported to .Net without major re-engineering.

Someone might want to just skim enough of the thing to work out the general intent of the "gf" and 574 other commands, then mock up a proper GUI interface for the same functionality (not worrying about the actual back-end code, just the front-end) - in other words, the part that SS incorrectly dismisses as a mere "skin".

CodeSimian

@emurphy said:

Nobody wants to just skim enough of the thing to work out the general intent of the "gf" and 574 other commands, then mock up a proper GUI interface for the same functionality (not worrying about the actual back-end code, just the front-end) - in other words, the part that SS incorrectly dismisses as a mere "skin".

Fixed that for ya.

WWWWolf

@swamp monster said:

http://www.huntingchat.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t9403.html

He says only the Alpha Male is well endowed testicle
wise. The others seem to have much smaller ones and
he has his own explanation for that. Anyway they will
be lined up like fence posts when we collect them.

In the immortal words of the wolf in my Wikipedia user page, "What's going on???"

@tdittmar said:

Well, Swamp, without wanting to start a discussion on this (I won't discuss this) all I can say is: I hope that you and your fine friends get sued for all you have for hunting Wolves. While I don't have much respect for hunting in general, hunting an endangered species is just not acceptable. To be honest, I hope they cut off your balls and feed them to the pack. Then you can line up behind the Omega so they kick your ass whenever they feel like it.

I certainly agree. This sort of dark secrets from swampland sound very scary indeed!

spenk

@emurphy said:

Someone might want to just skim enough of the thing to work out the general intent of the "gf" and 574 other commands, then mock up a proper GUI interface for the same functionality (not worrying about the actual back-end code, just the front-end) - in other words, the part that SS incorrectly dismisses as a mere "skin".

I love the idea of skimming a 10000 line routine full of poorly named variables and labels, gotos and gosubs everywhere and not much in the way of comments ;) One day I hope to skim 'War and Peace' ;)

Bifi

@spenk said:

I love the idea of skimming a 10000 line routine full of poorly named variables and labels, gotos and gosubs everywhere and not much in the way of comments ;) One day I hope to skim 'War and Peace' ;)

Spenk, I have to ask you, are you trying to become a masochist?

If so, please continue, oh and please share the good stuff with us. Maybe someday it will even end up at the frontpage.

Could anyone image that?

jakkle

@Bifi said:

Spenk, I have to ask you, are you trying to become a masochist?

Frankly, anyone still reading this thread and arguing with spectate is a bit of a masochist, in my opinion.

SpectateSwamp

Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art

@spenk said:

@emurphy said:
Someone might want to just skim enough of the thing to work out the general intent of the "gf" and 574 other commands, then mock up a proper GUI interface for the same functionality (not worrying about the actual back-end code, just the front-end) - in other words, the part that SS incorrectly dismisses as a mere "skin".

I love the idea of skimming a 10000 line routine full of poorly named variables and labels, gotos and gosubs everywhere and not much in the way of comments ;) One day I hope to skim 'War and Peace' ;)

You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

You'll find working with this program very interesting.

jakkle

@SpectateSwamp said:

@spenk said:
@emurphy said:
Someone might want to just skim enough of the thing to work out the general intent of the "gf" and 574 other commands, then mock up a proper GUI interface for the same functionality (not worrying about the actual back-end code, just the front-end) - in other words, the part that SS incorrectly dismisses as a mere "skin".

I love the idea of skimming a 10000 line routine full of poorly named variables and labels, gotos and gosubs everywhere and not much in the way of comments ;) One day I hope to skim 'War and Peace' ;)

You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

You'll find working with this program very interesting.

THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD

CodeSimian

@SpectateSwamp said:

You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD.

THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD.

DigitalXeron

@SpectateSwamp said:

You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

You'll find working with this program very interesting.

WTF?!
Sphagetti Code != Good code.

Sphagetti Code = HORRID code

CodeSimian

@DigitalXeron said:

Sphagetti Code != Good code.
Sphagetti Code = HORRID code

You poor sob.

WAR IS PEACE.

SLAVERY IS FREEDOM.

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

SSDS FREES YOU FROM GEEKY COMPUTER KNOWLEDGE.

Bifi

@jakkle said:

Frankly, anyone still reading this thread and arguing with spectate is a bit of a masochist, in my opinion.

:) I know, I know.

I completely argee. Now, where was that version of the SSDS sourcecode again?

WeatherGod

@SpectateSwamp said:

You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

You'll find working with this program very interesting.

I wanted to post a witty reply to this, but I found myself at a complete lost for words. Are you for real? Are you purposely taking the term "Spaghetti" which has a complete negative connocation in the programming world and trying to use it as a positive term to a forum of programmers? Are you seriously believing that spaghetti code has its place with OOP and other coding styles?

CodeSimian

@WeatherGod said:

@SpectateSwamp said:
You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

You'll find working with this program very interesting.
I wanted to post a witty reply to this, but I found myself at a complete lost for words. Are you for real? Are you purposely taking the term "Spaghetti" which has a complete negative connocation in the programming world and trying to use it as a positive term to a forum of programmers? Are you seriously believing that spaghetti code has its place with OOP and other coding styles?

Uh, hello? Have you been paying attention at all? (j/k)

(I think this thread is destined to repeat itself in various permutations of absurdity, ad infinitum, until the Big Crunch, or the heat death of the universe).

spenk

@SpectateSwamp said:

You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

You'll find working with this program very interesting.

I no longer have (or care about) vb5 or 6 so there is nothing I can do with this mess.

There is no such thing as good spaghetti code - the term itself is meant as an insult to the lack of quality. The programming world has moved on since the days you seem to be stuck in, GOSUB really stopped serving a purpose when the whole idea of procedures (functions and subs) came into existence - this is not a recent invention either.

Global variables and a lack of structure effectively prevent anyone from following the 'logic' unless there is some decent documentation to back the source up.

CodeSimian

@spenk said:

Global variables and a lack of structure effectively prevent anyone from following the 'logic' unless there is some decent documentation to back the source up.

Uh, hello? Have you seen the flowcharts? (j/k)

(In all seriousness, Swamp really thinks the flowcharts are decent documentation.)

WeatherGod

@CodeSimian said:

@WeatherGod said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

You'll find working with this program very interesting.
I wanted to post a witty reply to this, but I found myself at a complete lost for words. Are you for real? Are you purposely taking the term "Spaghetti" which has a complete negative connocation in the programming world and trying to use it as a positive term to a forum of programmers? Are you seriously believing that spaghetti code has its place with OOP and other coding styles?

Uh, hello? Have you been paying attention at all? (j/k)
(I think this thread is destined to repeat itself in various permutations of absurdity, ad infinitum, until the Big Crunch, or the heat death of the universe).

I shouldn't have been surprised, but I just figured that NO ONE, not even one in their WRONG MIND, would ever claim that spaghetti coding is a lost art.

This absurdity is approaching 'If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college...'

CodeSimian

@CodeSimian said:

@WeatherGod said:
I wanted to post a witty reply to this, but I found myself at a complete lost for words. Are you for real? Are you purposely taking the term "Spaghetti" which has a complete negative connocation in the programming world and trying to use it as a positive term to a forum of programmers? Are you seriously believing that spaghetti code has its place with OOP and other coding styles?

Uh, hello? Have you been paying attention at all? (j/k)

In all seriousness, Swamp already posted early on that all good programs must use GOTOs, for "maintainability". Seriously. There is no limit to this man's WTF-ery.

derula

@SpectateSwamp said:

You'll find working with this program very interesting.

Interesting in terms of holy f5g cow this is bullshit maybe.

Hey, SpectateSwamp, how do you like my Swamp Rap? You can find it here: http://derula.uglyhorst.de/lol/?download=37

CodeSimian

http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/7593/142504.aspx#142504

@SociopathSwamp said:

GoTo and shitty, Try and make major changes to programs that arn't spaghetti. If it is well designed a well placed GoTo can do Magic.

jakkle

@CodeSimian said:

Mr Simian, I would like to carry your babies. That is an awesome picture! :D

Bifi

@CodeSimian said:

http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/7593/142504.aspx#142504
@SociopathSwamp said:
GoTo and shitty, Try and make major changes to programs that arn't spaghetti. If it is well designed a well placed GoTo can do Magic.

Wow, you actually took the time to search for previous "posts" made by our hero Swamp?

You've got my respect, in case you want it:), just one tiny question. You did use SSDS right?

SpectateSwamp

Swamp gone with the Dogs

Back from Groat Creek with the Dogs Alley and Tess

the video is about 1 1/2 hour old. A beautiful day here 10+ Celcius that's like 50+ F

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8998953367245816488

A nice change from screen Re-Shoots

derula

@SpectateSwamp said:

Back from Groat Creek with the Dogs Alley and Tess

the video is about 1 1/2 hour old. A beautiful day here 10+ Celcius that's like 50+ F

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8998953367245816488

A nice change from screen Re-Shoots

I'm looking forward to the day on which you realize that your hard disk space is limited.

MasterPlanSoftware

@derula said:

I'm looking forward to the day on which you realize that your hard disk space is limited.

How do you theorize that will happen when he stores it all on DVD and on Google and Youtube?

Dunkelschub

Oh, my, god, I believe you guys have done something amazing, I believe this thread is firm proof against Godwin's Law

MasterPlanSoftware

@Dunkelschub said:

Oh, my, god, I believe you guys have done something amazing, I believe this thread is firm proof against Godwin's Law

Actually Hitler and Nazis have been mentioned at various points.

Dunkelschub

Really? SSDS didn't show anything for it, cept a few crashes ^-^

rc_pinchey

@MasterPlanSoftware said:

@Dunkelschub said:
Oh, my, god, I believe you guys have done something amazing, I believe this thread is firm proof against Godwin's Law
Actually Hitler and Nazis have been mentioned at various points.

Yeah, sorry, my bad. I did it deliberately, if that helps...

DaveK1

@bstorer said:

@SpectateSwamp said:
You don't have to do anything other than have fun with SSDS. It's already good enough.
Other equally factual statements:
You don't have to do anything other than have fun with Ebola. It's already good enough.
You don't have to do anything other than have fun with do-it-yourself trepanation. It's already good enough.
You don't have to do anything other than have fun with a large, spiked rod shoved up your ass. It's already good enough.

Oh bollox. I thought I had made a funny over on the excel thread and now I see my brain was just remembering something I'd read recently. Sorry!

boomzilla

@SpectateSwamp said:

You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

You'll find working with this program very interesting.

OMG! It all starts to make sense now. Of course you can't code SSDS with any regular text editor! You need SSDS to make sense of it. The so-called random feature makes sense now. It was designed to follow the code one noodle at a time.

MarcB

@DaveK said:

Oh bollox. I thought I had made a funny over on the excel thread and now I see my brain was just remembering something I'd read recently. Sorry!

If only there was some kind of ... utility, or an application... that would you umm... what's the word... uh... um... oh yeah, "look"! If only there was some kind of utility that would let you "look" for text... that would be, like, SOOOooOooooo useful!

I think I'll call that "searching", and do it on a PC desktop, so it'll be "Desktop Search".

derula

Oh my gods.

So I was browsing the internet. And guess what I found: a goddamn crazy Pokemon hack called Moemon. Yeah, you might think "trwtf is pokemon", but no, TRWTF is this guy who's trying to present us this hack. He sort of reminds me of SpectateSwamp, only that he has some... pokemon... passion... Look how he knows that he has to get the one on the right to get the fire element. "I've been slaying Pokémon since 1998!" Aaargh... these similarities....

Pidgeot

@derula said:

Look how he knows that he has to get the one on the right to get the fire element.

The game has been around for 10 years now (starting as Red/Blue on GB, then being remade as Fire Red/Leaf Green on GBA), and he can easily have played the beginning just before he started recording (in order to refresh his memory). Remembering that bit really isn't a big deal.

SpectateSwamp

Where to get VB?

Elgate mentioned he got his with word? I bought mine from a friend who talked me into it. If it wasn't for him. This program wouldn't have happened.

The video stats from yesterday show over 100 views. 42 for shootout #1, 20 for shootout #2 and 10 for dogs on creek video from yesterday.

I do have one brave sole who wants to try SSDS. I'd like to see a good template of navigation that runs from a DVD. I just hope this group doesn't scare him off. Being linked to a nutcase like myself will do it.

MasterPlanSoftware

@SpectateSwamp said:

I do have one brave sole who wants to try SSDS.

No you don't.

derula

@SpectateSwamp said:

Elgate mentioned he got his with word? I bought mine from a friend who talked me into it. If it wasn't for him. This program wouldn't have happened.

Er, I don't believe this even makes any sense. You retard?

eidt: BLAME YOUR FRIEND!

elgate

@SpectateSwamp said:

Elgate mentioned he got his with word?

WORK. Not WORD. WORK have a copy.

Moron. Seriously, how do you get "got his [copy of VB5] with Word" from "work has a space license"? @SpectateSwamp said:

I bought mine from a friend who talked me into it. If it wasn't for him. This program wouldn't have happened.

I'm willing to bet he sold you it because he had no use for it. What does that tell you?

@SpectateSwamp said:

The video stats from yesterday show over 100 views. 42 for shootout #1, 20 for shootout #2 and 10 for dogs on creek video from yesterday.

That's because we all look at them and laugh at how much you suck at life.

@SpectateSwamp said:

I do have one brave sole who wants to try SSDS. ... I just hope this group doesn't scare him off. Being linked to a nutcase like myself will do it.

Finally you say something which we can all agree on. How does he/she know about this? You actually TOLD them "hey, try my program, it's being mocked and ridiculed at this website"?

By the way it's SOUL. You RETARD.

@SpectateSwamp said:

I'd like to see a good template of navigation that runs from a DVD.

Everybody all together now... one, two, three: THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD!

In answer to your title question, "Where to get VB?", you can download vb.net 2008 express for free, or buy Visual Studio 2005/2008 (or just VB 2005/8) for a less limited version. Might be able to get VB5 or VB6 on eBay, but face it, the programming language SSDS is written in has been obsolete since about 2002.

I know you won't listen to this, but look, you've said on a lot of video forums you do lots of video to help you get better. Did you ever consider that programming might be the same idea? You should look on eBay (or your library maybe?) for books on Visual Basic 5/6 (should be really cheap, if you can even find them), and read up on the right way to do things. Who knows, if you understood a bit more maybe you'd be able to make "a good template of navigation that runs from a DVD".

MasterPlanSoftware

@elgate said:

"work has a space license"?

You have a space license? Where can I buy one?

elgate

@MasterPlanSoftware said:

@elgate said:
"work has a space license"?

You have a space license? Where can I buy one?

FUCK. Um... got mine off eBay...

MasterPlanSoftware

@elgate said:

@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@elgate said:
"work has a space license"?

You have a space license? Where can I buy one?
FUCK. Um... got mine off eBay...

Sorry. I had to be pedantic due to the context of your post.

elgate

@MasterPlanSoftware said:

Sorry. I had to be pedantic due to the context of your post.

That's fine, though I sincerely hope no company with a copy of VB has a space license.

MasterPlanSoftware

@elgate said:

VB has a space license.

It would certainly explain a lot about SS's coding style wouldn't it?

GalacticCowboy

@SpectateSwamp said:

You don't skim good Spaghetti Code. You follow a thread through. Activate a couple of the display lines and jam it. Use the context search to find where the cmd() elements are used. Another lesson is in store. Teaching you all "Sphagetti Coding 101 - the Lost Art"

You'll find working with this program very interesting.

Mmmmmm... spaghetti with meatballs.... side of garlic toast and some parmesan cheese.... dang, it's lunch time!

bstorer

@elgate said:

@SpectateSwamp said:

I do have one brave sole who wants to try SSDS. ... I just hope this group doesn't scare him off. Being linked to a nutcase like myself will do it.

Finally you say something which we can all agree on. How does he/she know about this? You actually TOLD them "hey, try my program, it's being mocked and ridiculed at this website"?
By the way it's SOUL. You RETARD.

To be fair, he could actually have been talking to a fish.

WWWWolf

@SpectateSwamp said:

The video stats from yesterday show over 100 views. 42 for shootout #1, 20 for shootout #2 and 10 for dogs on creek video from yesterday.

Verily, hear what an old web-wolf has to say: I have crossed the seven nets and, aye, in the days of innocence diminishing, in days when Ugly Frames and Annoying MIDIs still tormented the fellow travellers, I came to the conclusion that there be but three kinds of lies in this wide web of ours: Lies (most web site content), damn lies (scams, phishing and other seedy pages), and Hit Counters.

In short, hit counts don't mean fame. Someone watched your videos - big deal. According to my_videos, Desktop Search Rain got 352 views in 2 weeks and I still don't have a record contract, and I sort of remain sceptical for obvious reasons. You can't tell from the hit counts on what the heck happened: You'd probably say 352 record producers passed by and thought "I'll keep this guy in mind"; I am a bit more realistic and say a few people passed by looking for cheap laughs (and Synfig videos, based on the comments).

derula

@WWWWolf said:

You'd probably say 352 record producers passed by and thought "I'll keep this guy in mind"

No, it were at most 349, I think I watched it at least three times, and I'm not a record producer. Sorry to tell you.

rc_pinchey

@derula said:

@WWWWolf said:
You'd probably say 352 record producers passed by and thought "I'll keep this guy in mind"
No, it were at most 349, I think I watched it at least three times, and I'm not a record producer. Sorry to tell you.

Yes, but you'll most likely be humming it whilst walking past record producers in the street, so I say that still counts.

SpectateSwamp

Questions Answered.

Questions answered. The VB question wasn't for me. I have a copy. I thought that somebody had searched for a copy and could make a worthwhile comment. The Email export doesn't matter to me either. Mine are all up to date. I only do 5 or 10 a week max. So manual is OK. That email export info will be of use for those with lots of email and wanting to use the search. @bstorer said:

try my program, it's being mocked and ridiculed at this website"?

in any showdown your side loses. The other Destkop Search just don't hold a candle to Swamp Search. Why aren't there any other search experts here. Seems like from the video counts there is only the handful of us following this topic. None of you use search to the degree that I do. How easy it is to search source. I've done it. Excel had a 60,000 element limit during telco conversions. Used Swamp search to merge 16 or 18 of those extracts. Then searched that toll info. For these kinds of record counts Swamp search is blazing fast. I have heard little genuine discussion from anybody that depends and uses GDS, YDS, MDS or any of the other DS to the degree that I do this one. Learn this program and forget everything else. The masses can understand that.