Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Geez having to change documents. I hope they were not sent out incorrectly. What you are talking about is more of a business application than the masses. But SSDS can help there. Now if you were bright or had a bright friend that could write a simple program that would get 1 line of text from "word" and write it out to a plain text file. then on the next line write the xxx.(then path to the file here) then write another line then 'xxx.(path to file) again and again until that file is done then onto the next word file. It won't take long and when you search for keywords. the file path will be in the clipboard. And you can take your Swamp search with you anywhere without interfering with somebody elses computer operations. No indexer firing up. Just the greatest GREPPLER around.
Does it physically hurt to be that stupid Spectate?
Edit: W00t! Reply #1700!
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@GettinSadda said:
Say there is 1000 characters per file that makes 75,000,000 records a complete search in 4 seconds. and with some real context showing up. Not a dumb little message pointing to some file. A merge of that size shouldn't take more than 30 seconds. I have been testing Swamp search with 10 times that much data. Source files should search real well. Try Swamp search you'll like it SaddaSwampYikes!
I just thought I would check, out of interest, and I have ~75,000 files in my current working directories!
Most of these are source files, or auto-generated files linked to the source files.
There are quite a lot because I keep multiple versions of source trees in different permutaions for different customers etc.
Maybe it would make more sense to fold it all into a massive CVS system (but then searching would be a pain).
How would SSDS work for this?
I know how GDS works - great! And I didn't have to merge all those files!
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Swamp Search for Know-Nuttins
@CodeSimian said:
Now you are getting it CodeSwamp. Free of computer worries. Because you don't need to know Nuttin. My expression for now is a satisfied Grin.Regular expressions? Search algorithms?
All the common man needs is a Grade 9 education, a camcorder, 8 or 20 gigantic text files, and a copy of SSDS. Everything else is just Gee Haw boondoggle.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@CodeSimian said:
Now you are getting it CodeSwamp. Free of computer worries. Because you don't need to know Nuttin. My expression for now is a satisfied Grin.Regular expressions? Search algorithms?
All the common man needs is a Grade 9 education, a camcorder, 8 or 20 gigantic text files, and a copy of SSDS. Everything else is just Gee Haw boondoggle.
Right the common user shouldn't need to know anything complex. They trust the software engineers that develop their programs for that. That is why your SSDS will never be used by those common people. Because no one with any intelligence had a hand in creating it.
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@wooter said:
I can guarantee that you didn't see anything in .03 seconds. The internet isn't nearly as fast as my laptop. you maybe found something in 2 or 3 seconds a far cry from .03 nothing happens in .03 on the internet. Or have you no grasp of time. I like the way you used the spray bomb to cover stuff up.Swampy,
How can you say this are not results with context?
Additional: can you demo me how you would find a word with SSDS, and edit this word in the original file after you found it with SSDS?
I am catching up on these posts and have explained how I would deal with word files. 1 test line from the file. 1 line containing the path. then another line pair with the 2nd line then on and on till the end of the file. Then the next file. This will happen very fast. Very fast. When a match is found. The resultant path is put into the clipboard. try it WooterSwamp
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@CodeSimian said:
Now you are getting it CodeSwamp. Free of computer worries. Because you don't need to know Nuttin. My expression for now is a satisfied Grin.Regular expressions? Search algorithms?
All the common man needs is a Grade 9 education, a camcorder, 8 or 20 gigantic text files, and a copy of SSDS. Everything else is just Gee Haw boondoggle.
Yeah, knowing Nuttin is working out real well for you.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=sarcasm
How did that '93 election campaign go again? If I recall the video you posted, you spent some time attacking your opponents, rambling incoherently about completely unrelated topics ("I've been in data processing data data processing for 22 years"), and COMPLETELY FAILING TO GIVE ANYONE A GOOD REASON TO VOTE FOR YOU.
Go ahead, trash every other search tool as much as you want. Even, if by some freakish coincidence, you come up with some valid criticism, YOU STILL HAVEN'T GIVEN ANYONE A GOOD REASON TO USE SSDS.
I hope you're enjoying all the attention. Just like in '93, we ain't laughing with you, we're laughing at you.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I can guarantee that you didn't see anything in .03 seconds. The internet isn't nearly as fast as my laptop. you maybe found something in 2 or 3 seconds a far cry from .03 nothing happens in .03 on the internet. Or have you no grasp of time. I like the way you used the spray bomb to cover stuff up.
That is just you and your retarded connection then. For the rest of us we see things happen almost instantly on the web.
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Files don't change and neither do people
@MarcB said:
Start realizing that most people don't ONLY append to files. They go into the guts of multiple files and make changes. They add stuff, they remove stuff, they move stuff around. That's not possible with your "everything has to be a monolithic big file" approach.
In a non business environment records don't change at all. I don't change my inmail or outmail. And seldom change my notes, just append / add to them. There are many business records that are not supposed to be changed. It's not a big deal to do a remerge if you ever get around to trying it out. You might find that you do find stuff.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
You might find that you do find stuff.
Everyone here finds everything they need without all that work.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@MarcB said:
Start realizing that most people don't ONLY append to files. They go into the guts of multiple files and make changes. They add stuff, they remove stuff, they move stuff around. That's not possible with your "everything has to be a monolithic big file" approach.
In a non business environment records don't change at all. I don't change my inmail or outmail. And seldom change my notes, just append / add to them. There are many business records that are not supposed to be changed. It's not a big deal to do a remerge if you ever get around to trying it out. You might find that you do find stuff.But NOBODY WANTS TO DO RE-MERGES. Nobody wants to do merges in the first place.
Nobody cares "how easy it is". It would sure be "easy" for me to give myself a do-it-yourself lobotomy with a rusty ice-pick. Yet, for some reason, I don't feel like doing it. Maybe after this thread hits 2000 posts....
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SSDS won't run - It turns to fight.
@CodeSimian said:
Yet Copernic has users and you have none.
Got 700 users. And possibly many many more.
@CodeSimian said:
You would have better luck running for Prime Minister as a member of the Natural Law Party
That was the only promise I made to the People of YellowHead. That I would never Run again. Next time I would turn and fight. I never ran before 1993 for anything and never will.I have to admit Copernic is my Fav so far. But way way behind Swamp search though.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Got 700 users. And possibly many many more.
No you don't. You don't even have 1.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I have to admit Copernic is my Fav so far. But way way behind Swamp search though.
Yes, it is behind SSDS if you measure it in eye burning stupidity.
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SSDS and Snoops - What fun
@CodeSimian said:
Spectate, why would Jon care about searching your inmail.txt? Did it ever occur to you that people want to search their own files (not your files!) and that not everyone "organizes" their files the same way you do?
The CIA the FBI here in Canada CISIS. It is like leaving your diary laying about. People do want to read it.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Got 700 users. And possibly many many more.
Prove it. If you can find even one person who is not friend or family to give us a video testimonial praising the virtues of SSDS, I will be impressed.
Get them to demonstrate how they use SSDS, and how it simplifies their daily computing tasks.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
The CIA the FBI here in Canada CISIS. It is like leaving your diary laying about. People do want to read it.
And yet, you advocate no security.... Interesting.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@CodeSimian said:
Spectate, why would Jon care about searching your inmail.txt? Did it ever occur to you that people want to search their own files (not your files!) and that not everyone "organizes" their files the same way you do?
The CIA the FBI here in Canada CISIS. It is like leaving your diary laying about. People do want to read it.
You jackass, you are either the stupidest man alive or you are deliberately misinterpreting people just to piss them off. Or a combination of the 2.
In his review, Jon said your application doesn't do search. In your reply, you gave him instructions on searching your mail, as if he keeps all his mail in 1 text file called "inmail.txt" just like you. My point was that your instructions are retarded. Your whole mindset is retarded - you are supposed to give people an app which does what THEY want, not what YOU want.
This has nothing to do with the FBI, CIA, CSIS or any other kind of espionage.
The Internet does NOT revolve around you.
I hope you're still having fun winding everyone up. You have utterly destroyed your online "reputation", which is unfortunate, since you published your real name and address. Your family and friends must be proud to be associated with a grown man who:
- Posts pictures of dead animals to nature appreciation forums
- Tells video editing forums that "editing video" is stupid
- Claims to have the world's greatest search tool and JUST WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT IT
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@CodeSimian said:
who is not friend or family
Well that doesn't narrow it down at all... Jeez. You might as well say "who is not a unicorn".
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Swamp searches Libraries (Plural)
@DigitalXeron said:
Would you search through an entire library of books when there is a catalogue telling you where in the library to go to find your book? Or would you consult the catalogue first, THEN go find your book?
If I was Swamp Search I would. 20 books a second. By tomorrow I'd need another library to search.
Oh Yeah I did do some library support Ulisys software. King County in Washington state and 18 or 19 other library systems. The original staff of 5 or 6 quit. Me and my assistant Hermanto I. kept your libraries going.
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@CodeSimian said:
You have utterly destroyed your online "reputation", which is unfortunate, since you published your real name and address. Your family and friends must be proud.
Not to mention email addresses of innocent people in his town who are now being unmercifully spammed by every spam bot known to man.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
The original staff of 5 or 6 quit.
That doesn't surprise me. If you became employed where I worked, I would quit too.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
If I was Swamp Search I would. 20 books a second.
Obviously we have three possible issues here:- SS has a different definition of the word "seconds"
- SS has a different definition of the word "books"
- SS is not sane
Please refer to all previous postings by subject and markdown if your results differ from 3.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@DigitalXeron said:
Would you search through an entire library of books when there is a catalogue telling you where in the library to go to find your book? Or would you consult the catalogue first, THEN go find your book?
If I was Swamp Search I would. 20 books a second. By tomorrow I'd need another library to search.
Oh Yeah I did do some library support Ulisys software. King County in Washington state and 18 or 19 other library systems. The original staff of 5 or 6 quit. Me and my assistant Hermanto I. kept your libraries going.
So, let's see - if I wanted to find a book on say, sparrows, I guess it makes more sense for me to read EVERY PAGE OF EVERY BOOK instead of using the library's index.
That DIY lobotomy is looking more attractive by the post....
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Swamp Search Plays TEXT
@spenk said:
Out of interest - what the fuck does 'internet reload' mean
My telus software. A few settings. then I load my favorites from a favorites.txt file. @spenk said:
What does searching have to do with re-installing an OS?
After a backup and reload of the OS the non computer user is free to do Video. Ignoring all the other computer information that they just don't need to know. Like I do. Sorry MPS for not listening about the mpg video playback problems.@spenk said:
An indexer isn't meant to play videos either you moron
But Swamp search is meant to play a lot more than video. SSDS plays text even.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@DigitalXeron said:
Would you search through an entire library of books when there is a catalogue telling you where in the library to go to find your book? Or would you consult the catalogue first, THEN go find your book?
If I was Swamp Search I would. 20 books a second. By tomorrow I'd need another library to search.
Oh Yeah I did do some library support Ulisys software. King County in Washington state and 18 or 19 other library systems. The original staff of 5 or 6 quit. Me and my assistant Hermanto I. kept your libraries going.
I'm sure this question is a waste of time, but...why don't any libraries use SSDS to search for books?
I mean, SSDS is clearly superior to any form of index-based search, right?
WHY DOESN'T ANYONE ELSE USE SSDS?
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Well I would liek to try it, but everytime I install an app cut in VB I get the giggles, I really do.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
My telus software. A few settings. then I load my favorites from a favorites.txt file. @spenk said:
What does searching have to do with re-installing an OS?
After a backup and reload of the OS the non computer user is free to do Video. Ignoring all the other computer information that they just don't need to know. Like I doYou realize that every other OS has the same functionality you are pimping here right out of the gate when you first intall right? So SSDS is actually just extra crap they don't need that they have to reinstall.
...It is like talking to a wall.
@SpectateSwamp said:
@spenk said:
An indexer isn't meant to play videos either you moron
But Swamp search is meant to play a lot more than video. SSDS plays text even.a) You can't 'play' text.
b) No one would ever find what you do useful.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
My telus software. A few settings. then I load my favorites from a favorites.txt file.
Please explain how you reload your (Internet Explorer?) favorites.
Most normal people just export their Internet favourites to a single HTML file (which is STRUCTURED text) when they want to back them up. When they are ready restore their favourites, they just do an import.
No manual copy-and-paste required.
I'm sure your way is much better, though.
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Hands Free Cut and Paste with SSDS
@spenk said:
If you mean can a text editor copy text to the clipboard then yes they can. By extract file do you mean save to a file? If so this is a fairly basic thing for a text edit (like notepad).
Your method requires someone to use the mouse. You would sink in the Swamp trying to keep up with SSDS@spenk said:
rand randa norand noranda ww .tt y how the fuck can you claim they are easy to understand? Even you have got them wrong in your forum posts.
I know that needs to be followed up with a video. MPS request from earlier. Tomorrow maybe. If I catch up on these questions.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Your method requires someone to use the mouse.
Nope.
Windows key + R --> notepad --> enter --> ctrl + O --> filename --> Enter --> Edit/copy whatever --> Ctrl + S --> filename --> enter.
Much quicker than SSDS. Of course, notepad gives you the option to use the mouse OR the keyboard. SSDS MAKES you use the keyboard. That is just stupid.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I know that needs to be followed up with a video. MPS request from earlier. Tomorrow maybe. If I catch up on these questions.
I never requested a video. I already made the video. Your program failed with your instructions. Sorry you lose.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@spenk said:
If you mean can a text editor copy text to the clipboard then yes they can. By extract file do you mean save to a file? If so this is a fairly basic thing for a text edit (like notepad).
Your method requires someone to use the mouse. You would sink in the Swamp trying to keep up with SSDSYou don't need a freaking mouse to use Notepad, Notepad++, or 99% of other text editors which support search. Those programs are written for power users who are accustomed to using keyboard shortcuts.
Note the distinction between power users and idiots who try to re-invent the wheel, perhaps feeling that a sleek, aerodynamic triangle would work a lot better than a circular shape.
I'm sure if you ran the library in Whitecourt, Alberta, it would carry "8 or 20" books of about 100,000 pages each.
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Copernic's Slowness Explained
@emurphy said:
Copernic has to read the file directly from disk (slow).
Copernic is slow because it tries to read the whole file into memory. Swamp search just scans for matches and keeps a few context lines, if in "c" search mode not "s" matching lines only mode. Plowing along at 20Mb per second. Do the math. You'll know I'm not pulling these numbers out of thin air.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
Much quicker than SSDS. Of course, notepad gives you the option to use the mouse OR the keyboard. SSDS MAKES you use the keyboard. That is just stupid.
According to Spectate, if software MAKES you do something (i.e. merge all your data into 8 or 20 plain text files), it is a FEATURE.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Plowing along at 20Mb per second. Do the math. You'll know I'm not pulling these numbers out of thin air.
But what if I don't have a Grade 9 math education? Will my Grade 7 math be enough to crunch the numbers?
Damn, I wish I hadn't dropped out of elementary school to work in the exciting "data processing data data processing" field.
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Option #1 Swamp Search
@spenk said:
just because you choose to only have a few files doesn't mean everyone else has the same peculiar working practices.
No. your are right. But now it's an option. And open source code as well. Swamp search is now just spreading its wings. Other developers can take over.
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@CodeSimian said:
According to Spectate, if software MAKES you do something (i.e. merge all your data into 8 or 20 plain text files), it is a FEATURE.
That must be why games that play the player (like DDR and GH) are so popular.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@spenk said:
just because you choose to only have a few files doesn't mean everyone else has the same peculiar working practices.
No. your are right. But now it's an option. And open source code as well. Swamp search is now just spreading its wings. Other developers can take over.
BUT NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE OVER SSDS YOU DELUSIONAL FREAK
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Copernic is slow because it tries to read the whole file into memory.
So does SSDS, moron.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Swamp search just scans for matches and keeps a few context lines, if in "c" search mode not "s" matching lines only mode.
It can only 'scan' once the whole file is in memory.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Plowing along at 20Mb per second. Do the math. You'll know I'm not pulling these numbers out of thin air.
You most certainly are. Otherwise YOU would do the math and prove it to everyone.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@spenk said:
just because you choose to only have a few files doesn't mean everyone else has the same peculiar working practices.
No. your are right. But now it's an option.
It has always been an option. However, most sane people did not choose that option. NOBODY NEEDS SSDS, EVEN IF THEY WANT TO KEEP ALL THEIR DATA IN 1, 8 or 20 PLAIN TEXT FILES.
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DOS Find is a Greppler
@emurphy said:
That is a lot like the vax search use the /win=7 to get 3 lines before and after the match line. Grepplers of any sort are OK with me.Try the following at a DOS prompt:
FIND "778" C:\SEARCH\NOTES.TXT > C:\SEARCH\778.TXT
Use FIND /I if you want to ignore the difference between upper/lowercase.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@emurphy said:
That is a lot like the vax search use the /win=7 to get 3 lines before and after the match line. Grepplers of any sort are OK with me.Try the following at a DOS prompt:
FIND "778" C:\SEARCH\NOTES.TXT > C:\SEARCH\778.TXT
Use FIND /I if you want to ignore the difference between upper/lowercase.
The difference is that sane people actually use grep, find and other non-indexed search tools (if they are power users, for example).
I'm still waiting for you to prove that SSDS has users.
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The ClueLessNess virus has struck HERE
@CodeSimian said:
Then why aren't the masses using your software? What are you doing here? According to you, everyone here is a "nerd" or a "geek". Why aren't you standing on a street corner, peddling SSDS to the masses?
This is the BIG bastion of resistance to search. If I can even get a handful of Swampies to work and care for the search. Then I'm happy. Also it forces me to better explain and demo various aspects with video. Even with all the HURTFUL comments here. I am making progress with Swamp Search. And quite pleased with that. Thank you all Con Con and the odd Pro out there. So. don't be worry. I haven't given up on you.
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@CodeSimian said:
The difference is that sane people actually use grep, find and other non-indexed search tools (if they are power users, for example).
I'm still waiting for you to prove that SSDS has users.
Anybody with any brains that wanted to do what SS claims that SSDS can do, would have just wrapped find in a GUI. He could have done it in maybe 20-30 lines of code with all the features.
Instead he rolled his own gigantic piece of shit.
If he had just wrapped find, there might have even been some users that liked SSDS.
What a retard.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@CodeSimian said:
Then why aren't the masses using your software? What are you doing here? According to you, everyone here is a "nerd" or a "geek". Why aren't you standing on a street corner, peddling SSDS to the masses?
This is the BIG bastion of resistance to search. If I can even get a handful of Swampies to work and care for the search. Then I'm happy. Also it forces me to better explain and demo various aspects with video. Even with all the HURTFUL comments here. I am making progress with Swamp Search. And quite pleased with that. Thank you all Con Con and the odd Pro out there. So. don't be worry. I haven't given up on you.
You are nuts if you think this forum represents the general public. This is a SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT forum. "Nerds" and "geeks" like you said.
Even if you could somehow convince everyone here that SSDS is God's gift to desktop search, there would be NOTHING we can do to help you.
Do you even understand why people are posting hurtful comments about you? It is the same reason people laughed at you during your little '93 speech.
You are ANNOYING.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I am making progress with Swamp Search.
No you aren't. You are begging other people to make progress with it. And you haven't found one person to use it, and not one to work on it.
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@emurphy said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
@rc_pinchey said:
I'm in no hurry here am I. First I'd merge your 8 or 10 main files.@SpectateSwamp said:
I have done no merging of my main 8 or 10 files.
One question. Let's say I install SSDS, and I merge my data into 8 or 10 main files. I put these files in some directory somewhere.
Then, you have to use my PC. You're allowed to use SSDS, of course. You have to find an email address you know I've got.
HOW DO YOU FIND MY FILES???
No, no, no! You have already failed!
Let me state explicitly what RC clearly (to everyone except you) implied:
- RC puts the 8 or 10 main files in some directory somewhere.
- RC does not tell you which directory they are in.
- You must use SSDS to figure out which directory they are in.
How do you do that part?
Come on Swamp, if you can't find my files, you can't use SSDS...
You're going to have to explain this one.
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No Memory Lapse with Swamp Search
@emurphy said:
Second, let's assume for the moment that you have somehow figured out which directory they are in. How do you merge the files
and assuming I know nothing. I just merge every file I could find on c:\ with the 'merge' to do .txt .htm .frm .cls and any program language source (all plain text) SSDS allows you to have a little memory lapse and still find stuff. Believe me.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@wooter said:
I can guarantee that you didn't see anything in .03 seconds. The internet isn't nearly as fast as my laptop. you maybe found something in 2 or 3 seconds a far cry from .03 nothing happens in .03 on the internet.Swampy,
How can you say this are not results with context?
Additional: can you demo me how you would find a word with SSDS, and edit this word in the original file after you found it with SSDS?
Ah, yes... that internet connection to 127.0.0.1 probably took FOREVER to establish...
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@emurphy said:
Second, let's assume for the moment that you have somehow figured out which directory they are in. How do you merge the files
and assuming I know nothing. I just merge every file I could find on c:\ with the 'merge' to do .txt .htm .frm .cls and any program language source (all plain text) SSDS allows you to have a little memory lapse and still find stuff. Believe me.
Why not add .dll, .exe, and .cab while you're at it. You never know when you'll need to find just the right function hook for your next program.
