Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    It may not be the best at everything. But it does do EVERYTHING
     

    Does it perform backups? Does it do source code control? Does it do version control? does it do file comparison? Does it search the file system for files?

    Answer no to any of those and you can't claim to do everything.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @rc_pinchey said:

    Also, a quick question- you've mentioned a lot of times about reinstalling Wondows XP- how often do you do that? Why?

    When ever my computer runs bad. I reload. When my modem ain't working I reload. When my computer seems slow. I reload. When I use just this one program. There isn't much for me to know. Other than to load my internet stuff and now my Cam Studio app.

    Er... WTF? I've never reinstalled XP on my home machine- except after a hard disk crash, which was 3 years ago. You really, really, really shouldn't EVER have to renistall XP. Ever.

     

    Did you not think that, perhaps, your PC is "running bad" and "seems slow" because you're completely fucking it up by running such a godawful piece of shite on it all the time? Just a thought.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    When ever my computer runs bad. I reload. When my modem ain't working I reload. When my computer seems slow. I reload. When I use just this one program. There isn't much for me to know. Other than to load my internet stuff and now my Cam Studio app.
     

    Brilliant!



  • SSDS is so Fast - It will make you Laugh

    @spenk said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    It may not be the best at everything. But it does do EVERYTHING
     

    Does it perform backups? Does it do source code control? Does it do version control? does it do file comparison? Does it search the file system for files?

    Answer no to any of those and you can't claim to do everything.

    Never had the need for the above. My backup is a drag and drop of my c:\search\ folder to my external drive. I do my video backups when they get to be a DVD or 2. Source code control and version control. Isn't something the masses or I need. but I'm sure it could be added. File comparisons were started and not finished. With this search it is just searching and replacing a line at a time with blanks (Both Ways) the resultant data in both files is added or deleted data. A differences is a very important app. It could search the file system for files. Very similar to the merge option. But switching to search instead of merge. CheesieSwamp or somebody else may add that option.

    I'll show you what your pet app can't do. Verified by SSDS


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @rc_pinchey said:

    Did you not think that, perhaps, your PC is "running bad" and "seems slow" because you're completely fucking it up by running such a godawful piece of shite on it all the time? Just a thought.

     

    You mean IE, of course.  Go troll about windows somewhere else.  We're making fun of SSDS around here... 



  • @boomzilla said:

    You mean IE, of course.  Go troll about windows somewhere else.  We're making fun of SSDS around here... 

     

    Troll.


  • SSDS and Passwords - NEXT

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Brilliant!

    Are you OK?


  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Source code control and version control. Isn't something the masses or I need. but I'm sure it could be added.

    If you are so serious about this "open source" thing, then you need revision control. It's not a matter of you not "needing" it; it's a matter of what everyone expects you to do. It's more or less not negotiable - very very very very very few open source projects don't use one or other form of revision control. People just don't email patches to each other anymore, that's so 1990s. Plus, you could get rid of those ridiculous datestamp comments in the source code: After that, it'd be up to the revision control to know when the line in question was written or by whom. (In Subversion, for example, the command is appropriately called "svn blame".)

    As for the masses not needing revision control, I've lately become a huge supporter of revision control for even non-code projects. It makes working with Stuff safer and more convenient, no matter what you're doing. Thanks to the magic of darcs I'm maintaining a working copy of my writings in three different computers (okay, technically two computers and an USB drive =). I can write on any of the machines and just sync all files in all locations independently. Complete histories of the files are maintained. Accidentally hosed a file? Just revert it. It's also distributed: I can nuke everything in one location, whoops, all I need to do is to copy all files from one other location to the nuked site. (And it also only stores changes and even those in compressed format, so it doesn't waste too much disk space either.)

    Hell, Apple "invented" desktop search, Microsoft copied it. Apple invented mass-market sort-of-kind-of revision control/backup scheme and called it Time Machine, Microsoft made Shadow Copy in Vista. Please, corner this market too! (hint, hint)



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    to store your email address I'd do the following 2 lines

    photo rc_pinchey Reginal Charles Pinchey email (use something different for password) rc_pinchey@telusplanet.net

    xxx.http:rc_pinchey@telusplanet.net

     

     

    No one wants to learn this cryptic syntax, either.  All your yapping about application lock-in is completely negated by any application with a built-in export.  For instance, in Thunderbird (which you were going to check out - have you done so yet?), the procedure is as simple as this:

     

    1. Click the "Address Book" button (*)
    2. From the Address Book sub-window, select Tools menu -> Export
    3. Select a name, location, and format (**)
    4. Click the "Save" button

    (*) Or Tools menu -> Address Book, if you prefer

    (**) Comma Separated (CSV) and Tab Delimited are both highly usable for both humans and many programs (notably spreadsheet software).  However, knowing you, you will want LDIF.

     

    Here is a walkthrough of the process. Or, if you prefer Mac OS X, here is one from a slightly different version.

     

    I think you and this guy should get together some time.  He's in New Zealand, but that's a minor detail.  Or maybe this guy, speaking of video WTFs.

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    I will have 2 files. one just under the google limit and the other just over the limit. Set it to index just that folder and then do a search for the numeric key I place at the end of the file.

     

    This is the converse of "SSDS is horrible for everyone's habits except yours", namely "GDS is wonderful for everyone's habits except yours".  Yes, GDS only indexes about the first 10,000 words of each document - but for most people, that's just fine.  (I have a copy of a specification document for a $300,000 project, and even that appears to fit within this limit.)  For most people, if a document was that big, and only contained their search term that far down, then it probably isn't that important to them anyway (and if it is, they can use the brute-force search function that comes with Windows).

     

    Merging files gives it problems?  Then stop merging files!  In other news, if you drive rusty nails through your tongue, then peanut butter may taste bad to you.  (No offense to body mod aficionados; y'all use clean equipment.)

     

    Files already merged?  Then unmerge them!  You've already got a program that parses them; just modify it to create a series of separate output files!  Get in there, change the source code, jam it!  Jam it!

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Never had the need for the above. My backup is a drag and drop of my c:\search\ folder to my external drive. I do my video backups when they get to be a DVD or 2. Source code control and version control. Isn't something the masses or I need. but I'm sure it could be added. File comparisons were started and not finished. With this search it is just searching and replacing a line at a time with blanks (Both Ways) the resultant data in both files is added or deleted data. A differences is a very important app. It could search the file system for files. Very similar to the merge option. But switching to search instead of merge. CheesieSwamp or somebody else may add that option.

    You claim SSDS can do everything then admit it can't.

    • Started and not finished means it can't do it.
    • I'm sure it could be added means it can't do it.
    • It could search the system for files means it can't do that either (which for a search application really  is the point).

    Claiming it can do everything and then admiting it can't smacks of failure...

    Any self respecting developer should be using some form of SCC / Version control - not even open to debate.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I'll show you what your pet app can't do. Verified by SSDS

    This is a pointless statement - I do not have a pet app I claim can do everything, I use different tools for different tasks and pick the tool based on how well it performs.



  • Security

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Just to be mean I'll do a video of my internet "Search for:" Search string retrieval instead of 'passwords' I could do a password demo but would have to use the 'noshow' option for the first 5 or 6 that would show in the file. Security you know.
    Waitaminit .... didn't you earlier state that Security is sharing information with everybody? Come on, show us ... "Security you know."



  •  @Balthazaar said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Just to be mean I'll do a video of my internet "Search for:" Search string retrieval instead of 'passwords' I could do a password demo but would have to use the 'noshow' option for the first 5 or 6 that would show in the file. Security you know.
    Waitaminit .... didn't you earlier state that Security is sharing information with everybody? Come on, show us ... "Security you know."

    Things mean whatever he wants

    • Security == Sharing - when he says so
    • Security != Sharing - when he says so
    • Desktop Search == Searching in a single file
    • Desktop Search == Random
    • Desktop Search == Fun
    • Large files == no use
    • Large files == failure on other search tools
    • Source Code == single file
    • SCC / VCS == unwanted
    • Video == documentation
    the list goes on

     



  • @derula said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    With SSDS your data is all yours.

    Can please someone check for how often he's been repeating this phrase? Or equivalent phrases? I'm really curious.

    My favorite (I've quoted it twice now) is 

    [quote user="SpectateSwamp"]GF on your jpgs or mpgs or mp3 stuff Now they can't touch you. You are in control of your DATA.[/quote]



  • ShowDown SSDS VS the Rest.


     

    Latest video demoing my password. I changed it. So no maniac can get in and mis represent me.

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6441291974425114714


    We might have to take the whole works of you at the daily wtf. You know so much already. That week of prep at Swamp Shack would be all fun.  (We need a Promoter to make it a real show) Otherwise I'll just keep showing off SSDS like in today's Vid

    Everybody keeps crying and crying for SSDS to search larger to very large files. OK we'll search the large files that break Google first. This Big Google Take-Down will make them look - not so good.  How fast will these files search when they are on chips and not hard drives. Way way way beyond 20,000,000cps I bet.

    Options. I'd like to see in the merge. Is the ability to append lines 1 and 2 - 3 and 4 ... then be able to do 1 and 2 and 3 - 4 and 5 - etc The program matches on items on a given line. What if they are just at the end of a line and overlaps. Text files are small and this wouldn't take much.

    Somebody do a DOUBLE Random MP3 video. A dog or cat always works good in video.

    Things that slow search down. Hi-lite this element (another search string) Looking for merge breaks so the originating file name can be displayed in the form border. Shifting to upper case when not searching numerics. Keeping the context lines incase there is a match adding up the total characters read. and BAD BAD coding habits. This puppy can be tweaked here and there.

    Desktop Search frees you to jam your computer full of data.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Is the ability to append lines 1 and 2 - 3 and 4 ... then be able to do 1 and 2 and 3 - 4 and 5 - etc The program matches on items on a given line.

     

    That's not even a thought.  You are insane.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Latest video demoing my password. I changed it. So no maniac can get in and mis represent me.

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6441291974425114714

     

    How in the world is this better than any of the browsers I have which store my password for sites that I tell them to?

    I cannot imagine storing all my passwords in plaintext and using a seperate application. Now I see why you spent so long developing this piece of crap. Everything you do takes about 10 times longer than when we do it!



  • Fractions mean nothing.

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Everything you do takes about 10 times longer than when we do it!

     Ten times 1/100 of a second is 1/10 second. And my data is mine mine mine. Simple available and DataBase free. Life is wonderful.

    The only real passwords I worry about is the ones where I store My Video. It takes too long to upload them to have some NUT remove them.

    Anything else about computing. Who of us in the masses care. This is all we need to know. (except for Cam Studio) If you are not prepared to wipe your computer clean then you ain't prepared.

    Snap to it with some video will you. Or are you still in the film era.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Everything you do takes about 10 times longer than when we do it!

     Ten times 1/100 of a second is 1/10 second.

     

    Yes, but it took you 2 minutes and 17 seconds to log out and then log in. We just saw the video proof!

    My browser fills in my password automatically- I don't even have to type my full name, I just click in the box, and press "r" then "down" then "enter" and I'm done. 

     

    And you still haven't explained why you reinstall XP all the time. 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @rc_pinchey said:

    I still don't understand how you use it for passwords. Could you make a video demo please?

    Just to be mean I'll do a video of my internet "Search for:" Search string retrieval instead of 'passwords' I could do a password demo but would have to use the 'noshow' option for the first 5 or 6 that would show in the file. Security you know.


    Wait a minute Spectate, in an earlier post you said that security was the 'Sharing' of information throughout the internet to ensure you always had a copy.  Now you are saying that you don't want to show us your password demo because of Security?  This makes no sense.  Your security rules would require you to share this information with all of us to guarantee you always had a copy.  Don't you think?

     Dr. Phil



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    I don't even have to enter any part of their name. This list is a group of 7. I have a news release one that has 30 or so. I just mindlessly hit enter - alt/tab - paste - alt/tab - enter - Alt/tab - paste ----  Checking for names visually. Now that is slow

    You do realize that every mail client supports creating mailing lists? I could create a news release list with 30 names on it ONCE, type "News Rel" into the To: field, and have it use the list. Hell, you could put a comma separated list of addresses into a text file and copy/paste the entire file into the To: field faster than with SSDS.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

     Ten times 1/100 of a second is 1/10 second. And my data is mine mine mine. Simple available and DataBase free. Life is wonderful.
     

    Wow, you can do basic math. But let's try some real numbers, and not your "typing one handed" wet-dream fantasy numbers: 

    1. 00:22 -> 00:49  = 27 seconds- Hit 'sign in' link and type in username. Ok, you're typing one handed (ACK) because you have to swing the camera around wildly. Let's pretend it would normally take you 5 seconds for this.
    2. 00:49 - 01:13 = 24 seconds - Minimize browser, search for TDWTF password in SSDS.
    3. 01:13 - 01:25 = 12 seconds. Copy password, paste into TDWTF password box. 

    So we're at 27 + 24 + 12 = 63 seconds to log yourself into the site. (Or 5 + 24 + 12 = 41 seconds best case, if we don't count one-handed typing times)

    By comparison, here's how long it takes me

    1. Hit login link (3 seconds: find mouse, click login link)
    2. Hit enter (0.1 seconds, Firefox has filled in my username/password automatically)

    So... 3.1 seconds, versus your 63. That's a bit over TWENTY times FASTER than your method.

    And on top of that, Firefox stores all my login information in encrypted format, so that if anyone did manage to steal my computer, they'd get nothing other than digital garbage. If someone gets your computer, they'll get all your passwords, instantly.

    So please, please please quit spewing your crap about how SSDS is faster and better. Your video utterly and completely proves just how bad and slow and useless it is. 

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    If you are not prepared to wipe your computer clean then you ain't prepared.

    So, you're saying you're completely prepared, because you've got SSDS. Does that mean you're 100% prepared to burn down the SwampShack? After all, you're totally prepared, so go ahead... burn down the shack. We'll keep a timer going here to see how long it takes you get back online. Since you're totally prepared, it most likely will be however long it takes you to walk to your backup computer and log in.

    Go ahead... we're waiting. Matches are in the junk drawer by the fridge. Get going... I'm sure the swampies will have marshmallows ready for roasting. 



  • Simply Spectacular

    I finally finished reading all 27 pages of this thread. There were so many times I had to really make an effort to not bust out laughing. The 'shopped images are great and many of the replies are totally awe-inspiring. This epic soap thread is beyond anything I've ever seen before. I fully intend on writing a blog entry about it. In the mean time, I dugg it.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Latest video demoing my password. I changed it. So no maniac can get in and mis represent me.

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6441291974425114714

    That is madness plain and simple - I never realised a tool to help me remember a password could slow things down so much... 

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Everybody keeps crying and crying for SSDS to search larger to very large files. OK we'll search the large files that break Google first. This Big Google Take-Down will make them look - not so good.  How fast will these files search when they are on chips and not hard drives. Way way way beyond 20,000,000cps I bet.

    No they don't - only you keep mentioning size as a feature, most of us would like to search for a file on the file system not search a single large file. You are a moron for failing to understand this.

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    Options. I'd like to see in the merge. Is the ability to append lines 1 and 2 - 3 and 4 ... then be able to do 1 and 2 and 3 - 4 and 5 - etc The program matches on items on a given line. What if they are just at the end of a line and overlaps. Text files are small and this wouldn't take much.

    more madness I'm afraid - I'm not sure I even understand this enough to criticise it... 

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    Somebody do a DOUBLE Random MP3 video. A dog or cat always works good in video.

    Nobody would ever want this, why play two random mp3s at once?

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    Desktop Search frees you to jam your computer full of data.

     

    SSDS requires me to fill my computer with data in a format you want, that is all I can say without resorting to swearing and abuse.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

     Ten times 1/100 of a second is 1/10 second. And my data is mine mine mine. Simple available and DataBase free. Life is wonderful.
     

    But your video didn't take a 1/100 of a second, a 10th of a second, 10 or even 100 seconds it took approx. 137 seconds in your video, that is considerably longer than I would find acceptable behaviour for day to day e-mail usage. As everyone else here says - I rarely type more than 2 or 3 letters of my common contacts and use distribution lists when needing to contact groups of people etc.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Anything else about computing. Who of us in the masses care. This is all we need to know. (except for Cam Studio) If you are not prepared to wipe your computer clean then you ain't prepared.

    Again you are just spouting nonsense, the masses want computing to be easy, SSDS is a convoluted pile of shit and requires far more effort (and the disturbing thought of visiting you) to use. My data is backed up and in fact synced between my laptop and my home pc so I have a pretty good recovery system in place that has not failed me yet.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Snap to it with some video will you. Or are you still in the film era.

    Video is an excellent medium for capturing certain things, it is not the be all and end all though. Photos, text, pdfs, mp3 plus any other number of formats all serve a valid purpose.

     

     



  • @spenk said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    Options. I'd like to see in the merge. Is the ability to append lines 1 and 2 - 3 and 4 ... then be able to do 1 and 2 and 3 - 4 and 5 - etc The program matches on items on a given line. What if they are just at the end of a line and overlaps. Text files are small and this wouldn't take much.

    more madness I'm afraid - I'm not sure I even understand this enough to criticise it... 

    Took some thinking, but I almost parsed it now. I think mr. Swamp means that within text search, linebreaks should be ignored yet the context and original line numbering should be retained in search results, so that if you're searching for "some stuff", but your file has the phrase "some\nstuff", you will still find it and it reports the correct line number. You know, just like any sane search engine does right now.



  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    I finally finished reading all 27 pages of this thread. There were so many times I had to really make an effort to not bust out laughing. The 'shopped images are great and many of the replies are totally awe-inspiring. This epic soap thread is beyond anything I've ever seen before. I fully intend on writing a blog entry about it. In the mean time, I dugg it.
     

    This does deserve to be seen, doesn't it? I've added it to StumbleUpon. 



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  • @spenk said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    It may not be the best at everything. But it does do EVERYTHING
     

    Does it perform backups? Does it do source code control? Does it do version control? does it do file comparison? Does it search the file system for files?

    Answer no to any of those and you can't claim to do everything.

     

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  • Is it just me, or does SpectateShit sound an awful lot like the neural network from No Quack?



  • @elgate said:

    Is it just me, or does SpectateShit sound an awful lot like the neural network from No Quack?
     

    This desktop search threads. You find all with video and there was the options.

     You nerds want to text files. 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:
    Brilliant!
    Are you OK?

    How cute! He cares about you!

    Good going SpectateShit! 



  • @SpectateShit said:

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    D*mn - is that Markov chains? I was going to do exactly the same thing, but I couldn't be bothered to do the copy'n'pasting...Well done chap!



  • SpectateSwamp is a Dumb Shit too

    What the *:%*(_. I have been testing google desktop search. Maybe they know about me and sent a faulty version. Could be. I set up a folder c:\temp\ and made a copy of some of my larger files there. In the options I set it to skip every folder on C drive except c:\temp\ I then run the index and monitor it using Ctrl/Alt/Del. It would take 10 or 15 seconds before the indexing would start. With just a few files it would take 15 or 20 seconds to complete. Then I would do a search. FINDING NOTHING. I had placed a number "3882004782" at the end of all the files. The only one that showed up was one in the tiny append file that had that in the file and nothing else. Google doesn't search numbers well. I think I knew that a year or so back. SSDS searches numbers way way way better. Try it maybe I'm doing something wrong? Then I started looking in the files and searching for some of the info I saw. Not good results either. Very poor in fact. IN a showdown this stuff would just look worse than useless.

    My objective was to see what the max was. I failed. I am having trouble finding anything. Anybody else testing google and getting better results? I haven't quit trying yet. Man that SpectateShit is confused!  He might need more that a week at Swamp Shack

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    What the *:%*(_. I have been testing google desktop search. Maybe they know about me and sent a faulty version. Could be. I set up a folder c:\temp\ and made a copy of some of my larger files there. In the options I set it to skip every folder on C drive except c:\temp\ I then run the index and monitor it using Ctrl/Alt/Del. It would take 10 or 15 seconds before the indexing would start. With just a few files it would take 15 or 20 seconds to complete. Then I would do a search. FINDING NOTHING. I had placed a number "3882004782" at the end of all the files. The only one that showed up was one in the tiny append file that had that in the file and nothing else. Google doesn't search numbers well. I think I knew that a year or so back. SSDS searches numbers way way way better. Try it maybe I'm doing something wrong? Then I started looking in the files and searching for some of the info I saw. Not good results either. Very poor in fact. IN a showdown this stuff would just look worse than useless.
     

    Is anybody suprised that Spectate has failed to be able to use yet another simple application?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    It would take 10 or 15 seconds before the indexing would start.
     

    That's because most programs are trying to bug you as little as possible. So indexing mostly starts after a configurable amount of idle time, so it does not interfere with your work.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Google doesn't search numbers well.

    I guess that doesn't have anything to do with numbers. Text is text, whether is represents a number or not. If I write 1234, would you be able to tell if I was talking about the number onethousandthirtyfour or the string that contains for characters which are 1, 2, 3 and 4?

    What if you don't put a number in the file but search for text content? By the way: when using an indexed search it doesn't matter where in the file your search term occurs. That's the whole point.  And that's what makes it so superior compared to your "tool". All you may have proven is that GDS doesn't index large files completely, but only up to some point. This however should be configurable as well (I don't know GDS, but if it didn't have an option for that I'd also consider that a WTF, unless anybody can give me a reason for such behaviour).

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Man that SpectateShit is confused!  He might need more that a week at Swamp Shack

    Oh is he really? And I thought he just came back from one week at the Shack... 

     



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Is anybody suprised that Spectate has failed to be able to use yet another simple application?

    Certainly not surprised here. I imagine he never fully made the transition from his VAX programming days and things like windows, a mouse, colors other than green and black are completely foreign to him. He is like a caveman trying to explain hunting to a modern man. The gap is just too great.



  • @tdittmar said:

    All you may have proven is that GDS doesn't index large files completely, but only up to some point. This however should be configurable as well (I don't know GDS, but if it didn't have an option for that I'd also consider that a WTF, unless anybody can give me a reason for such behaviour).
     

    http://desktop.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12764&topic=201

    I must say, 10,000 words is enough for me. I don't have text files bigger than that sitting around that I would have a lot of expectations of. This would only be an issue if you were a dumb shit that kept everything in one giant text file and didn't understand directories.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    It would take 10 or 15 seconds before the indexing would start. With just a few files it would take 15 or 20 seconds to complete. Then I would do a search. FINDING NOTHING. I had placed a number "3882004782" at the end of all the files. The only one that showed up was one in the tiny append file that had that in the file and nothing else. Google doesn't search numbers well.

    Google for "gogopuffs", or maybe don't! =) If the less obvious search terms don't work, try looking for obvious search terms. Like parts of file names, words or phrases elsewhere in the files...

    Don't know about GDS, but Tracker works just fine - I type in "desktop search rain" and both the final render video file and lyrics text file are in the first page. If I search for the Obvious Plant Phrase, "even children use it every day", suddently I get irrelevant results.

    The indexing is meant to run on background at low priority (as others pointed out). Too bad Tracker doesn't run in Windows - it does have a full-blast indexing mode.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Man that SpectateShit is confused!  He might need more that a week at Swamp Shack

    Is that one of those Discworldian mental health treatments? "This guy is so insane that the only cure is to make him more insane, thus overflowing the insanity level and pushing him back to the sane range again?"



  • 10,000 words too much?

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    http://desktop.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12764&topic=201

    I must say, 10,000 words is enough for me. I don't have text files bigger than that sitting around that I would have a lot of expectations of. This would only be an issue if you were a dumb shit that kept everything in one giant text file and didn't understand directories.

    Thanks. I'll keep that in mind when taking down Google. If you want to secure sensitive data. With google put it 15,000 words in. 10,000 is such a small number.


  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    maybe I'm doing something wrong?
     

     

    "...somewhat akin to telling someone in the path of a tidal wave they might experience moisture!"

     

     Post some videos of yourself (ab)using GDS - should be good for some more laughs.

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    I failed.
     



  • @SpectateShit said:

    [..snip..]

    I bow before thee, oh mighty parodist of the Markov style!



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    http://desktop.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12764&topic=201

    I must say, 10,000 words is enough for me. I don't have text files bigger than that sitting around that I would have a lot of expectations of. This would only be an issue if you were a dumb shit that kept everything in one giant text file and didn't understand directories.

    Thanks. I'll keep that in mind when taking down Google. If you want to secure sensitive data. With google put it 15,000 words in. 10,000 is such a small number.
     

     

    Okay, we all know I'm reaching a bit here, but try to stay with me.

     

    Imagine that your big huge notes.txt file was split into a bunch of files, say one per month/year, all in a single folder:

     

    notes-2008-02.txt

    notes-2008-01.txt

    notes-2007-12.txt

     

    and so forth.  Let's assume that you write less than 10,000 words per month in these files.  Now, consider:

     

    1. GDS would index every single word in every single one of these files.  Probably numbers, too.
    2. It may take a little while to build the index - but guess what, if you just leave the computer on and go pursue squirrel videos for a few hours, by the time you get back, it'll all be done with zero effort on your part.
    3. There are multiple ways to get to the current month's file even without GDS, but you could also get to it with GDS (just search for something you know you wrote recently).
    4. Backing up these files (copy one folder) is just as easy as backing up the one huge file (copy one file)

    The real key here, though, is that this is already much closer to how your vaunted Common Man actually organizes his data, i.e. in a bunch of different files scattered all over the place.  SSDS will not work in this situation, unless he does a metric fuckton of manual reorganization.  And why should he?  He doesn't want what SSDS does.  Even after you show him all the bells and whistles (which are inconveniently placed underfoot where they'll constantly trip him up), he still won't want what SSDS does.

     

    As for your vaunted inmail.txt and outmail.txt files, you mentioned a while back that you were going to try Thunderbird.  Have you done so?  (You did keep your promise to try CamStudio, even if you were terrible at it.)  Try sending and receiving stuff from a few different people, then try sending stuff to some of those same people - watch carefully what happens when you just start typing their name or e-mail address...  Also, what are your thoughts on Gmail?  You can access that e-mail from any computer with a net connection.

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Thanks. I'll keep that in mind when taking down Google. If you want to secure sensitive data. With google put it 15,000 words in. 10,000 is such a small number.

     

    If you want something to be secure encrypt it. 

    Nobody other than you seems interested in shoving all data into one large file, keeping things in an organised fashion is much easier with separate documents anyway. So far all you seem to have done is install GDS and then use it in a way no other person would want to i.e. using it to search one large file! If I know which file the word is in then notepad, visual studio, word etc. will all happily find it. Desktop search is about locating files based on a term not locating the term inside a file.

     

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    http://desktop.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12764&topic=201

    I must say, 10,000 words is enough for me. I don't have text files bigger than that sitting around that I would have a lot of expectations of. This would only be an issue if you were a dumb shit that kept everything in one giant text file and didn't understand directories.

    Thanks. I'll keep that in mind when taking down Google. If you want to secure sensitive data. With google put it 15,000 words in. 10,000 is such a small number.
     

    ...Okay, that does it

    Most people have something called "seperate files" -- unless you're writing an IMMENSE legal documentation on something that needs to be one document, I'm sure you can fit it within 10,000 words.

    Now, before you say "What if someone's writing a book" -- here's what the authors I've seen do: They write each chapter (or even topic) in a file of it's own, and contain the whole book in it's own directory, i.e.

    [/] Book Title (FOLDER/DIRECTORY)
    |-[ ]Chapter 1.ext
    |-[ ]Chapter 2.ext
    |-[ ]Chapter 3.ext
    `-[ ]Chapter 4.ext

    (Note: Replace .ext with the filetype of your choice) 

    Besides, most people remember the general content/idea of what their first or second paragraphs contain and can search with keywords based on that. once found, the original file can be opened in it's original editor and they can search deeper into the document quickly (since it'll only be searching within the context of the single file)

     However, due to your single-filed mindedness, SpectateSwamp, I doubt you'll understand/comprehend my post because you refuse to believe/accept anyone can have any more than 2-3 text document files on their computer.

     




  • @DigitalXeron said:

    Now, before you say "What if someone's writing a book" -- here's what the authors I've seen do: They write each chapter (or even topic) in a file of it's own, and contain the whole book in it's own directory, i.e.

    That is definitely the case. That goes for any large documents, such as user manuals. There would be a master merge document that contains the TOC and merge references to each section/chapter. That will allow for printing with appropriate page numbers, etc. Keeping it all in one large file is just asking for trouble as well as a maintenance headache.

    About Google Desktop: I'm finding it does not have indexing configuration options. I just replaced Copernic with GDS because Copernic was too slow on returning results. But, GDS is waiting way too long to do indexing. I was able to tell Copernic to index after 15 seconds of idle time. GDS seems to be waiting at least a minute. It's showing 19% complete with about 1.2 idle hours left. Also, it does not have a full-file index option for excessively large files. But, I don't care about that. On the plus side, it does have the ability to index my online Gmail.

    In no way does the above statement endorse Spaghetti Search.



  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    About Google Desktop: I'm finding it does not have indexing configuration options. I just replaced Copernic with GDS because Copernic was too slow on returning results. But, GDS is waiting way too long to do indexing. I was able to tell Copernic to index after 15 seconds of idle time. GDS seems to be waiting at least a minute. It's showing 19% complete with about 1.2 idle hours left. Also, it does not have a full-file index option for excessively large files. But, I don't care about that. On the plus side, it does have the ability to index my online Gmail.
     

    http://podsync.com/tweakgds.htm

    That may or may not help you. I dunno, I don't use any of that crap.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    This would only be an issue if you were a dumb shit that kept everything in one giant text file and didn't understand directories.

    But who would be that stupid? 



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