Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?
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@Lingerance said:
I thought it was impossible to have an orgasm when being raped.
Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me to introduce The Real WTF (tm).
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@aythun said:
ender: using a gif is akin to taking SSDS seriously. Sane format, please.
What's wrong with GIF in this case?
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@aythun said:
@DrPhil said:
It's a gif? I couldn't tell, I have animation disabled.That is pretty sweet - an embedded animated gif - never seen one use to quite this largest scale.
ender: using a gif is akin to taking SSDS seriously. Sane format, please.
Yes ender, please bend to the whims of the only person here who didn't like this.
Don't bother to take the praise of the rest of us who thought your animation kicked ass.
Seriously, wtf...
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@ender said:
@aythun said:
ender: using a gif is akin to taking SSDS seriously. Sane format, please.
What's wrong with GIF in this case?
Because all I was able to see was the first frame of it. Nothing more was shown, nor was I even notified that more existed.
Yes, WTF indeed. Somehow you have interpreted my post as saying I disliked it when in fact I haven't even been able to view it.Yes ender, please bend to the whims of the only person here who didn't like this.
Don't bother to take the praise of the rest of us who thought your animation kicked ass.
Seriously, wtf...
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I hope this happens to the swampling:
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@aythun said:
@ender said:
@aythun said:
Because all I was able to see was the first frame of it. Nothing more was shown, nor was I even notified that more existed.ender: using a gif is akin to taking SSDS seriously. Sane format, please.
What's wrong with GIF in this case?
Yes, WTF indeed. Somehow you have interpreted my post as saying I disliked it when in fact I haven't even been able to view it.Yes ender, please bend to the whims of the only person here who didn't like this.
Don't bother to take the praise of the rest of us who thought your animation kicked ass.
Seriously, wtf...
Right, you couldn't see it because you disabled a feature of your browser. And then you say it is the poster's fault.Sorry, but the poster should not have to be concerned about your browser's limitations (or yours, since YOU disabled it). You might be able to argue this on a commercial site that wants your business... but not in a simple forum.
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Woooaaahhhh
@MarcB said:
...Google Maps, you can see what the source of all the problems is... it's a Trailer Park
Much as I'm loving this thread (it's replacing 'The Archers' as my favourite lunchtime soap atm) does anyone else think the whole tracking-the-guy-down thing is getting a bit creepy? Someone'll be sneaking a webcam up there next... Maybe we should just chill a little and remind ourselves of why we're here - to mock the message , not the messenger (though the odd side-helping of animation-format argument is fun as well - personally, I thought ender's gif was indeed the most pertinent post yet). I know it's hard not to point out, as I too have been guilty of, the relationship between crazy idea and crazy guy, but for me, the meat of this has been the informed argument - timing tests, search strategies, comparisons with similar products - it's all good. Let's knock the personal stuff on the head for now - not least because it's simply feeding the ego. I suspect the map postings simply confirmed in his head that all the swampies now know how to find the shack. He's probably got the kettle on ready...
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@aythun said:
@ender said:
@aythun said:
Because all I was able to see was the first frame of it.ender: using a gif is akin to taking SSDS seriously. Sane format, please.
What's wrong with GIF in this case?You should really see the rest of the animation. It rocks, full cool seeing ssds in action.
seriously, did you notice you are the only one bitching about the gif ?
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Building SSDS executable - video demonstration
See the latest video. Demonstrating the creation of the search.exe
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7589648200316339053
Following are some of my notes on the VB 5.0 SSDS executable creation
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create a shortcut to vb5.0
All programs
microsoft visual basic 5.0
visual basic 5.0 with a right Mouse to select send to (creates the shortcut)
Use the VB short cut
select standard.exe (icon) (that creates a default form called form1)
stretch out form1 (to fit the whole screen top and bottom)
change both (name) and (caption) on form1 to frmproj2select image control(icon) from the toolbar (lower left picture type icon)
set the stretch property to true (properties option - under help)
stretch it out to fit form1/frmproj2add command button (3rd icon down on right)
put it's location to 15000 and 15000 making it invisible (left and top to 15000)
Select (form1/frmproj2) and set the (view) to (code)
Dump / paste in the source codeUnder (file) use the (save as project as) project2 (just so the default project1 doesn't interfere)
under file select "make project2.exe"
I put the exe in my c:\search\ (folder)
that is all there is to it.
--------------------------------------------------------------So watch out the people that don't have a Clue (like me) will become Desktop Search Experts.
The best way to learn is make a minor change, like a prompt display change. Jam it, change it, jam it.Nobody can stop the Swampies / Swamplings now.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
See the latest video. Demonstrating the creation of the search.exe
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7589648200316339053
Following are some of my notes on the VB 5.0 SSDS executable creation
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create a shortcut to vb5.0
All programs
microsoft visual basic 5.0
visual basic 5.0 with a right Mouse to select send to (creates the shortcut)
Use the VB short cut
select standard.exe (icon) (that creates a default form called form1)
stretch out form1 (to fit the whole screen top and bottom)
change both (name) and (caption) on form1 to frmproj2select image control(icon) from the toolbar (lower left picture type icon)
set the stretch property to true (properties option - under help)
stretch it out to fit form1/frmproj2add command button (3rd icon down on right)
put it's location to 15000 and 15000 making it invisible (left and top to 15000)
Select (form1/frmproj2) and set the (view) to (code)
Dump / paste in the source codeUnder (file) use the (save as project as) project2 (just so the default project1 doesn't interfere)
under file select "make project2.exe"
I put the exe in my c:\search\ (folder)
that is all there is to it.
--------------------------------------------------------------So watch out the people that don't have a Clue (like me) will become Desktop Search Experts.
The best way to learn is make a minor change, like a prompt display change. Jam it, change it, jam it.Nobody can stop the Swampies / Swamplings now.
HAHAHA Look! It is a retarded monkey using a computer!
Wow that was hilarious!
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I feel much better now that I have been taught how to use VB5 by the laughing stock of the internet.
I don't know how I managed before!
Oh god, I cannot stop laughing!
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@SpectateSwamp said:
See the latest video. Demonstrating the creation of the search.exe
I would have watched it until the end, if your shakiness didn't make me feel like puking.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
See the latest video. Demonstrating the creation of the search.exe
My word. That really is something, isn't it? I'm almost tempted to say "please ignore my last liberal whinings" :) I don't use VB myself, but please somebody tell me that all that Form'n'button creation stuff can just be incorporated into the code? var F = new Form; var b=new Button("Click Me",100,100) or something? Surely! (And WTF is with "Project1, Project2.." - has SwampSearch really been called "Project1" for all these years?)
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@Renan_S2 said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
See the latest video. Demonstrating the creation of the search.exe
I would have watched it until the end, if your shakiness didn't make me feel like puking.
It must be hard to masturbate and video tape yourself compiling a vb5 app. Give the monkey some credit.
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@Benn said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
See the latest video. Demonstrating the creation of the search.exe
My word. That really is something, isn't it? I'm almost tempted to say "please ignore my last liberal whinings" :) I don't use VB myself, but please somebody tell me that all that Form'n'button creation stuff can just be incorporated into the code? var F = new Form; var b=new Button("Click Me",100,100) or something? Surely! (And WTF is with "Project1, Project2.." - has SwampSearch really been called "Project1" for all these years?)
Of course you could. Spectate is just showing more of his special brand of retardedness.
VB actually had .frm and .cls files that could be wrapped in the nice little project. Then he could zip it and let you download that. Assuming ANYONE would EVER want to touch that piece of shit.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
See the latest video. Demonstrating the creation of the search.exe
and the point to that was? You could have spent the time doing a video that shows your application doing any of the things people have requested recently rather than how to compile a vb5 application. Also use a screen capture program rather than a hand held out of focus camcorder as your way looks plain awful and quite frankly amature.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
See the latest video. Demonstrating the creation of the search.exe
Wow. Just... Wow. You are, quite possibly, the worst coder ever. You're using frigging VB, and you're STILL creating your forms again every sodding time you compile... you haven't even renamed your projects!
Fucking hell, that's just pathetic... either a) you're a troll who's so mentally disturbed that you've invested hundreds of hours in your lies, to the point where you're effectively living your own fiction, or b) you're genuinely the person you're presenting yourself as- a semi-literate incompetant who is deluded on a grand scale. I can't think of a third option, and BOTH of those options would mean that you're a potentially dangerous sociopath.
The fact that you don't seem to be bothered about your name and address- and satelite images of your house- being posted on the forum... well, that either means you're a troll who's even constructed an entire fake identity to underpin your trolling, which is such a scary concept I don't even want to consider it, or it means that you're unbalanced to the extent that such "trivial" things don't bother you in the slightest, as they're obviously not as important as the Power of Search. I'd prefer to believe it's option b, as that's slightly less terrifying, but then that would mean that you're NOT a troll... and that makes me afraid of a whole new set of things.
I don't have a clue what the truth behind all this is, but I'm pretty sure it's bad.
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Spectate, why do you continue to avoid doing what the forum members have asked you to do and use a screen capture utility to video your demonstrations rather than using a camcorder?
If you cannot do as we ask (use screen capture) how can you expect us to do as you ask (use SSDS)?
This is a serious contridiction that you need to resolve if you expect us to take you seriously.
Dr. Phil
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Video for swampies not anti-swampies
@rc_pinchey said:
Wow. Just... Wow. You are, quite possibly, the worst coder ever. You're using frigging VB, and you're STILL creating your forms again every sodding time you compile... you haven't even renamed your projects!
I don't creat the forms each time. I maybe should have repeated the reason for the video. A farmer/friend/swampie had access to VB6 and wanted to know how to build an executable of this program. He has the code. It should only take him minutes until he is making changes and testing it out. This guy is a non programmer but has tested the program out for me. He had an IBM and it behaved strangely on shutdown. Anyway I can understand the misunderstanding.
About the address thing. Anybody can find me just as easily. So I'm not offended. I had all kinds of birders looking me up 2 years ago when they were flocking here to see the European Hooded Crow. I got a bit carried away with that bird (it's still here) doing over 200 video clips. The provincial museum wanted a copy and thanked me very much. A little jiggle here and there doesn't make a bad video. Missing the subject makes for a bad video.
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@Benn said:
does anyone else think the whole tracking-the-guy-down thing is getting a bit creepy? Someone'll be sneaking a webcam up there next... Maybe we should just chill a little and remind ourselves of why we're here - to mock the *message* , not the messenger
I agree with you fully. I don't see a reason for tracking him down, publishing his address and other stuff. That's not only mean, but it's probably also a breach of the Privacy Policy. If somebody does not enter his address in his profile, he probably doesn't want his address published.
@SpectateSwamp said:
See the latest video. Demonstrating the creation of the search.exe
You can't be serious! I've been wondering all the time why your source code file was named
source.txt- no need to wonder anymore... Did you grasp the concept of a "VisualBasic Project"? You know, if you save the project and reload it, everything will be restored! Forms, source code, controls and everything!Now everything is becoming clearer. You're saying that our problem is having too many files. You assume we would never be able to read them in a lifetime. Well, guess what, some of us have jobs where we need to develop software using tools similar to VB5 (only newer and better). Most of these so called "development environments" create projects (collections of all the files that are later compiled into executables or libraries). And surprisingly we don't create these projects over and over, but leave them like they are. That's the whole point!
And that's why your "tool" is completely useless to most of us - it does not handle folder search, so searching in a project's folder (or even the folder containing all the projects) isn't possible. That's why we user proper software that does indexing (which is exactly the right method for desktop searching by the way) so we can find EVERY SINGLE FILE in EVERY SINGLE FOLDER that contains our search terms without the need to know the file we want to search within before we begin.
Maybe the whole problem with you is that you are too stuck in 1970-style programming. Maybe you should refrain from posting in tech-forums of any kind where most of the people have moved with the requirements and improvements in the industry. Maybe you should find (or found) a forum for people who are unsatisfied with the way modern desktop search tools work. You would be their hero.
There's nothing here for you. You are not a software developer. You're not even able to properly use VB5 - and that's been outdated long ago. The saddest thing is that I know most parts of your answer already: "Just check out source.txt. You can compile it for me. You do it. Anybody else do it. I'll create a video showing how to hit the "RUN" button. There's no point in having many files. More than a lifetime's reading".
All your replies will probably be generated using the random feature (check "randa" on command prompt #2) on your forumstandardreplies.txt file...
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Dr Phil finally right
@DrPhil said:
Spectate, why do you continue to avoid doing what the forum members have asked you to do and use a screen capture utility to video your demonstrations rather than using a camcorder?
If you cannot do as we ask (use screen capture) how can you expect us to do as you ask (use SSDS)?
This is a serious contridiction that you need to resolve if you expect us to take you seriously.
Dr. Phil
Finally you are right on something. Phil. I should learn how to use the screen capture software. I have been taking this anti computer technicalities to a bit of an extreme. A good screen capture software package is something I've needed for a long time. Now is the time. This is FREE advice is it Dr.?
Now I have shown them how to build and install the search. Now comes the fun stuff. Swampies let me know what you want to see next. I probably have to respond to the speed thing from a previous post. My Merge.txt file is nearly 300 mb. The 'y' option takes 31 seconds to display the last page. That does a read till end of file then reads it again, starting the display near the end of the file. 600mb in 31 seconds. My largest text file is my outmail (less than 40mb) since 1996. So don't worry about speed when searching your data.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
My Merge.txt file is nearly 300 mb. The 'y' option takes 31 seconds to display the last page. That does a read till end of file then reads it again, starting the display near the end of the file. 600mb in 31 seconds. My largest text file is my outmail (less than 40mb) since 1996. So don't worry about speed when searching your data.
My Visual Studio 2005 folder here at work (only the Projects folder!) is 1,99GB (containing executables and documentation source files as well - everything that goes with a project). I've installed Windows Desktop Search. Apart from this project folder, I've added the Microsoft Platform SDK folder, the Visual Studio 2005 SDK folder and the Windows Mobile 5.0 Pocket PC SDK folder as well, plus my eMails.
Searching for the term "public class" completed after 1.45 seconds. Your search is NOTHING! You LOST the competition - again!
@SpectateSwamp said:
This is FREE advice is it Dr.?
He should charge you 500 bucks, because we needed to repeat that over and over!
@SpectateSwamp said:
Swampies let me know what you want to see next.
I'm not a "Swampie", but I'd still love to see you cut the crap and admit that your tool sucks.
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Visual Basic by Dummie - I've succeeded
@tdittmar said:
And surprisingly we don't create these projects over and over, but leave them like they are. That's the whole point!
I wanted this program as simple as I could make it. It's easier to pass on that way. I used minimal VB 5.0. Just enough to do the job for Search. I am by no means a VB expert. But I have used it for nearly 10 years. I'm a desktop search expert. The non indexing type.
I don't really hold it against anybody for not having a clue on search. Me and my farmer friend are the only ones that have had access and understanding of this powerful app. From what I have read in responses. You all have learned a lot. Congratulations
@tdittmar said:
And that's why your "tool" is completely useless to most of us
I used the search when checking source code for the Telco/CableSystem Billing software. Merge cls and frm from the network to my pc. Toll records were merged from maxed out excel files and checked using this tool. There are not restrictions other than maybe some security on your system. You should be able to make very good use of this as an audit tool. You just might find more info than you expect. I'm trying the screen capture software. You try searching your frm and cls libraries. For the rest of the folks here. If not for me.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I wanted this program as simple as I could make it. It's easier to pass on that way.
Oh come on! ZIP the project folder and you're done! Get some sense into what you're saying.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Merge cls and frm from the network to my pc.
Then it won't compile anymore, because I don't have a proper project. No thank you.
@SpectateSwamp said:
You should be able to make very good use of this as an audit tool.
I thought it was a tool help me find documents on my PC?
@SpectateSwamp said:
You just might find more info than your expect.
I'd rather find exactly what I'm looking for.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I'm trying the screen capture software.
Finally!
@SpectateSwamp said:
You try searching your frm and cls libraries.
I just told you that I have - in 1.45 seconds with Windows Desktop Search. I'm not using VB, but C# will do I think.
@SpectateSwamp said:
For the rest of the folks here. If not for me.
I guess the rest of the folks here would not really care if I did. And I would only have one possible reply: It sucks. People have tried your software before and come to that conclusion, you know?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
You try searching your frm and cls libraries. For the rest of the folks here. If not for me.
Someone has already posted a GIF of your application failing to successfully search a directory tree full of source code. WE HAVE ALL ALREADY SEEN YOUR SEARCH FAILING. We know it sucks.
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Some still don't SEE
@tdittmar said:
Then it won't compile anymore, because I don't have a proper project. No thank you
You don't touch the originals. You just look at them through the merge.txt files.
@tdittmar said:
just told you that I have - in 1.45 seconds with Windows Desktop Search. I'm not using VB, but C# will do I think.
You have found nothing in 1.45 seconds. Say there were 10 matches for the code object you were looking for. With SSDS you would see them all much much faster than you will your way. Just enter enter enter at the speed you wish. In search nothing is found until someone SEES it.
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What's your next video request
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
HAHAHA Look! It is a retarded monkey using a computer!
Wow that was hilarious!
One take too. and under the 64M limit of my memory stick. (My camcorder software doesn't work on my laptop but does on my PC) so I download off the camcorder to it.
I use the lowest resolution my camcorder and turn the auto focus off. Next lesson will be using screen captures. Way easier. Doing this technical stuff without an assistant isn't easy. And you get laughed at a lot.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
In search nothing is found until someone SEES it.
You presume to know more about search than those who are TELLING YOU HOW SEARCH WORKS
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@SpectateSwamp said:
You have found nothing in 1.45 seconds. Say there were 10 matches for the code object you were looking for. With SSDS you would see them all much much faster than you will your way. Just enter enter enter at the speed you wish. In search nothing is found until someone SEES it.
How dare you judge what I've found or not??? How would you know that you'd see the results faster? You are just such a moron!! For your simple brain, I'll write a closer description:
It took WDS 1.45 seconds to build a list of files where the content matches my search criteria and DISPLAY this list in its result window. That's more than 15 times faster than it takes SSDS to even READ the file (by the way, I got 6600 matches)! In that list I can click an item and see an instant preview of the file (preview in the sense: I see the source code/image/whatever in the right half of the window, but not in the associated application) and can double click the file to open it for editing in the program that's associated with the file type. I can sort the list by some criteria. If I had specified a more exact search term ("public class" appears in virtually every C# source code file), I'd have more exact results.
Only for you, I'll do it again, and I'll choose a search term that is rarely used in my projects: "ImpersonateUser". (No, I'm not making this up. Just this morning a collegue of mine called from a production site where he's working today and asked me for exactly this method. He knew I'd implemented it, but he didn't remember the project).
Ok, WDS says it took 0.05 Seconds to find the two (TWO! Out of at least 6600) matching files! Now I can browse both of those files in the preview for the implementation of my ImpersonateUser method and open this file in Visual Studio 2005 using a simple double click in the list.
This took me about 15 Seconds, which is half the time it takes your search to even READ the file. Now, while I'm already working, you're still pressing ENTER, ENTER, ENTER at the speed you wish!
So don't you ever, EVER AGAIN tell me what I've found or if/when I've found something! I wouldn't have said I found it if I hadn't seen it, so don't treat me like a baby, you self-proclaimed search expert! You know, other people search even more than you do! If you were a search expert, you'd know about efficiency, you'd write about fancy algorithms here, but you don't know shit about algorithms or Visual Basic or programming or efficiency!
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Don't be COLD
@belgariontheking said:
You presume to know more about search than those who are TELLING YOU HOW SEARCH WORKS
I have searched and searched lots since the mid 80's and the vax/digital equipment search. Kept more notes than anybody I knew in IT. Never had to relearn anything. I would always check my notes first. Then came the ability to archive and find pictures with SSDS. Then video with AVI and MPG. Music and more. Everything I have done in the past pales to the possibilities of computers and video. So I LOVE search and this app does just about everything I want.
For those of you who have problems with the search doing a 'merge' You got the code. I have shown you how to build an executable. What is up. Is there a log tied to your butt. Find out why and let me know. Please.
Don't come here today it's -41C or -43F at the local airport. It's always colder down here by the river. You'll FREEZE
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SSDS kicks butt
@tdittmar said:
by the way, I got 6600 matches)!
Knowing you are going to get that many matches. Switch to matching lines only. SSDS will fill the page with 30+ hits in an instant. Just hit enter enter as you examine some of them at high speed. With that many matches you might want to refine your search a little bit. 6600 of anything is way way to many.
SSDS puts the data up fast. Very fast.
@tdittmar said:
you'd know about efficiency, you'd write about fancy algorithms here,
I'm here to clue you in about search. SSDS users kick ass when it comes to finding stuff all kinds of stuff. Now the Swampies are working on it.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@tdittmar said:
Then it won't compile anymore, because I don't have a proper project. No thank you
You don't touch the originals. You just look at them through the merge.txt files.
But why should I have to keep the originals and manually merge them into another file before I can search them, any other search tool would allow me to search them without this manual merging process.
@SpectateSwamp said:
You have found nothing in 1.45 seconds. Say there were 10 matches for the code object you were looking for. With SSDS you would see them all much much faster than you will your way. Just enter enter enter at the speed you wish. In search nothing is found until someone SEES it.
I think you will find he has found the files containing his search term in 1.45 seconds, what else would you expect a search tool to find?
@SpectateSwamp said:
I wanted this program as simple as I could make it. It's easier to pass on that way. I used minimal VB 5.0. Just enough to do the job for Search. I am by no means a VB expert. But I have used it for nearly 10 years. I'm a desktop search expert. The non indexing type.
How can it be easier when you are requiring people to create their own project and add a form themselves before pasting your source into it? Surely a simply vb5 project with 2 or 3 files zipped together would be easier.
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@tdittmar said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
You have found nothing in 1.45 seconds. Say there were 10 matches for the code object you were looking for. With SSDS you would see them all much much faster than you will your way. Just enter enter enter at the speed you wish. In search nothing is found until someone SEES it.
[lots of punctuation, especially '!' and '?']
Take a few deep breaths before replying next time?
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Swamp Code zipped
@spenk said:
How can it be easier when you are requiring people to create their own project and add a form themselves before pasting your source into it? Surely a simply vb5 project with 2 or 3 files zipped together would be easier.
I was unaware that this would allow them to use VB and make changes new exe etc. Maybe a Swampie will do it. I'll give it a spin.
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@PJH said:
@tdittmar said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
You have found nothing in 1.45 seconds. Say there were 10 matches for the code object you were looking for. With SSDS you would see them all much much faster than you will your way. Just enter enter enter at the speed you wish. In search nothing is found until someone SEES it.
[lots of punctuation, especially '!' and '?']
Take a few deep breaths before replying next time?
Are you talking about me or Swamp? I hope you're talking about Swamp, because lack of oxygen might explain the bullshit he's writing.
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@spenk said:
Because it has to be one file (see replies passim ad nausium) and VB5 projects don't work if you merge all the files into one?@SpectateSwamp said:
I wanted this program as simple as I could make it. It's easier to pass on that way. I used minimal VB 5.0. Just enough to do the job for Search. I am by no means a VB expert. But I have used it for nearly 10 years. I'm a desktop search expert. The non indexing type.
How can it be easier when you are requiring people to create their own project and add a form themselves before pasting your source into it? Surely a simply vb5 project with 2 or 3 files zipped together would be easier.
Or perhaps he doesn't know how to use winzip or similar.</speculation>
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@spenk said:
How can it be easier when you are requiring people to create their own project and add a form themselves before pasting your source into it? Surely a simply vb5 project with 2 or 3 files zipped together would be easier.
I was unaware that this would allow them to use VB and make changes new exe etc. Maybe a Swampie will do it. I'll give it a spin.You expect us to take you and your alleged experience seriously when you are now admitting you know virtually nothing about the VB development environment and the processes involved in sharing code...
Also when people point out fundamental problems saying things like @SpectateSwamp said:
You got the code.
is not a valid answer - searching a single file and searching multiple files, over multiple directories are not the same and to make your 'application' do the latter would be a total rewrite with a completely different design. Your app suits you and your desire to search one file at a time and do random fun things. This is not suiting anybody else.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Knowing you are going to get that many matches. Switch to matching lines only. SSDS will fill the page with 30+ hits in an instant.
I don't know, when I'm searching, I'm interested in the context as well. I don't just want to know "Oh yeah, there's this line where I wrote XYZ!". I want to know where it is, in which file it is and what's around it. In my sample, I was looking for the "ImpersonateUser" method. Not just the declaration of the method (i.e. the first line), but the entire implementation for the method. Maybe I'm wrong here, what does the "search expert say"?
@SpectateSwamp said:
With that many matches you might want to refine your search a little bit. 6600 of anything is way way to many.
Simple but serious question: DID YOU EVEN F*CKING READ WHAT I WAS WRITING?
*breathing in, breathing out*
@SpectateSwamp said:
I'm here to clue you in about search.
Why try to clue in people on a subject you have no idea about? Want to lean? Join some tech forum on algorithms.
I'm done. I've given you numbers, I've given you real-life examples I've been doing while I was writing my post. You have been unable to a) follow what I was saying, b) provide proper numbers yourself, c) provide proper replies. You lose. And all your swampies lose, too. You don't know shit about searching. All you have is a program that you personally like. That's great, but keep it to yourself.
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You just have to try it.
@tdittmar said:
I don't know, when I'm searching, I'm interested in the context as well
You'd soon know with SSDS switching from 'c' context to 's' single matching lines. I would switch from one to the other by seeing how few lines have been read and the number of matches found. With SSDS I can go into 's' mode and hold my finger down on the ENTER key. Man the data moves by fast.
then refine the search. Once I got some idea of the number of matches.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@tdittmar said:
I don't know, when I'm searching, I'm interested in the context as well
You'd soon know with SSDS switching from 'c' context to 's' single matching lines. I would switch from one to the other by seeing how few lines have been read and the number of matches found. With SSDS I can go into 's' mode and hold my finger down on the ENTER key. Man the data moves by fast.
then refine the search. Once I got some idea of the number of matches.
... or I might just NOT use SSDS, but some
softwarereal Desktop Search application that gives me the result instantly the way I expect them.
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SSDS Even more Instant
@tdittmar said:
real Desktop Search application that gives me the result instantly the way I expect them
Just did a test on my merge.txt file 263MB with 4,544,630 lines of infomation. I searched for "doug" and found 124,140 hits. I had them all come to the screen in single line matching mode. I just held my finger down on the enter key. I'm sure this app puts all matches up on the screen way more instant than yours does. SSDS is very instant. I've never seen a more instant search.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I've never seen a more instant search.
I have.
And with a much, much larger corpus.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@tdittmar said:
real Desktop Search application that gives me the result instantly the way I expect them
Just did a test on my merge.txt file 263MB with 4,544,630 lines of infomation. I searched for "doug" and found 124,140 hits. I had them all come to the screen in single line matching mode. I just held my finger down on the enter key. I'm sure this app puts all matches up on the screen way more instant than yours does. SSDS is very instant. I've never seen a more instant search.
I think he just learned the word 'instant'! Good boy!
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@tdittmar said:
I don't see a reason for tracking him down, publishing his address and other stuff. That's not only mean, but it's probably also a breach of the Privacy Policy. If somebody does not enter his address in his profile, he probably doesn't want his address published.
As one of the first users who went in that direction, I feel I should point out that I basically just posted links to a couple other forums where he'd already volunteered the information. The probability that someone would be psychotic and motivated enough to actually track him down and go do Bad Things, but insufficiently motivated to go find this information on their own, was small enough that I wasn't worried about it.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Me and my farmer friend
Quoted For Truth.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Just did a test on my merge.txt file 263MB
No wonder he doesn't grok the linux.txt debunking - it probably runs fast on his file, because his file is already in RAM cache. SS, tell you what, the following test may actually be within your laughable capabilities:
- Turn your computer completely off (not standby, not hibernate) and on again.
- Run a single search of your merge.txt file for something that very rarely appears.
- How long does it take for the first result to appear? Give us an actual goddamn number, not some useless platitude like "it shows up fast fast fast".
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I searched for "doug" and found 124,140 hits. I had them all come to the screen in single line matching mode. I just held my finger down on the enter key.
The use of that being...? Why would I like to see the word "Doug" printed 124,140 times in one line on my screen? So, let us for a second assume that your product would generate useful results. Let's assume that you found your search term 124,140 times. That means (at a rate of 30 characters per second) I'd have to hold down the enter key for 4138 seconds (that is 68 minutes, that is 1 hour and 8 minutes) to see the last search result?
Yeah. That's instant! Especially compared to the numbers I've given you.
The difference is: I can select the match I want to see. You need to go through them all.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I'm sure this app puts all matches up on the screen way more instant than yours does.
I'm sure does not count as a useful evidence. Most people are also sure that God exists - but is there any evidence? It's like answering the question "Why did you hit the other kid" by saying "Because!". Come up with something useful.
@SpectateSwamp said:
SSDS is very instant. I've never seen a more instant search.
My coffee is also very instant, but can it search? No! The fact that you've never seen a more instant search may be due to the fact that you've never even tried any other search. You completely refuse to even consider the possibility that there might be anything better than your crap. If you'd try WDS or GDS or any other program you would notice that they are much better than yours. That again would render the last 9 years of programming "effort" completely useless. You would have to admit that you don't have a clue.
Before you make me install your buggy program, install WDS, let it index your harddisk and then talk to me about speed again, or about "finding" stuff.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@tdittmar said:
real Desktop Search application that gives me the result instantly the way I expect them
Just did a test on my merge.txt file 263MB with 4,544,630 lines of infomation. I searched for "doug" and found 124,140 hits. I had them all come to the screen in single line matching mode. I just held my finger down on the enter key. I'm sure this app puts all matches up on the screen way more instant than yours does. SSDS is very instant. I've never seen a more instant search.
But as everyone keeps pointing out - this only works if all your sodding data is in a single file, most people keep things like source code in separate files so it can be compiled, e-mail can be kept in the e-mail program etc.
Also how long did it take to bring up those results? Was it quicker than 1.45 seconds? If not then it certainly isn't as instant as tdittmar's search
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@emurphy said:
How long does it take for the first result to appear? Give us an actual goddamn number, not some useless platitude like "it shows up fast fast fast".
Wouldn't that require him to be able to tell time?
You are asking an awful lot of this prehistoric retard....
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@tdittmar said:
You - your use of excessive punctuation seems to indicate you're getting a little exasperated by the troll.@PJH said:
@tdittmar said:
[lots of punctuation, especially '!' and '?']
Take a few deep breaths before replying next time?
Are you talking about me or Swamp? I hope you're talking about Swamp, because lack of oxygen might explain the bullshit he's writing.
Don't let it get to you.
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Cam Studio and SSDS a match made in Heaven
@kaamoss said:
One of those is Cam Studio, a personal favorite of mine
It took me a while to looking at Cam Studio. It's easy to use. Just created a avi of the search doing it's thing with 124,140 matches.
I like it a lot. Thanks. Sometimes I don't listen that well. But people keep reminding and reminding me.
One more good reason to use SSDS search
I'll post it asap.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@kaamoss said:
One of those is Cam Studio, a personal favorite of mine
It took me a while to looking at Cam Studio. It's easy to use. Just created a avi of the search doing it's thing with 124,140 matches.
I like it a lot. Thanks. Sometimes I don't listen that well. But people keep reminding and reminding me.
One more good reason to use SSDS search
I'll post it asap.
I see... so because you are a moron, people should use SSDS, which you (the aforementioned moron) wrote?
Logic Error.... Logic Error.... bleeeeeeeeep.
