Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?



  • @Outlaw Programmer said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Search is about having access to your data. Passwords and all. On a personal level I have no problem with people finding any of my data. All I need is a good backup.

     This is the nail in the troll-coffin for me.  Move along guys, nothing more to see here.  No need to argue about the product when it's clear is just a joke anyway.
     

    What impresses me is the amount of effort that went into producing the source code for this thing. It almost deserves a place in the Architecture & Design gallery of the MoMA.



  • @PerdidoPunk said:

    @Outlaw Programmer said:
    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Search is about having access to your data. Passwords and all. On a personal level I have no problem with people finding any of my data. All I need is a good backup.

     This is the nail in the troll-coffin for me.  Move along guys, nothing more to see here.  No need to argue about the product when it's clear is just a joke anyway.
     

    What impresses me is the amount of effort that went into producing the source code for this thing. It almost deserves a place in the Architecture & Design gallery of the MoMA.

     

    Again, I argue no sane person would have done this purposely or not.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @Soviut said:

    I can't believe you try to video tape your books!  Not only are there resolution issues, but the entire thing is unsearchable!  I can't search a video for a particular quote, not without manually reading through the whole thing over again.  Stupid idea, stupid implementation, stupid stupid stupid!

    Catalog the page starts that's all. Why wait forever for some automated procedure. Lazy SOB lazy lazy lazy.

    So, rather than just download the electronic version of the book and search the PDF I have to manually "catalog the page starts"? This is a pretty crap desktop search if I have to go cataloging crap like that.

    You're like one of those old guys who gets a video camera and is amazed by "the power of video" 15 years after everyone else got over it.  Rather than video taping your TV in "slow motion" (note: its actually frame by frame when you're stepping through it, not slow motion), just take the video and crop out that part to upload.  Oh wait, you don't believe in editing.  Guess grandpa doesn't know HOW to edit.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Soviut said:

    Why did you name it "cript" with an i, when you obviously know how to spell "encrYption"!?

    Maybe it was a brief flash of common sense, as he realized that what cript.txt is used for is nothing like encryption...

    And then poof it was gone.

    Hah, security through obfuscation? 



  • @Soviut said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @Soviut said:

    Why did you name it "cript" with an i, when you obviously know how to spell "encrYption"!?

    Maybe it was a brief flash of common sense, as he realized that what cript.txt is used for is nothing like encryption...

    And then poof it was gone.

    Hah, security through obfuscation? 

    Security through retardation? Security by insanity?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    500 books - I'm talking about maybe videoing in a handwritten copy of a cook book chatting it up as to when and where grandma would make these meals. Video can add way more than any scan. DVD's cost less than 25 Cents. So where is the problem? 

    Sometimes having additional audio commentary to a book might be useful. I think those times are far exceeded by the times where you just want the content in the book. The important content of a book is the words. You want to be able to search, not just for page 15 of this book, but for where in this book was this quote, where does it discuss this topic. Where's this particular recipe. Sure you could keep extensive notes on what is found on each page and cross reference that with where in the video each page is shown, but actually having the text to search is much easier and much better (and takes up much less space).

    DVDs cost less than 25 cents, but a huge stack of DVDs is impossible to search.

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:


    Randomly double clicking. This one can display them at 20 to 30 a second. For hours if I want it.

    You must have a strong tolerance against nausea, and obviously aren't suffering from epilepsy. 20-30 random images a second aren't going to be useful to anyone except as a poor-man's strobe light. 

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    I'll have to dig up some of that.

    Why dig? Isn't it stored in your wonderful Desktop Search application, which solves all the world's problem? Should be just a matter of microseconds to locate its record. Oh, that's right... it doesn't actually store anything unless you enter it first...

    @SpectateSwamp said:

     

    People don't have scanners they have camcorders in their telephones.

    You do realize that pretty much 99% of people won't ever use their cellphones for more than (woah, what a concept) telephone calls, and if young enough, obsessive text messaging? 

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    They need a way to start organizing all that video.

     

    Again, 99% of people who actually use their cellphones to take video aren't going to be taking more than a few minutes at most, and even then, will never look at it again, unless it happened to be a "Don't tase me, bro!" moment.

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    You are too far behind the curve to be helped. Sorry. 

     


    *cry* really harsh, man... and here I was thinking I was up-to-date to at LEAST the 1970s... I think I'll just crawl back into bed and cuddle up with my brick of punchcards. They at least understand me.


    .... not. 



  • @MarcB said:

    I think I'll just crawl back into bed and cuddle up with my brick of punchcards. They at least understand me.

    Quote of the day.



  • @Soviut said:

    Why did you name it "cript" with an i, when you obviously know how to spell "encrYption"!?

    Apparently he really is so mentally crippled he cannot spell anything correctly.

    'do the encription here november 20 2000
    If UCase(ttt) = "CRIPT" Then
    encript = "CRIPT"
    xtemp = Cmd(32)
    GoSub line_16000
    GoSub line_29500 'encription array read
    case_yes = "Y"
    GoSub replace_29000
    GoTo File_40
    End If
    'do the de-encription here november 20 2000
    If UCase(ttt) = "DECRIPT" Then
    encript = "DECRIPT"
    xtemp = Cmd(32)
    GoSub line_16000
    GoSub line_29500 'encription array read
    case_yes = "Y"
    GoSub replace_29000
    GoTo File_40
    End If
    'set up for the de-encription here november 20 2000
    If UCase(ttt) = "MYSTUF" Then
    encript = "MYSTUF"
    xtemp = Cmd(32)
    GoSub line_16000
    GoSub line_29500 'encription array read
    case_yes = "Y"
    GoTo What_50
        End If

    GAH! MY EYES!!!

    It is like the radiation mutated the retard into a super human WTFer.

     


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @SuperousOxide said:

    DVDs cost less than 25 cents, but a huge stack of DVDs is impossible to search.

    vgrep[1]

    No, it's not available as source.

     

    [1] Sadly a Google for this (alone) no longer produces the correct result in the first 10 matches.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    'do the encription here november 20 2000
    If UCase(ttt) = "CRIPT" Then
            encript = "CRIPT"
            ....[some stuff]
    End If
    'do the de-encription here november 20 2000
    If UCase(ttt) = "DECRIPT" Then
            encript = "DECRIPT"
            ....[same stuff]
      End If

    GAH! MY EYES!!!



    Haha - this thread amused me so much, I joined the company...

    Mr SpectateSwamp, Having recently been taking a novice through the painful-but-rewarding experience of learning programming, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt wrt the troll issue, and simply attempt to explain the reaction you've provoked, as I'm not quite convinced you're sure what's going on.

    As far as I can tell, your basic idea is laudable - you want to be able to organise your enormous file collection. That's great. We all do. It's even possible that you've looked at all the other Desktop Seach programs out there, found that none of them were good enough, and like many of us have done before, decided to make a better mousetrap. That's all fine.

    The thing is, you then posted code. To here. This is the place where programmers come to feel good about themselves by laughing at other people's code - well, I do anyway :)  From other posts and the articles, I reckon that most of the people here are in the same boat as myself, with 10 < $experience < 50 years in writing, reading, editing and criticising code, both our own and others. And to be honest, I have to add my voice to the crowd - that really is very very poor code. At random, I quoted the few lines above to just give you some hints about what we're talking about. This is a classic game of WTF, and I'm sure others will enjoy playing along :)

       If (a condition) Then Do Something. 
       If (a mutually exclusive condition) Then Do something Else. 

    The key word there is 'Else'. Ucase(ttt) can't ever be both 'CRIPT' and 'DECRIPT' at the same time, so it's a waste to check whether it is. Look up the 'Else' keyword in a book.

    Except of course, here it's "Then Do exactly the same thing except for one line" . This is classic "cut-and-paste" code - made even more obvious by the fact that the comment wasn't changed after the paste. Have a long hard think about how you can reduce this section of code to half its size, and you'll be on your way to your first 'Zen of Programming' moment :) 



  • I've brought my best foot flowered... Pshoooo?

    DO NOT listen to Desktop Search!!! Video is danger and SpectateSwamp is hitler!

    stop it right , you evil bastard, SpectateSwamp! Your  bad program not interest!

    Your program capture data but data will die if captured! --Data must be free!  -- search is sin!

    DO NOT listen to him and his program! Join me for the other side! DataRevolution is where it's at! I have written ingenious program in PHP that will free all data and video! It wont be easy but we can win the battle and all computers will be 100 times faster! -- It's because of network!

    Go away and hide you enemy of data, SpectateSwamp! 



  • @spectateSwump said:

    DO NOT listen to Desktop Search!!! Video is danger and SpectateSwamp is hitler!

    stop it right , you evil bastard, SpectateSwamp! Your  bad program not interest!

    Your program capture data but data will die if captured! --Data must be free!  -- search is sin!

    DO NOT listen to him and his program! Join me for the other side! DataRevolution is where it's at! I have written ingenious program in PHP that will free all data and video! It wont be easy but we can win the battle and all computers will be 100 times faster! -- It's because of network!

    Go away and hide you enemy of data, SpectateSwamp! 

    ???



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @spectateSwump said:

    DO NOT listen to Desktop Search!!! Video is danger and SpectateSwamp is hitler!

    stop it right , you evil bastard, SpectateSwamp! Your  bad program not interest!

    Your program capture data but data will die if captured! --Data must be free!  -- search is sin!

    DO NOT listen to him and his program! Join me for the other side! DataRevolution is where it's at! I have written ingenious program in PHP that will free all data and video! It wont be easy but we can win the battle and all computers will be 100 times faster! -- It's because of network!

    Go away and hide you enemy of data, SpectateSwamp! 

    ???

    The trolls appear to be breeding.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @belgariontheking said:
    @spectateSwump said:

    DO NOT listen to Desktop Search!!! Video is danger and SpectateSwamp is hitler!

    stop it right , you evil bastard, SpectateSwamp! Your  bad program not interest!

    Your program capture data but data will die if captured! --Data must be free!  -- search is sin!

    DO NOT listen to him and his program! Join me for the other side! DataRevolution is where it's at! I have written ingenious program in PHP that will free all data and video! It wont be easy but we can win the battle and all computers will be 100 times faster! -- It's because of network!

    Go away and hide you enemy of data, SpectateSwamp! 

    ???

    The trolls appear to be breeding.

    I think it's a trollophage and it's the beginning of a viral outbreak.



  • @spectateSwump said:

    DO NOT listen to Desktop Search!!! Video is danger and SpectateSwamp is hitler!

    stop it right , you evil bastard, SpectateSwamp! Your  bad program not interest!

    Your program capture data but data will die if captured! --Data must be free!  -- search is sin!

    DO NOT listen to him and his program! Join me for the other side! DataRevolution is where it's at! I have written ingenious program in PHP that will free all data and video! It wont be easy but we can win the battle and all computers will be 100 times faster! -- It's because of network!

    Go away and hide you enemy of data, SpectateSwamp! 

     

    Ummmm, could someone please email me teh cod3s to troll@trollyTroll.net 



  • @kaamoss said:

    @spectateSwump said:

    DO NOT listen to Desktop Search!!! Video is danger and SpectateSwamp is hitler!

    stop it right , you evil bastard, SpectateSwamp! Your  bad program not interest!

    Your program capture data but data will die if captured! --Data must be free!  -- search is sin!

    DO NOT listen to him and his program! Join me for the other side! DataRevolution is where it's at! I have written ingenious program in PHP that will free all data and video! It wont be easy but we can win the battle and all computers will be 100 times faster! -- It's because of network!

    Go away and hide you enemy of data, SpectateSwamp! 

     

    Ummmm, could someone please email me teh cod3s to troll@trollyTroll.net 

    <font size="-1">email me and I'll give you teh codes. I promise I will not sell your email address for 1/100th of a cent</font>

     

     

    ...so, who has the staying power to keep this thread alive for 7 years? ;) 



  • @kaamoss said:

    @spectateSwump said:

    DO NOT listen to Desktop Search!!! Video is danger and SpectateSwamp is hitler!

    stop it right , you evil bastard, SpectateSwamp! Your  bad program not interest!

    Your program capture data but data will die if captured! --Data must be free!  -- search is sin!

    DO NOT listen to him and his program! Join me for the other side! DataRevolution is where it's at! I have written ingenious program in PHP that will free all data and video! It wont be easy but we can win the battle and all computers will be 100 times faster! -- It's because of network!

    Go away and hide you enemy of data, SpectateSwamp! 

    Ummmm, could someone please email me teh cod3s to troll@trollyTroll.net 

     

     me too aoluser@aol.com



  • luser

    @operagost said:

    @kaamoss said:

     

    Ummmm, could someone please email me teh cod3s to troll@trollyTroll.net

     

    me too aoluser@aol.com

    heh



  • Re: password

    hah hah hah very funny



  • Worst code ever is the most powerful of programs.

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    What impresses me is the amount of effort that went into producing the source code for this thing. It almost deserves a place in the Architecture & Design gallery of the MoMA.

    So far you haven't seen this Search perform. Just looked and critiqued the code so far. But that's a start.

    How can code with so many GOTO's possibly work. Is it a miracle. How can an illiterate write code that works? so many questions.

     

    Has anybody had any luck building a new executable? Does the search work on vista?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    What impresses me is the amount of effort that went into producing the source code for this thing. It almost deserves a place in the Architecture & Design gallery of the MoMA.

    So far you haven't seen this Search perform. Just looked and critiqued the code so far. But that's a start.

    How can code with so many GOTO's possibly work. Is it a miracle. How can an illiterate write code that works? so many questions.

     

    Has anybody had any luck building a new executable? Does the search work on vista?

    HAHA! He is like the Black Knight!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno



  • The Videos will tell all. Don't worry you'll get clued in

    @SuperousOxide said:

    DVDs cost less than 25 cents, but a huge stack of DVDs is impossible to search.

     

    I do at least 1 backup copy of my Videos onto DVD's. Some of my best video I have on my laptop for showing off.

    I can see there are a few that need to be "CLUED IN" on how to use video.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @PerdidoPunk said:

    What impresses me is the amount of effort that went into producing the source code for this thing. It almost deserves a place in the Architecture & Design gallery of the MoMA.

    So far you haven't seen this Search perform. Just looked and critiqued the code so far. But that's a start.

    How can code with so many GOTO's possibly work. Is it a miracle. How can an illiterate write code that works? so many questions.

     

    Has anybody had any luck building a new executable? Does the search work on vista?

    GOTO hell???

    ???????

    profit!!! 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Some of my best video I have on my laptop for showing off.

    Unfortunately it all involves 12 year old boys....



  • Doesn't take long for the imitators

    @spectateSwump said:

    hah hah hah very funny

    Go away spectateSwump. They will get you confused with me and think we are both crazy.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @spectateSwump said:

    hah hah hah very funny

    Go away spectateSwump. They will get you confused with me and think we are both crazy.

    No, YOU go away!! YOU are imitating ME ALL the time!! 



  • Spectate Swamp needs Professional Help

    I've been a long time lurker here at TheDailyWTF and have followed this crazy thread for the last couple of days, and at first thought it was some type of social experiment, but it is obvious to me now that is not the case.  What is obvious is that SpectateSwamp is suffering from one or more personality disorders and needs professional help.

     

    The desktop search tool he has built is his ‘religion’ and because of this he accepts those things the board says that fit within his belief system (and he comments to these) and rejects those things that do not fit within his belief system (and he does not comment to these).  This is a belief Bias issue (http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/belief_bias.htm) and nothing we say or do can change this.  He is also afflicted with Belief Perserverance, in that he continues to keep believing in something (The validity of Desktop Search) even in the face of convincing evidence to the contrary (http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/belief_perseverance.htm). Another factor at work here is Idealization.  He has over-estimated the value of his product and is ignoring the negative aspects that are pointed out to him – a very cult like attitude. (http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/idealization.htm).

     

    If you take the sum of these he most like suffers from Narcissistic personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder).  This disorder is extremely difficult to treat, and most people with will not seek professional help.  Most cult leaders are likely to suffer from this malady.

     

    You can help to overcome this this problem by showing him lots of unavoidable hard evidence that breaks his idealized perceptions.  Unfortunately, I can see this forum has repeatedly attempted to do this and it just isn’t working.  His attempts to build the 'cult' will continue ad nauseum.

     

    To SpectateSwamp: I implore you to seek professional help for your disorders as soon as possible. Hopefully with proper care you will stop your pursuit of this unhealthy goal and begin to put your time an effort toward more fulfilling goals.

     

    Respectfully, Dr. Phil
     

     



  • The Desktop Search Cult.
    WTF, I like the idea.




  • DrPhil is my hero!



  • @DrPhil said:

    If you take the sum of these he most like suffers from Narcissistic personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder).  This disorder is extremely difficult to treat, and most people with will not seek professional help.  Most cult leaders are likely to suffer from this malady.

    Reminds me of that other guy that was linked to here a few weeks ago, with the PHP multi-threading bollocks.  I feel sorry for these guys. :(
     



  • IMHO desktop search is something that people who have even remotely sensibly ordered computer do not need at all. There are exceptions like searching through outlook mail that needs to be preserved, but in general provided that one has a sensible file-system folder structure it is redundant.

    As to why one would call something that by functionality is a media library a desktop search beats me... Most media players today offer similar things. And the code does not even look sane...

    I find it humorous that a WTF has for once advertised itself in a RIGHT forum...
     



  • Desktop Search lessons needed HERE Baaaad

    @tray said:

    The Desktop Search Cult.
    WTF, I like the idea.


     

    I don't think there is anybody in this cult but me.

    Thinking about DrPhil and others saying they don't need search, made me realise what the problem is.

    Techies don't need search. And for sure don't know how to make good use of one. Search allows you to keep WAY more data.



  • Re: Desktop Search is about feeding the trolls

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    @tray said:

    The Desktop Search Cult.
    WTF, I like the idea.


     

    I don't think there is anybody in this cult but me.

    Thinking about DrPhil and others saying they don't need search, made me realise what the problem is.

    Techies don't need search. And for sure don't know how to make good use of one. Search allows you to keep WAY more data.

    How does your search perform on a multiprocessor environment ?

    I suggest you add a couple of threads (not forum ones) in order to search more efficiently ...
    After all its all about the responsiveness of the application ...

    Web interface would be a great idea as well ... There is an award winning framework for PHP multithreading you could use ...
    Add some frames for security and you are on your way to the stars ...


     



  • @Nelle said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    @tray said:

    The Desktop Search Cult.
    WTF, I like the idea.


     

    I don't think there is anybody in this cult but me.

    Thinking about DrPhil and others saying they don't need search, made me realise what the problem is.

    Techies don't need search. And for sure don't know how to make good use of one. Search allows you to keep WAY more data.

    How does your search perform on a multiprocessor environment ?

    I suggest you add a couple of threads (not forum ones) in order to search more efficiently ...
    After all its all about the responsiveness of the application ...

    Web interface would be a great idea as well ... There is an award winning framework for PHP multithreading you could use ...
    Add some frames for security and you are on your way to the stars ...

    Wouldn't it be more important for him to learn what a search engine is first? Maybe learn that playing random files has nothing at all to do with search and/or organization? .Maybe he should learn that a VB6 application can't replace an OS no matter how hard he wishes, and no matter how many forums he acts like a fool on?

    I see your joke, but this guy isn't going to get it. Please don't say anything that might be considered encouraging by someone who is operating in a different plane of existence.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Search allows you to keep WAY more data.

    Exactly how?

    No wait, don't tell me how.  Just stop. 



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Wouldn't it be more important for him to learn what a search engine is first? Maybe learn that playing random files has nothing at all to do with search and/or organization? .Maybe he should learn that a VB6 application can't replace an OS no matter how hard he wishes, and no matter how many forums he acts like a fool on?

    I see your joke, but this guy isn't going to get it. Please don't say anything that might be considered encouraging by someone who is operating in a different plane of existence.

    This guy is the reason this site exists. He produces more great material in a day, than Alex can dig up in a week. In Alex's place, I would give this guy a job, to make sure I never run out of material.
    I was just trying to give him a push in the right direction.

    Speaking of material, when is the next TDWTF(C)(R)(TM) Programming Contest(C)(R)(TM) coming ? The topic could be "Build a desktop search engine" ...

     



  • Re-Installing your OS is a snap with Desktop Search

    @Nelle said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    @tray said:

    The Desktop Search Cult.
    WTF, I like the idea.


     

     

     

    I don't think there is anybody in this cult but me.

    Thinking about DrPhil and others saying they don't need search, made me realise what the problem is.

    Techies don't need search. And for sure don't know how to make good use of one. Search allows you to keep WAY more data.

    How does your search perform on a multiprocessor environment ?

    I suggest you add a couple of threads (not forum ones) in order to search more efficiently ...
    After all its all about the responsiveness of the application ...

    Web interface would be a great idea as well ... There is an award winning framework for PHP multithreading you could use ...
    Add some frames for security and you are on your way to the stars ...


     

    I hope you are not Jee Hawing me. (old dog musher commands for left, right)

    The program can easily run background jobs. Ie 100 jobs doing extracts then combine those files for searching.

    I need to create some example templates. Before I forget how to do it myself.

    Sorry for not responding recently. My modem is giving me trouble. First I did a complete reinstall of windows xp. That took 3 hours. Backup. Load windows and net stuff. Then copy my data from the external drive. Still got the same problem. The line is either bad or my modem is too old.

    Anyway that's what this Desktop search does for me. I can know next to nothing about the OS. The internet and computing in general if I know and use this program for storing text, pics, video etc. Before you ever commit anything for storage on a computer make sure you are as secure as I am.

    Any of you done a reinstall of your system lately. I bet it wasn't as simple as mine.  

    If you can't easily and quickly re-install your OS then your data isn't as secure as it could be.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    My modem is giving me trouble. First I did a complete reinstall of windows xp.

    Best.Solution.Ever

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    If you can't easily and quickly re-install your OS then your data isn't as secure as it could be.

    For arbitrary definitions of secure 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @Nelle said:
    @SpectateSwamp said:

    @tray said:

    The Desktop Search Cult.
    WTF, I like the idea.


     

     

     

    I don't think there is anybody in this cult but me.

    Thinking about DrPhil and others saying they don't need search, made me realise what the problem is.

    Techies don't need search. And for sure don't know how to make good use of one. Search allows you to keep WAY more data.

    How does your search perform on a multiprocessor environment ?

    I suggest you add a couple of threads (not forum ones) in order to search more efficiently ...
    After all its all about the responsiveness of the application ...

    Web interface would be a great idea as well ... There is an award winning framework for PHP multithreading you could use ...
    Add some frames for security and you are on your way to the stars ...


     

    I hope you are not Jee Hawing me. (old dog musher commands for left, right)

    The program can easily run background jobs. Ie 100 jobs doing extracts then combine those files for searching.

    I need to create some example templates. Before I forget how to do it myself.

    Sorry for not responding recently. My modem is giving me trouble. First I did a complete reinstall of windows xp. That took 3 hours. Backup. Load windows and net stuff. Then copy my data from the external drive. Still got the same problem. The line is either bad or my modem is too old.

    Anyway that's what this Desktop search does for me. I can know next to nothing about the OS. The internet and computing in general if I know and use this program for storing text, pics, video etc. Before you ever commit anything for storage on a computer make sure you are as secure as I am.

    Any of you done a reinstall of your system lately. I bet it wasn't as simple as mine.  

    If you can't easily and quickly re-install your OS then your data isn't as secure as it could be.

    Right. You don't need to know anything about the OS. Except that it is Windows. And it is running the VB runtime.

    Considering the rest of us just reinstall our OS, and don't have to worry about making some piece of shit VB6 app run... I bet our reinstalls are easier. Except most of us don't have to reinstall. And certainly not because our MODEM didn't work!




  • Dumbing down computing with Desktop Search

    @belgariontheking said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    My modem is giving me trouble. First I did a complete reinstall of windows xp.

    Best.Solution.Ever

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    If you can't easily and quickly re-install your OS then your data isn't as secure as it could be.

    For arbitrary definitions of secure 

     

    I was pretty sure that was my problem. But it's so easy to eliminate virus problems by reloading my OS. I'll call my Internet Co today. I needed a fresh backup as well. 3 hours is all it took.

    Right now I could lose my LapTop and I'd be up and running on another as soon as I could get my hands on it. (ie my fresh backup) That's security. You geekie buggers would be spending days just gathering all the software packages you just got to have. Ooooh Soooo Secure I am...

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @belgariontheking said:
    @SpectateSwamp said:

    My modem is giving me trouble. First I did a complete reinstall of windows xp.

    Best.Solution.Ever

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    If you can't easily and quickly re-install your OS then your data isn't as secure as it could be.

    For arbitrary definitions of secure 

     

    I was pretty sure that was my problem. But it's so easy to eliminate virus problems by reloading my OS. I'll call my Internet Co today. I needed a fresh backup as well. 3 hours is all it took.

    Right now I could lose my LapTop and I'd be up and running on another as soon as I could get my hands on it. (ie my fresh backup) That's security. You geekie buggers would be spending days just gathering all the software packages you just got to have. Ooooh Soooo Secure I am...

    Wow... I think it just got dumber in here!

    Thanks Spectate, we all lost a few IQ points just by READING that.



  • Spectate reveals more desktop search secrets...

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:
    @belgariontheking said:
    @SpectateSwamp said:

    My modem is giving me trouble. First I did a complete reinstall of windows xp.

    Best.Solution.Ever

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    If you can't easily and quickly re-install your OS then your data isn't as secure as it could be.

    For arbitrary definitions of secure 

     

    I was pretty sure that was my problem. But it's so easy to eliminate virus problems by reloading my OS. I'll call my Internet Co today. I needed a fresh backup as well. 3 hours is all it took.

    Right now I could lose my LapTop and I'd be up and running on another as soon as I could get my hands on it. (ie my fresh backup) That's security. You geekie buggers would be spending days just gathering all the software packages you just got to have. Ooooh Soooo Secure I am...

    Wow... I think it just got dumber in here!

    Thanks Spectate, we all lost a few IQ points just by READING that.

    The dumbing down is working.

    My new video group will be "How Spectate uses Desktop Search"

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Right now I could lose my LapTop and I'd be up and running on another as soon as I could get my hands on it. (ie my fresh backup) That's security. You geekie buggers would be spending days just gathering all the software packages you just got to have. Ooooh Soooo Secure I am...

    Security is measured in a myriad of ways.  My favorite is to use three angles:  Availability, Authentication(maybe the wrong word, but close to it), and Confidentiality. 

    Availability is what you claim here.  Your data is always available to you.  

    You haven't made any claim to the other two. 

    Do you know that you're the only one that can access your data? 

    Do you know that once you've authenticated yourself, noone else can read your conversation?  Confidentiality is commonly handled by encrypting the conversation, but we've already seen your encryption scheme, and it is laughable.  You may have a case for confidentiality because there is no "conversation" between you and your application like there would be with a webapp.  BTW "Who would want to?" is not a case for security.

    BTW, I used to (haven't in a while) reformat my computer every month or so.  It was back in the Win98 days, and my computer was as stable as a ... not stable thing.  Each time I did it, I was back up and running with everything in a matter of hours.  I could have made it quicker with better imaging software, but didn't bother.   



  • Security Inhibits data sharing

    @belgariontheking said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Right now I could lose my LapTop and I'd be up and running on another as soon as I could get my hands on it. (ie my fresh backup) That's security. You geekie buggers would be spending days just gathering all the software packages you just got to have. Ooooh Soooo Secure I am...

    Security is measured in a myriad of ways.  My favorite is to use three angles:  Availability, Authentication(maybe the wrong word, but close to it), and Confidentiality. 

    Availability is what you claim here.  Your data is always available to you.  

    You haven't made any claim to the other two. 

    Do you know that you're the only one that can access your data? 

    Do you know that once you've authenticated yourself, noone else can read your conversation?  Confidentiality is commonly handled by encrypting the conversation, but we've already seen your encryption scheme, and it is laughable.  You may have a case for confidentiality because there is no "conversation" between you and your application like there would be with a webapp.  BTW "Who would want to?" is not a case for security.

    BTW, I used to (haven't in a while) reformat my computer every month or so.  It was back in the Win98 days, and my computer was as stable as a ... not stable thing.  Each time I did it, I was back up and running with everything in a matter of hours.  I could have made it quicker with better imaging software, but didn't bother.   

    The only one that counts to the masses is availability. I just want the computer to safely store and find my data. The other security is for corporations.

    I sure hope they can access my data. In the future maybe somebody will look at all my "todo" items for this search. Some would be easy, some lots of fun.

    Too much Security Inhibits data sharing.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    The dumbing down is working.

    My new video group will be "How Spectate uses Desktop Search"

     

    He is running out of material and the illusion of plausibility is failing.

     

    Perhaps i'll fuel the fire a bit. When I have to reinstall my OS (which is only when I make hardware changes), it takes me less than twenty minutes to configure the installation to my liking, and about an hour to install all the software packages I use on a regular basis. Not only that, but since I have plenty of hard disks and partition wisely, I never have to worry about losing data when I format and reinstall operating systems (even if I nuke the whole system drive... boot sector, WinXP, Vista, and whatever Linux distro I've been fancying). All of my files are just there. This includes everything dating back to my freshman year of high school (about 8 years of documents, images, videos, music, source code, etc).

     

    Happy trolling!



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    The only one that counts to the masses is availability. I just want the computer to safely store and find my data. The other security is for corporations.

    I disagree. 

    I certainly don't want anyone logging in as me.   

    I certainly don't want others reading my password when I log into my email (even if all of my email is then transmitted in the clear).

    Maybe you should become part of the masses (instead of a creepy crazy guy) before you decide what the masses need.  Most people store personal financial information, images of their family, passwords(!), and porn on their computer.  Not something they want others to find. 

    So you want to share your data with me?  Fine.  Suppose I want to see videos of you using your product.  Suppose (in letting me see those videos), you've allowed me to wipe your hard drive.  Now you've lost all your financial data, your videos, pictures of your family, your porn.  So you have a backup.  "The masses" don't backup.  Plain and simple.  Suppose you've allowed me to PUT files on your hard drive, and change your screen saver to a horse autopsy.  Do you still say you're secure?


    EDIT:  I almost forgot, if you want to see how secure MY system, you can try to hack it.  My ip address is 127.0.0.1



  • @PerdidoPunk said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The dumbing down is working.

    My new video group will be "How Spectate uses Desktop Search"


    He is running out of material and the illusion of plausibility is failing.

    I don't think there is any shortage of stupid of crazy with this guy.



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The only one that counts to the masses is availability. I just want the computer to safely store and find my data. The other security is for corporations.

    I disagree. 

    I certainly don't want anyone logging in as me.   

    I certainly don't want others reading my password when I log into my email (even if all of my email is then transmitted in the clear).

    Maybe you should become part of the masses (instead of a creepy crazy guy) before you decide what the masses need.  Most people store personal financial information, images of their family, passwords(!), and porn on their computer.  Not something they want others to find. 

    So you want to share your data with me?  Fine.  Suppose I want to see videos of you using your product.  Suppose (in letting me see those videos), you've allowed me to wipe your hard drive.  Now you've lost all your financial data, your videos, pictures of your family, your porn.  So you have a backup.  "The masses" don't backup.  Plain and simple.  Suppose you've allowed me to PUT files on your hard drive, and change your screen saver to a horse autopsy.  Do you still say you're secure?


    EDIT:  I almost forgot, if you want to see how secure MY system, you can try to hack it.  My ip address is 127.0.0.1

    Holy crap! I H4x0r3d ur b0x! You have all the same data as I do! WTF?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    First I did a complete reinstall of windows xp. That took 3 hours.

    Any of you done a reinstall of your system lately. I bet it wasn't as simple as mine.  

    If you can't easily and quickly re-install your OS then your data isn't as secure as it could be.

    Um, if it took you 3 hours to reinstall Windows XP, then I can guarantee my reinstalls have been a lot more simple than yours. 


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