Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?
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@dande said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
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It is all hardcoded strings, that write to a file (help.txt).
Presumably to be opened later for help...
Why not just put that all in help.txt and ship it with the code? Unless you are getting paid per line of code, this is just ridiculous.
Pretty much meets and exceeds my definition of WTF.
Now I am confused.
In this thread, I learned that as long as something works as designed, then it is fine, but now it is not?
Way to troll and try and drag that argument here. Read the whole thread. If you disagree, argue it there.
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Really bad Code == Really good Program
@dande said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
ROFLMFAO
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As long as it works as designed, I guess it is ok.
In a lot of ways it has worked out better than expected.
This will help beginner programmers, get all these bad coding habits out of their systems.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@dande said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
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It is all hardcoded strings, that write to a file (help.txt).
Presumably to be opened later for help...
Why not just put that all in help.txt and ship it with the code? Unless you are getting paid per line of code, this is just ridiculous.
Pretty much meets and exceeds my definition of WTF.
Now I am confused.
In this thread, I learned that as long as something works as designed, then it is fine, but now it is not?
Way to troll and try and drag that argument here. Read the whole thread. If you disagree, argue it there.
Not much to argue about, just trying to apply what I have learned.
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@dande said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@dande said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
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It is all hardcoded strings, that write to a file (help.txt).
Presumably to be opened later for help...
Why not just put that all in help.txt and ship it with the code? Unless you are getting paid per line of code, this is just ridiculous.
Pretty much meets and exceeds my definition of WTF.
Now I am confused.
In this thread, I learned that as long as something works as designed, then it is fine, but now it is not?
Way to troll and try and drag that argument here. Read the whole thread. If you disagree, argue it there.
Not much to argue about, just trying to apply what I have learned.
If you learn reading comprehension next, you might be on a path to something.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@dande said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
ROFLMFAO
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As long as it works as designed, I guess it is ok.
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It is all hardcoded strings, that write to a file (help.txt).
Presumably to be opened later for help...
Why not just put that all in help.txt and ship it with the code? Unless you are getting paid per line of code, this is just ridiculous.
Pretty much meets and exceeds my definition of WTF.
geeze I was thinking about doing the same with the cript.txt file (just so everything is in one exe) efficiency doesn't matter anymore.
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@dande said:
Now I am confused.
In this thread, I learned that as long as something works as designed, then it is fine, but now it is not?
That thread is nothing but banter. It should be rated "worse than failure."
This one is shaping up to be slightly better.
We need to bring back the mug.
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Lowly encryption is good enough
@MarcB said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Final clues
the encryption file cript.txt is at:
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/cript.txt
It is used to shuffle the characters around during encryption
the search excutable is at:
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/search.exe
Rot-37 (or so) is your encryption? I got more secure encryption out of a cereal box this morning... If you wanted real security, you could XOR the data with the passphrase 'susageP', just like Microsoft did in early version of WinCE for storing NT passwords. If Microsoft does it, it must be industrial strength, you know.
So how's life in Troll land anyways? We don't take enough time to find out enough about each other on this forum... tell us about yourself. Is the sky blue in your world? Birds grounded and pigs airborne? 1 + 1 = 3 for sufficiently large values of 1?
I don't believe in encryption either. The program needed a Search and replace option. It was the next logical step to test that out for encryption.
It could be made more difficult to unravel if I did a few word changes to long obscure statements then encrypt. Reversing those edits later???
Ie change " and " to "these forums need more clues"
change " the " to " desktop search is great "
etc etc then do the encryption. It would be pretty messy.
The Main rule is keep nothing incriminating on your computer. Write it down and bury it.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@MarcB said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Final clues
the encryption file cript.txt is at:
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/cript.txt
It is used to shuffle the characters around during encryption
the search excutable is at:
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/search.exe
Rot-37 (or so) is your encryption? I got more secure encryption out of a cereal box this morning... If you wanted real security, you could XOR the data with the passphrase 'susageP', just like Microsoft did in early version of WinCE for storing NT passwords. If Microsoft does it, it must be industrial strength, you know.
So how's life in Troll land anyways? We don't take enough time to find out enough about each other on this forum... tell us about yourself. Is the sky blue in your world? Birds grounded and pigs airborne? 1 + 1 = 3 for sufficiently large values of 1?
I don't believe in encryption either. The program needed a Search and replace option. It was the next logical step to test that out for encryption.
It could be made more difficult to unravel if I did a few word changes to long obscure statements then encrypt. Reversing those edits later???
Ie change " and " to "these forums need more clues"
change " the " to " desktop search is great "
etc etc then do the encryption. It would be pretty messy.
The Main rule is keep nothing incriminating on your computer. Write it down and bury it.
It is truly amazing the NSA or DoD hasn't found and hired you yet! Who cares if you are a Canadian? I am sure you could teach those guys a thing or two!
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I don't believe in encryption either.
It was the next logical step to test that out for encryption.
etc etc then do the encryption.
<acerbicRemark />
To be fair this guy is probably one of the better trolls. Just about believeable, but far out enough to make me howl with laughter.
And if your serious SpectateSwamp, and that software wasnt written purely for amusing us, then fuck me you need to get some nous.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
geeze I was thinking about doing the same with the cript.txt file (just so everything is in one exe) efficiency doesn't matter anymore.
Well, with yout cript file being so simple, you could write code to generate the mapping that would be much smaller than that file, so that would be a good idea. Your code to generate help.txt is larger than the generated file, though. So efficiency has nothing to do with including it in the exe.
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@VisualD said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
I don't believe in encryption either.
It was the next logical step to test that out for encryption.
etc etc then do the encryption.
<acerbicRemark />
To be fair this guy is probably one of the better trolls. Just about believeable, but far out enough to make me howl with laughter.
And if your serious SpectateSwamp, and that software wasnt written purely for amusing us, then fuck me you need to get some nous.Not many people would use that kind of awful 'encryption'... but this guy even does it the worst way possible... If he is serious, he would have truly had to work hard at being this bad.
He makes me sad if he is a troll, and even sadder if he is not.
But you could only imagine him not being a troll if you completely ignore his history.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@El_Heffe said:
HAHAHA AWESOME!
from what i've read so far, that is quite the accurate response. hell, even the code in my sig is better
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@SpectateSwamp said:
In a lot of ways it has worked out better than expected.
This will help beginner programmers, get all these bad coding habits out of their systems.
Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Why did you name it "cript" with an i, when you obviously know how to spell "encrYption"!?
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@Soviut said:
Why did you name it "cript" with an i, when you obviously know how to spell "encrYption"!?
Maybe it was a brief flash of common sense, as he realized that what cript.txt is used for is nothing like encryption...
And then *poof* it was gone.
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I can't believe you try to video tape your books! Not only are there resolution issues, but the entire thing is unsearchable! I can't search a video for a particular quote, not without manually reading through the whole thing over again. Stupid idea, stupid implementation, stupid stupid stupid!
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Check out how he posts video online:
http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/141485.aspx
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Ever notice how the biggest trolls get the longest threads on this forum? Not saying it's surprising.
And, for fear of mentioning everyone's favorite troll: H1-B Admits To Being "Modern Day Slave" But speaking of which, I think we have another Brice Richards or TR on our hands.
The only non-troll thread I've seen that got more posts than these was the Youtube 0.1 thread.
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@belgariontheking said:
Ever notice how the biggest trolls get the longest threads on this forum? Not saying it's surprising.
And, for fear of mentioning everyone's favorite troll: H1-B Admits To Being "Modern Day Slave" But speaking of which, I think we have another Brice Richards or TR on our hands.
The only non-troll thread I've seen that got more posts than these was the Youtube 0.1 thread.
No doubt SpectateSwamp is a troll, but we should all know that already. There is a long history of him on this site and others. Just about all of his threads get locked, and he has been banned from many of those sites.
I think we all know TunnelRat was a troll...
But where do you see any trolling in Windows Vista WTF? a = a?
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
But where do you see any trolling in Windows Vista WTF? a = a?
In a=a, the post ("Fictional people don't count") was obviously a troll because it was designed to incite an emotional response. The response and counter-response went on for four+ pages.
In Window Vista WTF, I just hated that thread. Banter back and forth between Death and MPS. I didn't learn anything, and quickly lost track of what the original argument was. Sorry for confusing a bad thread for a troll, but if I went back and read it, I'm sure I'd find a troll somewhere.
Also, I went back to one from CPound, about him wanting to find grannies to rip off by making websites for them, but it didn't get a huge response. Best trolling thread I've seen, though.
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This guy is not just a troll. When a troll exhibits this level of "EPIC FAIL" you have to assume they are mildly retarded or just plain insane. A good troll would exhibit skillful usage of English to entice people to bite.
In fact, everybody knows that a good flame-war is fun from time to time. Trolling to a small degree is a pretty natural thing to do online, where anonymity and lack of consequences can make an argument more exaggerated/fun.
[img]http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/fail.jpg[/img]
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@djork said:
This guy is not just a troll. When a troll exhibits this level of "EPIC FAIL" you have to assume they are mildly retarded or just plain insane. A good troll would exhibit skillful usage of English to entice people to bite.
In fact, everybody knows that a good flame-war is fun. Trolling to a small degree is a pretty natural thing to do online, where anonymity and lack of consequences can make an argument more exaggerated/fun.
[img]http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/fail.jpg[/img]
Best.Use.Of.This.Picture.Ever
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@belgariontheking said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
But where do you see any trolling in Windows Vista WTF? a = a?
In a=a, the post ("Fictional people don't count") was obviously a troll because it was designed to incite an emotional response. The response and counter-response went on for four+ pages.
In Window Vista WTF, I just hated that thread. Banter back and forth between Death and MPS. I didn't learn anything, and quickly lost track of what the original argument was. Sorry for confusing a bad thread for a troll, but if I went back and read it, I'm sure I'd find a troll somewhere.
Also, I went back to one from CPound, about him wanting to find grannies to rip off by making websites for them, but it didn't get a huge response. Best trolling thread I've seen, though.
Alright, I must have missed that post in a=a... or maybe it didn't seem offensive to me... I dunno.
I am pretty sure the whole religious debate started on my post about Jesus steal hub caps from cars. This was a reference to a song, and clearly is talking about a Mexican named Jesus... not the religious figure. Of course, I had no intent on starting a religious war, but I found it pretty funny and interesting afterwards. Touchy subject I guess. Honestly, I thought I *might * get someone with Mexican descent telling me I was an asshole or something, but I never thought religious people would be offended. But whatever. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't seen as a troll, because it certainly wasn't intended that way.
As for Windows Vista WTF, yes we all know you hated that thread. You did have the option of not reading though. And yes, I would agree it got off track way too many times. What thread doesn't?
Troll? No. I can't even really lie and say there was much of that from anyone I was arguing against. I consider it a good debate. I got tired of MS bashing with nothing to back it up, and decided to push for real facts and see if they hold water. At least for once, it was a two sided debate instead of "I hate M$!" and 40 "Me too!" replies.
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Don't be so lazy soviut
@Soviut said:
I can't believe you try to video tape your books! Not only are there resolution issues, but the entire thing is unsearchable! I can't search a video for a particular quote, not without manually reading through the whole thing over again. Stupid idea, stupid implementation, stupid stupid stupid!
Catalog the page starts that's all. Why wait forever for some automated procedure. Lazy SOB lazy lazy lazy.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
I would agree it got off track way too many times. What thread doesn't?
I agree. If getting off topic were bad, we'd probably have a response limit, encouraging posters to stay on topic. Maybe I'm rambling now. What was the original topic? Oh yeah, automatic page-turners.
I'd have to say that filming your books and then OCRing them is nothing short of inefficient.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@Soviut said:
I can't believe you try to video tape your books! Not only are there resolution issues, but the entire thing is unsearchable! I can't search a video for a particular quote, not without manually reading through the whole thing over again. Stupid idea, stupid implementation, stupid stupid stupid!
Catalog the page starts that's all. Why wait forever for some automated procedure. Lazy SOB lazy lazy lazy.
You have got to be BY FAR the dumbest person I have ever experienced.
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I vote for "not a troll." Did anyone look at this guy's code? Not only is it a horrible mess, but it's the kind of mess that can only be made by an unskilled developer that spends years on the codebase. Heck, he even dates his comments (an attempt at version control I guess). My idea of a troll is someone that swoops in, starts making outrageous remarks, then flees just as quickly. This guy's got some staying power and has branched out into multiple forums.
This is a classic case of "But I wore the juice." Average people think they're average, smart people think they're smart, but dumb people think they're smart, too. Poor guy is convinced that his idea is the way of the future (nothing wrong with that) but doesn't have any talent to back it up. Instead of embracing criticism, he shrugs it off because he KNOWS he's right and the rest of the world hasn't caught up to him.
Come to think of it, this reminds me of that other guy that was sure passing information between processes via the clipboard was the best thing since sliced bread. These 2 would make an awesome pair-programming team!
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@Outlaw Programmer said:
I vote for "not a troll." Did anyone look at this guy's code? Not only is it a horrible mess, but it's the kind of mess that can only be made by an unskilled developer that spends years on the codebase. Heck, he even dates his comments (an attempt at version control I guess). My idea of a troll is someone that swoops in, starts making outrageous remarks, then flees just as quickly. This guy's got some staying power and has branched out into multiple forums.
This is a classic case of "But I wore the juice." Average people think they're average, smart people think they're smart, but dumb people think they're smart, too. Poor guy is convinced that his idea is the way of the future (nothing wrong with that) but doesn't have any talent to back it up. Instead of embracing criticism, he shrugs it off because he KNOWS he's right and the rest of the world hasn't caught up to him.
Come to think of it, this reminds me of that other guy that was sure passing information between processes via the clipboard was the best thing since sliced bread. These 2 would make an awesome pair-programming team!
The clipboard guy was Brice Richards, as has been pointed out many times.
You might be right, but this is the same guy who posts hunting and trapping videos to nature photography forums.
I vote troll, followed by mental illness.
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It's who laughs last that laughs loudest.
Laugh all you want. You are just displaying the reasons for your ClueLessNess.
You don't see Desktop Search for the Spelling Errors. You don't see Desktop Search for "goto" statements. You don't see Desktop Search for "Bad Code" But don't be Worry. I haven't given up on you yet.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Laugh all you want. You are just displaying the reasons for your ClueLessNess.
You don't see Desktop Search for the Spelling Errors. You don't see Desktop Search for "goto" statements. You don't see Desktop Search for "Bad Code" But don't be Worry. I haven't given up on you yet.
But apparently you HAVE given up on the English language.
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OK never mind I change my vote to troll...
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@Outlaw Programmer said:
OK never mind I change my vote to troll...
Hate to say I told you so...
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@Outlaw Programmer said:
OK never mind I change my vote to troll...
Hate to say I told you so...
But you have to admit, as far as trolls go this guy's got it down pat. Now, assuming he is a troll, then he has made purposeful choices throughout that code to make it the huge WTF it is. That means that he picked the craziest possible solution. Does that mean that he also knew the best possible solution (and just took the exact opposite of that). If so, does that mean that he's actually a good programmer?! My new theory is that he created an advanced Neural Network to classify all of the articles on this site, then used it to generate the world's goofiest program. The AI also takes care of registering for message board accounts and posting inane comments. Come to think of it, his posting style is vaguely familiar in the "No Quack" sense...
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Desktop Search ShowDown looms.
@Outlaw Programmer said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@Outlaw Programmer said:
OK never mind I change my vote to troll...
Hate to say I told you so...
But you have to admit, as far as trolls go this guy's got it down pat. Now, assuming he is a troll, then he has made purposeful choices throughout that code to make it the huge WTF it is. That means that he picked the craziest possible solution. Does that mean that he also knew the best possible solution (and just took the exact opposite of that). If so, does that mean that he's actually a good programmer?! My new theory is that he created an advanced Neural Network to classify all of the articles on this site, then used it to generate the world's goofiest program. The AI also takes care of registering for message board accounts and posting inane comments. Come to think of it, his posting style is vaguely familiar in the "No Quack" sense...
I'd like to have a copy of all the articles on this site. I know you are talking behind my back. I just know.
I need one or two brave souls to step forward to help in the Search ShowDown. With this simple code. Video, Music, Pictures and text. We'll show them why and how desktop search is important to the masses. They got their blinders on. So it won't be easy.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I'd like to have a copy of all the articles on this site. I know you are talking behind my back. I just know.
I need one or two brave souls to step forward to help in the Search ShowDown. With this simple code. Video, Music, Pictures and text. We'll show them why and how desktop search is important to the masses. They got their blinders on. So it won't be easy.
Sell me. Why is your product better than beagle, recoil or SearchMonkey? I'm actually looking at recoil ATM, I'd rather not be dependant on Mono or Gnome libraries, anyone have any other suggestions?
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I just wanted to say that this is my favorite line in the source for this program and is a perfect representation of the quality of the entire thing:
aaa = "dummydummydummydummydummydummy" 'some how forces the full date time to print????
Lingerance: There's also Tracker, I've used it a bit and it's good as far as I can tell.
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@Lingerance said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
I'd like to have a copy of all the articles on this site. I know you are talking behind my back. I just know.
Sell me. Why is your product better than beagle, recoil or SearchMonkey? I'm actually looking at recoil ATM, I'd rather not be dependant on Mono or Gnome libraries, anyone have any other suggestions?
I need one or two brave souls to step forward to help in the Search ShowDown. With this simple code. Video, Music, Pictures and text. We'll show them why and how desktop search is important to the masses. They got their blinders on. So it won't be easy.Oh come on! Don't feed the troll! Go look at his other 50,000 forum posts on other sites and you can see exactly what this moron is going to preach to you.
You couldn't tell from his signature there is nothing going on in that head of his? He is going to replace Windows, Mac and Linux with VB6 code? That has never even been proven to work?
This is on the same level as people who actually click on spam links...
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Laugh all you want. You are just displaying the reasons for your ClueLessNess.
You don't see Desktop Search for the Spelling Errors. You don't see Desktop Search for "goto" statements. You don't see Desktop Search for "Bad Code" But don't be Worry. I haven't given up on you yet.
Personally, I don't care about the "quality" of the code behind an application, as long as it's reasonable stable, does what it's supposed to, and doesn't have too many bugs. Frankly, yours is a steaming pile of unmaintainable spaghetti (nay, scratch that, it's a steaming pile of Alphabits) code, but since we don't have to work with it, it doesn't enter into the equation. So we'll leave the quality (or lack thereof) out of this discussion.
But your assertion that this app will solve all our problems (balance our checkbook, win the lotto, get us that supermodel girlfriend, etc...) is something we CAN work with.
So, let's look at it this way. How exactly do you "search" video? To my mind, searching video would be a matter of "find all videos where person X is present, music Y is playing, filmed on/around date Z, and contains a wooden table". Perhaps a much simpler query, using your example... "what time index is page 297 of War and Peace filmed on, in which video file".
How exactly does your app accomplish this? Where's the code that can parse the video, decode the frames, and figure out where the page flips are? Where's the OCR code to 'read' the text on all those filmed pages? Where's the English parser which can scan for the title and author of the work in question? What about support for non-English books? Can DesktopSearch do its magic on a video of a book in German? French? Arabic? What about Kanji or Cantonese? Can it detect which direction the text is to be read in? Left->Right? Right-Left? Top->Bottom? Alternating directions?
It's quite simple: Your app does none of this. To call it a "Search" program is laughable at best. At most you could try and position it as a cataloguing app. You must enter all the relevant metadata yourself. Watch the video, manually type up time indexes, manually enter page numbers, manually enter author/title information. In other words, what most other TRUE search programs like what comes with Vista or Google Desktop do automatically, your app requires us to do manually.
Like I stated earlier, I have around 2.3TB of storage here. Some's video, some's plain text, some's .tar.gz backups of web applications, etc... If your application was to become my solution to finding anything, I would have to manually go through 2.3 quadrillion bytes of data and build an index of it all myself. How is this efficient? I don't know how fast Vista's or Google Desktop's indexing actually is, but I'm quite certain both will finish building their index long before I go through the first few minutes of a video of War and Peace.
As such, your app is barely better than building an index manually in notepad and using the standard ctrl-F (Edit|Find) functionality to "search" your "desktop". And given the interface design, undoubtedly it's much less efficient.
Another thought experiment... You advocate the digitization of books by filming them with a camcorder and storing the .avi (or .dv or .mov, whatever format you care to use) as a more efficient "container" for the book's content. Let's pick some reasonable numbers out of a hat. We're digitizing a book of 500 pages. It's pure text, no illustrations or diagrams. We'll figure it takes around 6 seconds for each page to be flipped and stabilized enough to get a clear capture of it on the camera. So that's 50 minutes of video for this book. If we're using a DV camera for this, that'd be around 11 gigabytes of video data (DV is approximately 12 gigabyte per hour of video). Let's convert the video to DiVX, at a bitrate sufficient to keep things clear and legible, i.e: DVD quality. That would produce a .avi file of around 400 megabytes.
If the book had been OCR'd into a text file, we'd have perhaps 2 megabytes of data. How is it more efficient to store this book as a .DV video at 12 gigabytes or a 400meg .avi, and have to MANUALLY generate an index of its metadata (time offset, page number, etc...), than to store the book as a .txt file, which can be easily search by even Notepad and contain all that metadata automatically?
Answer these questions with reasonable answers, and please, do not simply continue to say that we should try desktop search for ourselves. It's up to you to sell it to us, convince us of how useful it is. Explain to us how your code accomplishes what you claim it does, and perhaps we'll give it a try. Until then, we'll stick with our own solutions and methods, as we know they work.
You're the outsider, prove that your way is better.
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I could use help cataloging some video.
@MarcB said:
Finally somebody who isn't just picking on my coding style.Personally, I don't care about the "quality" of the code behind an application, as long as it's reasonable stable, does what it's supposed to, and doesn't have too many bugs. Frankly, yours is a steaming pile of unmaintainable spaghetti (nay, scratch that, it's a steaming pile of Alphabits) code, but since we don't have to work with it, it doesn't enter into the equation. So we'll leave the quality (or lack thereof) out of this discussion.
If you want to help out in the Showdown maybe we can get close to some supermodels. (or maybe you will be on the OTHER side?) Right now I do the video cataloging by hand. I sure would like to know of an app that would do this step like you describe. Dump that info to a file and a little massaging and it should work fine with this search.
Here is an example of what I have to do to catalog 1 short 2 minute video. I have 159 more short ones I'd like to catalog. I could sure use that app you are talking about.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_UMQReyTt_A
If I had access to your computer. In minutes I would be randomly viewing and playing your jpgs, bmps, mpg, mp3 and more. Random will show you stuff you forgot you had. If I had all my video loaded I'd have 20% of the data you have. That's not a problem for this search. If you have other formats you need. Then change the code to handle them. And I thank you.
I would video in a book. Just so I could read it from my laptop when away from home. That is a pretty poor example. I surely would video in any legal papers that I didn't want to lose. Grandmas cook book would be a good subject.
The real reasons for search are more subtle. Blazingly quick notepad. Neet screen saver with video, pics and music intermixed. No indexing. A great way to keep passwords and url's for various forums. My data is portable and easily shared.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
That's not a problem for this search. If you have other formats you need. Then change the code to handle them. And I thank you.
You expect the uninitiated to just delve into your code? wtf. If you had a config file that listed all the valid searchable extensions, that would be okay, though. Easy to add or delete extensions.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I would video in a book. Just so I could read it from my laptop when away from home. That is a pretty poor example. I surely would video in any legal papers that I didn't want to lose. Grandmas cook book would be a good subject.
As opposed to bringing the book along with you? Staring at a computer screen for that long is harder on the eyes than reading a book. Plus, computer screens are harder to read when outside on the beach. Books are not harder to read in that environment.
Legal documents? Should just scan them. They're not in a difficult to scan format (In other words, they don't have a tight binding). Then you can OCR them and truly make them searchable.
Cookbook? I'm having trouble visualizing where having a video of a cookbook would be better than having the actual thing. So you can share the video? good luck sharing 2GB+ easily. I tend to want to keep my laptop away from food, so it wouldn't help while actually cooking.
@SpectateSwamp said:
A great way to keep passwords and url's for various forums. My data is portable and easily shared.
So I can easily share my passwords? sold!
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Desktop Search & Video (Way powerful)
@belgariontheking said:
So I can easily share my passwords? sold!
Search is about having access to your data. Passwords and all. On a personal level I have no problem with people finding any of my data. All I need is a good backup.
My example on video is still poor. The thing you can do with legal stuff on video is pick them apart. Calling B.S. and expose the corruption. That's what video can do.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
If I had access to your computer. In minutes I would be randomly viewing and playing your jpgs, bmps, mpg, mp3 and more. Random will show you stuff you forgot you had. If I had all my video loaded I'd have 20% of the data you have. That's not a problem for this search. If you have other formats you need. Then change the code to handle them. And I thank you.
I would video in a book. Just so I could read it from my laptop when away from home. That is a pretty poor example. I surely would video in any legal papers that I didn't want to lose. Grandmas cook book would be a good subject.
The real reasons for search are more subtle. Blazingly quick notepad. Neet screen saver with video, pics and music intermixed. No indexing. A great way to keep passwords and url's for various forums. My data is portable and easily shared.
You haven't answered any of my questions. Your video simply proves our point. Your application is not a "search" app, it is purely a manual-entry database to catalog random data.
I have no doubt that within minutes of sitting down at my computer you'd be playing random video clips. So would I if I sat down at your computer. That's just a matter of popping up a directory and randomly double clicking. I don't need your spaghetti code to do that. A mouse and closing my eyes is more than sufficient.
Again, I ask you, how is it more efficient to drag about multi-hundreds of megabytes of videos of book pages being turned, when it is FAR easier to carry around a .txt file of the same books? Video is massively inneficient for transporting data. I've got possibly around 500 books here in my office alone. Making videos of all those would probably easily exceed a petabyte of just .DV video files. The same books in .txt format might possibly slightly exceed 50megabytes, a few hundred megs more for good quality .jpg scans of any diagrams/illustrations.
Then with your app I would have sit down and manually catalogue the page breaks in each and every one of those videos, JUST so I could "search" for it later. Again, I ask you how is this more efficient? I have a job. I have work to do. I would have to dedicate the rest of my life to catalogueing my data, just so I could have the "privilege" of using your program. That's NOT how a desktop search program works. It does the indexing/catalogueing FOR ME. Not the other way around.
In other words, no matter how you want to position your search app, it is useless for anyone but you, as you apparently DO have the time to catalogue your video files. Must be nice to have that much free time.
Why is it that you think video is the ultimate storage format? Why make a video of a legal document, when a hi-res .JPG scan of the same document would be both better quality, much smaller file size, and easier to read without having to record time indexes and freeze-frame information? The same for books. What quality do you keep your video files in? You tube? Youtube videos are perhaps 320x240, any text information of a full-page capture of a book would be completely lost at that resolution. A video at a resolution sufficiently large to maintain text legibility is ALWAYS larger than a still image of the same resolution.
Or perhaps you store everything as MJPEG videos, with each frame being a single hi-res scan of a page. That's doable, but why bother with the video in that case? I'd much rather have a series of files that are named as follows:
War_and_Peace-Page 001.jpg
War_and_Peace-Page 002.jpg
....
War_and_Peace-Page 503.jpg
than "War_and_Peace.avi". Which method would easier to search? The jpgs, of course, You wouldn't even need your "search" program to locate exactly what you want, as the information would be right there in front of you in the directory listing.
So, for one final time, I ask you, tell us exactly why your application is better than a neat series of directories and properly-named files?
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Everybody needs Desktop Search Even MarcB
@MarcB said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Give me a minute. I have a few questions of my own.If I had access to your computer. In minutes I would be randomly viewing and playing your jpgs, bmps, mpg, mp3 and more. Random will show you stuff you forgot you had. If I had all my video loaded I'd have 20% of the data you have. That's not a problem for this search. If you have other formats you need. Then change the code to handle them. And I thank you.
I would video in a book. Just so I could read it from my laptop when away from home. That is a pretty poor example. I surely would video in any legal papers that I didn't want to lose. Grandmas cook book would be a good subject.
The real reasons for search are more subtle. Blazingly quick notepad. Neet screen saver with video, pics and music intermixed. No indexing. A great way to keep passwords and url's for various forums. My data is portable and easily shared.
You haven't answered any of my questions. Your video simply proves our point. Your application is not a "search" app, it is purely a manual-entry database to catalog random data.
I have no doubt that within minutes of sitting down at my computer you'd be playing random video clips. So would I if I sat down at your computer. That's just a matter of popping up a directory and randomly double clicking. I don't need your spaghetti code to do that. A mouse and closing my eyes is more than sufficient.
Again, I ask you, how is it more efficient to drag about multi-hundreds of megabytes of videos of book pages being turned, when it is FAR easier to carry around a .txt file of the same books? Video is massively inneficient for transporting data. I've got possibly around 500 books here in my office alone. Making videos of all those would probably easily exceed a petabyte of just .DV video files. The same books in .txt format might possibly slightly exceed 50megabytes, a few hundred megs more for good quality .jpg scans of any diagrams/illustrations.
Then with your app I would have sit down and manually catalogue the page breaks in each and every one of those videos, JUST so I could "search" for it later. Again, I ask you how is this more efficient? I have a job. I have work to do. I would have to dedicate the rest of my life to catalogueing my data, just so I could have the "privilege" of using your program. That's NOT how a desktop search program works. It does the indexing/catalogueing FOR ME. Not the other way around.
In other words, no matter how you want to position your search app, it is useless for anyone but you, as you apparently DO have the time to catalogue your video files. Must be nice to have that much free time.
Why is it that you think video is the ultimate storage format? Why make a video of a legal document, when a hi-res .JPG scan of the same document would be both better quality, much smaller file size, and easier to read without having to record time indexes and freeze-frame information? The same for books. What quality do you keep your video files in? You tube? Youtube videos are perhaps 320x240, any text information of a full-page capture of a book would be completely lost at that resolution. A video at a resolution sufficiently large to maintain text legibility is ALWAYS larger than a still image of the same resolution.
Or perhaps you store everything as MJPEG videos, with each frame being a single hi-res scan of a page. That's doable, but why bother with the video in that case? I'd much rather have a series of files that are named as follows:
War_and_Peace-Page 001.jpg
War_and_Peace-Page 002.jpg
....
War_and_Peace-Page 503.jpg
than "War_and_Peace.avi". Which method would easier to search? The jpgs, of course, You wouldn't even need your "search" program to locate exactly what you want, as the information would be right there in front of you in the directory listing.
So, for one final time, I ask you, tell us exactly why your application is better than a neat series of directories and properly-named files?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@MarcB said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Give me a minute. I have a few questions of my own.If I had access to your computer. In minutes I would be randomly viewing and playing your jpgs, bmps, mpg, mp3 and more. Random will show you stuff you forgot you had. If I had all my video loaded I'd have 20% of the data you have. That's not a problem for this search. If you have other formats you need. Then change the code to handle them. And I thank you.
I would video in a book. Just so I could read it from my laptop when away from home. That is a pretty poor example. I surely would video in any legal papers that I didn't want to lose. Grandmas cook book would be a good subject.
The real reasons for search are more subtle. Blazingly quick notepad. Neet screen saver with video, pics and music intermixed. No indexing. A great way to keep passwords and url's for various forums. My data is portable and easily shared.
You haven't answered any of my questions. Your video simply proves our point. Your application is not a "search" app, it is purely a manual-entry database to catalog random data.
I have no doubt that within minutes of sitting down at my computer you'd be playing random video clips. So would I if I sat down at your computer. That's just a matter of popping up a directory and randomly double clicking. I don't need your spaghetti code to do that. A mouse and closing my eyes is more than sufficient.
Again, I ask you, how is it more efficient to drag about multi-hundreds of megabytes of videos of book pages being turned, when it is FAR easier to carry around a .txt file of the same books? Video is massively inneficient for transporting data. I've got possibly around 500 books here in my office alone. Making videos of all those would probably easily exceed a petabyte of just .DV video files. The same books in .txt format might possibly slightly exceed 50megabytes, a few hundred megs more for good quality .jpg scans of any diagrams/illustrations.
Then with your app I would have sit down and manually catalogue the page breaks in each and every one of those videos, JUST so I could "search" for it later. Again, I ask you how is this more efficient? I have a job. I have work to do. I would have to dedicate the rest of my life to catalogueing my data, just so I could have the "privilege" of using your program. That's NOT how a desktop search program works. It does the indexing/catalogueing FOR ME. Not the other way around.
In other words, no matter how you want to position your search app, it is useless for anyone but you, as you apparently DO have the time to catalogue your video files. Must be nice to have that much free time.
Why is it that you think video is the ultimate storage format? Why make a video of a legal document, when a hi-res .JPG scan of the same document would be both better quality, much smaller file size, and easier to read without having to record time indexes and freeze-frame information? The same for books. What quality do you keep your video files in? You tube? Youtube videos are perhaps 320x240, any text information of a full-page capture of a book would be completely lost at that resolution. A video at a resolution sufficiently large to maintain text legibility is ALWAYS larger than a still image of the same resolution.
Or perhaps you store everything as MJPEG videos, with each frame being a single hi-res scan of a page. That's doable, but why bother with the video in that case? I'd much rather have a series of files that are named as follows:
War_and_Peace-Page 001.jpg
War_and_Peace-Page 002.jpg
....
War_and_Peace-Page 503.jpg
than "War_and_Peace.avi". Which method would easier to search? The jpgs, of course, You wouldn't even need your "search" program to locate exactly what you want, as the information would be right there in front of you in the directory listing.
So, for one final time, I ask you, tell us exactly why your application is better than a neat series of directories and properly-named files?
No doubt one of those questions should be: "Where are my pills?"
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Cataloging takes time. Do it as you go.
Random was added to make search more fun. Reduces boredom also.Randomly double clicking. This one can display them at 20 to 30 a second. For hours if I want it.
500 books - I'm talking about maybe videoing in a handwritten copy of a cook book chatting it up as to when and where grandma would make these meals. Video can add way more than any scan. DVD's cost less than 25 Cents. So where is the problem?
I would have to sit down and manually catalogue data. Well history data especially when you have that much is almost impossible to get around to. Even if you have other helper apps. But you could start with the stuff you need today. Screen captures of this error notes on that. The odd video clip explaining something else. It took 2 of us nearly 2 months to scan and catalogue the family albums. There is no easy solution.
Why make video of a legal document. A friend of mine got royally screwed in international trade and the papers proved it. We videoed these in, at the sametime bad mouthing the trade officials along with showing their pictures. I'll have to dig up some of that. Far more powerful than any old scan
Single hi-res scan of a page. I haven't used my scanner in 5 years. I take video and pictures of things I want on the computer. Don't get me wrong I have lots of Jpgs around. Camera, old scans and (prt/scr) screen captures to jpg. When you have lots of data like you have. This app will show you some things.
War_and_Peace.avi. I'd sooner have the War_and_Peace.txt with all the text for searching and reading a page at a time. This app is best at mpg but does handle avi. Grandma's cook book or trashing legal papers work good on video.
People don't have scanners they have camcorders in their telephones. They need a way to start organizing all that video. You are too far behind the curve to be helped. Sorry.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Laugh all you want. You are just displaying the reasons for your ClueLessNess.
You don't see Desktop Search for the Spelling Errors. You don't see Desktop Search for "goto" statements. You don't see Desktop Search for "Bad Code" But don't be Worry. I haven't given up on you yet.
throw new ClueLessNessException("
This reminds me a lot of HouseholdHacker. The staying power is the ability to be completely artarded and ridiculous, but then to throw in just enough credibility to seem legitimate. The credibility here is the appearance of being a genuinely poor programmer. I don't think anybody could ever seriously be quite this bad at it though. No, just like anyone who knows enough about electricity to realize that it's feasible to fabricate a battery from two electrodes and some sort of ionic solution certainly has to know that shorting a battery isn't going to intercept cell phone calls.I have to say, though, I've been thoroughly entertained by this during my lunch hour :)."
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Search is about having access to your data. Passwords and all. On a personal level I have no problem with people finding any of my data. All I need is a good backup.
This is the nail in the troll-coffin for me. Move along guys, nothing more to see here. No need to argue about the product when it's clear is just a joke anyway.
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@PerdidoPunk said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Laugh all you want. You are just displaying the reasons for your ClueLessNess.
You don't see Desktop Search for the Spelling Errors. You don't see Desktop Search for "goto" statements. You don't see Desktop Search for "Bad Code" But don't be Worry. I haven't given up on you yet.
throw new ClueLessNessException("
This reminds me a lot of HouseholdHacker. The staying power is the ability to be completely artarded and ridiculous, but then to throw in just enough credibility to seem legitimate. The credibility here is the appearance of being a genuinely poor programmer. I don't think anybody could ever seriously be quite this bad at it though. No, just like anyone who knows enough about electricity to realize that it's feasible to fabricate a battery from two electrodes and some sort of ionic solution certainly has to know that shorting a battery isn't going to intercept cell phone calls.I have to say, though, I've been thoroughly entertained by this during my lunch hour :)."
);I seem to be picking up a smell of mental illness more than anything else. I was convinced he was just a troll. But he really seems to be pouring his heart and soul into this, and little traces of retardedness show up in just about everything he has done online (go look at his videos of a movie playing on his monitor for example).
It is just sad this guy seems to really believe he is anything but stupid and/or crazy. I almost feel bad laughing at him. This must be what it would be like to stand in a mental asylum and laugh at the patients.
I had argued that he is just creating a really elaborate online trolling identity, but even if that was true it seems it would have to be a sign of mental illness. He mentions a lot of nuclear activity around his location... maybe there is a leak and the water is getting contaminated???
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