TIL transrace is possible.
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Continuing the discussion from On pronouns and sex:
Side note: does it make me cross race, to RP as a black person? And yes, someone did make racist remarks to my avatar. But it's better to not acknowledge them. The population at large did not care.
Apparently it does, as we are now free to identify as any race we want!
YAY
(whether the father or the daughter is changing their racial identity, at least one of them is, so still holds true).
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Or maybe I'm not all that good at satire.
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, how would that work?Would that mean when he's at his mom's family reunion, he says he's PR?
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I think that was just humour.
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Would that mean when he's at his mom's family reunion, he says he's PR?
...and then they're all like...FUCK GITHUB I HATE HATE HATE GIT. poop
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Happens every time I go down the transformers toy aisle.
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If my daughter gets ahead of me in a store, and I turn down an aisle following her more than 10 feet behind....
you better bet all eyes are on me.
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Apparently it does, as we are now free to identify as any race we want!
Awesome. I can finally become a Vulcan.
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If my daughter gets ahead of me in a store, and I turn down an aisle following her more than 10 feet behind....
you better bet all eyes are on me.
So it's less creepy when you're closer to her? I'll remember that for next time.
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So it's less creepy when you're closer to her?
People are more comfortable if I'm following her closely, because I'm her father.
But if I come around a corner from a distance, I can feel the tension.
People are weird in what they choose to ignore.
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When I'm far behind I'm usually yelling at my kid, so it's all good.
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Awesome. I can finally become a Vulcan.
Your preference for meaningless exclamations of emotions is illogical.
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I'm confused whether to like that or not.
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Liking would imply an emotional attachment to the content of the post.
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Although expressing agreement with the content of the message might be in order to build what humans call "social relations".
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Liking would imply an emotional attachment to the content of the post.
But all of the likes are from robots, so that can't be right.
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Cool. I'm gonna self-identify as Native American so I can open me a casino.
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Cool. I'm gonna self-identify as Native American so I can open me a casino.
Get in line...
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Zappa had something to say on this:
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That's not very good PR. We should bully them off of twitter.
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Look out @xaade, there's technology that might thwart your plans:
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Now do the SJW thing!
Anyone know what the SJW / Progressive consensus is on trans-racial people like Dozeal? I've read some scolding pieces (though not from that angle) on considering it to be the same category as trans-sexual, but none of them sound convincing. They come across as someone defending something as a knee jerk but not as a thought out thing.
I, for one, haven't come up with a good argument as to why it should be treated differently.
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I, for one, haven't come up with a good argument as to why it should be treated differently.
Neither have I, but it certainly feels like they are different. I think there is mileage in the argument that apart from the obvious stuff like skin colour, racial differences are purely societal, but when you get right down to it most gender differences are too.
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Neither have I, but it certainly feels like they are different.
Right...this seems to be what the arguments boil down to, which is to say: not really arguments. I'm sure at least @Gaska would back me up in saying they aren't rational.
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I'm ahead of most then, at least I admit my discomfort isn't founded on solid arguments.
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racial differences are purely societal
Which means they are actually cultural differences.
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Well, it's something you notice when you find an integrated inner-city. You'll see that all the kids act the same way, no matter race.
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On a different note, I'm playing cities: skylines.
I finally unlock university.
Put it and surround it with high density apartments (I thought dorms for the uni), then put a tourist spot in the center.
Rich people start visiting the tourist spot, and without a police department nearby, the only spot with crime is the tourist spot in the middle.Awesome.
Social justice in action.
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Gotta love Willie Sutton:
"Why do you rob banks?" "Because that's where the money is"
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I'm sure at least @Gaska would back me up in saying they aren't rational.
I haven't read any posts in this topic (including yours, except for what I quoted), so I can't say anything really. But because post can't be empty, I'll use the excuse that you pinged me to ask a rhetorical question to you all - does it really matter if arguments are rational? Or does it matter if there are any arguments at all? It's all about human interaction, right? We don't need arguments in our arguments to spend some time together, talking to each other.I'd say we don't even need other people to have a pleasant chat, though that might seem a little far-fetched for some of you.
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We don't need arguments in our arguments to spend some time together, talking to each other.
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Or does it matter if there are any arguments at all?
People are probably going to be angry about this one way or the other. If people want me to condemn this action as Wrong when I'm supposed to applaud some other (to me) equivalent action, then to me it matters if there are arguments.
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He didn't do anything illegal and they got him, so I'm going to protest by doing something illegal.
Join me.You're right. There's no need to think rationally about this.
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At least transrace is only slightly insane. I'm sure @xaade already knows about transablism.
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Brings whole new meaning to "I believe I can fly..... I believe I can touch the sky..."
What? You didn't say anything about ablism stopping at human ability.
I'm seriously disenfranchised here, having to walk about on the ground.
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Anyone know what the SJW / Progressive consensus is on trans-racial people like Dozeal?
I imagine everyone's consensus in THIS case is that she's a freaking nutbag faking hate crimes and other shit in an attempt to gain legitimacy in her blackness, and should probably be in jail for wasting everyone's time.
I can hardly be considered an "SJW", I don't give enough shits to warrior for justice. I'm not sure how "Progressive" fits into any of it since that generally refers to being pro-government keeping down the rich man and propping up the poor, which I don't think has any bearing on this? I suppose you can count me as "Progressive" if that means someone that thinks nobody should be in charge of how everyone else wants to run their lives, but that's not even remotely close to anyone's definition of Progressive. So, here is how I, being more or less neutral to all that other crap, feel about the situation...
If a non-schizo (ie, not batshit crazy like the lady in the OP) white person wants to be black, then whatever floats their boat. I don't think it should count for filling out things like scholarships targeted to minorities or such. But for social/job concerns, you're not supposed to be discriminated against by race anyway, so what difference does it make what color some dumbass thinks they are? If anyone was going to be pissed about this sort of thing, I'd think it'd be the minorities that'd be upset that they're having their situation co-opted midlife by someone that didn't have to live through the shit and whom could change back at any moment and not have to deal with it. Unless I guess we start doing skin graft operations to make the decision permanent?
Also, how has no one linked Dave Chappelle's Black White Supremacist skit yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u__W0Qa8v0k
or maybe they have and discosearch fails.
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What? I'm talking about the people who cut off their limbs because they feel like they aren't theirs.
I suppose you can count me as "Progressive" if that means someone that thinks nobody should be in charge of how everyone else wants to run their lives.
That makes you libertarian. Progressives are Marxist.
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That makes you libertarian. Progressives are Marxist.
yes, i amended my line to be more specific on that portion because it was kind of a shot out of nowhere without proper definitions there. I wasn't attempting to mold the definition of progressive to include me, just making a bad segue from boomzilla's question to my answer.
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Also, how has no one linked Dave Chappelle's Black White Supremacist skit yet?
Because Dave Chappelle isn't funny?
Just to bring the story full circle, this woman once sued for discrimination because she was too white
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/us/rachel-dolezal-quits-naacp-in-spokane.html?_r=0
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I imagine everyone's consensus in THIS case is that she's a freaking nutbag faking hate crimes and other shit in an attempt to gain legitimacy in her blackness, and should probably be in jail for wasting everyone's time.
That seems like dodging the question.
I'm not sure how "Progressive" fits into any of it since that generally refers to being pro-government keeping down the rich man and propping up the poor, which I don't think has any bearing on this?
The word is very slippery and stuff like this gets called "Progressive" all the time whether you want to believe it or not.
If a non-schizo (ie, not batshit crazy like the lady in the OP) white person wants to be black, then whatever floats their boat.
Yeah, I think we're in agreement here. Though...why shouldn't a crazy person be trans-whatever too? If you're going to exclude the mentally ill, you're probably excluding most of the people who would want to do this sort of thing. One could ask if the wrong-skin/gender/whatever is the cause or the symptom of the illness.
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I imagine everyone's consensus in THIS case is that she's a freaking nutbag faking hate crimes and other shit in an attempt to gain legitimacy in her blackness, and should probably be in jail for wasting everyone's time.
She's pretending to be black to benefit. So she's being black for black privileges.
Would people be as disgusted if someone were pretending to be white for white privileges?
No, they'd just point to white privileges and say those privileges are not just.
You can't be transgender unless gender roles exist.
So you can't be transracial unless racial roles exist.
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Progressives are culturally Marxist.
There's a lot more to progressivism than economics.
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@Magus said:
Progressives are culturally Marxist.
There's
a lot more tonothing in progressivismthanrelated to economicsother than spending moar money.And even that is driven by social policies.
At least from the rhetoric, the only time I've ever heard them caring about the economy is when they wanted to give banks a ton of money.
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You can't be transgender unless gender roles exist.
Other than the whole penis/vagina thing.
i will agree that if gender stereotypes werent so pervasive, and there were more representations of gender neutral/gay ideals, maybe some of these people would be more likely to identify as "themselves" rather than some gender.
But there is still the penis/vagina thing. Those arent social constructs.
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