Windows 10 can-of-worms, Episode II: @Mike_Hunt strikes back
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Never stayed working for such an employer for long. Life's too short to spend much of it in slavery.
? Oh $diety ... you're an HPC.
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Nope. I'm currently a very low-priced school netadmin, employed part time, putting in way more hours than they pay me for and enjoying the fuck out of every minute I spend at work.
Of the thirty years I've been making a living off this industry, only one was spent working for anything even vaguely resembling a huge creaking corporate. I only took that job because the project manager was an old personal friend, and even so it literally drove me insane. Not doing that again.
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Nope. I'm currently a very low-priced school netadmin, employed part time, putting in way more hours than they pay me for and enjoying the fuck out of every minute I spend at work.
Not getting paid for work sounds a lot more like slavery than getting paid for it but there being rules around abusing my time and availability .... I mean as far as definitions go. I'm sure some actual slaves enjoyed their work, too.
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No, slavery is where you have no choice but to turn up. An excellent job is the one where you turn up because you want to.
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No, slavery is where you have no choice but to turn up.
I can always stop showing up, but I get paid for every hour I work .... Slaves both couldn't stop showing up and didn't get paid for the work .... So I still fail to see how you're less of a slave.
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You're young. One day you will understand.
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You're young. One day you will understand.
True, but I fail to see how getting older would make me understand. I own my company.
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I fail to see how getting older would make me understand.
That kind of certainty is probably one of the nicest things about being young.
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I own my company.
That's a good way to avoid being forced to use tools you don't like.
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@rad131304 said:
I own my company.
That's a good way to avoid being forced to use tools you don't like.
And yet why do I understand the value of using the thing you're told to use by the person paying you .... huh. It's almost like I've been the cog in the wheel before and I understand that the boss may know I don't like what I'm being asked to do, but that it's part of my job description and it's expected that I do it because that's what I'm paid to do ...
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I understand that the boss may know I don't like what I'm being asked to do, but that it's part of my job description and it's expected that I do it because that's what I'm paid to do ...
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@rad131304 said:
I fail to see how getting older would make me understand.
That kind of certainty is probably one of the nicest things about being young.
AFAICT, it sounds like you think that I think getting older will somehow absolve me of the notion that not being compensated for effort is less close to slavery than being compensated for effort. I can guarantee you that will never be the case. There are lots of forms of compensation, not just money, and any job that doesn't compensate me for work I perform will soon be without my services, I can guarantee you that point.
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There are lots of forms of compensation, not just money, and any job that doesn't compensate me for work I perform will soon be without my services, I can guarantee you that point.
On that, you and I are in total agreement.
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@rad131304 said:
I understand that the boss may know I don't like what I'm being asked to do, but that it's part of my job description and it's expected that I do it because that's what I'm paid to do ...
And yet, you can still quit - mostly because getting paid for your work is, usually, not slavery. When you're not getting paid, yet working, that's closer to not getting paid and not being able to quit a job you don't like than getting paid and being able to quit a job you don't like.
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@rad131304 said:
There are lots of forms of compensation, not just money, and any job that doesn't compensate me for work I perform will soon be without my services, I can guarantee you that point.
On that, you and I are in total agreement.
Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack - rule of acquisition #109.
IOW, I can enjoy my job and still get paid for it.
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THAT NUMBER IS 5 I CAN'T TYPE A 5 NORMALLY BECAUSE ALEX IS A DUMB MOTHERFUCKER WHO PICKED THIS BROKEN BULLSHIT FORUM OF ASS FUCK I HATE THIS.
- Yeah, it really sucks.
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And I'm telling you from personal experience that acclimatising to The Ribbon is just not a thing that happens for some people, myself included.
It's been eight years since it appeared and WE STILL DO NOT LIKE IT.
You should change your avatar to an old dog, then.
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You're young. One day you will understand.
No, you're an idiot. Extra hours are the only thing you can't buy more of. You are giving away countless irreplaceable pieces of your one-and-only life. Are you going to disprove the claim that "on their deathbed, nobody has ever said they wished they had spent more time at the office?"
I learned 20 years ago that people will take as much as you're willing to put up with and give you back nothing for it. It's a shame you haven't yet.
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@blakeyrat said:
THAT NUMBER IS 5 I CAN'T TYPE A 5 NORMALLY BECAUSE ALEX IS A DUMB MOTHERFUCKER WHO PICKED THIS BROKEN BULLSHIT FORUM OF ASS FUCK I HATE THIS.
- Yeah, it really sucks.
or
5
####source:
5
or
5.
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5\.
because raisins?
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because raisins?
Well, none of what you did was a list, and that's what @blakeyrat was talking about.
Mark
downdumb is stupid, see, and the spec says it will forcibly renumber all lists, and, well, the 'rat likes to rant.
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Extra hours are the only thing you can't buy more of.
An extra hour is a net negative if it's an hour spent in easily avoidable suffering.
Also, an extra hour for Mythical Scientific Average User is not necessarily an extra hour for me.
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I learned 20 years ago that people will take as much as you're willing to put up with and give you back nothing for it. It's a shame you haven't yet.
I learned 30 years ago not to spend much time hanging out with people like that, let alone work for them.
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@rad131304 said:
because raisins?
Well, none of what you did was a list, and that's what @blakeyrat was talking about.
Mark
downdumb is stupid, see, and the spec says it will forcibly renumber all lists, and, well, the 'rat likes to rant.It looked to me like he was trying to type the number 5 followed by a full stop (a.k.a. period); which would be interpreted by Mark
downfail as a list. Again, because raisins.
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UAC would be the best thing ever if Microsoft didn't unwittingly train millions of people to just click OK on any dialog ever. Seriously, Joe Schmuck doesn't care whether GRUMPYCAT.EXE required elevated something- if tthat's what it takes, that's what it takes.
Also, it really needs a per-application "don't ask again" setting. I don't know how feasible it is, but having a number of UAC dialogs pop up on startup just contributes to the first point.
As for the Ribbon... Haven't we had this discussion before?
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Weird question: Does Windows 8 turn automatic updating back on without your knowledge? I always keep it off and update manually now and then, but today I boot up and the dumb little Win 10 icon is there and I find out automatic updates have been on since April 28, and I definitely haven't done anything with it since then.
(Come at me hackers, your malware is nothing compared to the misery of the Windows update installer)
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OP sounds like he wants some TempleOS
It's got everything. Nice simple menus and window system. It even runs 100% in ring 0!!!! Fuck UAC!!
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Why do so many people insist on deliberately weakening their machine's security?
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UAC dialogs pop up on startup
I don't think I've ever had that. What kind of things do you have in your startup?
Why do so many people insist on deliberately weakening their machine's security?
Why do you insist on arguing like Blakey recently?
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Most people will hit the Java updater. Me, I use WhatPulse, which requires elevation to track network usage stats.
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If you've got things you autorun on every logon, and they need elevation to work, and giving them permission via UAC every time gives you the shits: try removing their launcher shortcuts from the Startup menu, and instead create scheduled tasks to be run at logon time for them. The Task Scheduler lets you specify that a task should be run with highest privileges (i.e. elevated) and because the TS service itself runs elevated, it can launch elevated things without going via the UAC gatekeeper.
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Why do so many people insist on ceding control of their systems to outside entities who are far more likely to ruin your day with software-breaking security updates than any hacker?
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I'd rather have a fully-patched system than willingly expose all those security flaws to the world.
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Why do so many people insist on ceding control of their systems to outside entities who are far more likely to ruin your day with software-breaking security updates than any hacker?
I assume you don't
apt-get update
ever, either.Anyway, /. is that-a-way...
Filed under: I have a compiler, I'll patch it myself
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I assume you don't
apt-get update
ever, either.That's quite safe to do.
apt-get dist-upgrade
on the other hand...
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apt-get dist-upgrade on the other hand
can surprise a body with the sudden destruction of a workable, stable, comfortable, extensively customized desktop environment and its replacement with the broken everything-is-a-phone stupidity that was GNOME 3.0.
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I assume you don't
apt-get update
ever, either.
IIRC, that just updates the local cached package list;apt-get upgrade
actually applies the updates
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Did it ever occur to you that maybe the settings for a feature are somewhere where you set settings? No, you just went to the button that performs a spellcheck and expected it to be some sort of magic fucking mind-reading genie or something.
Um...you often pull up feature and there's a settings button or something there. Doesn't it make sense to couple these things? Seems reasonable to have a master settings thing, but your stance here seems stupid. Maybe MS works is like you do. I don't really know.
I'm having a hard time following the argument that he should go randomly clicking around when he can do a quick search and find his answer very quickly. Sounds like MS finally figured that out in Office 2016.
I think you need to take a step back and think about what you're arguing here.
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Doesn't it make sense to couple these things?
It does, but you have to balance that with keeping the UI simple; in this case, I'd side with the way MS have done it w.r.t. the Spellar/Gramming button.
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THAT NUMBER IS 5 I CAN'T TYPE A 5 NORMALLY BECAUSE ALEX IS A DUMB MOTHERFUCKER WHO PICKED THIS BROKEN BULLSHIT FORUM OF ASS FUCK I HATE THIS. The clients were Windows 2000, we moved off Novell at the same time we rolled-out XP.
Research has shown that normal users mostly just want to write a simple list. Just because you can't adapt to change and go with what makes writing out a list easier and faster is a personal problem.
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It does, but you have to balance that with keeping the UI simple; in this case, I'd side with the way MS have done it w.r.t. the Spellar/Gramming button.
But not enough not to flame someone for looking for it that way, eh?
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Who doesn't enjoy a good heated argument every so often? ;)
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I like one when I'm right.
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UAC would be the best thing ever if Microsoft didn't unwittingly train millions of people to just click OK on any dialog ever.
Ok Mr. Expert, how should they have implemented it?
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Why do so many people insist on ceding control of their systems to outside entities who are far more likely to ruin your day with software-breaking security updates than any hacker?
If you hate Microsoft so much, why are you running their OS in the first place? I mean at some point you gotta figure it the fuck out here. Set your priorities and follow-through.
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Most people will hit the Java updater.
Even on my work computer which has the Java updater, I don't get a UAC prompt on boot.
Me, I use WhatPulse, which requires elevation to track network usage stats.
Ok, so, switch to a product that's not broken?
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Ok Mr. Expert, how should they have implemented it?
Hell if I know. I don't even know if they could do it better.
But still, the current way doesn't really work all that well. Better than XP's Administrator account, but that's not a high bar.
Even on my work computer which has the Java updater, I don't get a UAC prompt on boot.
Maybe they finally fixed their shit - back when I had Java, it did the prompts.
Ok, so, switch to a product that's not broken?
Nah, it makes sense to ask for elevated permissions to basically monitor all your network traffic. What makes little sense is to keep doing it every time - especially since UAC in no way protects you from .exe substitution.
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especially since UAC in no way protects you from .exe substitution.
Sure it does. If the EXE is stored in Program Files like all EXEs should be, it requires elevation to overwrite.
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Sure it does. If the EXE is stored in Program Files like all EXEs should be, it requires elevation to overwrite.
Well, that - but it still doesn't make it less pointless to ask when you're running the EXE. You still get the same prompt.
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And what's stopping you from making custom toolbars?
You couldn't do it in Office 2007, when the Ribbon was first introduced. You'd have to get some developer to write some C++ with embedded XML and get it digitally signed. Office 2010 added user customization (of more than Quick Access) back, and Office 2016 is adding in the Search bar from Visual Studio.