How do they come up with these things..



  • @Raggles said:

    @foxyshadis said:

    Go to doom9 forums, and look up the posts of a guy named CruNcher. Every one of them is a single sentence, sometimes comprising hundreds of words in an impenatrable wall of text. The closest he gets to punctuation is smileys. Many are useful and informative, but no one can read all that.

     Randomly selected post by CruNcher


     

    That psycho actually put an apostrophe in "want."  There ought to be a law against such a thing. 



  • @VGR said:

    @Random832 said:

    EDIT: and, no, there is not any more technical reason for not unifying arabic/indic/european digits than there is for not unifying chinese/japanese/korean characters, which Unicode does. 

    Are you sure? For instance, some of those variants of "2" have a right-to-left directional property. ASCII digits are expected to all be the same width in modern fonts (and thus the need for U+2012, Figure Dash, and U+2007, Figure Space), but I don't know if that holds true for digits in other languages. I believe the Asian vertical variants have different baselines, which is important when someone is typing them out.

    All of the things you describe are typographical problems for the renderer (the bidirectional stuff in particular is a contradictory layer of abstraction - it's trying to be a rendering specification and to not be a rendering specification at the same time, resulting in a complex mess).

     

    I do get the impression that the Han characters were unified only because space did not permit separate Chinese, Japanese and Korean sections. (I suspect that decision was made back when they believed they could fit the whole codepoint set into 16 bits.) I hear some (a lot of?) Asian linguists are unhappy with the unification.

    Sort of. Space did not "permit" any kind of sane CJK support, and the whole thing is a series of blunders resulting in a disaster. Even without the unification problem (which Unicode's apologists now wave their arms about and proclaim "not a rendering specification") most of the characters are missing. For example, a version of Project Gutenberg for historical Chinese literature cannot use unicode, because most of the characters used in historical literature aren't present.

    Unicode's just a big mess - they've never made up their minds about what level of abstraction they're working at, and there's a "We Have Always Been At War With Oceania" attitude that blinds them to all the problems. Most of their usual excuses amount to "it could be worse - at least it's not snowing" or "it's not our fault, the goals were contradictory".



  • I generally have a typing style in which I use on both IM/IRC as I do on messageboards and mailing-lists, I flow my sentences as to force the reader to parse the data when I want them to. However, I don't go ape with this, I try to add pauses to allow readers to parse my posts correctly and have the data in their minds structured properly. If I want to pause a post to have the reader parse before I continue, 
    I generally use double-hyphens in the form of "--", that usually means relevant/important information is ahead and to parse before proceeding otherwise you may miss a point. I myself try to only use characters in posts that can be found on a standard QWERTY keyboard to prevent problems with character sets.

    As for what I hate/can't stand in posts, here's some pet peeves of mine (I put up with them tentively):

    - Abuse of apostrophies/commas
    - Use of "magic quotes" or any other special characters in a medium that ends up breaking something (This one is to you, Microsoft)
    - Walls of text that look like someone took an encyclopedia and removed all of the linebreaks
    - Run-on sentences that don'r have any purpose of being run-on
    - Abuse of punctuation (If you want to annoy me, post with "............" between your sentences)
    - Those who use "u", "r" and "h8" instead of "you", "are" and "hate" (I will put up with it, but if you make your entire sentences while messaging me like this all the time, I may ask you to stop)
    -- IM-style posting (posting a very short one-liner that has no content value does the community you're posting to no good, don't just write "I like it" -- State why you like whatever you're commenting on as well.)
    - Long lead-ins (Get to the point of whatever you're posting about, don't dance around and make everyone feel like you're giving a long history lesson on the subject)
    - Abuse of smilies (For the love of all that is good, don't post 4+ Smilies in ONE post, it makes you look like a twit)
    - Too many levels of quotes then proceeding to bottom-post (We don't need to know what the person 6 posts back said to the OP in a 7 post thread, just quote one or two levels back already, people can read back into the thread if there's something they wish to see)

    Now, this list may be long, However, don't think I'll bash your posting technique, just make sure your posts are READABLE and I more than likely leave you alone on the subject.



  • @DigitalXeron said:

    I generally have a typing style in which I use on both IM/IRC as I do on messageboards and mailing-lists, I flow my sentences as to force the reader to parse the data when I want them to. However, I don't go ape with this, I try to add pauses to allow readers to parse my posts correctly and have the data in their minds structured properly. If I want to pause a post to have the reader parse before I continue,
    I generally use double-hyphens in the form of "--", that usually means relevant/important information is ahead and to parse before proceeding otherwise you may miss a point. I myself try to only use characters in posts that can be found on a standard QWERTY keyboard to prevent problems with character sets.

    As for what I hate/can't stand in posts, here's some pet peeves of mine (I put up with them tentively):

    - Abuse of apostrophies/commas
    - Use of "magic quotes" or any other special characters in a medium that ends up breaking something (This one is to you, Microsoft)
    - Walls of text that look like someone took an encyclopedia and removed all of the linebreaks
    - Run-on sentences that don'r have any purpose of being run-on
    - Abuse of punctuation (If you want to annoy me, post with "............" between your sentences)
    - Those who use "u", "r" and "h8" instead of "you", "are" and "hate" (I will put up with it, but if you make your entire sentences while messaging me like this all the time, I may ask you to stop)
    -- IM-style posting (posting a very short one-liner that has no content value does the community you're posting to no good, don't just write "I like it" -- State why you like whatever you're commenting on as well.)
    - Long lead-ins (Get to the point of whatever you're posting about, don't dance around and make everyone feel like you're giving a long history lesson on the subject)
    - Abuse of smilies (For the love of all that is good, don't post 4+ Smilies in ONE post, it makes you look like a twit)
    - Too many levels of quotes then proceeding to bottom-post (We don't need to know what the person 6 posts back said to the OP in a 7 post thread, just quote one or two levels back already, people can read back into the thread if there's something they wish to see)

    Now, this list may be long, However, don't think I'll bash your posting technique, just make sure your posts are READABLE and I more than likely leave you alone on the subject.

    ur gr8, thnx,m8.

    ......................

    :D :D :D :D :D

    .....................

     

    /* Taxi! Lart shelter, and step on it! */ 



  • @Control_Alt_Kaboom said:

    @DigitalXeron said:

    I generally have a typing style in which I use on both IM/IRC as I do on messageboards and mailing-lists, I flow my sentences as to force the reader to parse the data when I want them to. However, I don't go ape with this, I try to add pauses to allow readers to parse my posts correctly and have the data in their minds structured properly. If I want to pause a post to have the reader parse before I continue,
    I generally use double-hyphens in the form of "--", that usually means relevant/important information is ahead and to parse before proceeding otherwise you may miss a point. I myself try to only use characters in posts that can be found on a standard QWERTY keyboard to prevent problems with character sets.

    As for what I hate/can't stand in posts, here's some pet peeves of mine (I put up with them tentively):

    - Abuse of apostrophies/commas
    - Use of "magic quotes" or any other special characters in a medium that ends up breaking something (This one is to you, Microsoft)
    - Walls of text that look like someone took an encyclopedia and removed all of the linebreaks
    - Run-on sentences that don'r have any purpose of being run-on
    - Abuse of punctuation (If you want to annoy me, post with "............" between your sentences)
    - Those who use "u", "r" and "h8" instead of "you", "are" and "hate" (I will put up with it, but if you make your entire sentences while messaging me like this all the time, I may ask you to stop)
    -- IM-style posting (posting a very short one-liner that has no content value does the community you're posting to no good, don't just write "I like it" -- State why you like whatever you're commenting on as well.)
    - Long lead-ins (Get to the point of whatever you're posting about, don't dance around and make everyone feel like you're giving a long history lesson on the subject)
    - Abuse of smilies (For the love of all that is good, don't post 4+ Smilies in ONE post, it makes you look like a twit)
    - Too many levels of quotes then proceeding to bottom-post (We don't need to know what the person 6 posts back said to the OP in a 7 post thread, just quote one or two levels back already, people can read back into the thread if there's something they wish to see)

    Now, this list may be long, However, don't think I'll bash your posting technique, just make sure your posts are READABLE and I more than likely leave you alone on the subject.

    ur gr8, thnx,m8.

    ......................

    :D :D :D :D :D

    .....................

     

    /* Taxi! Lart shelter, and step on it! */ 

     

    damn........................   beat me to, it :)

     now..... all we need, is a, quote pyramid :) !!!!! :)

    :(): 
     



  • @tster said:

    damn........................   beat me to, it :)

     now..... all we need, is a, quote pyramid :) !!!!! :)

    :():  

    http://forums.worsethanfailure.com/forums/2/123852/ShowThread.aspx#123852

    A quote pyramid so large it physically slows the browser.


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