BB CEO asks government enforcing development of apps for all platforms
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Net Neutrality: No on Reclassification, Yes on Adding Content & App Providers
U.S. President Obama and FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler have put net neutrality back on the front burner with their recently announced support for reclassifying both wireline and wireless broadband as Title II services.
Key point:
Therefore, neutrality must be mandated at the application and content layer if we truly want a free, open and non-discriminatory internet. All wireless broadband customers must have the ability to access any lawful applications and content they choose, and applications/content providers must be prohibited from discriminating based on the customer’s mobile operating system.
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and applications/content providers must be prohibited from discriminating based on the customer’s mobile operating system
Why just mobile?
I want to play Farmville on my dad's old C64, you evil evildoers! And install Snapchat on it!
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Step 1: Release new mobile OS
Step 2: sue all app makers for not immediately having feature compatible versions of all apps they've ever released available for my OS
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!
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Ooh, maybe I can finally get discourse on my Kindle. =o
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Or SmartTV:
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BB10 natively supports Android apps. Most Android apps already just work on BB even if someone hasn't made a BB version.
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Maybe Blackberry should have instead made developing and approving applications for his platform less of a wide-awake nightmare.
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Yeah, I wasn't talking specifically about BB there, just a strategy to make money if this proposal goes through.
Although, I think the Blackberry runtime for Android doesn't include Google Play Services, which is where an increasing number of the useful APIs are these days.
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Probably not. I've not tried with an app which relies on Play Services.
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This makes as much sense as any net neutrality proposal I've seen.
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Cynic...
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Cynic...
<i s/net neutrality/anti-net neutrality/>add one word to @boomzilla's statement and i'd agree with him.
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Hmm, I gotta figure out that thing where the guy installed Windows 95 on his cell phone.
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Now I wonder... A lot of tablets are x86 under the hood, so save for driver support it should be possible to run that stuff natively somehow?
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This makes as much sense as any net neutrality proposal I've seen.
Which amounts to redistributionism, essentially.
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the Blackberry runtime for Android doesn't include Google Play Services
Yeah, that's a rather big pitfall with BB10's Android support - but one that might be rendered moot if Samsung pulls off a BlackBerry acquisition.
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Maybe Blackberry should have instead made developing and approving applications for his platform less of a wide-awake nightmare.
Personally, I shake my head at the whole "ZOMG NO APPZ!!!one" argument. How many apps do people actually use on their phones routinely? Weather, Calculator, Facefuck, Shitter, SnapPorn... ? How many of those apps are really necessary?
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How many of those apps are really necessary?
This rant is about Netflix specifically. But he could refer also to other popular apps.
BB's CEO is pissed because the big names don't want to waste money on a platform used by 0.001%, like Netflix in this case. Also, it seems like this guy has no idea of (no wonder BB is where it's now) the mobile trends, costs and issues of developing an app for every platform. Anyway, I'll bet there are more MotoG-16GB than the whole BB range out there.
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Yeah, that's a rather big pitfall with BB10's Android support - but one that might be rendered moot if Samsung pulls off a BlackBerry acquisition.
Since Samsung is now rolling out their own OS, I'd bet not.
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BlackBerry might make sense for Samsung, Tizen or no Tizen.
The enterprisey stuff and the Work / Personal workspaces containerisation are things that (among other things) BB get spot on and it's skills / experience that Samsung could use well if applied to Knox.
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I wasn't saying that Samsung wasn't going to adopt BB. Just that I doubted they would worry too much about the BB10 Android support.
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Oh, gotcha.
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Here is what it boils down to: RIM made a lot of shitty decisions in the past that are now coming home to roost. For a long time they made developing for their platform very difficult, expensive and time-intensive with their completely closed ecosystem. They got by with it by selling their promise of increased security. Then Apple and Google came in and cleaned their clock. BB/RIM gave them the blueprint of what not to do. Now they are bitching because they made a lot of stupid, shitty, choices in the past and it is absolutely killing them because they lost all of the market momentum that they once had.
Fuck them. They can compete just like anyone else. Even if all the same apps were available, people are unlikely to switch back unless they start making really fantastic products again.
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Yeah agreed. I wish I could find the article/blog post I read once comparing the experience of submitting a app to (one of the) Android stores compared to the sheer pain-in-the-ass of submitting it to the Blackberry store.
It had a lot of WTFs, IIRC one of them was that each file in the application had to be signed individually, which took days.
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Then Apple and Google came in and cleaned their clock. BB/RIM gave them the blueprint of what not to do.
FYI, Apple's iPhone 1 was all "web apps" so they didn't had it all figured out at first.
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FYI, Apple's iPhone 1 was all "web apps" so they didn't had it all figured out at first.
With the speed at which the App Store appeared, you bet your ass they had it all figured out. They just didn't yet have it in an shippable state.
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I would believe anything from the mind of Jobs.
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Do you believe Apple could have built the entire App Store infrastructure in like 8 months? Occam's Razor tells me it was already at least 50% done, well past "know what we're building".
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Yeah yeah, I agree, I just imagined the situation:
Jobs: is the App Store™ ready?
VP Engineering: No commander, forgive us.
Jobs: ... (Darth Vader choke!)
VP Engineering #2: Sir, we might sell it as build with HTML thing. We have Safari ready.
Jobs: ... and when all those nerds come crying about not having a native SDK we'll deliver like heroes... I like it! Call Wozniak and shut him up.
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Yeah agreed. I wish I could find the article/blog post I read once comparing the experience of submitting a app to (one of the) Android stores compared to the sheer pain-in-the-ass of submitting it to the Blackberry store.
It had a lot of WTFs, IIRC one of them was that each file in the application had to be signed individually, which took days.
Yep. I think I read the same article. BB gave the others a blueprint of exactly what not to do. BB had a really good thing going, someone else came along and said, "Hey, let's do something like that but not make it so damned restrictive so that people will actually write cool stuff for out platform."
And just like that, RIM was basically killed. Well, that and most of their phones did not have anywhere near the power that other smartphones had. Sure, the phones would last for days on a single charge, but that's only because you didn't freaking do anything with them. The browser was shit, there were no apps worth having, etc.
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Step 1: Release new mobile OS
Step 2: sue all app makers for not immediately having feature compatible versions of all apps they've ever released available for my OS
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!
I think you can do that even cheaper, by replacing step 1 with: announce that you'll release a new mobile OS, and step 2 by: ask them how much they'll pay if you don't.
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Companies don't want to make apps for the smaller oses, but will not allow anyone else to do so either.
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Companies don't want to make apps for the smaller oses, but will not allow anyone else to do so either.
That's a much more legitimate complaint.
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Here's an interesting take on what Chen was actually trying to say, but the world, with its reflexive, almost Pavlovian response to anything involving BlackBerry, simply didn't see: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229770
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Here's an interesting take on what Chen was actually trying to say, but the world, with its reflexive, almost Pavlovian response to anything involving BlackBerry, simply didn't see
I think the link you just posted missed the mark by a wide margin. The BB blog article is actually taken from a letter sent to Congress...
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The BB blog article is actually taken from a letter sent to Congress...
So? Does the link I posted somehow say (or even imply) otherwise?
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No, but it does seem to say something that I don't see by reading the actual BB blog article? It references some Forbes article, which I have not read, but seems to make some pretty big leaps in logic while also criticizing Forbes for doing the same.
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The link is from their blog, which I had to dig from several news sources. I know he didn't refer to all apps but only the big ones (Netflix, FB, etc) which is also stupid to ask Google to create an Android version of G+ without Play Store integration (unsupported by BB magic).
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It references some Forbes article, which I have not read
Is that a link? I wonder...
I know, it isn't terribly obvious...
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Holy shit, the late 90s called, they want their website design philosophy back.
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I know he didn't refer to all apps but only the big ones (Netflix, FB, etc)
God damn it, Ford should be forced to build Mustangs for Tesla!
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the late 90s called, they want their website design philosophy back
Style over substance? OK.
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The next step is a law to force consumers to buy Blackberry devices.
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People would be well-served to read Chen's actual blog post and figure out whether people reporting on it are full of shit or not. It's a crazy idea, I know.
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How to Succeed in Business, BB style:
- Make unprofitable business decision
- Get government to force other businesses to do unprofitable stuff
- ???
- Profit!!!
They've succeeded in step 1, at least.
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Style over substance? OK.
I don't give two fucks about the substance, and this discussion in general, but those serifs are trying to poke my eyes out.
You getting all defensive and posting things like
the world, with its reflexive, almost Pavlovian response to anything involving BlackBerry, simply didn't see
doesn't inspire much confidence either, for the record. Regardless of what the actual truth is, you sound like a street preacher.
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How to Succeed in Business, BB style:
- Make unprofitable business decision
- Get government to force other businesses to do unprofitable stuff
- ???
- Profit!!!
Now we're getting somewhere. Isn't this exactly what Netflix and other businesses are trying to do with "net neutrality"?
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The next step is a law to force consumers to buy Blackberry devices.
It's not even unprecedented. ("Words I'd never thought I'd hear said in the USA" for $300, Alex.)
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