I can't find the post, but...
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@GeneWitch said:
I'm of no camp, personally, and i think that newguy is different from CPound. i also think newguy is a LOT younger than CPound.
as for the "yes men" thing, I have no doubts that ammoQ and CW see me as a novice programmer that doesn't have much to offer here. However, If i were to pick a camp, it would be on the "moderator" side, rather than the "goddamn are you a troll or what" side.
This whole "camp" issue is plain stupid. There is no "CW and ammoQ" camp. I'm pretty sure CW and I disaggree in many topics. The delusion of those "camps" is the result of some people's point of view being so far away from the mainstream, that from their perspective, it looks like all the other people were a homogeneous group.
i'll admit, sometimes i troll inadvertently, because i am not used to "forums" as a communications medium and all, but still...
You cannot troll inadvertently, that's a contradiction in terms.
Vienna must be real exciting.
PS i am moving to washington this saturday! i'll post in general about it later!
For me, Vienna is the most normal thing in the world. Washington must be real exciting!
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@dhromed said:
> Everyone else is a "yes man" to CodeWhisperer and ammoQ.
I personally hate the bastard pricks, see. Always being better programmers than me etc. Feh.
Finally. Someone who actually had the courage to stand up to those two. I'm surprised your post hasn't been deleted.
I wish more people would stand up and be individuals in this forum. I myself am simply misunderstood. That's why people hate me so.
I would love to see people post about their real life experiences, not some rehash of what-would-ammoQ-say or what-would-CW-say.
Have the courage to tell a story about how you were once a novice and screwed up on a job or an interview. (Of course people like CW and ammoQ were never novices, never screwed up, and always ALWAYS had a job, so they have no tales to tell.) It would be nice to read a post from a real human being, not some made up supercoder who does no wrong. Those kinds of posts make the average developer feel small and insignificant.
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@dhromed said:
I personally hate the bastard pricks, see. Always being better programmers than me etc. Feh.
I'm fairly sure he was being faceious; but even if he wasn't, I would hope his message wouldn't be deleted.
@CPound said:
I myself am simply misunderstood. That's why people hate me so.
What is it we misunderstand?
@CPound said:
people like CW and ammoQ were never novices, never screwed up
Where do you get this from; you need to be less selective about what you hear. Way back in the original salaries discussion I recall quite clearly talking about when I was in my "I'm 22 and know everything and don't need no stinkin' theory" phase.
-cw
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@CPound said:
@dhromed said:
> Everyone else is a "yes man" to CodeWhisperer and ammoQ.
I personally hate the bastard pricks, see. Always being better programmers than me etc. Feh.
Finally. Someone who actually had the courage to stand up to those two. I'm surprised your post hasn't been deleted.
I wish more people would stand up and be individuals in this forum. I myself am simply misunderstood. That's why people hate me so.
I would love to see people post about their real life experiences, not some rehash of what-would-ammoQ-say or what-would-CW-say.
Have the courage to tell a story about how you were once a novice and screwed up on a job or an interview. (Of course people like CW and ammoQ were never novices, never screwed up, and always ALWAYS had a job, so they have no tales to tell.) It would be nice to read a post from a real human being, not some made up supercoder who does no wrong. Those kinds of posts make the average developer feel small and insignificant.
Can't you just shut the fuck up already?
You're annoying, seriously.
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when i said troll inadvertantly, i mean Dropping the W bomb on a linux forum, or the P bomb on a mac forum. stuff like that. I do it without thinking cause it's part of my conversational armament. /shrug.
I agree, the camp thing is stupid. :-)
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CPound, you either have a hard time communicating humor or a hard time picking up when other people are being humorous.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
I know plenty of people that have never been unemployed. Maybe you're doing something wrong? Or, just hit some bad luck... and, just because you personally had some bad luck doesn't mean the industry as a whole just disappeared. Obviously, you're kind of hung up on the fact that you were unemployed even though you're, obviously, too good to have been unemployed. Therefore, everyone else must be lying if they claim otherwise. That, frankly, is nearly as pompous as your other assertions.<o:p></o:p>
I'll give you a nice overview of my life. I landed my first big 'gig' when I was 12 as a paper delivery boy for a weekly. It was a car route that my dad and I had. It was sort of our bonding time. As soon as I turned 16, I started a job as a bagger at the local grocery store. Four months later, I started at Wal-Mart in the electronics department. I started there until I was 17. I was already a sophomore in college by then (I started attending part-time when I was 14). While there, I landed a contract job doing VB4 development for a local IT shop. A few months after that, I quit Wal-Mart to start work at the university as a student programmer.<o:p></o:p>
As I've mentioned before, my position at the university gave me great access to the companies that came in to interview for internship and co-op positions. That led me to an 8-month co-op position one year and then a subsequent 4-month internship for the summer the next year. During that time, I also kept my job at the university and just worked reduced hours remotely in the evening. I had to give up the paper route by this time, though, since I was an hour and a half from home.<o:p></o:p>
I then went back to college to finish up my last semester. Just before that, I secured a job with a consulting company... the fact that I had a job lined up before I even started my last semester, combined with the fact that my last semester consisted of a Spanish class and two geography classes (liberal arts requirements), led to a less than stellar performance on my part. I'm toying with the idea of getting a PhD now and that last semester really hurt my GPA... I graduated with a 3.43 and I know I'd be doing a lot better from an admissions standpoint if I had at least a 3.5<o:p></o:p>
Unlike many of my peers, I was lucky, I started my first 'real' job in January of 1999. By the time the DotCom crash hit, I had already built up a solid name for myself in the local market and made enough connections that getting a new job would have been easy enough. Fortunately, my company didn't even have to think about layoffs.<o:p></o:p>
My wife wasn't so lucky. Well, she would have been if she wasn't married to me. See, knew each other very well in college. Her and her boyfriend, and my girlfriend and I would hang out all of the time. So, when we ended up just a hundred miles apart well after we had both broken up with our respective others, we started hanging out as friends and then progressed rapidly to the 'romantically interested in each other' phase. She was a programmer at a well-respected medical institution. I was an enterprise architect at a large retailer. Living halfway in-between and driving 50 miles one way to work was tough on both of us. We flipped a coin (we both wanted new jobs) and decided that, since I lived in the larger job market, she'd look for a job in my town. She quit, we went on two weeks vacation, and then we came back to a decimated IT market. Apparently, in that two week time, dozens of dotcom companies finally folded and took a significant number of consulting companies with them. <o:p></o:p>
She ended up being out of work for almost three months before temporarily giving up on IT and taking a job as an analyst on the business side of the company I was at. That lasted for a year before she went back into IT as a DBA.<o:p></o:p>
Currently, I work as a 'capability architect'. I also do a lot of independent dev and architecture work on the side. Forget never having one job, I've rarely been without at least two jobs. So, no, I don't know what it's like to be unemployed, although I can understand.<o:p></o:p>
Along the way, I've been lucky enough to learn a heck of a lot about life and technology. I've managed to co-author a few articles and a book. It's not very prestigious, but at least my mom can find me when she searches on Amazon.com. I've also had to go to the ER for chest pains brought on by stress from working way too much. I truly know what my limits are and have a sad realization that they're not as far as they used to be. Through it all, though, I've learned to not take life nearly as seriously as you feel it needs to be taken. I think that's an important lesson for anyone to learn, I'm just lucky to have learned it early in life.<o:p></o:p>
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@CPound said:
Of course people like CW and ammoQ were never novices, never screwed up, and always ALWAYS had a job, so they have no tales to tell.) It would be nice to read a post from a real human being, not some made up supercoder who does no wrong. Those kinds of posts make the average developer feel small and insignificant.
WTF gives you the idea that I claimed to never screwed up? Just look up the relevant threads in the "Side Bar WTF".
I've been a freelancer for the last 14 years, almost always working for more than one client concurrently. In some sense, I always had a job; but then, it wasn't always a 40+ hours/week job. "Employment" is not a binary condition for me; it's rather a value in the range of 0.5 to 1.3 .
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Do any of these aforementione camps have brochures? I'm looking to go on holiday soon, and a camp holiday sounds just great.
Quick question - if I end up going to the CPound camp will I have to wear a tie?
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@CPound said:
Finally. Someone who actually had the courage to stand up to those two. I'm surprised your post hasn't been deleted.
I wish more people would stand up and be individuals in this forum. I myself am simply misunderstood. That's why people hate me so.
I would love to see people post about their real life experiences, not some rehash of what-would-ammoQ-say or what-would-CW-say.
1. As previously stated i think that guy was mocking you.
2. It's not that people agree with ammoq and CW so much as disagree with you. You need to understand that continually putting up your amazingly stupid posts and starting pointless threads about your self doesn't win you many friends on forums.
3. I don't think you are misunderstood i think you are actually as big of a dickhead as you seem
@CPound said:
I would love to see people post about their real life experiences, not some rehash of what-would-ammoQ-say or what-would-CW-say.
I don't think you want this at all, you only want people to post life experiences that agree with you and fit into your narrow mindedness. In the first post i had the misfortune to encounter you in i offered up an anecdote relating to my life experience and all you did was rip into me about having facial piercings even though my post was on the most part agreeing with you. I have seen many posts in your stupid threads and in reply to your moronic posts offering up information about their real world experiences which you refuse to believe if they don't fit in with your experiences.
@CPound said:
Have the courage to tell a story about how you were once a novice and screwed up on a job or an interview
<sarcasm>Wow, you are so courageous, you remind me of that tiannamen square tank guy, or Rosa Parks or something</sarcasm>
The sarcasm tags are for CPound's benefit, he has trouble with things like that.
BTW Cpound, we've all had bad interviews before the difference is we don't let it scar us for life like it obviously did for you, or crap on about it ad nauseum on forums. It's sad that you took the rejection of one interview so hard. I'd maybe be interested in some funny interview stories but massive rants by you with crazy text formatting in a feeble attempt to justify your point of view and your poor life choices is not really worthy of starting your own thread for, I am of course talking about the classic CPound thread "why i became a suit" here.
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@CPound said:
Have the courage to tell a story about how you were once a novice and screwed up on a job or an interview. (Of course people like CW and ammoQ were never novices, never screwed up, and always ALWAYS had a job, so they have no tales to tell.) It would be nice to read a post from a real human being, not some made up supercoder who does no wrong. Those kinds of posts make the average developer feel small and insignificant.
So far I have received an offer from every employer I have had an interview with (Including when I was in high school). I don't mean to brag. I'm just saying that not everyone has had the same experiences. And no, I'm not very old, so I'm sure I will have the experience later :)
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@element[0] said:
I'd maybe be interested in some funny interview stories
Ok, tell me how this sounds.
I'll let up on the personal rants and mad ravings for a while. From time to time I'll post a funny interview story. Is that cool with everybody?
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@CPound said:
I'll let up on the personal rants and mad ravings for a while. From time to time I'll post a funny interview story. Is that cool with everybody?
But will these not turn out to be the same?
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@CPound said:
@element[0] said:
I'd maybe be interested in some funny interview stories
Ok, tell me how this sounds.
I'll let up on the personal rants and mad ravings for a while. From time to time I'll post a funny interview story. Is that cool with everybody?
Sounds great.
