I'm gonna play Skyrim!
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So when Skyrim first came out, I played it. Ran out of steam after awhile as I got a new job, etc.
But I still need to finish the fecking thing. But at this point, I also need to start over.
This thread is about that process.
Let's do this.
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If you want to finish it, stay away from the DLCs. Fuck those are long, specially the one with the new island.
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So kind of it. Let's see what we get
Not bad. That's about what I'd expect.
(BEHOLD MY GLORIOUS FUTUREPROOF GAMING RIG)Wazzat actually mean?
HM. Let's see if I can divine a way to run this thing on dual monitors without it being dumb!
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Let's try windowed mode at full resolution for one of my monitors!
NOPE! Of course what I wanted it to do was to run the game window at 1920x1200 without accounting for the furniture! Having the edges of my cropped off is vital to enjoyment!
So let's see what my other options are.
1680x1050? What the fuck kind of cripped bullshit is that?
This kind of cripped bullshit.Off to the INI file!
Seriously, why are games such fucking bullshit?
After much trial and error, 1905x1125 is more or less right.
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I don't get the complaint here.
EDIT: oh because Skyrim's windowed mode is half-assed? Yeah, it's a Gamebryo game, buddy. (Oh right "Creation Engine", suuure, totally different.) You're lucky it alt-tabs reasonably-well.
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No windowed-no-furniture mode. So in order to not have second monitor sitting there doing precisely dick, and still have the game fill one whole monitor, you have to dick around and subtract out the dimensions of the window furniture yourself.
IOW, 1920x1200 windowed makes the drawing surface of the window 1920x1200. Which is fucking useless, because of titlebars, window borders, etc.
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What does the word "furniture" mean in this context?
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Titlebars, window edges, etc. We'll leave out my always-on-top taskbar because I know I'm fucking weird.
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Please stop making up words, people. Or at least define them the first time. Seriously, why don't we just type all our posts like this: blueberry phone gorilla distinct coffee TV foolish.
In any case, since Skyrim doesn't have a fullscreen/windowed mode and isn't one of those dumb games that blacks-out the second monitor when you run it fullscreen, I don't see the point to what you're doing at all. You still have to do the normal alt-tab process to do other shit, and it's not like you fail to see the contents of your second monitor in normal fullscreen mode.
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You're fucking kidding me. The thing doesn't erase the Windows mouse cursor when it has it trapped? DAMN YOU BETHESDAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
In any case, since Skyrim doesn't have a fullscreen/windowed mode and isn't one of those dumb games that blacks-out the second monitor when you run it fullscreen, I don't see the point to what you're doing at all.
Oh. Well then. Disregard the entire thread to this point. I am TRWTF.
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Well you're not, you'd expect any modern game to have fullscreen windowed mode. It's just that Skyrim is Gamebryo, it's creaky-as-shit... it's the same engine that originally built for Morrowind, patched to shit and back. It just don't do what modern engines do.
Frankly it was a miracle they got it running on the PS3. Kinda. A bit. Except the DLCs never worked.
EDIT: BTW if you're gonna seriously play Skyrim, you should install Arthmoor's unofficial bug fix mods. There's like 5 of them, one for the base game, one for the high res DLC (which you have, since you have it in Steam) and one for each expansion.
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Okay, this might be of use to you:
I have one monitor and Skyrim tends to do stupid things with mouse cursors if I don't have it on a screen that shows a mouse cursor when I alt-tab. So push tab or escape before alt-tabbing and you should be fine.
Also, for some reason, if I want to alt-tab back to Skyrim, I have to alt-tab back and then alt-tab from Skyrim to Skyrim in order to make it show anything other than a black rectangle with a window border.
I wonder if it's possible to tell Windows to hide the border on another program's window...
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Also, for some reason, if I want to alt-tab back to Skyrim, I have to alt-tab back and then alt-tab from Skyrim to Skyrim in order to make it show anything other than a black rectangle with a window border.
That's "normal". ("Normal" meaning it happens to me as well.)
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It's "expected functionality" in the Discoursian meaning, then?
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I'm in the same 2-monitor boat, though I don't own skyrim so no experiences there. I prefer the mode that is called 'full screen (windowed)' or 'windowed (borderless)', or variations. This means the mouse cursor can escape the game window (in menu &c when you have a mouse cursor), and the game stays visible when a different application has focus.
What I've found useful for this is the nvidia geforce experience application. It can change your game settings for you, and in its preferences you can specify you prefer 'windowed borderless' modes. Unfortunately needs to be set separately for each game. I think I've found it able to force this mode on certain games that do not offer it as an option themselves.
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There are programs that can make any window borderless, regardless of how shitty the programmers of target application are. Just use one of them if it bothers you so much.
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EDIT: BTW if you're gonna seriously play Skyrim, you should install Arthmoor's unofficial bug fix mods. There's like 5 of them, one for the base game, one for the high res DLC (which you have, since you have it in Steam) and one for each expansion.
Good call, done. Quick, somebody call Gamergate! Thar be WIMMINZ in this game.
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There's even a woman who forces you to kill one to three people.
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What does the word "furniture" mean in this context?
Titlebars, window edges, etc.
IOW, what most everyone else means by "chrome", or "the non-client area".
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Isn't chrome usually the part of the window inside the OS part but outside the content area?
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Word of warning: if you're conversing with an NPC on Skyrim, make sure you actually selected the option you wanted to and not some other option that you moused over for 0 seconds.
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Isn't chrome usually the part of the window inside the OS part but outside the content area?
blink You mean, in Windows terms, between the client and non-client area? I don't think there's such a thing.
I think my use of the term "chrome" might actually come from Linux, but I can't remeber another windows term than the rather-verbose "non-client area."
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For example, in Microsoft Word (pre-whatever-version-started-the-flat-all-caps-thing) the toolbars and rulers would be chrome in my definition.
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Word of warning: if you're conversing with an NPC on Skyrim, make sure you actually selected the option you wanted to and not some other option that you moused over for 0 seconds.
Or just, you know, don't use a mouse at all, considering it's a game designed to work with controllers.
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How do you start Skyrim without a mouse?
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How do you start Skyrim without a mouse?
Keyboard shortcuts, one assumes. You can use the arrow keys and Enter even on the Start screen.
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How do you start Skyrim without a mouse?
Steam has a controller-driven mode that I can't remember the name of at the moment, so it may be possible to start Skyrim from there. Unless it shows that settings window on every startup.
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For example, in Microsoft Word (pre-whatever-version-started-the-flat-all-caps-thing) the toolbars and rulers would be chrome in my definition.
No, that's still client area.
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Even on the screen before the Continue/New/Load screen?
(The screen that proves Bethesda is capable of having a borderless window)
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Even on the screen before the Continue/New/Load screen?
Jeez, I dunno, figure it out for yourself.
Or use MouseKeys, nyah.
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If you idiots encourage Ben's awful jokes, he'll just make more of them.
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If you idiots encourage Ben's awful jokes, he'll just make more of them.
It's less annoying than Blakeyrages.
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Just tested it - it does not respond to keyboard input.
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Just tested it - it does not respond to keyboard input.
Oh goody--post bodies are vanishing again.
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Good call, done.
Led down a crazy rabbit hole of bugfix patches, updated models, PCification of the UI. God dammit.
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You don't gotta do any of those if you don't want. But I consider the unofficial bug fixes pretty necessary.
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PCification of the UI
For once this is the right emoji.
"Sure, I want to play this complex game with the tiny handful of buttons a controller affords me."
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To be clear, I mean "I need to use more than the tiny handful of buttons on the keyboard that they mapped to controller buttons"
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"Sure, I want to play this complex game with the tiny handful of buttons a controller affords me."
You know something like 80% of Skyrim customers played the game with a controller, right?
Windows is actually gaining marketshare back in the gaming area, but it's still by far a low-priority platform for game developers. During the Oblivion era, the PC share was so low it's a miracle Bethesda even bothered to port it.
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To be clear, I mean "I need to use more than the tiny handful of buttons on the keyboard that they mapped to controller buttons"
Ah, ok.
You know something like 80% of Skyrim customers played the game with a controller, right?
Oh, well, that makes it OK then, right?
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Oh, well, that makes it OK then, right?
No; but it does mean that the priority for Bethesda's developers was to get the controllers right, and the keyboard-and-mouse configuration was an afterthought.
If the game's designed to work with X input device, you're better-off using X input device to play it. That's all I'm sayin'.
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Please stop making up words, people. Or at least define them the first time. Seriously, why don't we just type all our posts like this: blueberry phone gorilla distinct coffee TV foolish.
Remember, people, blakeyrat is a ROBOT WHO CANNOT DECIPHER YOUR NON-LITERAL WORD PLAY. I can't believe he's actually that stupid, but it's hard to believe that he wants to make himself that stupid, too.
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its called big screen mode I think.
Halo was developed for controllers - but if you played it on PC (I think it was the only one that got ported)? you would shred literally everyone else who was playing with controllers.
Skyrim is a first person game.
Keyboard and mouse are infinitely better at controlling that sort of game.
I agree with you in the general case though.
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How did you guess my pass phrase?
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When I first started, I got a bit bored, and then my GPU started acting up. I decided to put it off until the Oculus Rift comes out. And buy a Virtuix Omni.