This is the guy we hired
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@dhromed said:
@masklinn said:
I have tatoos and i sure as hell didn't get them to tell other people "I tolerate pain"
What about that tattoo that says "I tolerate pain"?
i don't have that one, wasn't part of my package cause you need scarifications on 15% of your body and more than 60% of tatoo coverage to get it.
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@Infinity said:
Seconldy, i DO think (and hope) that CPound was being sarcastic. He seems intelligent enough to me to be one to try some sarcasm now and then. This time it seems not to have worked out...
Well, he has mentioned in the past that you have to be a pretty top notch developer in order to get his satire...
-cw
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Whereas I describe, in painful detail, each of my interviews in the last 11 years:
- First job in college. I actually stopped by a friend's workplace to meet his boss (he was a student programmer, boss ran the department). I ended up talking to one of the other students that was graduating that month and on his way out. I showed him how to use some of the built-in VB functions and shave his code base by 1000 lines. I ended up getting an offer right there. I was wearing jeans and a sweater.
- First internship. I worked at the college placement center so I just talked to the interviewers when they came to campus and would interview them about their companies when they had breaks in their day. They liked my curiousity so much that three companies extended offers. I went with one where I had other friends accepting internships. I wore jeans and a sweater.
- Second internship. I went to one company quite far away. I ended up wearing a dressier shirt with my khakis. They offered $8.50 an hour. The company I had my first internship at wanted me back at $17.50 an hour. Combined with what I'd be working on, that cinched it.
- First job after college. I interviewed before my last semester started and actually bought a suit. They extended an offer. I bought suites to wear to work every day. They switched to business casual in between when I was offered a job and five months later when I actually started. I was out a few grand on suits that I haven't worn since.
- Next job offer. I was feeling home sick and decided to look for a job closer to my home town. Panel interview with 10 people, interviews with two groups of two people, interviews with two managers, team lunch with another team. They extended an offer, I ended up turning it down. Oh, I wore khakis and a sweater.
- Next job. By this time, I had stopped tucking my shirt in. This was for an enterprise architect position with a large company (Fortune 100). I had an interview with the two group managers and then an interview with the vice president. The managers interrupted the VP's interview to give me an offer letter. I told them I wanted the evening to think about it. They called that night and doubled the signing bonus to try and convince me to say yes.
- Next interview. I had ended up being one of the leads on a multi-million dollar e-comm implementation and helped staff the 24x7 'command center'. As a result, I found out that I can't sleep during the day, no matter how hard I try. I passed a phone screening with HR and then had a phone interview with the hiring manager. I had a total of 4 hours sleep in three days time. I didn't get an offer to fly out for the interview on that one.
- Next job. I showed up half an hour late for a half hour interview. By that time, I'd stopped tying my shoes. Seriously, shoes are much more comfortable when they're not tied. The hiring manager pretty much just told me about his group and the company for half an hour. I asked him quite a few questions about how his group worked, etc. At the end he asked if I had any questions. I said "yes, I do. Don't you want to drill into my background or skills at all?" His response was, no, he'd already asked around about me and that I'd be getting an offer from HR later that day.
- Currently, I'm wearing jeans and a sweater with untied shoes. It's one of many casual months at work right now. I'll wear khakis once we go back to business casual. I also have four standing job offers from various recruiters / hiring managers I've kept in touch with. All of them have met me dressed exactly like I am now.
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Webzter is my hero.
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@dhromed said:
You're an articulate, at least reasonably intelligent person.
Why, thank you. That was very kind of you to say.
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@Infinity said:
Secondly, i DO think (and hope) that CPound was being sarcastic. He seems intelligent enough to me to be one to try some sarcasm now and then. This time it seems not to have worked out...
Thank you for coming to my defense. I need as many supporters as possible in this forum. It seems like everyone likes to gang up on me. I get lonely sometimes...
And yes, there was some sarcasm in my previous comments.
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You managed to hide it well.
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@CPound said:
It seems like everyone likes to gang up on me.
Doctor! Doctor! It hurts when I post like this...Then don't post like that.No one is going out of their way to gang up on you; you just keep saying monumentally silly things in a public forum...and the internets being what they are, you get smacked down for it. And then you get alternately indignant and grasping when even the newbies say "whhaaa?"I'd be more than happy to have a civil conversation with you, but sheesh man...I'll spare you the indignity of linking to your old posts, but they're not hard to find. The things you say make me despair for my profession.-cw
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I haven't worn a full suit to an interview in nearly a decade. I think appropriate attire is part of researching a company before you go to the interview. In fact, if I'm working at in a decidedly casual environment, and I'm interviewing someone in a full suit, that tells me they may not have done much research, or they're unfamiliar with current business practices. If they have great technical chops, I'm not going to care about it. But if they're just average, the inappropriate attire (yes, full suit can be inappropriate) is a small mark-down.
Appearance in front of customers goes by similar rules for me. Admittedly, when customers see me, they've already bought the product, so I'm less concerned about certain kinds of "first impressions". But if it's a casual place, I dress casual. If it's a shirt-and-tie place, I wear a shirt and tie. The point for me is to fit in, so that my customers can concentrate on the task at hand, rather than looking at my "odd" clothing. Today, I wore blue jeans and a nice casual button-up shirt to my customer's office. I was still more dressed-up than many of the people in the office.
It works for me. YMMV.
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@CPound said:
It seems like everyone likes to gang up on me.
Gee i wonder why? Could it be that people disagree with your incredibly stupid posts
and in your case by "posts" i mean "the insane rantings of a semi-managerial little man"
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This really isn't the place for personal pot-shots. Please try and keep it civil.
In my place, for our most recent round of interviews all the candidates wore suits. Even though we're very laid-back and casual, I'd still be surprised if a candidate turned up (for the first round) not in a suit. I wouldn't mark them down for it, but it would probably set off a few alarm bells. Dressing smart for an interview is simply a sign of respect and a sign that you're keen. Being messy or unkempt would make you look self-serving, lazy or at worst just plain rude.
I don't care how uber leet a coder you are, if you haven't got the social nous to work out that you might want to make a good impression on your possible future pay-masters, then you're probably not going to work very well in a team.
That being said, most of our besuited interviewees were absolutely rubbish. Most had CS degrees. Most hadn't got a clue about basic unix, networking, or even the most simple computing concepts. Ask them what a hash was or how a web-browser worked and they'd just stare at you blankly. What do they teach them in school these days?
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@element[0] said:
Gee i wonder why? Could it be that people disagree with your incredibly stupid posts
and in your case by "posts" i mean "the insane rantings of a semi-managerial little man"
Was that necessary? Just because you disagree with him, thats no reason to be rude, especially since two posts before you, CodeWhisperer has already explained the same thing.
Back on topic:
Wearing a suit to an interview is just good manners; it will likely improve the interviewers opinion of you, but will not make you a better person or a better programmer. It is entirely left to you if you want to use that bonus or not, but your chances should not really be greatly affected by it.
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I don't want any more personal attacks in this thread. "Don't want" includes a subliminial threat with my Moderator-Über-Power.
One question: We have a new employee who wore a suit during the interview, but I've found out that he has a tattoo on the upper arm. Should I be worried?
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I'm not really a tatoo-guy-expert, but if he shows signs of violence you should definitely not hire him. (disclaimer: SARCASM)
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Do not hire.
He obviously wore the suit to deceive you, to cover up his abusive tendencies.
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Guys, you don't realize the hazardousness of the situation: This guy (~1.90m tall, athletic body, mean-looking) is already hired. And it was me who has assigned him the most boring task we had procrastinated over months.
And now when he is already working on it, wearing a t-shirt, I've noticed that he has a tattoo!
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Thats a messy affair indeed. You should 'coincidentally' meet him in the parking lot in the evening, seemingly alone, with several company security guards lying in wait (hidden), ready to protect you in case he attacks you, and if he doesn't, you will know for sure that you can trust him...
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@Infinity said:
Thats a messy affair indeed. You should 'coincidentally' meet him in the parking lot in the evening, seemingly alone, with several company security guards lying in wait (hidden), ready to protect you in case he attacks you, and if he doesn't, you will know for sure that you can trust him...
No, I think you should take control of the situation and attack before he has the opportunity. I'm thinking baseballbat. With a few big nails driven through the end.
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@dhromed said:
No, I think you should take control of the situation and attack before he has the opportunity. I'm thinking baseballbat. With a few big nails driven through the end.
something along the lines of this?
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Wait! I've got it!
Get a tattoo.
One that says "U DONT SCARE ME"
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Or even better, get a piercing, so you can scare him in return.
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@Infinity said:
Or even better, get a piercing, so you can scare him in return.
Or get several piercing, driven in your skull, and do them yourself while you're on the job, that'll show him you're not afraid of pain!
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Good thinking, guys. This might actually work. On the other hand, it might render me unemployable in the future... you know, no sane person ever employs a tattooed and/or pierced ruffian. Hell, I wouldn't even employ myself once I have a tattoo or piercing!
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If you want to remain employable, I suggest taking the approach with the mace in the dark parking lot.
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@Infinity said:
@dhromed said:
No, I think you should take control of the situation and attack before he has the opportunity. I'm thinking baseballbat. With a few big nails driven through the end.
something along the lines of this?
Perfect!
But how will you clean off the blood and gall and get back thet lovely shine?
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I'm glad I provide you with such entertainment.
Harrumph!
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@ammoQ said:
One question: We have a new employee who wore a suit during the interview, but I've found out that he has a tattoo on the upper arm. Should I be worried?
Now you see, this is why here we insist on all interviewees attending naked. If we have any closet murderers applying for positions we want to find out ASAP.
Considering these well founded concerns, IMO wearing a suit for any interview is a both a sign of disrespect, and incredibly threatening. (What's he covering up with that suit, a pierced tattoo? He's probably a smelly gay terrorist.)
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@cpound that's a stupid selection criteria
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@wharrgarbl Don't worry, I'm sure they had time to change their criteria in 11 years
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@wharrgarbl GODDAMNIT FBMAC
I like how they put that there instead of the X years later thing. Now I can just copy/paste it. Saves time that way.
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@cpound said in This is the guy we hired:
34 interviews,
No one uses underline stop doing it MARKDOWNARLJWEJLKG
no visible tattoos or piercings
I didn't even need to look at the date to know this was an ancient necro.
no leftover "funk" in the interview room after the candidate has walked out
That's why you lay down a towel and provide him a shower and facecloth afterwards. It's called "being a gentleman".
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@genewitch said in This is the guy we hired:
that didn't leave a bad taste in the mouth
I don't think you understand how a casting couch works. And besides, he was quite explicit that it was a facial, not a swallow.
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Good necro.
When I interviewed with the founder for my current job I wore a suit. Got a comment "you didn't really have to bother."
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@dreikin said in This is the guy we hired:
@lorne-kates said in This is the guy we hired:
No one uses underline stop doing it
No.
You need more emphasis!
NO!
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@mrmurf said in This is the guy we hired:
This really isn't the place for personal pot-shots. Please try and keep it civil.
I miss the old forums...
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@yamikuronue said in This is the guy we hired:
@mrmurf said in This is the guy we hired:
This really isn't the place for personal pot-shots. Please try and keep it civil.
I miss the old forums...
/me wonders if a blast email campaign imploring old and forgotten users to return and restore the balance...
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RE: Suit and tie....
I tend to be one of the "wear the suit" types, which normally implies wearing the tie. A few years ago I was heading to a potential client where I knew they threatened to cut the tie off anyone neck who was wearing one. No solid evidence, but strong anecdotal. ..
You guessed it Suite [I went over the top with a 3 piece] - but no tie.
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@thecpuwizard said in This is the guy we hired:
You guessed it Suite [I went over the top with a 3 piece]
It doesn't seem to include a tie, but it would impress people a lot if you wore one to an interview.
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@dkf said in This is the guy we hired:
It doesn't seem to include a tie, but it would impress people a lot if you wore one to an interview.
Alas, I do not have a picture of that event... But transportation one uses can also be important so, here is a pic...
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@genewitch said in This is the guy we hired:
I understand his search for someone that washes though... when did personal hygeine take a back seat to... i dunno... pennyarcade?
Sometime around when MIT took delivery of the TX-0. At the latest.
