Windows 9 (And Pandora) appreciation thread
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"No" because Freedom Planet is "not a rip-off". Still, the mechanics are slightly different, and I'm working on something that's even closer to being a ripoff of something else, so I really have no room to talk.
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Why strike one bug and not the others?
You know... for whatever reason I knew the others were intentional but thought that one in particular was not. I... don't really know why I didn't connect it all together. It's like a half-whoosh?
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What?
Are you trying to communicate that they're all from some fan-made game ripping off Sonic the Hedgehog?
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Exactly. Every review on Steam begins with "At first I thought this was just a Sonic clone..."
EDIT: Btw, is there a derailment badge?
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Wait wait. Back to UAC for a bit.
It looks like, with UAC on, I can no longer use random folders to store files and have to organize everything inside "My Whatever" folders?
Because visual studio refused to save files in one of my project folders.The folder in question is just F:\Whatnot, not even in C:\ or in a Program Files or Windows folder, just one of the thousand poorly named, randomly populated folders on my PC.
I'm not giving up on the right to remain disorganized, so UAC goes back off. (I'm intentionally not checking the internet for workarounds for this. You can do it for me if you wish.)There was also the debacle with Java updater trying to update itself, throwing UAC dialogs in my general direction, and when I gave in and let it - just said that the latest version of Java is already installed. Obviously a Java hatedater issue, but disabling UAC seems easier than brawling with every single bad piece of slapware installed on my PC.
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"At first I thought this was just a Sonic clone..."
run fast. gotta run fast. fast fast fast. gotta run! run faster!
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IT IS NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FUCKING INI FILE THAT WAS JUST A RANDOM GUESS I MADE BECAUSE UAC WONT FUCKING TELL ME.
Haven't read downthread yet.
Did you try googling "why does diablo 3 uac?"
First response i got was actually about the battle.net launcher, on blizzard's forums, where they admitted there was a bug.
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With UAC on, you will be warned if something needs elevated privileges. If the installer correctly modifies folder access rights, you're fine forever.
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It's just one of the thousand folders I haphazardly spawned into my hard-drive.
Do I need to go and mess with the access rights of each folder I create to allow it to be used by non-privileged programs? (EDIT: I'm honestly asking - I have no idea how this works and have decided to use you guys instead of google for this)
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More likely this is a result of you having accidentally done that already.
For instance, I map tfs to a folder in C. C:/TFS/...
I don't have to fight UAC for this. I am on Windows 8.1, and if you are not and previous versions are less sane, you may have issues.
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Hmm? I didn't touch folder access rights.
Looking at them now, I see all my folders have my user account as having only read-only permissions for them. I guess that's the default for new folders, as I just tried creating a new folder in my D drive (still no program files / windows in sight) and got the same access rights.
I'm still using Windows7, by the way.
I guess I will try not disabling UAC once I switch to Windows 10, whenever that becomes available.
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@created_just_to_disl said:
I see all my folders have my user account as having only read-only permissions for them. I guess that's the default for new folders, as I just tried creating a new folder in my D drive (still no program files / windows in sight) and got the same access rights.
TRWTF? If that's correct, it sounds like a very user hostile action. And not in a Jeff sort of way.
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I assume people with windows 7 (not exactly the least popular OS now) could confirm whether what I'm seeing is some kind of configuration error on my system. I'm having a hard time believing that's the default behaviour myself...
I'd google and check but I promised you that I won't! (EDIT: Plus - where's the fun in that?)
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Yep, using 7 and work, and you seem to be right. Of course, here, I also have local admin access, so that may be why I see no issue here. I need to check my laptop when I get home to see what the default 8.1 behavior is.
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@created_just_to_disl said:
I just tried creating a new folder in my D drive (still no program files / windows in sight) and got the same access rights.
It should get the same permissions as the D drive. Does Authenticated Users or some other group have write access?
Edit: Quoted the wrong person
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It should get the same permissions as the D drive. Does Authenticated Users or some other group have write access?
Shouldn't creating a directory require write access?
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You need to make sure that you're actually the owner of the folder or at least have r/w access rights.
I have been using such folders for a long time and you're obviously doing something wrong.
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Shouldn't creating a directory require write access?
Indeed. That's why I assume he must be in some group that does have write permission and those are the permissions it will give new files and folders. I would expect created_just_to_disl to be the owner but not to be given a special 'user' permission as the system presumes that the D drive permissions are sufficient for the user to modify already.
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It should get the same permissions as the D drive. Does Authenticated Users or some other group have write access?
Yeah, "Authenticated Users" & "SYSTEM" have write access, while my user account doesn't.
I guess that's the problem on my machine...EDIT: ... Not entirely sure what the reason for this is (aka - what did I do wrong) or how to "correctly" solve it, though. Access rights give me a headache.
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@created_just_to_disl said:
What?Are you trying to communicate that they're all from some fan-made game ripping off Sonic the Hedgehog?
The game featured in this video is "NOT" Sonic the Hedgehog 2.5:
Freedom Planet Official Launch Trailer – 03:36
— Sabrina DiDuro
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That's some embarrassing voice acting.
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@created_just_to_disl said:
That's some embarrassing voice acting...
Probably on purpose to match the shitty JRPGs the kind of people who do things like this always love.
EDIT: to be fair, they did actually find actual women to provide voices, which is more than a lot of indie games do.
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@created_just_to_disl said:
The folder in question is just F:\Whatnot
I save stuff in folders like that all the freaking time and I left UAC on even in Vista. I also don't see the read-only "default" that you're inferring. I've done that on Vista, on 7, on 8, and on 8.1.
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@created_just_to_disl said:
I have no idea how this works and have decided to use you guys instead of google for this
In a nutshell: You get the best permissions your user and any groups it is in have (except if any have 'deny' permissions in which case you get those). New objects inherit permissions from their parent and have to be explicitly told not to if you want them to be different. Objects moved within a partition keep their permissions. Objects copied are new. Objects moved to a different partition are treated as new (copied and deleted from original location). There's not much more to it.
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@created_just_to_disl said:
Yeah, "Authenticated Users" & "SYSTEM" have write access, while my user account doesn't.I guess that's the problem on my machine...
Oh, are you set up to have a no password user?
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to be fair, they did actually find actual women to provide voices, which is more than
a lot of indie games doShakespeare ever did.PTFY
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Oh, are you set up to have a no password user?
Yeah. Personal computer, so not a WTF. (Unless you count still having a personal computer in this day and age)
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@created_just_to_disl said:
Yeah. Personal computer, so not a WTF.
Do you mean "desktop computer?" I think everybody on Earth has 4 personal computers.
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Diablo shouldn't be requesting administrator permissions. I suspect it is needed for DRM Purposes. You know, connecting to their kernel rootkit or whatever the hell they use these days.
Also spare us the "I'm a programmer, and UAC makes it hard to work" What a load of bullshit that is. I'm a programmer myself (for a living) but the only reason I can see UAC making programming difficult is if you don't understand the basic design principles behind it and how applications should deal with it. (You want admin? prompt for it. You need admin for something? show the icon, and when it's pressed, prompt and re-elevate). I'm sick of applications that don't even prompt at all. You'll press a button and get a generic "permission denied" error. So you have to relaunch the program yourself to do the task, because some asshole decided to design software in 2014 but only test it on an OS from 2001.
By the way- the reason a whitelist doesn't exist should be obvious. If a whitelist existed, malicious programs would simply add themselves to the whitelist, then self-elevate.
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I alluded to the voice issue before. It makes it very hard to take it seriously. It does at least have thoughtfully designed bossfights, though. I like that the title has itself in katakana under it. If, as I've always assumed, it's made in the US, they at least took the time to learn how to write English words in the Japanese 'foreign words' alphabet.
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Do you mean "desktop computer?" I think everybody on Earth has 4 personal computers.
It is a desktop computer, but I guess I meant a computer that only me and people I trust have access to.
(EDIT2: Okay, I guess the "still have a personal computer in this day and age" comment does only apply to it being a desktop computer. So a little of both)EDIT: Would it kill me to password-protect it? Probably not. Would it save me? Maybe once a thousand years. Am I going to? Definitely not.
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I like that the title has itself in katakana under it.
I think at this point in the gaming industry, making it appear to be Japanese-developed is more a negative than a positive.
"Hey look, this game came from the country making stodgy, uncreative games and shitty hardware! You know, the one that has virtually zero indie scene."
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Hey now, they have a very strong indie scene! Sure, it's mostly not things anyone can be proud of, and that I refuse to mention here. But I know of some small groups that do rather well. Zun being the best example of doing it alone. But I quite like Tasogare Frontier and Frontier Aja's work.
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When I think "Japanese indie scene" I think trash like Sexy Hiking and/or that Oculus Rift game where you peek under skirts.
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Since Vista, UAC means the same thing now takes three clicks. That's 50% better security right there.
Except that drive-by stuff that clicks buttons for you can't run, if you weren't dumb enough to disable the secure desktop.
The classic supposedly-non-malware example is Bluetooth drivers, which will typically trigger a "are you sure you want to run this unknown driver installer." Hardware makers would just put up a full-screen always-on-top window, knowing the warning window would come up behind it, and then use FindWindow and SendMessage to click OK. Can't do that with UAC, because the window's not there.
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It'd say less likely to be translated to something like "error: success" because of some crap handling.
Error: success is almost always a program bug: it's caused by the program asking "what went wrong" too late.
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And I think bullethells, fighters, and castlevania clones. The stuff you mention is only the tip of the bad stuff, but there is good stuff too.
But they typically sell things in person at conventions, and don't have to rely on sleeping with journalists to market their games. They generally don't even market them. They have it better and worse at the same time.
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But they typically sell things in person at conventions, and don't have to rely on sleeping with journalists to market their games.
Duh. Because young people in Japan don't do that sex thing.
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And I think bullethells,
Oh, right. Touhou or whatever. A bullethell where every character is a 600-year-old witch in a 10-year-old girl's body.
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See I thought that might be the reason for diablo's problem at one point, but I've changed every possible exe in that directory to run as Administrator by default with wide open permission to everything, yet that annoying popup persists.
Are you even sure it's Diablo that's doing it? The Battle.Net updater will regularly pop UAC. I'm not sure knowing that helps, but maybe installing it somewhere else will help? I have all my apps in d:\apps because C: is an SSD that's not big enough for all that stuff.
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successfully hiding the hat.
He stole that story from Scott Adams, who told it about an umbrella in the 90s.
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I hate people who dance around too much when they talk. If I wanted jazz hands, I'd go to Broadway. And I would never go to Broadway. I know they'd look lifeless if they kept still, but they could always... you know... not be visible.
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even before opening IE for the one and only time ever to download the firefox installer
Who the fuck even does this instead of using Ninite?
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Let me rephrase:
Who still does this.
You should be using Ninite when setting up a computer because it installs everything at once instead of having to find installers all over the internet.
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Ofc they do. But it's a different matter to promote a game for it. that can't happen if the games never get reported on anyway.
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You should be using Ninite when setting up a computer because it installs everything at once instead of having to find installers all over the internet.
I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. However, it still makes sense to install an alternate browser immediately so you can browse while ninite does its stuff.
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Ofc they do.
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