Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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I was wondering about that, a lot of the country highways out here are made of gravel and oil yet still looks and feels about like asphalt.
That shit gets sticky as fuck when it rains. The oil they use is thick as hell. Next time you see it freshly laid down, get out of your car and walk around-- you end up with half the road on your shoes!
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Darn you with your references and facts.
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So the minor oil dripping/oozing from cars builds up, and then when you get that first rain, there's this ultra-slick oil-water layer on the road. Happens especially when that first rain is light.
WTF kind of shitty-ass cars are people driving there. Or are we talking like a decade with no rain?
We had about 2.5-3 solid months of no rain this summer, and I didn't see any evidence of slick roads when it did come down.
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I was wondering about that, a lot of the country highways out here are made of gravel and oil yet still looks and feels about like asphalt. I've never seen one turn slick due to rain and I know there's a ton of oil in those surfaces.
Umm, asphalt is partly oil. Asphalt is a mixture of bitumen (the residue from fractioned vacuum destillation of crude oil) and gravel.
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We have a road that's 55mph and is has a mile long gradual bend. The first snow of every year, the ditch on the outside of the curve collects five or six SUVs. People with four wheel drive sometimes forget that 4WD doesn't help you turn any better than 2WD.
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I apologize for not being a road surfaces engineer. Asphalt and oiled gravel always seemed to be considered distinct road types in the area.
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Well, the usage of the wording, now that I've looked it up, can indeed be confusing.
For instance, I myself didn't know that asphalt and bitumen can be used interchangeably (at least in English) and that you should use "asphalt concrete" to denotate the actual mixture of gravel and bitumen used for building roads ;)
That's what you get for listening to Chemistry professors.
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WTF kind of shitty-ass cars are people driving there. Or are we talking like a decade with no rain?
We had about 2.5-3 solid months of no rain this summer, and I didn't see any evidence of slick roads when it did come down.
I assume that's because Ballmer has a fleet of of oil-skimming trucks scouring the highways - he used the profits to buy the Clippers.
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A lot of parking lots were not designed for trucks and don't have enough room to maneuver. I often have to swing my front end all the way through an adjacent spot during the turn if I want to end between the lines. If there is no adjacent spot, it isn't happening. No excuse for the blue one though since it's a standard cab 1500.
In this particular parking lot, the silver truck should have had no problem, the spaces are angle directly to meet incoming vehicles. The blue truck is even worse, because what's behind him is an ENORMOUS EMPTY LOT. He had all the goddamn room in the world to maneuver, but instead he came in from the WRONG DIRECTION and instead of taking a wide angle through the empty lot to line it up, he just said FUCK IT I WILL PARK LIKE THIS SCREW YOU ALL.
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I only took "stupid-people" Chemistry in college for the general education requirement. It was all review from my high school class so I got to sit in the back and read Star Wars novels during class. I briefly tuned into the lecture near the end of the semester and they were finally starting to discuss the periodic table of elements. Makes me wonder what they discussed for the first 3/4 of the class.
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Asphalt contains some oil, but cars drip oil all of the time. The first hour or so of rain will be much more slippery than the later part of a rainy day because the oil hasn't washed off of the road yet.
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Asphalt contains some oil, but cars drip oil all of the time. The first hour or so of rain will be much more slippery than the later part of a rainy day because the oil hasn't washed off of the road yet.
How much oil do your cars leak? And the hydrocarbons of asphalt are that stable that you usually have hell of a time to get them moving; i.e. you need around 500 °C. And there are virtually no short hydrocarbons left in asphalt.
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I only took "stupid-people" Chemistry in college
We called those $SCIENCE for Poets at my school.
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Oh right, I meant to reply to this topic yesterday with some of my personal pet peeves.
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I-496 regularly has traffic going 15mph under the speed limit1... but only in the right lane. This is a cross-town freeway, so it doesn't usually have that many trucks on it (they stick to I-96, I-69, or US-127).
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Trucks only seem to be on freeways during rush hour.2
1I-496 is a 70mph freeway and Michigan has a minimum speed limit of 55mph on 70mph freeways... going slower than this without good reason can get you ticketed.
2I've seen this happen any time I have a morning doctor appointment or other thing that makes me later than usual or if I have to leave early for any reason.
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How much oil do your cars leak? And the hydrocarbons of asphalt are that stable that you usually have hell of a time to get them moving; i.e. you need around 500 °C. And there are virtually no short hydrocarbons left in asphalt.
I've driven the stretch of road ijij is referring to and there are enough cars that travel that way that a tiny amount from each car would be enough. You can believe what you want about the stability of hydrocarbons, but I know that the roads are more slippery in the first hour of rain.
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Equally nice are the people parking second row in a street where stopping (not merely parking) is absolutely forbidden. And they usually think that turning on the warning flashers makes it all good.
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Don't your tiny-ass East Coast states have those nasty car inspections? But dripping oil ain't no thang?
It's still not adding up in my head. But that's ok, because it just reinforces that I live in the only area of the world that isn't a horrible hellhole.
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Equally nice are the people parking second row in a street where stopping (not merely parking) is absolutely forbidden. And they usually think that turning on the warning flashers makes it all good.
You should stay out of Philadelphia.
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I've driven the stretch of road ijij is referring to and there are enough cars that travel that way that a tiny amount from each car would be enough. You can believe what you want about the stability of hydrocarbons, but I know that the roads are more slippery in the first hour of rain.
I would be careful with your correlation-causation-relationship.
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Don't your tiny-ass East Coast states have those nasty car inspections? But dripping oil ain't no thang?
Correct. New York added a $6 fee a few years back specifically so the inspector would check if the gas cap is on tight. Dripping fluids won't fail you, unless it's gasoline.
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I would be careful with your correlation-causation-relationship.
And I'll be careful driving when the rain first starts.
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Equally nice are the people parking second row in a street where stopping (not merely parking) is absolutely forbidden. And they usually think that turning on the warning flashers makes it all good.
Saw in NYC, truck had triple-parked, and the ve-hicle that had been double parked had left... yep, flashers made that all good.
Actually NYC is a decent place to drive... you never get complacent about what's gonna happen next.
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Correct. New York added a $6 fee a few years back specifically so the inspector would check if the gas cap is on tight. Dripping fluids won't fail you, unless it's gasoline.
If there's enough oil dripping to fail an inspection, your car isn't going to be running for long.
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Are East Coast inspections as much of a joke as Midwest inspections? When I moved here I had to pay like a $25 fee for an inspection specifically for out-of-state vehicles trying to register in-state, at an office run by the county sheriff. I handed the guy a check and he handed me the slip I needed for the DMV. At no point did he actually inspect my vehicle.
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You can believe what you want about the stability of hydrocarbons
, but I know that the roads are more slippery in the first hour of rain.or you could do a quick google search and confirm what everyone else already knew
FTFY & LMGTFY - which is aimed more at @blakeyrat than @flwf but whateverThe first 10 minutes after light rain begins are the most dangerous The rain mixes with oil from motor vehicles and oil from new asphalt The result is a slippery roadway If it rains hard and long enough, the rain washes off the oil and the slippery conditions are reduced
source: http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/buses/updatedweb/topic_8/page5.htmlThe newer the asphalt or more highly traveled the road, the worse the problem.
Old shitty roads with low traffic do not get that much worse immediately after it starts raining.
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And I'll be careful driving when the rain first starts.
Yes, but not due to the oil but due to the water. Water is a good lubricant all of itself (like any kind of fluid, actually). It's the reason why you have to be careful around swimming pools (and, no, that's not due to spilled suntan lotion).
The reasons why we use hydrocarbon / silicon oils for lubrication stem from two other properties of water:
a) It evaporates easily
b) It's corrosive under certain cirumstances.
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Some counties in Washington State do emissions. If your car ain't from like 1985, it's a hand-wave.
Last time I went, they didn't even bother with the measuring wand thing that sticks in your exhaust, they just plugged into the ODBII port and looked for errors there. It doesn't matter if the emissions control system works, only that the car computer thinks it does!
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Yes, but not due to the oil but due to the water. Water is a good lubricant all of itself (like any kind of fluid, actually). It's the reason why you have to be careful around swimming pools (and, no, that's not due to spilled suntan lotion).
The reasons why we use hydrocarbon / silicon oils for lubrication stem from two other properties of water:
a) It evaporates easily
b) It's corrosive under certain cirumstances.No.
Thank you @darkmatter for finding that for me... I was only getting answers.com crap in my search.,
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Don't your tiny-ass East Coast states have those nasty car inspections? But dripping oil ain't no thang?
We'll try this: "greases and oils" on the road.
Better?
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Thank you @darkmatter for finding that for me... I was only getting answers.com crap in my search.,
Dang. Now I know how @blakeyrat felt.
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/driving-anti-patterns/3300/249?u=boomzilla
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Anecdote time also - the first week after they re-paved the parking lot in my old high school, there came a flash storm just as school let out. There were fender benders everywhere; even if you were only going 5mph, if you touched the brakes at all, you went skidding around.
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We'll try this: "greases and oils" on the road.
Better?
The laws of physics and shit work differently around him.
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No.
Thank you @darkmatter for finding that for me... I was only getting answers.com crap in my search.,
Well, that's a nice answer. It's probably more the dirt and the dust mixing with water than any amount of dripping oil.
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wow how the hell did i miss that...
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Well, that's a nice answer. It's probably more the dirt and the dust mixing with water than any amount of dripping oil.
sigh
I quit.
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The laws of physics and shit work differently around him.
Well, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
As I said, I pretty much knew about slickness thing before, in my head.
Now I understand it.
Also, it was cool I impressed my son with my Jedi car-control powers.
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I quit.
Clearly the NHTSA is lying. It's all a government conspiracy to get you to believe Oil drippings causes the planes to crash into the World Trade Center on 9/11.
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Clearly the NHTSA is lying. It's all a government conspiracy to get you to believe Oil drippings causes the planes to crash into the World Trade Center on 9/11.
I'm simply not convinced that your cars are dripping that much oil onto the streets. Because then you'd have hell of a problem with your drinking water.
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I'm simply not convinced that your cars are dripping that much oil onto the streets. Because then you'd have hell of a problem with your drinking water.
I (and the link) already noted that it is way more prominent on NEW roads where the oil from new asphalt hasn't washed away yet. Or extremely high traffic areas that have long dry spells...
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I'm simply not convinced that your cars are dripping that much oil onto the streets. Because then you'd have hell of a problem with your drinking water.
I see way more cars that are obviously burning oil (or using 2-stroke mix but I doubt it) than those that are obviously dripping oil. Our streets are surprisingly clean as far as vehicle fluid stains.
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Now there's a 7% attendance badge....? wtf talk about badge inflation.
oh.. and drivers suck (to be on topic, since this has to be the most on topic thread ever in the history of TDWTF forums)
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Having never come across the term, I googled it and ended up on Urban Dictionary. I presume #2 and #3 are closer to what y'all talking about rather than #1?
Yes. And you've probably never come across the term because you've probably never had the misfortune of having to drive in New Jersey, which is more or less the only place where they have such a stupid thing.
They tried to add one here in Dallas a year or two ago. I don't get out that way much but I believe people basically ignore it in favor of the left turn lane that's always been there.
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Now there's a 7% attendance badge....? wtf talk about badge inflation.
7% attendance where the mouseover says "you have been to the forum for 7 consecutive days"
Badge Naming wtfs?Cloverleafs beat Jughandles.
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Yes. And you've probably never come across the term because you've probably never had the misfortune of having to drive in New Jersey, which is more or less the only place where they have such a stupid thing.
They tried to add one here in Dallas a year or two ago. I don't get out that way much but I believe people basically ignore it in favor of the left turn lane that's always been there.
A jughandle AND a left turn lane? That is a WTF.
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Parking, no, not in the handicapped spot,.. in the hashed area BETWEEN the handicapped spots.
Seen it. I've seen people-rarely-also park in the end of a row in a hashed area next to regular spots.
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"Stop behind the white line!" But if you do, you can't see traffic coming from the left
In my experience the best thing you can do is stop at the line, and then roll forward until you can see.
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Seen it. I've seen people-rarely-also park in the end of a row in a hashed area next to regular spots.
Though not legal, this is pretty normal for motorcycles. People get madder at motorcycles taking up an entire spot than seeing them in no-parking spots. In fact I even had a motorcycle stolen and disposed of by a neighbor who was upset that it was taking up a spot in the apartment parking lot, though I couldn't prove it and the police didn't care enough to get involved once filing the stolen vehicle report.
