Vote of No Confidence
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Ghostery blocks Gravatar. For me, only about half the people here have avatars at all.
Gravatar is in its death phase, I am ripping it out at the moment, all avatars will be served from local.
I tire of this global surveillance state we live in.
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Alex. I keep hearing you say this. I'm a full time professional tech lead/web developer for a multi-nationally recognized brand (you know which one, I'm in your LinkedIn network). I would love to contribute. I was adding in tons of missing functionality on CS with Greasemonkey scripts on my local machine. But the avenue for contributing to this is not clear to me at all.
Where is your repository? Can I submit a pull request (to your project, not the upstream Discourse project)? How would I go about submitting CSS fixes etc?
Well, yeah, help would be great. There's no repository... what kind of fancypants operation do you think we're running here!? There is the CS software and a SQL database on one server, and Discourse set up on another server. I'd say, just post some CSS in a thread, and we can paste it in the admin customization section. I already dd that to get the tag syntax working.
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Even more fun! I'm halfway through reading the new replies. I accidentally hit "Home". It unloads all the posts, and reloads just the top posts. I can't click Back to get where I was. I have no fucking idea which post I was reading.
Fuck infinite scrolling and fuck Discourse. It's barely been a day I can stand this piece of crap.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Fuck infinite scrolling and fuck Discourse. It's barely been a day I can stand this piece of crap.
Upload your old avatar so I know who is saying this.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I accidentally hit "Home". It unloads all the posts, and reloads just the top posts. I can't click Back to get where I was. I have no fucking idea which post I was reading.
I once accidently kicked the power strip off. Then I learned to not do that.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I accidentally hit "Home". It unloads all the posts, and reloads just the top posts.
First you bitch about Home not working, now you're bitching that it does? MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND!!!! Christ, you're worse than my cat.
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My cat doesn't use the interggggggggggggggllllllllllllllmnnnnnnnnnnxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x z
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I can't click Back to get where I was.
This! Discourse pollutes your browser's history with hundreds of URLs, one for each post you've scrolled over, but if you actually click a link, it breaks your browser's navigation so you can't get back where you came from.
@Lorne_Kates said:fuck Discourse
No, because it might enjoy that. Rape it with a barbed-wire dildo. (Yes, it can be purple, if you want.)
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but if you actually click a link, it breaks your browser's navigation so you can't get back where you came from.
Maybe. Notice how it updates the address bar while you scroll?
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Maybe. Notice how it updates the address bar while you scroll?
Unless you are on IE9, but if you are on IE9 you have far more serious issues.
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once accidently kicked the power strip off. Then I learned to not do that.
- Is your power strip located next to your up/down arrow keys? If so, then these are equivalent scenarios.
- Please tell me what special wizardry Discourse is doing to make it impossible to select a post that starts with "I" to quote? (I literally cannot get "I" selected from your text that I quoted) I cannot fathom how they managed to create this bug without intentionally trying to create this bug. (And yes I've posted it in the bug thread-- I'm just reminded of it every time I try to quote a post that starts with the most common word in the English language).
- Learn the tool is a fine reply-- if Discourse was a massively complex tool that required highly specialized skills to use. It isn't. It's supposed to be a forum. If pressing a common key on a common keyboard destroys the ability to perform the main function of a piece of software, then the problem is with the software. To use your example, if you called IT and said "I accidentally kicked the power bar on the servers and we lost half a day of productivity", which response would you accept?
a) "Learn not to do that"
b) "Fucking move the powerbar yourself, you fucking lazy asshole. And don't call us when you bump it with your elbow and turn it off again."
c) "Shutting off a power bar shouldn't take out a server. We'll be right there to install a UPS, just like server rooms."
Cause, really, there are solutions that work, and there's the ones that end up on The Daily What The Hell.
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What's the problem with pages, though?
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dhromed said:Maybe. Notice how it updates the address bar while you scroll?
Unless you are on IE9, but if you are on IE9 you have far more serious issues.
GAME TIME! Count how many times Sam shifts blame back to the user reporting the bug. Store it in a signed integer. Let's see how fast we can overflow that variable.
And for the record, IE9 doesn't EOL until 2020, and is the browser that will be used on all XP machines that aren't running Chrome or FF.
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XP is EOL, and you're SOL.
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I did it the same way you did, but in DC, you click the up-arrow of the thing you quoted. Solved, I guess. No change required.
The up arrow only appears if you quote text. If you reply without quoting, there's no up arrow and you're lost with no way to find your way back.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
1) Is your power strip located next to your up/down arrow keys? If so, then these are equivalent scenarios.
No. I remapped it to my "P" key. Which is rather inconvenient givem my last name...@Lorne_Kates said:
Please tell me what special wizardry Discourse is doing to make it impossible to select a post that starts with "I" to quote?
It may look like magic, but it's just software!
if (user=="lorne_kates" && text.startsWith("I")) unselect();But actually, I dont have that problem at all (IE11)
@Lorne_Kates said:
If pressing a common key on a common keyboard destroys the ability to perform the main function of a piece of software,
[/s] It sounds like it's behaving like it's supposed to? I mean, if i'm on a really long page/doc/etc, I lose my place whe I press HOME or END b/c the browser/app scrolls. There's no way to "go back" to the middle or wherever I was.
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It sounds like it's behaving like it's supposed to? I mean, if i'm on a really long page/doc/etc, I lose my place whe I press HOME or END b/c the browser/app scrolls. There's no way to "go back" to the middle or wherever I was.
The difference is that you know more or less where you were in the document. Even if you don't realize it, you've been seeing the scrollbar in your periphery, you can jump to more or less where you were and narrow in from there. Or CTRL-F and search for a word or phrase you were just reading.
Unless the browser unloads the entire document first. Which inifiniscorllllling does.
And also, if you press HOME or END in a Word document, it just jumps to the start or end of the page you are on. Because pages.
And if you press HOME or END in a Visual Studio window, it just jumps to the start or end of the viewport you're in. Because, well, not pages, but because not infiniscrolling.
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Keep in mind, search scopes you to the topic if its long enough:
We intend to kidnap CTRL-F and take you to that search box, cause CTRLf really makes less sense on a big topic and just works weird cause much of the content is not in the DOM.
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Hey, that reminds me. I was just using search. Is there a way to get a preview of the post? It's not that useful just to tell me what thread it's in.
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Serious feature request: can you add a thing to the "scroll" box so that I can type a post number in and it will go to that one? That would alleviate a good number of the complaints, I think.
Totally open to this. Or move to a "Page" if anyone can define what that should even be. Based on previous discussion, it sounds like "move to bottom 20% of discussion" is what is desired.Then I would just click the Page 3 link and find it. With Discourse I have to scroll endlessly to find it if the topic has lots of replies
You should search (Magnifying glass icon at the upper right) if you are on a topic and want to find a post in that topic. The search dynamically scopes to the topic, provided the topic is over some modest minimum length, I believe 10 posts at the moment.By that I mean in-topic search hits will come first.
Along the way, you take note of interesting posts that you'd like to come back to and comment on after you've read the entire thread. Except, how do you find those posts that you wanted to comment on?
You do it like I just did. Read, then initiate a reply by quoting. This brings up the post editor. Keep scrolling down and reading. The editor does not inhibit reading since it is docked at the bottom of the browser. As I find other things I want to reply to, I highlight them and click quote reply as I did originally. Then I reach the end of the topic here, and I fill in my responses below each quote block.Did I mention that the editor saves drafts on the server automatically as you write? So I could come back to this half composed reply on a different computer a day later and finish it up and submit it. The editor will pop up if you enter the topic and have a draft reply started for that topic. Try it.
You can also navigate to different topics with the editor up. Try it. You can also minimize the editor any time without losing your composed reply. Try that too.
Bottom line, the editor lets you read while you write, and stage replies as you go.
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Hey, that reminds me. I was just using search. Is there a way to get a preview of the post? It's not that useful just to tell me what thread it's in.
+1
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We intend to kidnap CTRL-F
Please don't do that, or attempt to kidnap any other browser-function keys. They already have a purpose. I already have enough Greasemonkey scripts installed just so I can use F5 on Twitter and other browser functions on other sites. It's stupid enough that a browser even lets you kidnap function keys. Don't be a douche by taking advantage of it.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
The difference is that you know more or less where you were in the document. Even if you don't realize it, you've been seeing the scrollbar in your periphery, you can jump to more or less where you were and narrow in from there.
OK, good way of putting it -- I think i get it. Finally. The scrollbar and pagination serve as a relative indicator, that shows where you are on the page/conversation. You're right, we all use that without realizing it.
That being said... this is the first time I've "really" been using Discourse... I mean I played around with sandbox, test install, and all that... but I haven't been involved/reading in engaging topics like this.
I'm finding myself slowly using that green X/Y thingy to serve the same purpose. I kind of like it better, because I don't need to remember "about which page" I was on, in addition to where the scrollbar was. But i dont know how to jump to "about the middle".
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I'm finding myself slowly using that green X/Y thingy to serve the same purpose.
I've racked up 150 posts so far, and I think I've used it like 3 times, mostly when I was too lazy to move my hand off the mouse to hit the End or Home keys. I don't even notice it's there, except after I post and the count is wrong.
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+1 Brazilian
Meh.. 4 out of 10.
She'd be a 9 if she had a right arm, but I don't share your amputee fetish.
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She'd be a 9 if she had a right arm, but I don't share your amputee fetish.
Oh. I wasn't looking at her arms.
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She'd be a 9 if she had a right arm, but I don't share your amputee fetish.
Stage right or audience right?
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Oh. I wasn't looking at her arms.
You were looking at the flag?
Why does the Brazilian flag say "Ordem E Progresso"? Are they trying to order soup?
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Stage right.
I was going to say she clearly has a stage right arm, but then I looked more closely, and I don't actually know what the fuck is going on with her arms, there appears to be just one sprouting out of her torso, and I'm not clear on anything anymore. What is the sky.
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What is the sky.
The pig go. Go is to the fountain. The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup. The dove fly. Fly is in sky. The dove drop something. The something on the pig. The pig disgusting. The pig rattle. Rattle with dove. The dove angry. The pig leave. The dove produce. Produce is chicken wing. With wing bark. No Quack.
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We intend to kidnap CTRL-F and take you to that search box, cause CTRLf really makes less sense on a big topic and just works weird cause much of the content is not in the DOM.
Don't do that unless you plan to emulate everything that ^F in my browser currently does (slightly fades out the page when there are matches, highlights every match, highlights current match in different colour, jumps to the next match when I press Enter, has "Match case" and "Match whole word only" checkboxes and jump to next/previous match buttons).
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For threads with a dozen pages or more, this is actually just completely false. For me anyway. Good luck finding which page your interesting post was on. Was it 3? Let's read it... no ok, 4? let's read that... 5?... 6?
Infinite scrolling is a linear search. Pages are a binary search.Infinite scrolling does not solve this, obviously, but it also isn't the slap in the face you make it out to be.
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Ha ?
That disappears when I start a reply draft.
This compounds with the problem that: a) I can't start a reply in a new tab; b) I don't want to lose track of a post I want to reply, because getting back to it can be troublesome
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What's the problem with pages, though?
Worst stand-up comedy ever.
@codinghorror said:You do it like I just did. Read, then initiate a reply by quoting. This brings up the post editor. Keep scrolling down and reading. The editor does not inhibit reading since it is docked at the bottom of the browser. As I find other things I want to reply to, I highlight them and click quote reply as I did originally. Then I reach the end of the topic here, and I fill in my responses below each quote block.
I really like this. But it seems to be somewhat broken. It kept requoting dhromed as I tried to quote you. Only on my third attempt did it actually work.Please fix the disappearance of the "progress box" or whatever you call it.
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Ha ?
Unless, of course, you have the 'write reply' window around (minimised or not), in which case you can't see that.
Ditto.
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Aside: I find the idea of "threads" or "topics" gets in the way of reading. We just need one infinitely-scrolling page that we can filter.
Can we also add an option to r enter enter enter to jump to a random post video?
Filed under: [It honestly took ages to find this post][1]
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That being said... this is the first time I've "really" been using Discours
Like I keep repeating: UI cannot be reasoned about in a Kantian way. You have to actually use it for realsies.
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Infinite scrolling is a linear search. Pages are a binary search.
Interesting point. I refer you to my post in another thread:
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/discourse-and-our-reaction-to-it/344/191?u=dhromed
I like to call it "scroller-based fluid-binary search"
Edit:
I like this cross-thread linked quoting.
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Well it looks like a lot of people have already migrated over from the old site.
It's the flies on shit effect.
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I find the idea of "threads" or "topics" gets in the way of reading. We just need one infinitely-scrolling page that we can filter.
I find the idea of "reading" gets in the way of Grumpy Cat. We just need one infinitely-prolonged video that replaces the entire Intarnetwebs.
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Trying to appease both sides, while possibly gathering hate from both instead: how about infinite scrolling of pages?
I mean, besides having "42 of 404" (and assuming 20 posts per page), you'd have also have "(page 3 of 21)" on the progress not-a-scrollbar.
Clicking on the center of the progress not-a-scrollbar would pop up a list of the pages, with the current page clearly highlighted.
Clicking on eg. page 14 would load posts 261 to 280, plus a few posts from the end of page 13.
You feel like it, go nuts with a fast animation of the new page sliding in from below (or equivalently, the viewport scrolling down).Scrolling would seamlessly load posts as before, but the divider between posts of different pages would be differentiated in a subtle but noticeable way, like a slight thicker horizontal line.
What do you guys think?
