Lotus Notes: Spearheading the social/mobile web revolution!
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@Xyro said:
Okay, let's summarize...
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Wait, how is it possible you can put those things in one post?! SORCERER!
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@C-Octothorpe said:
Do you speak the same way you post?
Shatner is ... a great ... actor. Fantastic ... in ... over, the hedge.
In case you didn't know, the correct answer is: Original series over next generation, but Picard over Kirk.
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@MatNewman said:
sudo apt-get install libmyodbc
Oh cool, I had no idea. We generally just use JDBC or plain drivers over here.@MatNewman said:
Yeah. I guess if all you use is Email without any workflow or integration into external systems (which is called increasing productivity and process automation) you have no understanding of what is actually possible outside the Microsoft and Google world.
You sound presumptive and hostile. I won't take it personally, [url=http://www.ihatelotusnotes.com]I've heard what you've been through[/url].
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@blakeyrat said:
Hey spam more, asshole.
Just trying to get to that 1000 post SpectateSwamp milestone.
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By the way, I'd just like to assert for the sake of the discussion: a workflow need not be in one window or one application.
Comments?
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@Xyro said:
By the way, I'd just like to assert for the sake of the discussion: a workflow need not be in one window or one application.
But context is awesome:
And the sorcery here is that Lotus Notes recognized the address and with a single click on the address, did the search, opened that side-bar panel and displayed the results.
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@MatNewman said:
And the sorcery here is that Lotus Notes recognized the address and with a single click on the address, did the search, opened that side-bar panel and displayed the results.
Yesss... and it used Google Maps.
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@spamcourt said:
@MatNewman said:
And the sorcery here is that Lotus Notes recognized the address and with a single click on the address, did the search, opened that side-bar panel and displayed the results.
Yesss... and it used Google Maps.
cassandra.jpg ?Gmail does that too, but I checked around and it turns out that's because I have a lab turned on. Presumably it's off by default. If you go to your Gmail settings > Labs > (search for "map" for speed) > enable "Google Maps previews in mail".
I guess having to enable that manually is a pretty big productivity killer. But hey, it's configuration, and if we're going to compare configuration time, I don't think you'd want Lotus Notes in the race.
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@spamcourt said:
Yesss... and it used Google Maps.
Slaps Head!
Yes, on purpose, so it was easily recognisable.
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@Xyro said:
I don't think you'd want Lotus Notes in the race.
No contest, I'd roll it (and hundreds of other widgets at the same time) out to my users with a policy, 0 configuration on their behalf.
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@MatNewman said:
No contest, I'd roll it
Riiight...The discussion got pretty threaded up yesterday. Let's recap: have we found something that beats Gmail or Outlook yet..?
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@MatNewman said:
@Xyro said:
Yep, 0 configuration on their behalf and 0% chance that the configuration will work on their behalf.I don't think you'd want Lotus Notes in the race.
No contest, I'd roll it (and hundreds of other widgets at the same time) out to my users with a policy, 0 configuration on their behalf.
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@Xyro said:
have we found something that beats Gmail or Outlook yet..?
telnet is always my first choice for HTTP, SMTP, IMAP, and TDWTF
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@Xyro said:
The discussion got pretty threaded up yesterday. Let's recap: have we found something that beats Gmail or Outlook yet..?
Has anyone suggested the new Outlook.com yet?
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Welp. It's been a week. No sign of the advocate. I guess it's over. :(
It was fun while it lasted, and it lasted longer that I had thought. He was no Spectate, but over all, it wasn't bad. 6.8 out of 10.
I'm trying to think of a takeaway here. Best I can come up with is to never get involved in a land war in Asia. Any others?
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Lotus Notes is spearheading the social/mobile web revolution!
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@blakeyrat said:
Lotus Notes is spearheading the social/mobile web revolution!
Don't you have to say that three times?
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@boomzilla said:
@blakeyrat said:
No. Five.Lotus Notes is spearheading the social/mobile web revolution!
Don't you have to say that three times?
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@blakeyrat said:
@Cassidy said:
Okay, so Notes is universally reviled. Does it have any redeeming features? Other than those that are.. erm.. found in other products?
No.
OMG there's 5 more pages of this? Well, apologies if someone else already brought this up, but that's not true: the heiroglyphics it used to display when you typed in your password were mildly amusing the first time.
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@FrostCat said:
@blakeyrat said:
As some one who never used Lotus Notes I had to look up what you were refering to, and luckily Code Horror had a wonderful topic on it, for those interested:@Cassidy said:
OMG there's 5 more pages of this? Well, apologies if someone else already brought this up, but that's not true: the heiroglyphics it used to display when you typed in your password were mildly amusing the first time.Okay, so Notes is universally reviled. Does it have any redeeming features? Other than those that are.. erm.. found in other products?
No.http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2008/02/the-dramatic-password-reveal.html
All I could think when reading it was wtf?!
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OMG. Seriously? After the 4th character you type in the password dialog, the old heiroglyphs (the new keyring) will start changing. The symbol that appears for your current password is always the same. That's the prompt that you've typed in your password correctly. Change your Lotus Notes password, you get a new keyring.
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@MatNewman said:
The symbol that appears for your current password is always the same. That's the prompt that you've typed in your password correctly.
You do realize that having that kind of prompt is a bad thing right? It is showing information about the password to anyone looking at the screen (other than length, as in the Atwood article Anketam he says they do a random number of symbols for each keypress). Basically they went "hey this secret only you are supposed to know? we are going to give away info about it and not let you fix typos in the middle of it".
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@locallunatic said:
this secret only you are supposed to know? we are going to give away info about it
It's more like a hash. That also "gives away info about it", except it really doesn't.
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@dhromed said:
@locallunatic said:
this secret only you are supposed to know? we are going to give away info about it
It's more like a hash. That also "gives away info about it", except it really doesn't.
It is a hash and while that doesn't give away info that is easily reversed into the inputs it is none the less providing information. Think about a program that showed the hash of your password as you typed it in, yes it doesn't help someone know what you are typing but it would help them if they were trying to guess what you had put in (not a big help as it just means that the value doesn't need to be submitted durring a brute force attack, but it does mean you can't do delays on invalid submission).
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@dhromed said:
It's more like a hash.
Because of the hieroglyphs it's not really a hash, but close, so it's more of a hash-ish
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I'm one of those lucky guys that has the honor to use Lotus Notes!
The company I work for recently bought a competitor that had a lot of their "databases" in Notes (probably one of the reasons the were not really competitive anymore?). Anyway even though a lot of time and money was involved they were not really able to get all the data out of those "databases" in a usable format. For me anyone that is a Notes fan just has no clue about IT.
I just laugh at this marketing moron in this thread. clueless. integration is not embedding any external application in 1 client. Integration happens on the server-side were data is visible across applications if required.Creating a kitchen-sink client is just moronic. You want applications that have exactly 1 goal (no configuration needed) and are tailored to achieve that goal and have an UI helping the user not hindering him. That also keeps your applications simpler and hence less buggy.
But however had the idea to integrate a "database" in an email client shot be shot.
Here a nice screenshot of notes memory consumption while doing nothing but waiting for new emails (note that there a re at least 2 processes):
[IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/fmkmlf.png[/IMG]
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@beginner_ said:
To help put that in scale of how bad that is... Right now my Outlook is using 34164 K of Memory or 13.4% of what lotus notes is using.I'm one of those lucky guys that has the honor to use Lotus Notes!
The company I work for recently bought a competitor that had a lot of their "databases" in Notes (probably one of the reasons the were not really competitive anymore?). Anyway even though a lot of time and money was involved they were not really able to get all the data out of those "databases" in a usable format. For me anyone that is a Notes fan just has no clue about IT.
I just laugh at this marketing moron in this thread. clueless. integration is not embedding any external application in 1 client. Integration happens on the server-side were data is visible across applications if required.Creating a kitchen-sink client is just moronic. You want applications that have exactly 1 goal (no configuration needed) and are tailored to achieve that goal and have an UI helping the user not hindering him. That also keeps your applications simpler and hence less buggy.
But however had the idea to integrate a "database" in an email client shot be shot.
Here a nice screenshot of notes memory consumption while doing nothing but waiting for new emails (note that there a re at least 2 processes):
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@Anketam said:
Right now my Outlook is using 34164 K of Memory or 13.4% of what lotus notes is using.
Oh snap...
Mail.app is a lousy mail client.
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@Mr. DOS said:
Mail.app is a lousy mail client.
It's doing better than my Outlook...
[IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/rh8kqo.png[/IMG]
That said, I am using the 2013 beta and have two Exchange accounts in it, one of which has close to 7500 items in the inbox, so that may explain the large amount of memory usage.On a random note, I would love to know why the Dolby Profile Selector is using 30MB of RAM when all it is is an icon in the system tray.
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LET'S ALL POST SCREENSHOTS OF OUR TASK MANAGER SHOWING HOW MUCH MEMORY OUR EMAIL CLIENTS ARE USING!
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@blakeyrat said:
LET'S ALL POST SCREENSHOTS OF OUR TASK MANAGER SHOWING HOW MUCH MEMORY OUR EMAIL CLIENTS ARE USING!
As everyone can see, Lotus Notes is using lots of memory, more than Outlook or Gmail. And Linux is very lightweight.
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@Speakerphone Dude said:
As everyone can see, Lotus Notes is using lots of memory...
Be honest: that was a Firefox process, wasn't it?
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Your photoshop is bad and you should feel bad.
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@Speakerphone Dude said:
As everyone can see, Lotus Notes is using lots of memory, more than Outlook or Gmail. And Linux is very lightweight.
Man, you were so close to fooling me with that fake picture! Your only mistake is that the processes for the RussianBotnetClient.exe do not consume the same ammount of memory and that is flat out impossible. Better luck next time!
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Memory (Private working set) shows current working set, not including shared code pages. Working set includes physical pages currently mapped to the process' address space. It's not a good measure of the total memory allocated by the process, and can go up and down depending on the app activity, even if it doesn't call memory management functions.
Commit size, on the other hand, shows total amount of address space allocated in the process. It includes physical pages, and pages currently paged out. This is better measure of app's memory comsumption.
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Thanks Dr. Science. Now did you have a point?
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@blakeyrat said:
Your photoshop is bad and you should feel bad.
This is a true picture, and if it wasn't, I would have done it like a man, with Paint, no sissy Photoshop.
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@serguey123 said:
@Speakerphone Dude said:
As everyone can see, Lotus Notes is using lots of memory, more than Outlook or Gmail. And Linux is very lightweight.
Man, you were so close to fooling me with that fake picture! Your only mistake is that the processes for the RussianBotnetClient.exe do not consume the same ammount of memory and that is flat out impossible. Better luck next time!It's because I removed the "Description" column otherwise it would have been obvious that one is for spam, one is for identity theft and the other one is for tracking mail-order brides.
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@blakeyrat said:
LET'S ALL POST SCREENSHOTS OF OUR TASK MANAGER SHOWING HOW MUCH MEMORY OUR EMAIL CLIENTS ARE USING!
I'd rather not join in this DSW - it'd decend into the mire that is FireFox's non-existant appreciation that while an application is theoretically able to ask the OS for at least 2GB of memory, it really shouldn't in reality, no matter how many tabs (less than, say, 100) it has open. (A single tab for gmail for those that aren't keeping up.)
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@beginner_ said:
I'm one of those lucky guys that has the honor to use Lotus Notes
@beginner_ said:
For me anyone that is a Notes fan just has no clue about IT
@beginner_ said:
the idea to integrate a "database" in an email client shot be shot
You're a Notes user working in IT. You have it the wrong way around, since you clearly don't understand that Lotus Notes *IS* a Database application that includes email fuctionality.
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@Anketam said:
Anyway even though a lot of time and money was involved they were not really able to get all the data out of those "databases" in a usable format
@Anketam said:
I'm one of those lucky guys that has the honor to use Lotus Notes!
You couldn't open those databases in your own Notes client? File ->Export 'CSV'? Use an agent to export the data to XML? Expose the Domino data through a Web service? Use a DCR to CRUD the data with SQL, Oracle, DB2, or any ODBC? Configure the Notes SQL driver to make calls directly from your external apps?
@Anketam said:
I just laugh at this marketing moron in this thread
Laugh all you like. I'm not in marketing. I'm a tech. I have a very good understanding of what is possible with Lotus Notes and Domino because I've done it.
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@MatNewman said:
you clearly don't understand that Lotus Notes IS a Database application that includes email fuctionality.
Awesome! I will immediately call my client - they are working on a big Oracle implementation, so I'll tell them that some gay dude from New-Zealand said it could all be done with Lotus Notes instead. If they need help I guess you are in the "Yellow" Pages?
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@Speakerphone Dude said:
New-Zealand
How the fuck do you do this?
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@Speakerphone Dude said:
@blakeyrat said:
@Speakerphone Dude said:
New-Zealand
How the fuck do you do this?
The picture did not stay available long so now I have to make another joke. What about this one, anyone in particular finds it funny?
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@Speakerphone Dude said:
The picture did not stay available long so now I have to make another joke. What about this one, anyone in particular finds it funny?
I have always found Snohomish to be quite humorous...
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@blakeyrat said:
LET'S ALL POST SCREENSHOTS OF OUR TASK MANAGER SHOWING HOW MUCH MEMORY OUR EMAIL CLIENTS ARE USING!
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Vs5FG.png[/IMG]
Clearly, it's only ever a fair test to do it on Linux. (Also, I thought Evolution would be using way more than that; I'm surprisingly impressed.)
Note: people frequently get laughed at for using Evolution. In a thread about Lotus Notes, I feel reasonably safe.
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@ais523 said:
@blakeyrat said:
LET'S ALL POST SCREENSHOTS OF OUR TASK MANAGER SHOWING HOW MUCH MEMORY OUR EMAIL CLIENTS ARE USING!
Clearly, it's only ever a fair test to do it on Linux. (Also, I thought Evolution would be using way more than that; I'm surprisingly impressed.)
Note: people frequently get laughed at for using Evolution. In a thread about Lotus Notes, I feel reasonably safe.
More Fouad
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@MatNewman said:
@ais523 said:
Clearly, it's only ever a fair test to do it on Linux.
Lotus Notes has much better memory usage capabilities! Look how much it allocated with only one clicks!
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