Its the only way to be......
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I could like Mr B.Rat or Mr Snouffles spend all day writing posts on here saying that I don't like some aspect of the code which one of my colleagues has written, or some apsect of their hardware design or some part of the windows API, I could even post examples of it on here so that oh so clever people could point and laugh, but I don't do that because its not a very productive thing to do, what I tend to do is work with my colleague in order to improve the code, hardware design whatever, which is why boys and girls, we have an award winning design team able to implment any aspect of embedded system design.
Small team, no whining, just communication.
Its the only way to be.
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Yeah, I think everybody here got the part where your feelings were hurt in the butt because something stupid you did was exposed in these forums.
But you see, you're contradicting yourself on the "no whinning" part. That's exactly what you're doing here.
And seriously, if you want to filter good candidates and bad ones on interviews, put some effort into it. Talk to them about good practices, and about past experiences and their achievements, instead of asking them to solve a generic problem.
Edit: for those who don't get it at first site, the discussion began here.
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Methinks TRWTF doth protest too much. But at least he's not trying to be another blakeyrat.
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I am not quite sure what the 'something stupid' that was exposed is supposed to be, Oh by the way, in case you are still confused, when some company asks you to do some seemingly simple test there is actualy method in thier madness they are trying to assertain your suitabiltiy for employment looking at things like
Does it provoke an emotional response when asked to do something which you were not expecting, in Snouffly's case yes it does.
Is it likely that you will spend 90%of your time composing memos to the management pointing out the error of thier ways again Snouffly is a case in point.
and so on and etcetera
I get the impression that snoufflies has spent much of his career pointing out the error of thier ways to his managers and yet amazingly he is still in exactly the same position as he was 30 years ago, amazing that.
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I'm interviewing candidates for a programming job in my department in a couple of weeks. Thanks to all of you for the valuable tips :-)
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@karly said:
It would be whatever happened the time you met snoofle in real life and that he subsequently posted here about.I am not quite sure what the 'something stupid' that was exposed is supposed to be
I don't know why you're bothering trying to pretend otherwise. You can't seriously expect anyone to believe that you just happened to be passing, and just happened to stumble on this website, and just happened to read lots of posts by snoofle, and just happened to be so overcome by a desire to right the terrible injustices that snoofle has committed that you felt compelled even against your will to sign up and repeatedly demonstrate your inability to accurately copy-type a name that is printed right in front of your eyes. The rank odor of butthurt exuding from you is easily perceptible to any bystander, even at the distant end of an internet connection.
Instead of whining, why don't you try giving your side of the story and explaining why it wasn't a WTF when seen from your point of view?
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For the record, I mostly agree with your sentiment that there is nothing wrong with presenting a "real world" problem such as the Towers of Hanoi as an interview question, and I don't agree with Snoffle when he thinks it's a WTF.
Having said that, I'm not really liking your tone either. Just let it go, dude. It's not worth it, and you're just making yourself available as a target.
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@Zecc said:
Your "real world" sounds like an interesting place to visit, but I'm not sure I'd want to live there![ . . . ] a "real world" problem such as the Towers of Hanoi [ . . . ]
Are you sure you didn't mean a "toy" or "model" problem?
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@DaveK said:
First of all: I used quotes. I guess they may not have the same meaning to you as they do to me. In this case I meant to signal I was abusing the terminology.Your "real world" sounds like an interesting place to visit, but I'm not sure I'd want to live there!
Are you sure you didn't mean a "toy" or "model" problem?
Second of all: this is a sort of problem you could easily be confronted in real life, say, in an interview for a programming position.
Finally: I feel slightly trolled.
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@Zecc said:
I just didn't really get it for lack of context; it came a bit out of the blue, it's not like anyone had claimed that ToH was a real-world problem and you were sarcastically disagreeing with them.@DaveK said:
First of all: I used quotes. I guess they may not have the same meaning to you as they do to me. In this case I meant to signal I was abusing the terminology.Your "real world" sounds like an interesting place to visit, but I'm not sure I'd want to live there!
Are you sure you didn't mean a "toy" or "model" problem?
@Zecc said:
Second of all: this is a sort of problem you could easily be confronted in real life, say, in an interview for a programming position.
I think snoofle (among other posters here) has adequately demonstrated that interviews are not real life!@Zecc said:
Happy new year!Finally: I feel slightly trolled.
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@DaveK said:
I think snoofle (among other posters here) has adequately demonstrated that interviews are not real life!
I must concede defeat. I can't argue with that.@DaveK said:
Happy new year!
Quite a few more hours to ago in my timezone, but Happy New Year! to all the people who are already in 2012 (with a special shout out to Samoans).
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Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot TRWTF in the first half hour in the cubicle, then you ARE TRWTF.
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@boomzilla said:
Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot TRWTF in the first half hour in the cubicle, then you ARE TRWTF.
But that TRWTF might not be TRRWTF - especially if your first half hour in the cubicle is spent staring at the walls because you don't have a computer yet. That's a pretty big WTF, but it ain't likely to be the biggest one.
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@Weng said:
@boomzilla said:
Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot TRWTF in the first half hour in the cubicle, then you ARE TRWTF.
But that TRWTF might not be TRRWTF - especially if your first half hour in the cubicle is spent staring at the walls because you don't have a computer yet. That's a pretty big WTF, but it ain't likely to be the biggest one.Well, sure, we all know that anyTRWTF is really just a TRWTF, not the onlyTRWTF. But if you can't spot a single TRWTF, then my original statement stands.
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@karly said:
I am not quite sure what the 'something stupid' that was exposed is supposed to be, Oh by the way, in case you are still confused, when some company asks you to do some seemingly simple test there is actualy method in thier madness they are trying to assertain your suitabiltiy for employment looking at things like
Does it provoke an emotional response when asked to do something which you were not expecting, in Snouffly's case yes it does.
Is it likely that you will spend 90%of your time composing memos to the management pointing out the error of thier ways again Snouffly is a case in point.
and so on and etcetera
I get the impression that snoufflies has spent much of his career pointing out the error of thier ways to his managers and yet amazingly he is still in exactly the same position as he was 30 years ago, amazing that.
When reading your posts, I'm reminded of this.
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I like Snouffles. His stories are always amusing and impressive. Snouffles, if you're listening,don't go away - karly is a sour-puss.
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blah blah blah blah poor old snoufles, basically he is an idiot who threw his toys out of his pram because an interviewer didnt ask his the questions he wanted to be asked.
Maybe next time he should give them a list of the questions he wants to answer.
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I was actually really excited by the prospect of a new troll, but this one seems to be kind of a one-hit wonder. No stamina, too repetitive. C- for effort of searching out the forum, F overall.
Edit: Also, if your existence in any way deters snoofle from continuing to post his amazing brand of WTFs, I will find you where you live.
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@AndyCanfield said:
I like Snouffles. His stories are always amusing and impressive. Snouffles, if you're listening,don't go away - karly is a sour-puss.
I like soufflés. Their stories are never as amusing or impressive as snoofle's, but they are delicious and I like them.
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@DaveK said:
Instead of whining, why don't you try giving your side of the story and explaining why it wasn't a WTF when seen from your point of view?
I would like to see this addressed as well.
