Vere god tribute to steve jobs.



  • what you think?



  • My personal opinion is that inventions happen when there is a critical mass of interest + the technological underpinnings required.

    What I mean is, when the Wright Brothers first flew, there were a half-dozen others probably less than a year away from controlled flight, and dozens less than 5 years away. Why? Well, the interest in manned, heavier-than-air, controlled flight existed, and engine efficiency reached the minimum ratio of HP/weight required.

    The things Steve Jobs were involved in were similar. That's not to say he wasn't ahead of the curve-- he was consistently ahead of the industry, sometimes leading to a great success (the Mac), and sometimes proving to be a huge failure (the Newton... a couple years later, Palm basically "invented" the same device and made it successful.) But it's worth remembering that Xerox invented the GUI (although they did not perfect it-- the Mac team did that), and the PARC facility was desperately demonstrating the system to anybody who expressed intereste, since they knew Xerox would never invest enough to make it a real product.

    And of course this was all a decade after "the mother of all demos" outlined all the concepts required for the GUI (and OOP for that matter).

    So if you take the article literally, as in "this world would literally not exist without Steve Jobs", I can't agree. That doesn't diminish Steve Jobs' achievements, just like the list of early aviators above doesn't diminish the Wright brothers' achievements.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    My personal opinion is that inventions happen when there is a critical mass of interest + the technological underpinnings required.

    What I mean is, when the Wright Brothers first flew, there were a half-dozen others probably less than a year away from controlled flight, and dozens less than 5 years away. Why? Well, the interest in manned, heavier-than-air, controlled flight existed, and engine efficiency reached the minimum ratio of HP/weight required.

    The things Steve Jobs were involved in were similar. That's not to say he wasn't ahead of the curve-- he was consistently ahead of the industry, sometimes leading to a great success (the Mac), and sometimes proving to be a huge failure (the Newton... a couple years later, Palm basically "invented" the same device and made it successful.) But it's worth remembering that Xerox invented the GUI (although they did not perfect it-- the Mac team did that), and the PARC facility was desperately demonstrating the system to anybody who expressed intereste, since they knew Xerox would never invest enough to make it a real product.

    And of course this was all a decade after "the mother of all demos" outlined all the concepts required for the GUI (and OOP for that matter).

    So if you take the article literally, as in "this world would literally not exist without Steve Jobs", I can't agree. That doesn't diminish Steve Jobs' achievements, just like the list of early aviators above doesn't diminish the Wright brothers' achievements.

    Time of idea who has come? Sumthing like that I am able to remember.



  • Blakey's got it right.

    Everything is a Remix

    Watch all the parts.

     



  • " and sometimes proving to be a huge failure (the Newton..."

     

    Jobs wasn't at Apple during the development of the Newton.



  • @mikko_h said:

    " and sometimes proving to be a huge failure (the Newton..."

    Jobs wasn't at Apple during the development of the Newton.

    OH NOES I HAVE BEEN PEDANTIC DICKWEEDED!



  • @blakeyrat said:

    My personal opinion is that inventions happen when there is a critical mass of interest + the technological underpinnings required.
    I'm so sad to admit I *agree* with you, Blakey. But I do.

    We can't just assume WWII would not have happened if, say, Adolf Hitler would have died as a child in an accident. Individual people don't just *make* history, despite a posteriori observations...



  • @toshir0 said:

    We can't just assume WWII would not have happened if, say, Adolf Hitler would have died as a child in an accident.

    Have you never played Command & Conquer: Red Alert?



  • Ahh, speaking of Apple, what do you think of Siri? 


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