NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters
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Hopefully some large company will see it as an incentive to produce better opensource drivers for them.
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Actually I remember that their Linux driver contains proprietary modules from NVIDIA, so it'll block you from using these cards in "datacenter deployment" unless you uses an older version of driver that's not affected by the added clause.
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How does a video card driver know that its being used in a "datacenter"?
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@el_heffe said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
How does a video card driver know that its being used in a "datacenter"?
Looks like it doesn't actually check, because the license explicitly allows sigh blockchain.
It's a license agreement thing, not a DRM thing.
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@weng Yup.
Much like you're not allowed to evade SQL server license cost via multiplexing, while Microsoft and Oracle didn't add code to enforce it.
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@cheong said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
evade SQL server license cost via multiplexing,
Color me interested....
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@tsaukpaetra said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@cheong said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
evade SQL server license cost via multiplexing,
Color me interested....
You can read about what multiplexing is here.
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@cheong said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@tsaukpaetra said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@cheong said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
evade SQL server license cost via multiplexing,
Color me interested....
You can read about what multiplexing is here.
That didn't explain anything. Well, except to make me even more upset at CAL. Directly or Indirectly accessing? Goddam greedy assholes...
I stand by my position that requiring a license for everything that so much as breathes in the vicinity (network wise) of a Windows Server instance is fucking asinine.
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@tsaukpaetra Well, since per CPU/core SQL Server CAL is very expensive, and in normal way of calculating CAL needed you can't really get away without one, it does create some incentive for companies to look for ways that, say, maybe a device CAL would be enough.
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@cheong said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@tsaukpaetra Well, since per CPU/core SQL Server CAL is very expensive, and in normal way of calculating CAL needed you can't really get away without one, it does create some incentive for companies to look for ways that, say, maybe a device CAL would be enough.
Except the document you posted doesn't explain that at all as far as I can tell. It seemed to be more about how by introducing a paper barrier you could relieve the requirement for an extra user CAL (in essence, creating a virtual telephone effect so that not every user was digitally accessing whatever server automatically, there was a human stop-gap that proxies requests).
The whole licensing thing is IMO pants-on-head retarded, but I'm not going to start that debate here...
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@sockpuppet7 I'm assuming this is Linux only because Windows doesn't suck.
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@blakeyrat you are wrong, on both counts.
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@timebandit Well maybe next time don't link to the article linuxlinuxlinuxlinuxlinuxlinuxomglinux.com
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@blakeyrat Linux isn't in the URL, and isn't in the article page. It's NodeBB's fault that the onebox took the site description as the link text.
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Maybe they don't want competition with this:
Nvidia’s GeForce Now Windows app can transform your cheap laptop into a gaming PC
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Too good to be true?
Nvidia is streaming these games from seven datacenters across the US, and some located in Europe. I was playing in a Las Vegas casino from a server located in Los Angeles, and Nvidia tells me it’s aiming to keep latency under 30ms for most customers. There’s obviously going to be some big exceptions here, especially if you don’t live near a datacenter or your internet connectivity isn’t reliable.
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The game streaming works by dedicating a GPU to each customer, so performance and frame rates should be pretty solid.
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@tsaukpaetra said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@cheong said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@tsaukpaetra Well, since per CPU/core SQL Server CAL is very expensive, and in normal way of calculating CAL needed you can't really get away without one, it does create some incentive for companies to look for ways that, say, maybe a device CAL would be enough.
Except the document you posted doesn't explain that at all as far as I can tell. It seemed to be more about how by introducing a paper barrier you could relieve the requirement for an extra user CAL (in essence, creating a virtual telephone effect so that not every user was digitally accessing whatever server automatically, there was a human stop-gap that proxies requests).
The whole licensing thing is IMO pants-on-head retarded, but I'm not going to start that debate here...
The logic before multiplexing is known to be banned:
- Website connecting to something like MSDE/SQLExpress/JET- no CAL needed.
- MSDE/SQLExpress/JET to MSSQL/Oracle - 1 device CAL needed
- MSSQL/Oracle to internal users - 1 user CAL per user, usually low and limited number.
Consider current "per core" price is USD3,717 and you need to buy for 2 cores if you need additional "per core" license, if you can hire someone to write the "bridge program" within 3 months, your company will have gain.
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@cheong said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
if you can hire someone to write the "bridge program" within 3 months, your company will have gain.
Hmm... about $117K at quality USA consulting rates... seems like the "gain" will take quite some time to achieve :)
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@thecpuwizard said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@cheong said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
if you can hire someone to write the "bridge program" within 3 months, your company will have gain.
Hmm... about $117K at quality USA consulting rates... seems like the "gain" will take quite some time to achieve :)
Ordinary EDI program with well defined schema don't need experts to write. In fact it's one of the task on my second job, and my salary at that time was at about 1/3 of single core's license fee at that time.
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@sockpuppet7 said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@blakeyrat Linux isn't in the URL, and isn't in the article page. It's
NodeBB'iFramelys fault that the onebox took the site description as the link text.FTFY
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@cheong said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
- Website connecting to something like MSDE/SQLExpress/JET- no CAL needed.
Actually, IIRC that's just a different license, External Connector I believe.
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@boomzilla What I'd like to know is why they are starting to offer this service now, and not >5 years ago.
It's like everything in the IT industry happens with 5 to 30 years of delay from when it should.
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@anonymous234 said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
What I'd like to know is why they are starting to offer this service now, and not >5 years ago
OnLive came out in 2010 in the US and 2011 in the UK. I used it, and although there was a little bit of latency it was perfectly playable for lots of game types.
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@anonymous234 said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@boomzilla What I'd like to know is why they are starting to offer this service now, and not >5 years ago.
Because all their biggest customers bought into it. Did you notice they're also going to a "per-core" model instead of "per-processor"?
It makes it look cheaper but actually really isn't...
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@boomzilla I like how that was reported on Jan. 8th as if it were new and not something that's been around like 6 years.
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@anonymous234 said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
What I'd like to know is why they are starting to offer this service now, and not >5 years ago.
They DID! It was called OnLive! It got bought by Sony, if I recall.
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@blakeyrat said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
@boomzilla I like how that was reported on Jan. 8th as if it were new and not something that's been around like 6 years.
The OnLive stuff appears to be a different company. So it seems like this is new. But yes, the two services seem pretty similar.
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@boomzilla NVidia's been doing it since they released the Shield ages ago.
I think the only thing "new" about it is they no longer require you to own a Shield to use it.
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@blakeyrat said in NVIDIA now prevents you from using their consumer GPU's drivers on datacenters:
I think the only thing "new" about it is they no longer require you to own a Shield to use it.
That's a pretty big thing though. Approximately 100% of the population has a computer, so it's better than having to spend $300 on a proprietary console just to access an online service and risking having it go out of support in 2 years because no one else bought it.
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@anonymous234 Well ok, but the real point is the technology isn't new, nor is the idea, so the breathless excitement in that article is unwarranted.
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