If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water
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The term [raw water] refers to unfiltered, untreated, unsterilized water collected from natural springs. In the ten days following Juicero’s collapse, [its CEO] Evans underwent a cleanse, drinking only raw water from a company called Live Water, according to The New York Times. “I haven’t tasted tap water in a long time,” he told the Times. And Evans isn’t alone; he’s a prominent member of a growing movement to “get off the water grid,” the paper reports.
Mukhande Singh (né Christopher Sanborn), founder of Live Water, told the Times that tap water was “dead” water. “Tap water? You’re drinking toilet water with birth control drugs in them,” he said. “Chloramine, and on top of that they’re putting in fluoride. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it’s a mind-control drug that has no benefit to our dental health.” (Note: There is plenty of data showing that fluoride improves dental health, but none showing water-based mind control.)
Meet “raw” water—ludicrously priced unfiltered water with random bacteria
With pricing as high as $6 per gallon, company claims health benefits without data.
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Some choice comments:
I mean, it's not like water filtration or purification was responsible for the greatest decrease in mortality during the past 150 years or anything.
Raw water: because cholera is kinda like an all natural colonic if you think about it.
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@jbert said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Mukhande Singh (né Christopher Sanborn)
Cultural appropriation!
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@hungrier
You can't know that! for all we now he identifies as 14,5% native samoan making it all ok
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Truth in advertising! The company is called live water:
Fresh Spring Water Delivery + Reusable Glass To Collect Your Own
Alive Water provides convenient delivery of pristine spring water + tools to gather it independently
And I'll bet there's plenty of stuff alive in there. But holy shit, that's expensive:
glass orbs containing 2.5 gallons of what is billed as “raw water” — unfiltered, untreated, unsterilized spring water, $36.99 each and $14.99 per refil
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@boomzilla And the glass is reusable, even!
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@boomzilla brb moving to the country to sell well water
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Raw water: the unsterilised health craze that could give you diarrhoea
Its adherents say it is full of good things that ordinary filtered tap water has lost. Its critics say it might well give you ‘beaver fever’ – among other illnesses
Do say: “Raw water – just as nature intended.”
Don’t say: “Nature intends to kill you.”
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I hacked into his company's server and extracted the plans for this product:
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Raw-water drinkers claim it’s more hydrating than tap water.
It better be. You're going to need lots.
Fun fact: dysentery was not the real killer. The resulting dehydration was.
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So these dumb fucks are drinking poor quality well water?
Let them shit themselves to death. Good riddance.
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@rhywden said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Its critics say it might well give you ‘beaver fever’
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@boomzilla said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
But holy shit, that's expensive:
That includes the delivery charge. They could bring that price down a lot if they had some sort of pipeline delivery system...
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@polygeekery Vacuum mains?
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@lolwhat said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@polygeekery Vacuum mains?
Centralized gravity pressurization would be more economical. Vacuum will only draw water up ~10m from source.
But sure, if you want to overcomplicate it and deliver water at the speed of sound then go right ahead. Dumb people might even fund it if you say it is more efficient.
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Silicon Valley elites are spending $60 for less than 3 gallons of dangerous, unfiltered water — and it's flying off the shelves
People in San Francisco are paying up to $61 for untreated, unfiltered water so popular that stores are apparently having a hard time keeping it in stock.
The cost of a 2.5-gallon jug had increased to $61 from $37 since The Times published its article on Friday.
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@boomzilla Those folks in Flint, MI were sitting on a gold mine.
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@boomzilla Same article:
"It stays most fresh within one lunar cycle of delivery," Singh said. "If it sits around too long, it'll turn green. People don't even realize that because all their water's dead, so they never see it turn green."
Turns out I like my water dead.
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@rhywden said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@boomzilla And the glass is reusable, even!
And so is the water if you put it back into the glass after you’re done with it. You’ll even make it change colour sooner than within one lunar cycle, though I hope for your sake that it won’t be green.
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@cvi
Apparently if I start quoting my projects as "complete within six lunar cycles", I can charge a premium price for them
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@izzion But probably only in SF.
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Someone tell Kim Jong-Un that if he makes a gofundme to fund further missile development so he could finally reach San Francisco, I'll totally pitch in.
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@blek I think that's a bit extreme. It will be much easier and quicker to just let them secede.
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@antiquarian But secession would take time, and there's some chance that a few of these people will move before you can lock down the border and build the wall. I say the infection must be contained and exterminated at all costs. EXTERMINATUS!
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@cvi said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@boomzilla Same article:
"It stays most fresh within one lunar cycle of delivery," Singh said. "If it sits around too long, it'll turn green. People don't even realize that because all their water's dead, so they never see it turn green."
Turns out I like my water dead.
They want live water, right? Then that is when the water is really getting good. Give it a few more lunar cycles and they will have tadpoles and such.
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@izzion said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@cvi
Apparently if I start quoting my projects as "complete within six lunar cycles", I can charge a premium price for themI remember now. I pulled in the quote because I was going to say something about the lunar cycles. Then I actually read the rest of the sentence, got overwhelmed by dumb and forgot what I was going to do originally. :-/
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@polygeekery said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Give it a few more lunar cycles and they will have tadpoles and such.
Mmm... free protein.
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@jbert said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Call me a conspiracy theorist
Don't mind if I do.
Holy shit, people don't appreciate how amazing modern technology is. We can deliver clean, drinkable water to every home in every city in the (first) world, for like <0.001€/L (which is why we waste it by using it in the toilet).
Imagine travelling to the future, and discovering everyone has micro fusion reactors everywhere, like in Back to the Future, that can convert any matter to generate unlimited free power. And then these people install a noisy diesel generator in their homes because they prefer "raw electricity".
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@anonymous234 said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Imagine travelling to the future, and discovering everyone has micro fusion reactors everywhere, like in Back to the Future
I feel cheated because those aren’t around at the moment, even though they were supposed to be omnipresent back in 2015 already.
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@gurth said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@anonymous234 said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Imagine travelling to the future, and discovering everyone has micro fusion reactors everywhere, like in Back to the Future
I feel cheated because those aren’t around at the moment, even though they were supposed to be omnipresent back in 2015 already.
Yeah, but they didn't predict a speaker that can turn your lights on if you bought the right lights and have your lights available to hackers on the Internet, so we're ahead if you like that sort of thing
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@gurth Well, they were slightly too optimistic with that prediction.
We'll probably colonize the moon and Mars way before we can build one fusion power plant.
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@anonymous234 said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@gurth Well, they were slightly too optimistic with that prediction.
We'll probably colonize the moon and Mars way before we can build one fusion power plant.
We'll have working fusion power in 20 years. Which is what they've been saying for the last 50.
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@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@anonymous234 said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@gurth Well, they were slightly too optimistic with that prediction.
We'll probably colonize the moon and Mars way before we can build one fusion power plant.
We'll have working fusion power in 20 years. Which is what they've been saying for the last 50.
Well, considering the amount of effort which went into the Manhattan project and its predecessors, research regarding fusion has been chronically underfunded in comparison.
Not to mention that fission is easier to achieve.
Also, who is "they"? Shoulder aliens?
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We're 3 years into Lockheed Martin's 5-year plan to produce a viable small-scale fusion reactor usable for power generation.
But I haven't heard anything about it in 3 years now, so who knows? For some reason they wouldn't let me just walk into the Skunk Works the last time I was in the neighborhood...
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@rhywden said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Not to mention that fission is easier to achieve.
Fission is easier to contain. We can achieve fusion just fine.
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@rhywden said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@anonymous234 said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@gurth Well, they were slightly too optimistic with that prediction.
We'll probably colonize the moon and Mars way before we can build one fusion power plant.
We'll have working fusion power in 20 years. Which is what they've been saying for the last 50.
Well, considering the amount of effort which went into the Manhattan project and its predecessors, research regarding fusion has been chronically underfunded in comparison.
Not to mention that fission is easier to achieve.
Also, who is "they"? Shoulder aliens?
Long running joke is joke?
Oh, and the total estimated cost of the Manhatten project (2016 dollars) is around $70e9. The cost of one of many fusion attempts (ITER) through 2015 (starting in 2013) is around $14e9. That's $7e9/year, and it's supposed to take until 2021 to build. That puts the total cost at ~$56e9 just for the construction of this one attempt. Not counting cost overruns (which any such project will have).
TL;DR--we've spent orders of magnitude more money working on fusion than on the Manhattan project. That was almost entirely an engineering program (as was the Apollo project). Thus, no matter which side you're on, it's a bad comparison. We don't even know if earth-based, small-scale fusion energy is practical. The theory is inconclusive at this point, and the engineering is hard.
Shorter yet--I'm mocking the futurists who claim that "great things are just around the corner" without actually tracking how stinking hard those things are. Not the scientists.
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@anotherusername I think you meant fusion there. We can contain fission (as long as it's not super-critical) easily enough. It's just another fuel source. Fusion's another beast, because for energy purposes you can't let it touch the walls (where fission doesn't really care).
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@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@anonymous234 said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@gurth Well, they were slightly too optimistic with that prediction.
We'll probably colonize the moon and Mars way before we can build one fusion power plant.
We'll have working fusion power in 20 years. Which is what they've been saying for the last 50.
And how far out has a permanently manned moonbase been since '69? Though I think a key point there is that nobody is aiming at it.
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@benjamin-hall more or less. I edited it now.
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@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Long running joke is joke?
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@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@rhywden said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@anonymous234 said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@gurth Well, they were slightly too optimistic with that prediction.
We'll probably colonize the moon and Mars way before we can build one fusion power plant.
We'll have working fusion power in 20 years. Which is what they've been saying for the last 50.
Well, considering the amount of effort which went into the Manhattan project and its predecessors, research regarding fusion has been chronically underfunded in comparison.
Not to mention that fission is easier to achieve.
Also, who is "they"? Shoulder aliens?
Long running joke is joke?
Oh, and the total estimated cost of the Manhatten project (2016 dollars) is around $70e9. The cost of one of many fusion attempts (ITER) through 2015 (starting in 2013) is around $14e9. That's $7e9/year, and it's supposed to take until 2021 to build. That puts the total cost at ~$56e9 just for the construction of this one attempt. Not counting cost overruns (which any such project will have).
And the money was spread over how many decades? If you just create a trickle of money flow don't expect the result to be either fast or cheap.
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@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Shorter yet--I'm mocking the futurists who claim that "great things are just around the corner" without actually tracking how stinking hard those things are.
Me too, but I try to keep that to the HyperPoop thread.
Oh...you weren't talking about forum members. Never mind.
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@polygeekery What is a Guggenheim?
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@sockpuppet7 are we playing Jeopardy or something?
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@sockpuppet7 said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@polygeekery What is a Guggenheim?
Guggenheim Fellowships are intended for individuals who have already demonstrated exceptional capacity for productive scholarship or exceptional creative ability in the arts.
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@rhywden said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@anonymous234 said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@gurth Well, they were slightly too optimistic with that prediction.
We'll probably colonize the moon and Mars way before we can build one fusion power plant.
We'll have working fusion power in 20 years. Which is what they've been saying for the last 50.
Well, considering the amount of effort which went into the Manhattan project and its predecessors, research regarding fusion has been chronically underfunded in comparison.
Not to mention that fission is easier to achieve.
Also, who is "they"? Shoulder aliens?
pfff, fusion power has been obsolete in our planet for a long time.
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@rhywden In this case, that's $14 billion over two years. For one of the many such projects. Total yearly spending is much greater (in constant dollars) than on the "big" projects of the past. There are also multiple competing such projects.
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@benjamin-hall He didn't believe us last time this came up. I can't imagine he'll believe anyone this time.
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