Why do people do this? Episode 2
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Dev: Hey, can you help me figure out how to get Visual Studio to do [X]?
Me: Sure. Click on 'Tools' and then--
[Dev clicks on Tools -> Customize...]
Me: No, you went too far ahead. Cancel out of that... okay, now click on 'Tools' and then 'Options' and--
[Dev clicks on Tools -> Options -> Text Editor]
Me: No, not text editor. We need the XAML editor. Scroll down... there it is... okay, so check 'Enable XAML Designer' and before you close...
[Dev checks and immediately hits OK]
Me: sigh Ok, don't hit Restart Vis--
[Dev clicks 'Restart Visual Studio']
Me: long sigh Did you hear what I said?
Dev: Huh?
Me: Don't click on things until I tell you. I wanted you to check something else before we went through all this.
Dev: Oh.
Me: Okay... now that Visual Studio is restarted, let's load up the solution, and then...
[Dev loads the solution and then clicks on an xaml file]
Dev: Hmm, something is still wrong.
Me: [gritting teeth] yes because we still have to do that thing you didn't give yourself a chance to do.
Dev: Oh, so...
[Dev clicks on Tools -> Customize...]
Me: NO!Yes, I know TRWTF is I wasn't just controlling the remote session to do this.
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PEBCAK. This phenomenon should not be new to you.
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@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
PEBCAK. This phenomenon should not be new to you.
It's not. I've lived with this same kind of conversation for years. I just chose to rant about it now.
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@the_quiet_one confiscate the mouse for the duration next time...
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How can a professional developer ever think that the "Customize..." is ever going to solve their problem?
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@gąska I'm certain the sobriquet 'professional' didn't appear in the OP...
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@gąska Aren't all problems solved with
vi /var/opt/application/etc/fubar/alternate/advanced.cfg?
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@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@the_quiet_one confiscate the mouse for the duration next time...
Way funnier to slap their head each time they do a mistake.
They seem to learn faster that way :face_with_stuck-out_tongue:
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@timebandit said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@the_quiet_one confiscate the mouse for the duration next time...
Way funnier to slap their head each time they do a mistake.
They seem to learn faster that way :face_with_stuck-out_tongue:If I could do that remotely, I would.
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@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
remotely
Ah. You left some context out it would seem...
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@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
If I could do that remotely, I would.
This is why I stopped doing remote support
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@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
remotely
Ah. You left some context out it would seem...
Huh?
@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
TRWTF is I wasn't just controlling the remote session to do this
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@timebandit said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
If I could do that remotely, I would.
This is why I stopped doing remote support
I would stop, but the airfare to do things in-person would be prohibitively expensive.
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@anotherusername said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
Huh?
Ah. I missed some context from it, it would seem...
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@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
the airfare to do things in-person would be prohibitively expensive
But rewarded with the satisfaction of hitting them with
Probably worth it
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@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@anotherusername said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
Huh?
Ah. I missed some context from it, it would seem...
The concept you're talking about is still relevant, since as I implied in that little tidbit at the end, there are methods that allow one to control one's mouse and keyboard remotely. I was just doing this over Skype and didn't bother to move to something else since the issue at hand was, in the end, simple and straightforward if not for the remote dev going rogue all the time.
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@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
sobriquet
I see the Word of The Day Thread is starting to pay off.
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@zecc said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
sobriquet
I see the Word of The Day Thread is starting to pay off.
I don't actually read that one now. And since ICBA to, when did it appear?
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@bb36e said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
ICB
AMIMNSHO ITYM ICBM. FTFY
Missiles are most certainly not what I was trying to convey there....
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I've never seen anyone do this particular sort of thing.
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@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
Missiles are most certainly not what I was trying to convey there....
But in this case, they'd do more good than harm.
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@gąska said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
How can a professional developer ever think that the "Customize..." is ever going to solve their problem?
I dunno...what's "Customize..." do?
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@anonymous234 said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
I've never seen anyone do this particular sort of thing.
There are two people at work who do this pretty consistently whenever they ask me for help. Part of our interface involves some drag-and-drop, and he'll start dragging something I never asked him to even touch to the trash can, and despite me shouting "No! No! No!" for the three seconds it takes him to complete the move, he'll do the deed. Now, yes, you can undo it, but it's still frustrating as hell.
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@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
and despite me shouting "No! No! No!" for the three seconds it takes him to complete the move, he'll do the deed.
Did you try shouting "NO YOU FUCKIN IDIOT" instead ?
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@timebandit
Or, in Southern: "NO, BLESS YOUR HEART!!!"
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@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@timebandit said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@the_quiet_one confiscate the mouse for the duration next time...
Way funnier to slap their head each time they do a mistake.
They seem to learn faster that way :face_with_stuck-out_tongue:If I could do that remotely, I would.
Allow me to offer you an alternative:
@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
Dev: Hey, can you help me figure out how to get Visual Studio to do [X]?
Me: Sure. Click on 'Tools' and then--
[Dev clicks on Tools -> Customize...]
Me: No, you went too far ahead. Cancel out of that... okay, now click on 'Tools' and then 'Options' and--
[Dev clicks on Tools -> Options -> Text Editor]
Me: I need to warn you now, if you do things without me telling you again it will incur a charge of $25, to be paid immediately. Understand?
Dev: Yes, okay, sorry.
Me: Now, not text editor. We need the XAML editor. Scroll down... there it is... okay, so check 'Enable XAML Designer' and before you close...
[Dev checks and immediately hits OK]
Me: That'll be $25+tax. I'm ready to take your card info.
Dev: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to, I won't do it again, I promise.
Me: Thank you. I still need your card info so I can charge you and then we can move forward.
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@dreikin The folks in question are colleagues, so as tempting as it is to charge them for my time, I can't really do it.
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@the_quiet_one Can you paste an animated gif ?
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@boomzilla said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@gąska said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
How can a professional developer ever think that the "Customize..." is ever going to solve their problem?
I dunno...what's "Customize..." do?
Lets you add, remove and move around menus, toolbars and buttons. Unless your problem is lack of some button, it's never going to be helpful to you. It's Using Windows Programs 101.
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@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@dreikin The folks in question are colleagues, so as tempting as it is to charge them for my time, I can't really do it.
Can you charge it to their business unit? Make a deal with IT Support (if you're not already in it) so it's a business unit to business unit thing, but make sure it's itemized in a way their manager will understand.
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@dreikin said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@dreikin The folks in question are colleagues, so as tempting as it is to charge them for my time, I can't really do it.
Can you charge it to their business unit? Make a deal with IT Support (if you're not already in it) so it's a business unit to business unit thing, but make sure it's itemized in a way their manager will understand.
I work for a company of about 20 people. That kind of nation-state empire stuff isn't really present at our scale.
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@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
I work for a company of about 20 people. That kind of nation-state empire stuff isn't really present at our scale.
Your scale isn't much above “unincorporated municipality” on that naming scheme…
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@pjh said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
I see the Word of The Day Thread is starting to pay off.
I don't actually read that one now. And since ICBA to, when did it appear?
A week ago. I read it in some article I can no longer remember.
May be you've read the same?
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@the_quiet_one The perfect environment for communism! Cull the low-use members to motivate the rest.
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@pleegwat said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@gąska Aren't all problems solved with
vi /var/opt/application/etc/fubar/alternate/advanced.cfg?Dude.
vim. vi is so yesterday.
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@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@timebandit said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@the_quiet_one said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
If I could do that remotely, I would.
This is why I stopped doing remote support
I would stop, but the airfare to do things in-person would be prohibitively expensive.
Customer pays. They'll learn very quickly...
edit: and...
'd...
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@dcon said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@pleegwat said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@gąska Aren't all problems solved with
vi /var/opt/application/etc/fubar/alternate/advanced.cfg?Dude.
vim. vi is so yesterday.Most environments I work on,
viis aliased tovimby default.
The rest of them don't have a proper vim.
See also my signature.
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@pleegwat said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
See also my signature.
Oh. Blame that needing to pour my 2nd cup of coffee down the sink. Or missing the train. It was almost a toss up...
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@pleegwat said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
Aren't all problems
solvedstarted withvi/var/opt/application/etc/fubar/alternate/advanced.cfgFTFY.
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@gurth I beg to differ.
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@dcon said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@pleegwat said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@gąska Aren't all problems solved with
vi /var/opt/application/etc/fubar/alternate/advanced.cfg?Dude,
vimis so yesterday.FTFY
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@pleegwat I can’t say it’s ever been my favourite text editor …
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@anonymous234 said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@dcon said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@pleegwat said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@gąska Aren't all problems solved with
vi /var/opt/application/etc/fubar/alternate/advanced.cfg?Dude,
vimis so yesterday.FTFY
I'll stick with it.
edis too hipster for me.
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@gurth said in Why do people do this? Episode 2:
@pleegwat I can’t say it’s ever been my favourite text editor …
You prefer emacs? You filthy...
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@pleegwat At least emacs can be used without reading the manual.
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@anonymous234 Used? Perhaps. But every time some automated script drops me into it I need to google how to exit.
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Visual Studio Code.
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