Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device
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As one of the few people in the world who actually use the "Eject" option when removing external HDDs instead of just yanking them out, I'm always fascinated by just how useless this message is:
"Close any programs"... What programs? Could you be more vague? How about a list?
Whatever, let's use Process Explorer to see if we can figure this out:
Oh. I guess I'll just close the "System" program then...
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@deadfast Just close its open handles. That couldn't possibly cause any problems.
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Shut down. Unplug while powered down.
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@deadfast said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
"Close any programs"... What programs? Could you be more vague? How about a list?
Windows can't even figure out what process is keeping a single file locked. You think they're going to manage it for an entire drive? Ha!
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Shut off all power to your house at the breaker box, it's the only way
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@anonymous234 they could if they wanted to. Quite easily, really.
They just don't want to.
Probably because 9 times out of 10, Windows would have to tell you that it couldn't delete the file because Windows was using it.
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@anotherusername said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@anonymous234 they could if they wanted to. Quite easily, really.
They just don't want to.
Probably because 9 times out of 10, Windows would have to tell you that it couldn't delete the file because Windows was using it.
Too bad there's no known method for Windows to tell itself, "Hey, can you stop using this file? Let me know if you don't wanna..."
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@hungrier said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
Shut off all power to your house at the breaker box, it's the only way
Nah, use some thermite on the neighborhood transformer. Go big or go home.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@anotherusername said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@anonymous234 they could if they wanted to. Quite easily, really.
They just don't want to.
Probably because 9 times out of 10, Windows would have to tell you that it couldn't delete the file because Windows was using it.
Too bad there's no known method for Windows to tell itself, "Hey, can you stop using this file? Let me know if you don't wanna..."
this. it's high time OSes had something like "reflection mode"
"Windows, who is using this file on the usb drive?"
"I am."
"Can you please stop?"
"No. This file is critical to the correct running of the operating system."
"Tell me... how can it be critical for you to run if you were running okay even five minutes ago, BEFORE i plugged the drive with the file in?"
"... I cannot answer that, Dave."
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@sh_code said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
This file is critical to the correct running of the
operating systemdisk.I mean, it's not wrong. If the transaction log and shadow copies were suddenly closed unexpectedly, in theory there might be issues, but that's what the log is for, so....
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@hungrier said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
Shut off all power to your house at the breaker box, it's the only way
You wouldn't need to if you had switches on your power sockets
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I also find it irritating that files can be locked "in use" in Windows, for example preventing me from deleting them.
It can be helpful to have a warning that removing the file will make some program unhappy, but still I would love to have the ability to delete/move it if I choose so - the program's handles would be invalidated and it could crash if it wanted to.
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@deadfast said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
As one of the few people in the world who actually use the "Eject" option when removing external HDDs instead of just yanking them out, I'm always fascinated by just how useless this message is:
"Close any programs"... What programs? Could you be more vague? How about a list?
Whatever, let's use Process Explorer to see if we can figure this out:
Oh. I guess I'll just close the "System" program then...
Transactional-NTFS seems to have some big issues with removable stuff. Some of our hot-swap backup drives do this. I just go into Computer Management and Offline them when I need to remove and safely-remove isn't cooperating.
I found some posts where people mentioned indexing seems to trigger this but adjusting/disabling indexing never helped for me.
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@adynathos said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
I would love to have the ability to delete/move it if I choose so - the program's handles would be invalidated and it could crash if it wanted to.
You do have that ability if you're an Administrator; it's exposed via the Win32 API and Process Explorer among other utilities uses it. There's just no "out of the box" utility for it because the OS should avoid making programs unhappy by default.
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@deadfast Tell Bitlocker to lock the volume before trying to eject it, I guess. Or yell at whoever's trying to use Transactional NTFS and leaving a session open, which that won't be able to tell you.
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I came here after making a Penis joke and promptly read the topic title as 'Problem Ejaculating USB Mass Storage Device'.
You can now continue while I try to pick up my mind from the gutter.
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@luhmann said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
I try to pick up my mind from the gutter
I'm not holding my breath waiting for that.
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@luhmann said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
I came here after making a Penis joke
Eww... please clean up afterwards.
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@lolwhat said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@hungrier said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
Shut off all power to your house at the breaker box, it's the only way
Nah, use some thermite on the neighborhood transformer. Go big or go home.
No, best of all is to take off and nuke the place from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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@slavdude said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@lolwhat said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@hungrier said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
Shut off all power to your house at the breaker box, it's the only way
Nah, use some thermite on the neighborhood transformer. Go big or go home.
No, best of all is to take off and nuke the place from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
I dunno, a tungsten rod would work pretty well too. And a lot safer to get into orbit...
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@dcon said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
I dunno, a tungsten rod would work pretty well too. And a lot safer to get into orbit...
Rod from God: it's Rodney, and he's here to talk to you about the salvation of your eternal soul!
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Lazy Dog projectiles (aka "kinetic bombardment") could reach speeds of up to 500 mph as they fell to the ground and could penetrate 9 inches of concrete after being dropped from as little as 3,000 feet.
Interesting... so while throwing a penny from the Empire state building might not kill anyone (because pennies are light and have high wind resistance due to their shape), throwing a slightly larger chunk of metal from the highest observation deck in the world will be enough to leave a big hole in the ground.
I'll try to remember not to do that if I ever go there.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@anotherusername said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@anonymous234 they could if they wanted to. Quite easily, really.
They just don't want to.
Probably because 9 times out of 10, Windows would have to tell you that it couldn't delete the file because Windows was using it.
Too bad there's no known method for Windows to tell itself, "Hey, can you stop using this file? Let me know if you don't wanna..."
No known method? Um... "shutdown /s /f /t 0"
Now... whether you can used that consistently and remain useful at work/play is another story. But it's easy to make windows stop using files: Power The Fuck Down.
RTFM. Its in there somewhere...
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@wernercd said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@tsaukpaetra said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@anotherusername said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
@anonymous234 they could if they wanted to. Quite easily, really.
They just don't want to.
Probably because 9 times out of 10, Windows would have to tell you that it couldn't delete the file because Windows was using it.
Too bad there's no known method for Windows to tell itself, "Hey, can you stop using this file? Let me know if you don't wanna..."
No known method? Um... "shutdown /s /f /t 0"
Now... whether you can used that consistently and remain useful at work/play is another story. But it's easy to make windows stop using files: Power The Fuck Down.
RTFM. Its in there somewhere...
There's a big difference between "fuck off I'm shutting down immediately and no I'm ignoring everything you say" versus what I posted. You shouldn't have to force quit an application to ask it to close user files.
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@anonymous234 said in Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device:
Lazy Dog projectiles (aka "kinetic bombardment") could reach speeds of up to 500 mph as they fell to the ground and could penetrate 9 inches of concrete after being dropped from as little as 3,000 feet.
Interesting... so while throwing a penny from the Empire state building might not kill anyone (because pennies are light and have high wind resistance due to their shape), throwing a slightly larger chunk of metal from the highest observation deck in the world will be enough to leave a big hole in the ground.
I'll try to remember not to do that if I ever go there.
Curiously, the Lazy Dog projectiles wouldn't penetrate much further if dropped from higher, Newton's Approximation being what it is. The point of dropping the rods from orbit is to increase the available energy rather than the penetration depth.