Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?
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@accalia said in Can Firefox make a comeback?:
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[...] and memory usage are irrelevant
Memory usage is always irrelevant until you run out of physical memory. Then it's extremely relevant.
I've been having a lot of trouble with IO being the bottleneck on my computer. I have a 2TB internal hard drive that's about half full. The IO is usually split between three or four competing processes: Guild Wars 2 (which I think is still less than 30GiB total), my local BuildMaster installation (which probably has less than a gigabyte of data it's working with at a time, but it's C++ so there's a lot of files being read over and over), and everything else I'm doing (both on my computer and sometimes on a virtual machine).
A lot of the files on my computer don't need to be fast - they're things like backups of this forum, all of my video game screenshots for the last few years, and the local copy of my Google Drive contents.
How big of an SSD should I get, and what company should I buy it from?
(According to Speccy, I have this motherboard, which has 6 eSATA ports, and I only have 1 hard drive and 1 DVD drive, so I'm assuming I still have 4 ports unused.)
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
How big of an SSD should I get, and what company should I buy it from?
assuming you have a PCIE3 4x slot available, and a KabyLake or CoffeeLake processor with a compatible motherboard.....
the one i listed. you can set it up as either system RAM or as a SSD
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120 will do if you just want to put, say, GW2 and BM on it, but you'll be happier with 250. If you want to avoid the eventual "I'm out of SSD Space" then go ahead and move to 500. If you want to be spendy, go with 1TB
Samsung (as long as it isn't the 840 EVO), Sandisk, Intel, Kensington, AData, Crucial, any major (flash) memory company with a recognizable brand really.
A lot of the files on my computer don't need to be fast - they're things like backups of this forum, all of my video game screenshots for the last few years, and the local copy of my Google Drive contents.
Then those should be on a HDD
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@ben_lubar Intel and Samsung are usually the best brands. 480 GB is probably more than you need; ~250 GB should be fine. You can get a 250 GB SATA drive that will be noticeably faster for around $150. If you don't mind spending $500, though, go ahead and get a larger PCIE drive.
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@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
assuming you have a PCIE3 4x slot available
@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
and a KabyLake or CoffeeLake processor
I have an i7-4770k CPU (Haswell according to Intel's website, so predating any of the "lake" lines).
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Seriously, just go for an M.2
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@magus said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Seriously, just go for an M.2
There isn't an M.2 slot on that motherboard.
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@dragnslcr Fair point :D
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
I have an i7-4770k CPU (Haswell according to Intel's website, so predating any of the "lake" lines).
in that case. use this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373
or its bigger brother if you have the cash. best i can do for that chipset.
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@ben_lubar you should do work on a work computer that, and this is important, does not have Guild Wars installed.
Also buy a decent microphone or headset.
This is my advice.
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@blakeyrat said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar you should do work on a work computer that, and this is important, does not have Guild Wars installed.
Ok, but does the BuildMaster installation that automatically builds Dwarf Fortress hacking tools go on the work machine or the gaming machine?
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@ben_lubar depends on which is more important: using it to test new Build master features, or having your loser dwarf programs.
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@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
I have an i7-4770k CPU (Haswell according to Intel's website, so predating any of the "lake" lines).
in that case. use this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373
or its bigger brother if you have the cash. best i can do for that chipset.
Update:
It'll be arriving in time for Living World Season 4!
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@blakeyrat said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar you should do work on a work computer that, and this is important, does not have Guild Wars installed.
Also buy a decent microphone or headset.
This is my advice.
Something something help category.
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@gąska said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@blakeyrat said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar you should do work on a work computer that, and this is important, does not have Guild Wars installed.
Also buy a decent microphone or headset.
This is my advice.
Something something help category.
he's right though. i keep a separate work PC at home (it's an i5 25mumblewumble) that has exactly enough software loaded to VPN into work for when i work remote. It's important to keep that separate because if i had steam on my work PC and i was remote i'd be in factorio like 900% of the time
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@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@gąska said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@blakeyrat said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar you should do work on a work computer that, and this is important, does not have Guild Wars installed.
Also buy a decent microphone or headset.
This is my advice.
Something something help category.
he's right though.
I was right too when Blakey ranted about me giving tips that didn't directly relate to problem at hand.
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@gąska said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@gąska said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@blakeyrat said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar you should do work on a work computer that, and this is important, does not have Guild Wars installed.
Also buy a decent microphone or headset.
This is my advice.
Something something help category.
he's right though.
I was right too when Blakey ranted about me giving tips that didn't directly relate to problem at hand.
/shrug
i'll be honest i don't pay much attention to what he says. my brain replaces it with "wah wah wah" about 85.6% of the time.....
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@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
the one i listed. you can set it up as either system RAM [...]
Does that actually work well? Specs mention about 2.5GB/s, which seems a bit low for RAM these days.
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@cvi said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
the one i listed. you can set it up as either system RAM [...]
Does that actually work well? Specs mention about 2.5GB/s, which seems a bit low for RAM these days.
i have the M.2 slot version not the monster PCI-e version but..... yes it does appear to work, it is measurably slower than DDR4 but it manages to keep up well enough that the difference isn't unberarable. the PCI-e version is significant faster and meant more for servers that want raw RAM, the M.2 version is intended more as a disc cache to be slapped in front of a spinning HDD and is speced more in line with that....
so..... if you have 600$ burning a hole in your pocket and want more RAM than you know what to do with then that's not the worst option in the world.....
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@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
so..... if you have 600$ burning a hole in your pocket and want more RAM than you know what to do with then that's not the worst option in the world.....
Yeah ... 600$ is a bit on the pricey side of things. I have a a few other bits and pieces that would benefit more from an upgrade. Besides, not quite sure what I'd do with a huge pile of really slow RAM. Maybe in a generation or two if the prices go down (and the performance goes up).
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
I have an i7-4770k CPU (Haswell according to Intel's website, so predating any of the "lake" lines).
in that case. use this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373
or its bigger brother if you have the cash. best i can do for that chipset.
Update:
It'll be arriving in time for Living World Season 4!
Update: Amazon lied to me
Saturday isn't between the 22nd and the 27th
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
I have an i7-4770k CPU (Haswell according to Intel's website, so predating any of the "lake" lines).
in that case. use this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373
or its bigger brother if you have the cash. best i can do for that chipset.
Update:
It'll be arriving in time for Living World Season 4!
Update: Amazon lied to me
Saturday isn't between the 22nd and the 27th
Why was the first image "redacted"?
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
I have an i7-4770k CPU (Haswell according to Intel's website, so predating any of the "lake" lines).
in that case. use this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373
or its bigger brother if you have the cash. best i can do for that chipset.
Update:
It'll be arriving in time for Living World Season 4!
Update: Amazon lied to me
Saturday isn't between the 22nd and the 27th
Just leave it in the mailbox until then and pretend it arrived on the 22nd ;)
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@tsaukpaetra said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
I have an i7-4770k CPU (Haswell according to Intel's website, so predating any of the "lake" lines).
in that case. use this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373
or its bigger brother if you have the cash. best i can do for that chipset.
Update:
It'll be arriving in time for Living World Season 4!
Update: Amazon lied to me
Saturday isn't between the 22nd and the 27th
Why was the first image "redacted"?
The page wasn't loadable without logging in, and when you're logged in, the page shows your street address instead of your city in that field.
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@tsaukpaetra said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
I have an i7-4770k CPU (Haswell according to Intel's website, so predating any of the "lake" lines).
in that case. use this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373
or its bigger brother if you have the cash. best i can do for that chipset.
Update:
It'll be arriving in time for Living World Season 4!
Update: Amazon lied to me
Saturday isn't between the 22nd and the 27th
Why was the first image "redacted"?
The page wasn't loadable without logging in, and when you're logged in, the page shows your street address instead of your city in that field.
Woooooooowwwww.....
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@accalia said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
he's right though.
Yeah, all the dwarf stuff is pretty stupid.
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@blakeyrat said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar you should do work on a work computer that, and this is important, does not have Guild Wars installed.
Ok, but does the BuildMaster installation that automatically builds Dwarf Fortress hacking tools go on the work machine or the gaming machine?
No.
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
I have a 2TB internal hard drive
A 2TB that only had 1.8 GiB would be quite a remarkable lie, even by hard drive manufacturer standards.
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@ben_lubar I wager once you crack open your case, you'll find that disk caddy unnecessary. Usually the drive slots have enough screwholes for drives of every size.
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Saturday isn't between the 22nd and the 27th
Next Saturday is.
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Saturday isn't between the 22nd and the 27th
They didn't say which Saturday...
edit:
'd by seconds...
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@blakeyrat said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar I wager once you crack open your case, you'll find that disk caddy unnecessary. Usually the drive slots have enough screwholes for drives of every size.
The screws to attach the mount to the case weren't needed, but the SSD wouldn't have been able to be attached to anything without the mount. The mount fit quite nicely with some parts that came with the case that converted its screw holes to a track thing that just slides in and is kept in place by the case cover.
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Now that my hard drive is only reading one file at a time it's super fast!
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Now that my hard drive is only reading one file at a time it's super fast!
That's true for most drive types that use spinning things for the storage.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Now that my hard drive is only reading one file at a time it's super fast!
That's true for most drive types that use spinning things for the storage.
Yes, I know. It's basically a high tech record player.
Except it has Dwarf Fortress on it.
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Several times since I got the SSD, I've thought to myself, "this doesn't feel any faster" before quickly realizing that I was trying to mount a raptor in a no-mount zone and not in any way doing something that requires disk IO.
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@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Several times since I got the SSD, I've thought to myself, "this doesn't feel any faster" before quickly realizing that I was trying to mount a raptor in a no-mount zone and not in any way doing something that requires disk IO.
You should stop trying to mount your raptor when you can't use it. I'm sure that can't be good for the drive's lifespan.
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@unperverted-vixen said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Several times since I got the SSD, I've thought to myself, "this doesn't feel any faster" before quickly realizing that I was trying to mount a raptor in a no-mount zone and not in any way doing something that requires disk IO.
You should stop trying to mount your raptor when you can't use it. I'm sure that can't be good for the drive's lifespan.
He should also stop trying to mount his raptor.
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@ben_lubar Just get something at 80 to 250 GB. Maybe 120 to 128 is the best compromise. Make sure that your OS and virtual machines are on it and presumably Buildmaster and its C++ toolchain are on it. Put the rest of the static data on an electromechanical drive. It could even be a "Green" drive.
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@captain said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
80 to 250 GB
@captain said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
120 to 128
@captain said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Make sure that your OS and virtual machines are on it
So... One VM and you're out of space on your OS drive?
Nah, if it's gonna be your boot drive you want at least 500. Less than that and you will eventually run out of space.
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@ben_lubar which drive did you get, and how much was it for? I'm looking to buy another SSD so that I can separate my linux and windows installations, but I don't wanna get burned by buying a shitty drive...
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@dreikin said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@unperverted-vixen said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Several times since I got the SSD, I've thought to myself, "this doesn't feel any faster" before quickly realizing that I was trying to mount a raptor in a no-mount zone and not in any way doing something that requires disk IO.
You should stop trying to mount your raptor when you can't use it. I'm sure that can't be good for the drive's lifespan.
He should also stop trying to mount his raptor.
I've always been a bit curious how that works IRL, the two opposing default stances hardly match up for an effective session in many cases...
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@sloosecannon How big are your VMs? Mine are about 25 GB. Most VM managers let you mount folders for the VMs to read static data from.
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@captain said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Most VM managers let you mount folders for the VMs to read static data from.
You can also open some virtual hard drive formats with 7-zip.
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@bb36e said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar which drive did you get, and how much was it for? I'm looking to buy another SSD so that I can separate my linux and windows installations, but I don't wanna get burned by buying a shitty drive...
It was about $300 plus about $10 for a metal thing that let me fit it into a hard drive bay (the SSD is slightly smaller than a deck of cards) and a cable to plug it into my motherboard.
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@sloosecannon said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@captain said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
80 to 250 GB
@captain said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
120 to 128
@captain said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
Make sure that your OS and virtual machines are on it
So... One VM and you're out of space on your OS drive?
Nah, if it's gonna be your boot drive you want at least 500. Less than that and you will eventually run out of space.
Yeah, 250 GB will be great when I can't copy my entire Steam folder to it.
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@ben_lubar if you had faster than 56k modem internet speed, you could just leave Steam games uninstalled until you want to play them.
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@captain said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@sloosecannon How big are your VMs? Mine are about 25 GB. Most VM managers let you mount folders for the VMs to read static data from.
I allocate 100 GB to VMs usually.
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@blakeyrat said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar if you had faster than 56k modem internet speed, you could just leave Steam games uninstalled until you want to play them.
Redownloading 60GB of game is no fun no matter how fast your internet is. Unless you're rocking 10gb/s or something.
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@blakeyrat said in Can @ben_lubar get an SSD?:
@ben_lubar if you had faster than 56k modem internet speed, you could just leave Steam games uninstalled until you want to play them.
That's a great way to go past your data usage capNever mind, I posted too early in the morning
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OBRFFAS