<strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser
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On my smartphone, I've been using the built-in
AndroidSamsung browser a lot for the simple reason that I have no choice when I enable my phone's "ultra powersave" mode: It'sAndroidSamsung Browser or no Internet browsing at all.Now I've seen my fair share of WTFs with the years, starting with its lack of ad-blocker that makes it extremely vulnerable to "redirecting ads". Today I finally, finally, found the time to turn on my flat's Wi-Fi and upgrade my smartphone from the old Android 4.4.2 to something less obsolete.
Only to see that the browser no longer shows me the full URL of the page I'm viewing. For some reason, it seems to think just the website name is enough. WHAT. THE. FLYING. FUCK?
How could anyone ever think this was a good idea? And of course, there's no setting to bring it back. No, the browser will adamantly refuse to show you more than the server name until you click on the address bar. Then as soon as the address bar loses focus, it hides it again.
I hate software being dumbed down for dumb users with Down's. At least Windows's "hide file extensions" can be disabled. This piece of shit cannot.
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First they came for your
http://
...
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@medinoc why would you want to see more of the URL? The screen is already too narrow, you wouldnāt be able to see it in its entirety, especially since thereās chrome on the right hand side next to the text box.
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@kt_ said in Android browser:
The screen is already too narrow, you wouldnāt be able to see it in its entirety
For that situation, our ancestors invented scrolling.
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@adynathos said in Android browser:
@kt_ said in Android browser:
The screen is already too narrow, you wouldnāt be able to see it in its entirety
For that situation, our ancestors invented scrolling.
Thatās the whole point. Youād have to scroll nonetheless, thereās no reason to show this huge ugly URL very few people care about.
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@adynathos said in Android browser:
@kt_ said in Android browser:
The screen is already too narrow, you wouldnāt be able to see it in its entirety
For that situation, our ancestors invented scrolling.
Hahahahahahahahahahah!
..... Wait, are you serious?
Hahahahahahahahahhahah!
Try scrolling that text box. Let me know how well that goes.
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@kt_ said in Android browser:
@medinoc why would you want to see more of the URL? The screen is already too narrow, you wouldnāt be able to see it in its entirety, especially since thereās chrome on the right hand side next to the text box.
So my browser wouldn't lie to me and tell me I'm on the website's home page. A lying text field is worse than no text field at all.
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@kt_ said in Android browser:
thereās no reason to show this huge ugly URL very few people care about.
Well I care to see it and there are browsers which do that.
@tsaukpaetra said in Android browser:
Try scrolling that text box. Let me know how well that goes.
I was able to scroll and see the whole URL, should I start performing as a magician?
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@adynathos said in Android browser:
@tsaukpaetra said in Android browser:
Try scrolling that text box. Let me know how well that goes.
I was able to scroll and see the whole URL, should I start performing as a magician?
Wait, are you using Chrome or some other browser? Swiping the address bar just switches tabs on my browser. Then again, the address bar does indeed show me everything... Well, up to a point.
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It just occurred to me you're not talking about Chrome, which was supposed to be the de-facto default browser since around 2012...
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@tsaukpaetra said in Android browser:
Wait, are you using Chrome or some other browser?
Firefox
I like it because, unlike Chrome, it works with extensions on Android.
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@adynathos said in Android browser:
I like it because, unlike Chrome, it works with extensions on Android.
I like the extensions and i use FF on desktop so I'm used to firefox, but is scrolling on FF android still really bad compared to chrome? I tried it again last week and it's just not good on the eyes. also, clicking on small links is nigh-impossible on FF mobile unless you zoom in, something that chrome seems to have solved pretty handily.
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@bb36e Hard to say, I did not use Chrome on Android for a long time.
I have Firefox Nightly, it seems to be doing fine for me.
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@adynathos said in Android browser:
@tsaukpaetra said in Android browser:
Wait, are you using Chrome or some other browser?
Firefox
I like it because, unlike Chrome, it works with extensions on Android.Ah.
Just downloaded myself.
How did you manage to scroll the address bar? When I swiped around on it, nothing happened, and when I tapped it, the whole damn webpage just disappeared and got replaced with the New Tab page! WTF!
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modules:composer.user_said_in, @tsaukpaetra, Android browser
When I swiped around on it, nothing happened, and when I tapped it, the whole damn webpage just disappeared and got replaced with the New Tab page! WTF!
I managed to swipe the address, but you have to touch the address text, not the other icons on the bar.
This will not select the address, just scroll it.If you click on the address, it will select and page will be replaced with new-tab, but you can go back to the page by pressing the back button (which you would do anyway to exit the editing mode).
But in general I agree, touch interface is annoying :)
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@medinoc said in Android browser:
@kt_ said in Android browser:
@medinoc why would you want to see more of the URL? The screen is already too narrow, you wouldnāt be able to see it in its entirety, especially since thereās chrome on the right hand side next to the text box.
So my browser wouldn't lie to me and tell me I'm on the website's home page. A lying text field is worse than no text field at all.
It doesnāt lie to you. It tells you what site your on. The actual address doesnāt matter for the casual user 99% of the time. For the 1% thereās the edit box.
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@kt_ It lies to me because it makes it look exactly like an ordinary address bar. If you change what some field says, you need to have some out-of-band way of signaling it -- such as showing it in a button control instead of an edit box, and possibly centered.
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@medinoc said in Android browser:
@kt_ It lies to me because it makes it look exactly like an ordinary address bar. If you change what some field says, you need to have some out-of-band way of signaling it -- such as showing it in a button control instead of an edit box, and possibly centered.
Ah, ok, didnāt know this is what they did. Now I understand your outrage.
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@bb36e said in Android browser:
@adynathos said in Android browser:
I like it because, unlike Chrome, it works with extensions on Android.
I like the extensions and i use FF on desktop so I'm used to firefox, but is scrolling on FF android still really bad compared to chrome? I tried it again last week and it's just not good on the eyes. also, clicking on small links is nigh-impossible on FF mobile unless you zoom in, something that chrome seems to have solved pretty handily.
I just tried it and it feels like rubbery molasses. Yuck! ššµš²
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@medinoc said in Android browser:
@kt_ It lies to me because it makes it look exactly like an ordinary address bar. If you change what some field says, you need to have some out-of-band way of signaling it -- such as showing it in a button control instead of an edit box, and possibly centered.
So, the problem I'm hearing isn't with the address bar, not really, but with the fact that your manufacturer's version of Android doesn't let you use your own browser in Battery Save mode.
We should totally focus on that, instead of some crap browser that by most accounts shouldn't even exist on your device.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Android browser:
@medinoc said in Android browser:
@kt_ It lies to me because it makes it look exactly like an ordinary address bar. If you change what some field says, you need to have some out-of-band way of signaling it -- such as showing it in a button control instead of an edit box, and possibly centered.
So, the problem I'm hearing isn't with the address bar, not really, but with the fact that your manufacturer's version of Android doesn't let you use your own browser in Battery Save mode.
We should totally focus on that, instead of some crap browser that by most accounts shouldn't even exist on your device.
Samsung?
I think that's a Samsung thing
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@tsaukpaetra said in Android browser:
Try scrolling that text box. Let me know how well that goes.
I don't know why but that's the most infuriating text box in all of Android for selection and scrolling.
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@sloosecannon Yeah, it's the Samsung one. No longer even tries to hide it, now instead of calling itself "Internet" it calls itself "Samsung Internet". And demanded yet even more rights when updated.
At least I got something good out of this new Android version: Play Store no longer insists that I update disabled shovelware applications (by the way, Samsung Internet is a special snowflake app that on top of not being uninstallable, cannot be disabled either -- and no, even with the new Android version you can't switch it out for Chrome for ultra powersave mode).
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@medinoc said in
AndroidSamsung browser:even with the new Android version you can't switch it out for Chrome for ultra powersave mode
And at this point one must beg the question: Which is better: Super Ultra Mega Power Save Mode, or a sane browser?
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@tsaukpaetra said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@medinoc said in
AndroidSamsung browser:even with the new Android version you can't switch it out for Chrome for ultra powersave mode
And at this point one must beg the question: Which is better: Super Ultra Mega Power Save Mode, or a sane browser?
Problem is, I can't find the "normal" powersave mode, and without one having a sane browser won't help.
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@medinoc said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@tsaukpaetra said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@medinoc said in
AndroidSamsung browser:even with the new Android version you can't switch it out for Chrome for ultra powersave mode
And at this point one must beg the question: Which is better: Super Ultra Mega Power Save Mode, or a sane browser?
Problem is, I can't find the "normal" powersave mode, and without one having a sane browser won't help.
Sorry, my Android's power save mode just forces the CPU to lowest multiplier, disables background data, decreases the number of background processes allowed, and turns off all built-in animations. For most well-behaved apps, this is much more than sufficient, and forcing everything to not run at all (except on an unmodifiable white list) wouldn't improve battery life by much more...
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@tsaukpaetra said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
Sorry, my Android's power save mode just forces the CPU to lowest multiplier, disables background data, decreases the number of background processes allowed, and turns off all built-in animations.
It also should disable haptic feedback, which makes a not insignificant difference.
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@heterodox said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@tsaukpaetra said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
Sorry, my Android's power save mode just forces the CPU to lowest multiplier, disables background data, decreases the number of background processes allowed, and turns off all built-in animations.
It also should disable haptic feedback, which makes a not insignificant difference.
Oh yeah, forgot about that, since the only time that happens is when pressing the soft-hardware keys or typing on the keyboard. Seriously, what was the point of it if it's never used?
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Still I gave Chrome a try, and discovered that it has no "stop" button. Samsung's browser has one, and it looks like the update made it slightly less teensy-tiny (or maybe it just made everything else just as small). So, I guess it's not 100% bad? Only 99%.
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@medinoc said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
How could anyone ever think this was a good idea? And of course, there's no setting to bring it back. No, the browser will adamantly refuse to show you more than the server name until you click on the address bar.
May have something to do with 99% of users not giving a damn about URLs.
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@zecc said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
First they came for your http://...
Oh God, remember the bitching and moaning when that happened?
People need to fucking relax.
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@blakeyrat Although a sane browser would still allow one to toggle display of http:// back on. Chrome? Not so much. There they disabled it so hard not even addons can restore it and motivating the move in true Discodev style.
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@atazhaia And really putting the "http://" back isn't enough. It should really display the URL even more unreadably, perhaps by showing the raw hex of the characters.
Remember: under NO circumstances should computers be simple or easy-to-use.
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@medinoc said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
Still I gave Chrome a try, and discovered that it has no "stop" button. Samsung's browser has one, and it looks like the update made it slightly less teensy-tiny (or maybe it just made everything else just as small). So, I guess it's not 100% bad? Only 99%.
It's that x thing that normally looks like a circle arrow pointing to itself.
It might have been moved into the three dots menu if your window is three pixels too small.
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@atazhaia said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@blakeyrat Although a sane browser would still allow one to toggle display of http:// back on. Chrome? Not so much. There they disabled it so hard not even addons can restore it and motivating the move in true Discodev style.
E_NO_REPRO
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@tsaukpaetra said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@atazhaia said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@blakeyrat Although a sane browser would still allow one to toggle display of http:// back on. Chrome? Not so much. There they disabled it so hard not even addons can restore it and motivating the move in true Discodev style.
E_NO_REPRO
Plain
http://
doesn't show up, whilehttps://
does.
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@dreikin said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@tsaukpaetra said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@atazhaia said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@blakeyrat Although a sane browser would still allow one to toggle display of http:// back on. Chrome? Not so much. There they disabled it so hard not even addons can restore it and motivating the move in true Discodev style.
E_NO_REPRO
Plain
http://
doesn't show up, whilehttps://
does.*Falls down in shock* What?!?! Why? That seems arbitrary and capricious...
Especially since it only doesn't show it for HTTP-only connections. HTTP on another port gets the losing, but FTP does not.
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@tsaukpaetra Google has an announced policy of wanting everything to be https. Thus, they distinguish the "safe" https sites by displaying the lock and the protocol. Most users don't pay any attention to details like the presence of absence of an s. Most have no clue what that thing even means (or in fact that it has meaning).
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@tsaukpaetra said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@dreikin said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@tsaukpaetra said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@atazhaia said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@blakeyrat Although a sane browser would still allow one to toggle display of http:// back on. Chrome? Not so much. There they disabled it so hard not even addons can restore it and motivating the move in true Discodev style.
E_NO_REPRO
Plain
http://
doesn't show up, whilehttps://
does.*Falls down in shock* What?!?! Why? That seems arbitrary and capricious...
It's to make the different levels more obvious.
http
doesn't show up,https
is in grey with ļ to its left if it's not "good" but also not bad,
https
is in red with a strike through it and " Not secure" to its left if something is wrong, like a bad certificate, and
https
is in green with " Secure" to its left if it meets whatever the parameters are for being 'good'.
You can mess around with it here:
Official info here:
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I still wonder what's wrong with having it as a toggleable option under the advanced settings. Means the typical user wont find it, but advanced users can get it back.
Oh, well, at least one of my browsers has the option for getting it back.
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@atazhaia said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
I still wonder what's wrong with having it as a toggleable option under the advanced settings. Means the typical user wont find it, but advanced users can get it back.
Oh, well, at least one of my browsers has the option for getting it back.
I mean, what real advantage is there to showing the protocol? Is it some kind of OCD that you must know what protocol you're using (despite the fact that you still do - if there's nothing, it's http, if there's something there, it's whatever protocol is there)
The other advantage of this is that it makes people less likely to tell you to go to "H-T-T-P colon forward slash forward slash..."
Now if we can just get rid of W-W-W, we'll be good
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@tsaukpaetra said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@medinoc said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
Still I gave Chrome a try, and discovered that it has no "stop" button. Samsung's browser has one, and it looks like the update made it slightly less teensy-tiny (or maybe it just made everything else just as small). So, I guess it's not 100% bad? Only 99%.
It's that x thing that normally looks like a circle arrow pointing to itself.
It might have been moved into the three dots menu if your window is three pixels too small.
Oh thanks you're right, it's in the three dots menu. And good news is, it's the button that takes the place of the three dots menu. Bad news is, like most "stop" buttons in all web browsers I know except "unfucked" Firefox, if you tap it one frame too late, you reload the whole page instead of stopping the current loading.
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@sloosecannon said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@atazhaia said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
I still wonder what's wrong with having it as a toggleable option under the advanced settings. Means the typical user wont find it, but advanced users can get it back.
Oh, well, at least one of my browsers has the option for getting it back.
I mean, what real advantage is there to showing the protocol? Is it some kind of OCD that you must know what protocol you're using (despite the fact that you still do - if there's nothing, it's http, if there's something there, it's whatever protocol is there)
The other advantage of this is that it makes people less likely to tell you to go to "H-T-T-P colon forward slash forward slash..."
Now if we can just get rid of W-W-W, we'll be good
Soon it will say ļ Not secure
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@sloosecannon Considering the move to HTTPS, that wont solve the other advantage you said, as people would just say H-T-T-P-S-colon-slash-slash instead. And I'm not proposing it to be added back and displayed by default, I'd just like the option to be there for those who want it. As far as I'm concerned, they could just hide display of HTTPS too and just show secure/not secure, as long as the option to always show protocol is still there.
And yeah, the www subdomain should be dead already. At least most sites who still use it will redirect to it if it's left out, although for the few who don't...
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The browser just brought to my attention that it now supports extensions, including an official-looking port of Adblock Plus.... only you need to download it from Samsung's special snowflake appstore, which requires you to create yet another fucking user account.
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@sloosecannon said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
Now if we can just get rid of W-W-W, we'll be good
Oh, ye of little faith.
My university's housing website: Not housing.sjsu.edu, but www.housing.sjsu.edu. What's more, during the first week of school, it would actually 404 on you if you went to housing.sjsu.edu instead of putting the www in first. After widespread complaints, they made it so that going to housing.sjsu.edu would redirect you to www.housing.sjsu.edu.
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@pie_flavor said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
My university's housing website: Not housing.sjsu.edu, but www.housing.sjsu.edu. What's more, during the first week of school, it would actually 404 on you if you went to housing.sjsu.edu instead of putting the www in first. After widespread complaints, they made it so that going to housing.sjsu.edu would redirect you to www.housing.sjsu.edu.
Very, very common for universities in particular, I've found. My theory is that this is because they were around for the early days of the Internet, in which Internet did not effectively == World Wide Web, so you'd have a subdomain (e.g. cs.university.edu) that just denoted a domain of authority, then the World Wide Web service would be on www.cs.university.edu, FTP would be on ftp.cs.university.edu, Gopher would be on gopher.cs.university.edu, etc.
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@atazhaia said in <strike>Android</strike> Samsung browser:
@blakeyrat Although a sane browser would still allow one to toggle display of http:// back on.
For certain values of āsaneā.