iOS 11 Thread
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Pressing the power button five times consecutively and fast will dial emergency services
Hoozay! Even more people butt-dialing emergency services!
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@luhmann said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Pressing the power button five times consecutively and fast will dial emergency services
Hoozay! Even more people butt-dialing emergency services!
It’s not easy enough to do that accidentally for that to become a problem. ;)
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
It’s not easy enough to do that accidentally
so ... we just have to wait for the next generation to grow into dumber idiots?
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@luhmann said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
It’s not easy enough to do that accidentally
so ... we just have to wait for the next generation to grow into dumber idiots?
Well, that’s what we’re always waiting for, aren’t we?
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@luhmann said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
waiting
is it me or don't they grow as fast as they used to do?
Yeah, I think they’re retarded or something, fucking millennials!
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@luhmann said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
waiting
is it me or don't they grow as fast as they used to do?
Yeah, I think they’re retarded or something, fucking millennials!
we're retarded because we don't grow into idiots fast enough?
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
I think they’re retarded or something, fucking millennials!
That's gonna produce more retarded people
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@anonymous234 said in iOS 11 Thread:
Google solved upgrades a decade ago. You just throw away your phone and buy a new one.
Unless you're lucky enough to have a Flagship Phone™. Then you may be blessed to get one, or maybe two upgrades before throwing away your device for the latest and greatest.
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
scrolling in safari works a bit different: it keeps going after you take the finger off the screen.
It's called momentum, and AFAIK it's been around forever...
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@zecc said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
scrolling in safari works a bit different: it keeps going after you take the finger off the screen. I think this has a name
Inertial scrolling.
I thought inertial scrolling was the "rubber band" effect you get when you try to scroll past the visible area of the screen?
The Patent Steve Jobs Fought Hard to Protect, And His Connection to its Inventor
A look at Apple's '381 patent and Steve Jobs's connection to its inventor, how he fought to protect it and negoiated with Samsung to license it.
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@anonymous234 said in iOS 11 Thread:
I think sending files between two devices on the same network ought to be a solved problem.
Yeah.... not really...
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@luhmann said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Pressing the power button five times consecutively and fast will dial emergency services
Hoozay! Even more people butt-dialing emergency services!
If your butt it rapidly pressing the power button, I'd be commending something else...
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From this thread, I'm getting the feeling that innovation is dead....
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@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@zecc said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
scrolling in safari works a bit different: it keeps going after you take the finger off the screen. I think this has a name
Inertial scrolling.
I thought inertial scrolling was the "rubber band" effect you get when you try to scroll past the visible area of the screen?
The Patent Steve Jobs Fought Hard to Protect, And His Connection to its Inventor
A look at Apple's '381 patent and Steve Jobs's connection to its inventor, how he fought to protect it and negoiated with Samsung to license it.
Nope, these two are different beasts:
Can someone explain Inertial Scrolling to me
Hey guys, does the older macbook pro's have scrolling too no the trackpad? with 2 fingers? Whats the difference here. Thanks
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@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
From this thread, I'm getting the feeling that innovation is dead....
How do you mean?
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
From this thread, I'm getting the feeling that innovation is dead....
How do you mean?
So far, most of the constructive posts seem to indicate "it looks more pretty".
Where's the new stuff? Where's the novelty?
I mean, whoopdeedoo, the screen animates when you unlock the device! Amaze and excite!
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@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
From this thread, I'm getting the feeling that innovation is dead....
How do you mean?
So far, most of the constructive posts seem to indicate "it looks more pretty".
Where's the new stuff? Where's the novelty?
Most of the new stuff went into iPad, there’s now a multitasking mode and a lot of extremely cool new stuff:
iOS 17
Dzięki nowym funkcjom iOS 17 iPhone ułatwia ekspresyjną komunikację, upraszcza udostępnianie i zapewnia nowe szerokoekranowe doświadczenia.
(You might need to change the language.)
The title says it all: a big thing for the iPhone, a huge for the iPad, which is marketingspeak for: we focused on iPad and there are only small enhancements for iPhone.
So for iPhone the most interesting stuff was: revamping the App Store, enhancing contrast of design for better accessibility (which means most of the apps look different: that’s why you see a lot of comments about looks), more options available in the control center, ability to “shrink” a keyboard for better one-hand writing and easier access to symbols (they call them both a QuickType keyboard), the Files apps which integrates all of your cloud storage services, etc. I didn’t really expect much, since I knew most of it would focus on iPad.
Then there are things I can’t test, like AirPlay 2, which enhances control over wireless speakers (and looks really cool), but I don’t own any, so there’s that.
It looks like most of the effort went into the new multitasking mode for the iPad, though, and into interface enhancements needed for the new home button-less iPhone X to work.
TLDR: the fact that you see most of the comments being about looks is because for iPhone that’s mostly what changed, plus the changes were substantial and are there to increase accessibility and iPhone X. The biggest changes other than that went into iPad. Innovation’s still there, it’s just not as visible as usual. ;)
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
multitasking mode
Janky but almost works?
My keyboard definitely doesn't like it, but this isn't exactly a new feature...
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@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
From this thread, I'm getting the feeling that innovation is dead....
How do you mean?
So far, most of the constructive posts seem to indicate "it looks more pretty".
Where's the new stuff? Where's the novelty?
I mean, whoopdeedoo, the screen animates when you unlock the device! Amaze and excite!
Novelty is over in . You'll get it in a few years.
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@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
multitasking mode
Janky but almost works?
My keyboard definitely doesn't like it, but this isn't exactly a new feature...
That’s exactly what Apple does. That’s actually why there’s so much misunderstanding as to how Apple innovates. What Apple does, most of the time, is does the thing well. As you describe multitasking mode, it’s “a bit janky”. That’s the same thing I keep hearing over and over again: fingerprint scanner? Done long before, in android! Sure it was, but has it become the center of authentication for all apps (including banking and such) and payment? My friend has an S7 and it pains me when I see how much care he needs to put into scanning his finger so the phone unlocks. In iPhone it’s a breeze.
That’s the same thing I bet we’ll see regarding face ID. “Nothing new, X had it long before”. Yeah, but this time it should actually work and be integrated so well everybody’ll like using it. (At least it should, it’s hard to predict future.)
What Apple innovates in is UX. Multitouch? They bought it. Touch screens? They were there long time before. Probably the most they innovates was with the iPod, after that they mostly made better what others scrambled to make barely usable.
That’s what you should be looking for when talking about innovation from Apple. And that’s exactly the reason why a lot of people (me included) can easily wait to get the new great feature X for a while longer.
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Probably the most they innovates was with the iPod
Same story there really. There were hard drive based MP3 players already, but the main thing the ipod did differently was a simpler interface
I often don't like the way Apple do things, but there is generally more polish than in what they're iterating on. I'd hesitate to call it innovative though, and I think I'd dislike Apple less if their fans stopped acting like these things were brand new instead of a more slick version of what other people have actually innovated
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
multitasking mode
Janky but almost works?
My keyboard definitely doesn't like it, but this isn't exactly a new feature...
That’s exactly what Apple does. That’s actually why there’s so much misunderstanding as to how Apple innovates. What Apple does, most of the time, is does the thing well. As you describe multitasking mode, it’s “a bit janky”. That’s the same thing I keep hearing over and over again: fingerprint scanner? Done long before, in android! Sure it was, but has it become the center of authentication for all apps (including banking and such) and payment? My friend has an S7 and it pains me when I see how much care he needs to put into scanning his finger so the phone unlocks. In iPhone it’s a breeze.
That’s the same thing I bet we’ll see regarding face ID. “Nothing new, X had it long before”. Yeah, but this time it should actually work and be integrated so well everybody’ll like using it. (At least it should, it’s hard to predict future.)
What Apple innovates in is UX. Multitouch? They bought it. Touch screens? They were there long time before. Probably the most they innovates was with the iPod, after that they mostly made better what others scrambled to make barely usable.
That’s what you should be looking for when talking about innovation from Apple. And that’s exactly the reason why a lot of people (me included) can easily wait to get the new great feature X for a while longer.
I have an S7 and I've never had problems with the fingerprint sensor. I hear that face recognition in the S8 is godlike. Meanwhile, Samsung's app windowing/multitask is extremely good, to the point where there's usable desktop-style homescreen apps for tablets.All that innovation, and still no widgets.
Sad!
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
multitasking mode
Janky but almost works?
My keyboard definitely doesn't like it, but this isn't exactly a new feature...
That’s exactly what Apple does. That’s actually why there’s so much misunderstanding as to how Apple innovates. What Apple does, most of the time, is does the thing well. As you describe multitasking mode, it’s “a bit janky”. That’s the same thing I keep hearing over and over again: fingerprint scanner? Done long before, in android! Sure it was, but has it become the center of authentication for all apps (including banking and such) and payment? My friend has an S7 and it pains me when I see how much care he needs to put into scanning his finger so the phone unlocks. In iPhone it’s a breeze.
That’s the same thing I bet we’ll see regarding face ID. “Nothing new, X had it long before”. Yeah, but this time it should actually work and be integrated so well everybody’ll like using it. (At least it should, it’s hard to predict future.)
What Apple innovates in is UX. Multitouch? They bought it. Touch screens? They were there long time before. Probably the most they innovates was with the iPod, after that they mostly made better what others scrambled to make barely usable.
That’s what you should be looking for when talking about innovation from Apple. And that’s exactly the reason why a lot of people (me included) can easily wait to get the new great feature X for a while longer.
The problem for me is that all your examples of Apple's improvements are literally worthless to me. I don't use face ID or touch ID because the convenience of instant unlock never overcame the inherent security flaws of duplication. Multi-touch? I can count on one hand the number of times this month I've needed to use more than one finger to perform a task. Pretty icons and stuff moved around a bit? Big deal. Air share? Pah! More effective to just post it to Facebook or whatever.
Maybe I'm just from the wrong crowd, but I don't care how pretty the UI is, or that the user experience for a bell and whistle feature is smoother on one OS or the other. Basically, my mobile device has one function: get me on the Internet. Even the phone part is hardly used. Everything else? It's just a toy.
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@jaloopa said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Probably the most they innovates was with the iPod
Same story there really. There were hard drive based MP3 players already, but the main thing the ipod did differently was a simpler interface
That’s not true. The wheel, the smaller hard drive. Did you know that they only went on with the plans for iPod when Toshiba invented a smaller hard drive? Before that there were only clunky usb players that couldn’t hold a lot of songs and were pain to use.
And when it comes to iPod and UI, I think were it best showed how well they were able to innovate the UI were iPod Shuffle and iPod Nano, to products that I bet no one other would go for.
I often don't like the way Apple do things, but there is generally more polish than in what they're iterating on. I'd hesitate to call it innovative though, and I think I'd dislike Apple less if their fans stopped acting like these things were brand new instead of a more slick version of what other people have actually innovated
Well, that’s another problem. I hate the Android v. iOS fans divide, it makes it really hard to actually discuss anything. Recently I started trying to shun the @masonwheeler-grade asshole cracks (iDiots and stuff) and try to focus on actual features/products, try to talk. It worked out in different ways, but I’m overall happy with the results. Though it required a lot of containing myself and posts that were deleted before posting.
It’s often hard for two reasons: people “hate Apple fans” and people don’t understand what’s really good about Apple.
1 is hard, because this hate doesn’t really stem from real discussions, it stems from Apple’s marketing and you know what? Fuck you. Marketing is always supposed to sound this way, this is how you do it. Apple does a lot better on the lifestyle branding front, but that’s it. It’s also hard because quite often Apple users are hit with “haha, Apple marketing said A is innovative, we had it already in an underperforming model of an android-based phone for 2 years, it was clunky there BUT IT’S NOT NEW APPLE FANS ARE LEMMINGS”. Well, don’t be surprised that people decide to vote back with a smiliarly stupid comments.
2 is also bars, because how do you make people realize how great Apple is at UX? I was a hardcore android user and I laughed at Apple and its users the same as people here do: it’s overpriced, it’s not innovative, blah blah. And then I was given an iPhone 4 and I decided to try it and I was hooke after completing the set up procedure. It was so well done, this was an amount of polish and finish I’ve never experienced in any other phone. But I would never have believed anyone if they just told me that, I had to experienced it first hand.
Another problem with 2 is: a lot of people here don’t really value good design. A lot of people in general don’t value great design. They want good price/value ratios. They want just new features. They like fighting with software. How do you convince someone like that that Apple’s approach has its merit?
Finally, there’s one last thing that really pains me it’s hard to explain it to people: Apple’s stuff is more expensive, but that’s also because the product is the product, not you. iCloud is dirt cheap, because Apple earns the most on hardware and music. Apple doesn’t track your emails. Apple isn’t in the advertising business. This counts for something. Don’t tell me it doesn’t.
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@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
multitasking mode
Janky but almost works?
My keyboard definitely doesn't like it, but this isn't exactly a new feature...
That’s exactly what Apple does. That’s actually why there’s so much misunderstanding as to how Apple innovates. What Apple does, most of the time, is does the thing well. As you describe multitasking mode, it’s “a bit janky”. That’s the same thing I keep hearing over and over again: fingerprint scanner? Done long before, in android! Sure it was, but has it become the center of authentication for all apps (including banking and such) and payment? My friend has an S7 and it pains me when I see how much care he needs to put into scanning his finger so the phone unlocks. In iPhone it’s a breeze.
That’s the same thing I bet we’ll see regarding face ID. “Nothing new, X had it long before”. Yeah, but this time it should actually work and be integrated so well everybody’ll like using it. (At least it should, it’s hard to predict future.)
What Apple innovates in is UX. Multitouch? They bought it. Touch screens? They were there long time before. Probably the most they innovates was with the iPod, after that they mostly made better what others scrambled to make barely usable.
That’s what you should be looking for when talking about innovation from Apple. And that’s exactly the reason why a lot of people (me included) can easily wait to get the new great feature X for a while longer.
The problem for me is that all your examples of Apple's improvements are literally worthless to me. I don't use face ID or touch ID because the convenience of instant unlock never overcame the inherent security flaws of duplication.
Do you really think that someone will want to steal from you by going to the great lengths of stealing your biometrics?
Multi-touch? I can count on one hand the number of times this month I've needed to use more than one finger to perform a task.
Pinch to zoom?
Pretty icons and stuff moved around a bit? Big deal.
Well, as you said your the wrong crowd, but increased contrast is a huge hung for people with bad eyesight.
Air share? Pah! More effective to just post it to Facebook or whatever.
But it’s harder, less convenient. And it’s a great benefit if you have more Apple stuff: it integrates beautifully.
But still: wrong crowd, though I bet you can understand why it could matter to other people.
Maybe I'm just from the wrong crowd, but I don't care how pretty the UI is, or that the user experience for a bell and whistle feature is smoother on one OS or the other. Basically, my mobile device has one function: get me on the Internet. Even the phone part is hardly used. Everything else? It's just a toy.
Fair enough. :)
Still, the point isn’t: you (@Tsaukpaetra) should buy an Apple device. It’s: understand why others could and in what respects it can be better than what you use. ;)
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
1 is hard, because this hate doesn’t really stem from real discussions, it stems from Apple’s marketing and you know what? Fuck you. Marketing is always supposed to sound this way, this is how you do it
It may be confirmation bias, but I seem to see more people blindly repeating marketing type stuff as if it's real from Apple people rather than Android. That is, it's not just marketing when it's what you hear from the users as well.
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
2 is also bars, because how do you make people realize how great Apple is at UX? I was a hardcore android user and I laughed at Apple and its users the same as people here do: it’s overpriced, it’s not innovative, blah blah. And then I was given an iPhone 4 and I decided to try it and I was hooke after completing the set up procedure. It was so well done, this was an amount of polish and finish I’ve never experienced in any other phone. But I would never have believed anyone if they just told me that, I had to experienced it first hand.
In my experience, Apple seem to be cruising on a reputation from several years ago that's not really the case any more when you come to it fresh.
I had a mac in the mid Noughties. It came with OS 10.3 and I upgraded to 10.4. Back then, it was relatively easy to switch from Windows. Lots of conventions were different but it was generally fairly easy to work out how to do something. Now, when I use my wife's mac, I can't work out how to switch to a different Chrome window.
iOS has gone down a similar path. I use my wife's phone enough that I can work things out, but it's never long before I find myself wishing for a back button because I don't know if this particular screen wants me to swipe down to come out, tap the top left of the screen, or some other convention I'm not familiar with. The simplicity of early iOS versions is long gone, and coming in cold there's a shitload to learn. Android is probably similar here, but I don't think Apple is particularly far ahead if at all.
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@jaloopa said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
1 is hard, because this hate doesn’t really stem from real discussions, it stems from Apple’s marketing and you know what? Fuck you. Marketing is always supposed to sound this way, this is how you do it
It may be confirmation bias, but I seem to see more people blindly repeating marketing type stuff as if it's real from Apple people rather than Android. That is, it's not just marketing when it's what you hear from the users as well.
Well, this can be true, because Apple has a strong lifestyle brand. Still, I only once in my life did I speak with this type of moron. Of course that’s probably because there are much fewer Apple users here in Poland than e.g. in the UK. That’s why YMV so much, I guess.
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
2 is also bars, because how do you make people realize how great Apple is at UX? I was a hardcore android user and I laughed at Apple and its users the same as people here do: it’s overpriced, it’s not innovative, blah blah. And then I was given an iPhone 4 and I decided to try it and I was hooke after completing the set up procedure. It was so well done, this was an amount of polish and finish I’ve never experienced in any other phone. But I would never have believed anyone if they just told me that, I had to experienced it first hand.
In my experience, Apple seem to be cruising on a reputation from several years ago that's not really the case any more when you come to it fresh.
I had a mac in the mid Noughties. It came with OS 10.3 and I upgraded to 10.4. Back then, it was relatively easy to switch from Windows. Lots of conventions were different but it was generally fairly easy to work out how to do something. Now, when I use my wife's mac, I can't work out how to switch to a different Chrome window.
iOS has gone down a similar path. I use my wife's phone enough that I can work things out, but it's never long before I find myself wishing for a back button because I don't know if this particular screen wants me to swipe down to come out, tap the top left of the screen, or some other convention I'm not familiar with. The simplicity of early iOS versions is long gone, and coming in cold there's a shitload to learn. Android is probably similar here, but I don't think Apple is particularly far ahead if at all.
That’s an interesting thought. I can’t really speak for Mac, I’ve never had one (that’s one of the reasons why I only take part in discussions about iOS), but iOS always seemed quite natural to me. Dunno, hard to say since all of this is anecdotal. The past few years I’ve seen 4 people switching to iOS and I haven’t heard a complaint, but that’s still anecdotal and doesn’t mean it’s intuitive, maybe that it’s easy to figure out.
But what I think we’ve seen the past few years is that Apple is lacking the focus that Jobs used to bring. Come on, 3 new iPhones this year, 3 new last year — they’re trying stuff out and they didn’t used to. I’m still a satisfied user and I do believe that the phone design for 6s through 8s is superb, timeless and compares extremely well to S7 which is the latest Samsung flagship I did have an opportunity to use for a moment. But this just means Jony Ive hasn’t lost his skills. The company focus is not there. :(
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
multitasking mode
Janky but almost works?
My keyboard definitely doesn't like it, but this isn't exactly a new feature...
That’s exactly what Apple does. That’s actually why there’s so much misunderstanding as to how Apple innovates. What Apple does, most of the time, is does the thing well. As you describe multitasking mode, it’s “a bit janky”. That’s the same thing I keep hearing over and over again: fingerprint scanner? Done long before, in android! Sure it was, but has it become the center of authentication for all apps (including banking and such) and payment? My friend has an S7 and it pains me when I see how much care he needs to put into scanning his finger so the phone unlocks. In iPhone it’s a breeze.
That’s the same thing I bet we’ll see regarding face ID. “Nothing new, X had it long before”. Yeah, but this time it should actually work and be integrated so well everybody’ll like using it. (At least it should, it’s hard to predict future.)
What Apple innovates in is UX. Multitouch? They bought it. Touch screens? They were there long time before. Probably the most they innovates was with the iPod, after that they mostly made better what others scrambled to make barely usable.
That’s what you should be looking for when talking about innovation from Apple. And that’s exactly the reason why a lot of people (me included) can easily wait to get the new great feature X for a while longer.
The problem for me is that all your examples of Apple's improvements are literally worthless to me. I don't use face ID or touch ID because the convenience of instant unlock never overcame the inherent security flaws of duplication.
Do you really think that someone will want to steal from you by going to the great lengths of stealing your biometrics?
Taking a picture or lifting prints counts as "great lengths" to you? ;) not only that, either can be obtained fairly easily without consent or knowledge (regardless of legality), but (in theory) it could be much more difficult to coerce a password out.
Multi-touch? I can count on one hand the number of times this month I've needed to use more than one finger to perform a task.
Pinch to zoom?
Why?
Pretty icons and stuff moved around a bit? Big deal.
Well, as you said your the wrong crowd, but increased contrast is a huge hung for people with bad eyesight.
Ah. Lemme review my screen for you, which this screenshot is taken from a 5.5" diagonal:
My hit/miss ratio for taps is approximately 522:546 at this DPI. 😂
Air share? Pah! More effective to just post it to Facebook or whatever.
But it’s harder, less convenient. And it’s a great benefit if you have more Apple stuff: it integrates beautifully.
So a closed ecosystem discouraging the very nature and intent of sharing in the first place...
But still: wrong crowd, though I bet you can understand why it could matter to other people.
Certainly, so long as all involved happen to be in the same clique. Which only heightens the divide.
Maybe I'm just from the wrong crowd, but I don't care how pretty the UI is, or that the user experience for a bell and whistle feature is smoother on one OS or the other. Basically, my mobile device has one function: get me on the Internet. Even the phone part is hardly used. Everything else? It's just a toy.
Fair enough. :)
Still, the point isn’t: you (@Tsaukpaetra) should buy an Apple device. It’s: understand why others could and in what respects it can be better than what you use. ;)
Certainly. I've accepted my lack of artistic appreciation capability, but it doesn't prevent me from comprehending that others have different preferences and opinions. I try hard not to microaggress, but frankly it's nearly impossible while having an opinion of your own.
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
But what I think we’ve seen the past few years is that Apple is lacking the focus that Jobs used to bring.
Yeah, that's definitely true. For all his faults, Jobs knew how to bully designers into making a usable system
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@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
multitasking mode
Janky but almost works?
My keyboard definitely doesn't like it, but this isn't exactly a new feature...
That’s exactly what Apple does. That’s actually why there’s so much misunderstanding as to how Apple innovates. What Apple does, most of the time, is does the thing well. As you describe multitasking mode, it’s “a bit janky”. That’s the same thing I keep hearing over and over again: fingerprint scanner? Done long before, in android! Sure it was, but has it become the center of authentication for all apps (including banking and such) and payment? My friend has an S7 and it pains me when I see how much care he needs to put into scanning his finger so the phone unlocks. In iPhone it’s a breeze.
That’s the same thing I bet we’ll see regarding face ID. “Nothing new, X had it long before”. Yeah, but this time it should actually work and be integrated so well everybody’ll like using it. (At least it should, it’s hard to predict future.)
What Apple innovates in is UX. Multitouch? They bought it. Touch screens? They were there long time before. Probably the most they innovates was with the iPod, after that they mostly made better what others scrambled to make barely usable.
That’s what you should be looking for when talking about innovation from Apple. And that’s exactly the reason why a lot of people (me included) can easily wait to get the new great feature X for a while longer.
The problem for me is that all your examples of Apple's improvements are literally worthless to me. I don't use face ID or touch ID because the convenience of instant unlock never overcame the inherent security flaws of duplication.
Do you really think that someone will want to steal from you by going to the great lengths of stealing your biometrics?
Taking a picture or lifting prints counts as "great lengths" to you? ;) not only that, either can be obtained fairly easily without consent or knowledge (regardless of legality), but (in theory) it could be much more difficult to coerce a password out.
Well, yeah, it does count as “great lengths”. I think it’s too much work for anyone to steal something from me. I don’t own much they could steal and life is not a Jason Bourne movie. ;)
Multi-touch? I can count on one hand the number of times this month I've needed to use more than one finger to perform a task.
Pinch to zoom?
Why?
Well, it’s a handy multi-touch feature. Thought you could use it, eg when surfing the web.
Pretty icons and stuff moved around a bit? Big deal.
Well, as you said your the wrong crowd, but increased contrast is a huge hung for people with bad eyesight.
Ah. Lemme review my screen for you, which this screenshot is taken from a 5.5" diagonal:
My hit/miss ratio for taps is approximately 522:546 at this DPI. 😂
Air share? Pah! More effective to just post it to Facebook or whatever.
But it’s harder, less convenient. And it’s a great benefit if you have more Apple stuff: it integrates beautifully.
So a closed ecosystem discouraging the very nature and intent of sharing in the first place...
No? What I meant was: posting to Facebook/emailing/etc. is less convenient than AirDrop. It encourages sharing, makes it much swifter.
But still: wrong crowd, though I bet you can understand why it could matter to other people.
Certainly, so long as all involved happen to be in the same clique. Which only heightens the divide.
What would you have instead? If the standard was open there would be half-assed implementations. Only thanks to end-to-end control can they be sure of the quality.
Maybe I'm just from the wrong crowd, but I don't care how pretty the UI is, or that the user experience for a bell and whistle feature is smoother on one OS or the other. Basically, my mobile device has one function: get me on the Internet. Even the phone part is hardly used. Everything else? It's just a toy.
Fair enough. :)
Still, the point isn’t: you (@Tsaukpaetra) should buy an Apple device. It’s: understand why others could and in what respects it can be better than what you use. ;)
Certainly. I've accepted my lack of artistic appreciation capability, but it doesn't prevent me from comprehending that others have different preferences and opinions. I try hard not to microaggress, but frankly it's nearly impossible while having an opinion of your own.
Well, I don’t think you’ve ever microagressed me, I actually like talking stuff out with you. My rant was directed at other leople.
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@jaloopa said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
But what I think we’ve seen the past few years is that Apple is lacking the focus that Jobs used to bring.
Yeah, that's definitely true. For all his faults, Jobs knew how to bully designers into making a usable system
QFT. :D
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
What would you have instead? If the standard was open there would be half-assed implementations. Only thanks to end-to-end control can they be sure of the quality.
If the standard was open there might have been a chance at preventing the following situation that happened yesterday: a young lady with an iPhone wanted to print out sheet music on my computer. Internet was being literally retarded (I half considered looking for the building's dial-up modem to reset it) but she did have the file (it was a PDF) on her phone. Because there's literally no sanctioned way to directly transfer non camera files off the device (without going through iTunes, natch), we got to the point where she was literally screen-shot each page on Safari so I could get each picture through PTP connected through USB. Which nobody in their right mind would ever want to do or really think of, but somehow we managed.
Had there been any non-proprietary protocols available (Bluetooth FTP,universal mass storage, IrDA, anything!) the task could have been as simple as "ok, unlock your phone.... Ok, I see it now on my computer. This was a download, right? (navigates file manager to downloads folder) ah, there it is, right there at the top. (clicks file, which happens to open in web browser because of course it would), you wanted how many copies? Twenty? Ok (clicks print). This will just take a few minutes. Thanks!"
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@jaloopa said in iOS 11 Thread:
I can't work out how to switch to a different Chrome window.
⌘+`, or with ⇧ added to rotate the other way through the window stack.
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@dkf I miss the "all windows of this app" Exposé function
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@jaloopa said in iOS 11 Thread:
I miss the "all windows of this app" Exposé function
It's still there so far as I can see, bound by default to F10 (which means that you might need something awful with the function key to get it; it depends on how you configure the system). Mind you, I don't know if you have that key on your keyboard; I've got an older generation MBP which has it.
[does some research]
Fuck. It's been nixed by that stupid reprogrammable touch bar shite, hasn't it?
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@tsaukpaetra well, that is true, you need internet access to transfer files off of the device. It’s strange you didn’t have it.
I believe what you’re talking about is fallback: Internet -> Bluetooth -> file transfer.
Hearing your story, wouldn’t it have been easier to unfuck her internet connection?
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While I haven't had any personal experience with an iPhone past 3G (which was god-awful), what I have noticed is the slew of negative news articles about the latest one.
I have the default Windows 10 news app with default sources, so it might be just Microsoft shenanigans (although Microsoft is their own worst enemy when it comes to phones), but all these are visible today:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techandscience/we-may-have-hit-peak-apple/ar-AAsp61J
iOS 11 update blocks Microsoft accounts from sending emails
Apple's iOS 11 update is blocking Microsoft email accounts from sending messages using the default Mail app for iPhone and iPad.
I don't remember seeing a positive story this month.
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@coldandtired well, it’s some people on Reddit complaining apps slowed for them, so dunno, they didn’t for me. I know one other person who upgraded and he doesn’t have issues, either.
Then there’s a guy complaining that iPhone design hasn’t change all that much since 6, but it’s actually well understood why it didn’t: it’s a great design, there were few things to perfect still (like the antenna, that got fixed in 7) and now there’s X, so his point is all moot. There’s no need to change design just for the sake of change. Like Gruber once put it:
There is a large contingent of pundits who apparently would be more excited about a new iPhone that looked entirely different but had the exact same components as the iPhone 6S than they are by the actual iPhones 7, which are shaped like the 6S but have amazing new components. I don’t get that mindset at all. It’s like being a car pundit and judging the new Porsche 911 with a “meh” because it looks like the previous 911, and never even considering what it’s like to actually drive the new car.
Then there’s the news that 8s don’t sell as well as 7s because there’s X just around the corner.
So the only thing that sounds bad is the possibility of speed problems and battery life. If it is indeed there, well that’s bad.
Oh, and the fuckup with Microsoft’s mail services. Which is a fuckup.
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
it’s some people on Reddit complaining apps slowed for them, so dunno, they didn’t for me.
Every new version of iOS comes with complaints that it slows down older phones
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Then there’s a guy complaining that iPhone design hasn’t change all that much since 6, but it’s actually well understood why it didn’t: it’s a great design
Too damn slippery. Very easy to drop, and too thin
But a lot more comfortable to hold than the 4 and 5. Those were nasty
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@kt_ I didn't read any of them. My point was that the perception seems to be very different this year.
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@coldandtired said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ I didn't read any of them. My point was that the perception seems to be very different this year.
Ah, right. I don’t really read news sites, so can’t confirm or deny.
There is one thing that is being repeated a lot: too many models. I second that. Apple has now like 8 phones on sale. That’s a lot, too many.
As @Jaloopa said, Jobs knew how to bully designers into creating good design. He also had laser-sharp focus. Apple’s been spreading itself too thin lately. Hope they manage to get this under control…
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@jaloopa said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
it’s some people on Reddit complaining apps slowed for them, so dunno, they didn’t for me.
Every new version of iOS comes with complaints that it slows down older phones
This seems to be different, since some people are complaining about 7s. But I have a 6 and it’s working great. I’m not sure about battery life, though. I noticed drainage, but then I’m using it a bit more the past 2 weeks.
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Then there’s a guy complaining that iPhone design hasn’t change all that much since 6, but it’s actually well understood why it didn’t: it’s a great design
Too damn slippery. Very easy to drop, and too thin
But a lot more comfortable to hold than the 4 and 5. Those were nasty
To each his own, I guess. I love it. It’s extremely elegant.
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
@jaloopa said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
it’s some people on Reddit complaining apps slowed for them, so dunno, they didn’t for me.
Every new version of iOS comes with complaints that it slows down older phones
This seems to be different, since some people are complaining about 7s. But I have a 6 and it’s working great. I’m not sure about battery life, though. I noticed drainage, but then I’m using it a bit more the past 2 weeks.
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Then there’s a guy complaining that iPhone design hasn’t change all that much since 6, but it’s actually well understood why it didn’t: it’s a great design
Too damn slippery. Very easy to drop, and too thin
But a lot more comfortable to hold than the 4 and 5. Those were nasty
To each his own, I guess. I love it. It’s extremely elegant.
But that’s the problem with aesthetics. I can show you this and you might think it’s hideous. And that’s that.
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@kt_ Is that a calculator with a separate button for on and off, and no solar panel?
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@kt_ Why is
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
I can show you this and you might think it’s hideous.
It's hideous, the top corners need to be more rounded
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@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Ok, if Bluetooth/WiFi could still be successfully turned off from the settings menu, this would be a minor wtf. But I have to remember every day to turn it back off?
As I read it, they reactivate at 5 AM local time if you toggle them off in the Control Center -- the meaningless soft switches that just hide nearby devices or networks, but doesn't actually turn Bluetooth or WiFi off. If you toggle them off in Settings (which is actually the only way to really turn them off), then it sounds like they should stay turned off.
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@anotherusername said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
Ok, if Bluetooth/WiFi could still be successfully turned off from the settings menu, this would be a minor wtf. But I have to remember every day to turn it back off?
As I read it, they reactivate at 5 AM local time if you toggle them off in the Control Center -- the meaningless soft switches that just hide nearby devices or networks, but doesn't actually turn Bluetooth or WiFi off. If you toggle them off in Settings (which is actually the only way to really turn them off), then it sounds like they should stay turned off.
That would make much more sense.
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@tsaukpaetra said in iOS 11 Thread:
@zecc said in iOS 11 Thread:
@kt_ said in iOS 11 Thread:
scrolling in safari works a bit different: it keeps going after you take the finger off the screen. I think this has a name
Inertial scrolling.
I thought inertial scrolling was the "rubber band" effect you get when you try to scroll past the visible area of the screen?
No, that's "rubber band".
