Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?
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Yes:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/UtechSmart-Venus-Programmable-programmable-Manufacturers/dp/B00UL2JS1Y/
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It's high performance!
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@raceprouk said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Yes
Two buttons, like Disney intended:
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@anotherusername said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@raceprouk said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Yes
Two buttons, like Disney intended:
Great, now we're going to get sued for copyright infringement. Good work, asshole.
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@raceprouk said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Yes:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/UtechSmart-Venus-Programmable-programmable-Manufacturers/dp/B00UL2JS1Y/I dunno. As long as it's comfortable, and they've engineered it to avoid misclicks, having extra buttons is nice. I got absolutely used to having a "back" button on the mouse by the thumb ever since my first Microsoft mouse had it back in '99.
I could totally see getting used to a couple more buttons for everyday shittery.
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@raceprouk It's a bit much, isn't it? I have a similar mouse but rarely use it. The side buttons are right where I want to hold onto it with my thumb (by design) but I never felt comfortable gripping it without accidentally pushing buttons even though they need a pretty firm push. Thankfully my MX518 is still trucking along.
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@lorne-kates said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
I got absolutely used to having a "back" button on the mouse by the thumb ever since my first Microsoft mouse had it back in '99.
nothing pisses me off more than when i accidentally hit the back button on my mouse.
I have never used either the back or forward button intentionally, ever.
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@parody said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Thankfully my MX518 is still trucking along.
mine too. going on 8+ years now i think.
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The correct number for me, at any rate, is nine. The three standard plus back, forward, play\pause, next track, previous track, and reopen last closed tab.
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@darkmatter said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@lorne-kates said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
I got absolutely used to having a "back" button on the mouse by the thumb ever since my first Microsoft mouse had it back in '99.
nothing pisses me off more than when i accidentally hit the back button on my mouse.
I have never used either the back or forward button intentionally, ever.
Really? I use the back button all the time. It works in a lot more applications than I expected it to (for instance, IntelliJ or Windows Explorer). Forwards button is pretty useless though.
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@pie_flavor I have never intentionally used the back button on mouse. But I hit it accidentally so often that I started a project of a program that detects if you clicked 4th mouse button in a web browser window and intercepts it. I didn't finish it before moving abroad and leaving behind all 4-button mice I had, but now I know more about DLLs and global hooks than I'm comfortable with.
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@gąska said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
now I know more about DLLs and global hooks than I'm comfortable with.
It's pretty fun, isn't it? :D
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@tsaukpaetra I'm still not quite sure who should run destructors on objects in shared data segments.
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@gąska said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@tsaukpaetra I'm still not quite sure who should run destructors on objects in shared data segments.
I think the answer to that was... um... the object being destroyed should check if it's the last one holding it and then calling the destruction on that if it is? Don't quote it's literally been forever since I've had to do it myself...
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@raceprouk said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/UtechSmart-Venus-Programmable-programmable-Manufacturers/dp/B00UL2JS1Y/
That looks more like an old-fashioned phone than a mouse …
@pie_flavor said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
I have never used either the back or forward button intentionally, ever.
Really? I use the back button all the time. It works in a lot more applications than I expected it to (for instance, IntelliJ or Windows Explorer). Forwards button is pretty useless though.
Swipe left or right with two fingers on the mouse. Really annoying this doesn’t work on
allmost of them, though.
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For general use, I find it silly.... But I have also worked in environments where specific dedicated applications were designed to make use of the features of such a mouse [not this specific model]. What it enabled a person to do one handed (keeping the other hand free for other activities such as positioning material) was actually awesome.
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@raceprouk said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Yes:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/UtechSmart-Venus-Programmable-programmable-Manufacturers/dp/B00UL2JS1Y/I had some mice with tons of buttons and it always went like this:
- get excited about tons of programmable buttons, play with them for a few days
- get frustrated by accidentaly clicking wrong ones, so star avoiding them
- forget that the buttons are even there and go back to using 4 standard ones
For me bigger problem than the buttons is the size and shape of the mouse. I have big hands and getting a fitting mouse nowadays (when 90% of them are 'super convenient microscopic laptop mice') is a chore. Right now I use MX Master for work and R.A.T. 7 for home, both good choices if you ask me*.
@gąska said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@pie_flavor I have never intentionally used the back button on mouse. But I hit it accidentally so often that I started a project of a program that detects if you clicked 4th mouse button in a web browser window and intercepts it. I didn't finish it before moving abroad and leaving behind all 4-button mice I had, but now I know more about DLLs and global hooks than I'm comfortable with.
Would Autohotkey intercept it? I use it to get rid of 'start a video call' in Skype. But it'a keyboard shortcut, dunno if it would work with mouse clicks.
*there's a lot of report about breaking free scroll wheel on MX Master, but it works for me thus far
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@mrl I use a rat as well, pairing with a logitech G13 for gaming (mostly world of warcraft).
I bind the 4th and 5th button to jump and crouch respectively. The 6th ('high precision') button on the rat gets rebound via the driver to ctrl, which is voice chat.
One of the things which frequently annoys me here (also on the G13) is that you're always dealing with drivers, rebinding keys which are on your mouse to keys which actually exist on your keyboard, just to bind things again in games. I'd much rather the device just publish a series of buttons which I can bind as desired in game, or in a third-party rebinding app.
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@mrl said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
But it'a keyboard shortcut, dunno if it would work with mouse clicks.
It gets processed as a mouse click of
XBUTTON2
, which (if nothing handles it) gets transformed into a keyboard press ofVK_BROWSER_BACK
, so you might be able to intercept it post-transformation.
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I have a Naga Hex. Six buttons on the side, with a bit in the middle where you rest your thumb.
I have only four of the buttons assigned. Back, forward, refresh, and Konami code.
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@thecpuwizard said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
What it enabled a person to do one handed (keeping the other hand free for other activities such as
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@mrl said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Would Autohotkey intercept it?
You're missing the point. The goal was to make global hooks, inject local hooks to processes, deal with shared data segment and make WPF frontend, none of which I've ever done before - not just solve the problem.
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I think this takes the cake for mouse buttons.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/70308014/kings-assembly-a-computer-mouse-full-of-awesome
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@thecpuwizard said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
positioning material
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@gąska said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
- not just solve the problem.
Ah. Been there, done that. Loads of fun and totaly woth it knowledge wise.
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@raceprouk said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Yes:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/UtechSmart-Venus-Programmable-programmable-Manufacturers/dp/B00UL2JS1Y/No:
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@tsaukpaetra said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@gąska said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
now I know more about DLLs and global hooks than I'm comfortable with.
It's pretty fun, isn't it? :D
You have a weird meaning for
fun
.
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I have a confession to make. I don't actually care very much about how many buttons a mouse has, so long as it's still usable. Really, I just wanted to make a joke about Mickey Mouse having those two buttons on his trousers...
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@raceprouk No.
Next question?
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@jazzyjosh said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@raceprouk No.
Next question?
If I hot glue a mouse to a keyboard is it a mouse with a ton of buttons or a keyboard with a laser?
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Mice like that are for people who play WoW or do everything on their PC through macros. A few extra buttons can be nice for some games, but with the rise of Console First Game Development, most games have at most the number of buttons on an Xbox controller, in which case most extra keys aren't helpful.
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@ben_lubar Yes
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@magus said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Mice like that are for people who play WoW or do everything on their PC through macros.
Also fairly common with industrial robotics...
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@magus said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Mice like that are for people who play WoW or do everything on their PC through macros. A few extra buttons can be nice for some games, but with the rise of Console First Game Development, most games have at most the number of buttons on an Xbox controller, in which case most extra keys aren't helpful.
The picture of my mouse config above is for general (non-gaming) use. From fingerside to palmside and top to bottom (physically, not as pictured or numbered above) it's:
Page ForwardNext TabPrevious TabPage Backward
Select AllCutCopyPaste
Next WindowWindow SelectorNum-Lock*Enter
*: To deal with a temporary keyboard issue a while back, not yet reassigned. And yes, I'll take suggestions for what it should be.
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@lorne-kates said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
I could totally see getting used to a couple more buttons for everyday shittery.
I can recommend X-Mouse Button Control for doing per-application button mapping.
It's nice to map eg. the back button to toggle close dev tools on browsers; navigate to symbol on IDEs; etc.
I have it mapped to initiate a left-drag by default, so I don't have to hold down the left button while dragging stuff around.
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@pie_flavor said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
I use the back button all the time. It works in a lot more applications than I expected it to (for instance, IntelliJ or Windows Explorer). Forwards button is pretty useless though.
Forwards is useful to undo pressing Back. :) Like I'm doing something in IntelliJ, hit back to check the other area and press forward to go back to where I was.
I'm using an original Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer here. It's massive and has been going strong for almost 17 years. It has the Forwards/Back thumb buttons but also a nice place to rest your thumb and pick up the mouse with ease. I remember some mouses that came after were not as big or comfortable.
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@zemm said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@pie_flavor said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
I use the back button all the time. It works in a lot more applications than I expected it to (for instance, IntelliJ or Windows Explorer). Forwards button is pretty useless though.
Forwards is useful to undo pressing Back. :) Like I'm doing something in IntelliJ, hit back to check the other area and press forward to go back to where I was.
I'm using an original Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer here. It's massive and has been going strong for almost 17 years. It has the Forwards/Back thumb buttons but also a nice place to rest your thumb and pick up the mouse with ease. I remember some mouses that came after were not as big or comfortable.
Logitech M570 here. Doesn't need a picking-up handle.
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@pie_flavor said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Logitech M570 here. Doesn't need a picking-up handle.
This might be of interest to you.
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@douglasac said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@pie_flavor said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Logitech M570 here. Doesn't need a picking-up handle.
This might be of interest to you.
$99
I'm not shelling out a hundred dollars for a mouse that does like two more things than the one I already have, neither of which I care about.
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@zemm said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer here
Most comfortable mouse ever. My MX518 is pretty good but still not quite as nice.
I honestly have no idea what to get next, my MX518 is getting dodgy buttons.
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@dreikin said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Page ForwardNext TabPrevious TabPage Backward
Select AllCutCopyPaste
Next WindowWindow SelectorNum-Lock*EnterWhat the holy-fucked kind of CSS is in charge of the borders?
On Firefox, only the first row overlaps, but the second row doesn't, even though presumably it's the same css for each row
https://i.imgur.com/o7TNzJd.png
On Chrome, each row overlaps (which it shouldn't, because overlapping is fuckfuck)
https://i.imgur.com/lDnNpMv.png
And people wonder why I rag on NodeBB's css so much.
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@lorne-kates Now try adjusting your browser's zoom level to 100% and see how it looks then.
It's overlapping by like half a pixel, which results in a whole pixel difference on every other line. And it's only at some zoom levels where the line height isn't an even multiple of pixels tall.
edit: based on testing with
getBoundingClientRect()
, the line height is something like 21.6 pixels at 100% zoom.
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@anotherusername said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@lorne-kates Now try adjusting your browser's zoom level to 100% and see how it looks then.
It's overlapping by like half a pixel, which results in a whole pixel difference on every other line. And it's only at some zoom levels where the line height isn't an even multiple of pixels tall.
edit: based on testing with getBoundingClientRect(), the line height is something like 21.6 pixels at 100% zoom.@lorne-kates said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
And people wonder why I rag on NodeBB's css so much.
(and my browser zoom was 100%)
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@raceprouk said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
Yes:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/UtechSmart-Venus-Programmable-programmable-Manufacturers/dp/B00UL2JS1Y/Nope:
The far right slot on the mouse is also a button, it lets you switch the functions of the 12 buttons on the left. I use it to access the secondary hotbar.
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@lorne-kates said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@anotherusername said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
@lorne-kates Now try adjusting your browser's zoom level to 100% and see how it looks then.
It's overlapping by like half a pixel, which results in a whole pixel difference on every other line. And it's only at some zoom levels where the line height isn't an even multiple of pixels tall.
edit: based on testing with getBoundingClientRect(), the line height is something like 21.6 pixels at 100% zoom.@lorne-kates said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
And people wonder why I rag on NodeBB's css so much.
Just for shits, I added
<span>Test</span>
to the plain, emptyabout:blank
page, and checked its size.DOMRect { x: 8, y: 8.5, width: 26.433334350585938, height: 19, top: 8.5, right: 34.43333435058594, bottom: 27.5, left: 8 }
It has no CSS affecting it whatsoever, and it isn't even positioned at an integer
top
by default!As higher DPI screens become more common, design is shifting more toward non-pixel-based measurements. The natural result of this is that pixel-based displays won't be able to display them "perfectly", and it can cause plus-or-minus-1-pixel variations like that.
(and my browser zoom was 100%)
Your Firefox screenshot was significantly bigger than your Chrome screenshot, so either one of them had its zoom set to something other than 100%, or one of them's adjusting what 100% looks like because of your system's DPI setting and the other one isn't.
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@anotherusername said in Can you have too many buttons on a mouse?:
ther than 100%
Hmm, I just hit CTRL+0 to check. Maybe? Not sure. Here's a screenshot after confirming it's on 100%: