Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever
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@Maciejasjmj said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
They don't understand what they're doing. And they don't have any reason to understand it, because in most cases they get what they want.
It's not the 1990s, and you no longer need to know what an IRQ is or what an EMM is for to write a letter on a PC. How is opening the computers up to people who wouldn't be able to understand how they work a bad thing? So what if Grandpa has no idea what a URL is if we can use the technology to make it so that he doesn't have to know?
Come on, you're taking it to the opposite extreme now. And I said "URL" to be clear but I don't mind if they just say "address".
The "bad" thing IMHO, is the increasing divide between pro and noobs. These features let noobs do some stuff, but they make them stay like that. Which means they will need hand-holding all the time. Constantly need help to figure out where they put their stuff, opening viruses in emails, victims of fishing, etc.
Now, antivirus/antimalware are good for them. It's an example of something that helps them all the time in something they will never be able to handle themselves.
On the other hand, when they make stuff that helps them to access a recent document, it doesn't make them realise the underlying lack of awareness of the file location and it won't help them when the file is 2 weeks old. They're only going to get dumber.I'm a strong supporter of simplification. Knowing where you save a file and that a website has an address, it's not /that/ hard.
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@ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Given how the clipboard loses its contents when you close, say, an image editor
No! Keep the damn contents!
Also, fuck you very much Office; it'd be nice to know if the contents of the clipboard is, say, several megabytes, perhaps, but I have gigs of memory; I think I can handle having a few hundred kilobytes worth of information left on the clipboard after you close. I don't need to be told that it's a "large amount of data" and asked whether I want the clipboard emptied.
I agree with you about the rest of the post, though. I wouldn't expect the clipboard's contents to be transferred until it's actually needed on the other computer. If the computer's shut down, its clipboard is gone.
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@ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Uh, no?
I can't find the article, but basically, programs can put a note into the clipboard saying "if you want the contents of the clipboard, ask me". When that program exits, there's nobody to ask, so the clipboard is useless. This most frequently happens with older programs that can copy large amounts of data, like image editors.
I think you're talking about
And even then there's nothing that says it's required for the program to be active at the time of paste (rather, the receiving program will end up invoking it anyways, which if it's not open...).
Good luck running a program remotely on a shut-down computer.
not many programs take advantage of OLE tbh, I would expect the destination program to respond just like it didn't have that segment in the data stream.
Alternatively, Microsoft could bring back
Which would be much more useful in this scenario.
Weren't those discontinued because it was trivial to make one that acted like a virus?
That, and because their primary use case was "What is this strange file that just randomly appeared on my desktop? I don't know what it is. I don't know how it got there. I don't want it. Can you make it go away?"
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@boomzilla said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Proficient users probably won't use it anyway. Like, I never used the "recent files" feature in Windows (does it even still exist?) because I know where my stuff is.
I don't Windows but I use "recent documents" sorts of stuff all the time. I save sessions in various programs. I use bash history searching. This stuff is immensely convenient. It sounds to me like you either don't use the same things repeatedly or you like making your life difficult.
I guess I don't work much with documents and they're just a couple of clicks away. Recent documents are also already accessible from within Word/Excel.
When I'm developing, the project files are listed in the IDE.
On the console, yes I'm definitely using history all the time.Anyway, I'm cool if other people like Recent Files.
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@izzion said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Why would simultaneity be a requirement?
Oh, hey, I'm faffing about on WTDWTF today, and there's this link that looks really relevant to ${WORKPROBLEM} I've been having. Let's just copy that link address for Monday...
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Profit!@LB_ said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Good luck remembering to never overwrite your clipboard until then. Why not just send yourself an email?
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@anotherusername said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@izzion said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Why would simultaneity be a requirement?
Oh, hey, I'm faffing about on WTDWTF today, and there's this link that looks really relevant to ${WORKPROBLEM} I've been having. Let's just copy that link address for Monday...
???
Profit!@LB_ said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Good luck remembering to never overwrite your clipboard until then. Why not just send yourself an email?
Oh yeah, I forgot about extensions!
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@anotherusername said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Given how the clipboard loses its contents when you close, say, an image editor
No! Keep the damn contents!
I’ve always liked this one:
Illustrator can quit faster if it waits for me to click a button … ? On a system that has
gigs of memory
Sure, okay, if you say so, Adobe. (Oh, and what if I choose “Don’t show again”? Will it then always clear the clipboard, never clear it, or do what I chose the time I said I didn’t want to see the dialog again? Anybody’s guess, I’d say. Not to mention there’s a distinct lack of a Don’t Quit After All button in this dialog.)
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@Gurth said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Oh, and what if I choose “Don’t show again”? Will it then always clear the clipboard, never clear it, or do what I chose the time I said I didn’t want to see the dialog again?
I've always hated this kind of UI design for this reason. Why not at least call the option "Always use this choice" instead of 'Don't let me choose anymore'?
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@LB_ said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
I've always hated this kind of UI design for this reason. Why not at least call the option "Always use this choice" instead of 'Don't let me choose anymore'?
Likely because they're reusing a generic dialog that also shows for warning messages that only have an OK button and the checkbox. Not lazy enough to just use the system's message box, but plenty lazy enough to let the users figure out if whatever they pick is set in stone forever. (Or until the next time it corrupts its preferences file, something that's been happening to me with InDesign for a while now.)
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@Parody said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Not lazy enough to just use the system's message box
If there’s one improvement Adobe could make, it would be to use the system-provided things like, oh, dialogs, buttons, windows, and other controls. Instead, they implement everything themselves and little works exactly like it does on the rest of the OS.
Or until the next time it corrupts its preferences file, something that's been happening to me with InDesign for a while now.
That’s about the only problem I don’t have with InDesign … Buggy piece of bloatware shit. But is there an alternative? One that can open my InDesign documents and have them exactly as I made them in InDesign? Keep dreaming.
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@ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Given how the clipboard loses its contents when you close, say, an image editor,
kind of OS/software are you using?
I just did this:
Copy some text to clipboard
Run Adobe Photoshop
Paste text from clipboard into Photoshop
Exit Photoshop
Run Microsoft Word
Paste same text from clipboard into Word
Exit Word
Run Photoshop
Paste same text from clipboard into Photoshop
Load an image into Photoshop
Copy image to clipboard
Exit Photoshop
Run Microsoft Word
Paste same image into Word
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Any feature you don't like can be disabled in windows 10.
Just sayin...
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It's @Nagesh! Hi!
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As far as I know, the Timeline is something that has to be implemented by a particular app to show anything. I mean, maybe it'll have a default of 'you ran the facebook app' or something, but the important thing is, unless you're using an app that uses the feature (which you also probably can turn off) you won't get anything interesting out of timeline.
Until they implement VS in the store and use this, it won't really add anything useful for me - but I actually do swap devices quite a bit, so it could potentially be useful in the future.
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@Nagesh said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Any feature you don't like can be disabled in windows 10.
On second thought...
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@Zecc said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
On second thought...
I'd flip that red switch and then turn the computer back on again, just to be sure all features will stay disabled.
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@Atazhaia
The Magic Smoke method of feature selection
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@izzion That would work in Europe too, but without the smoke (our mains supply is 230VAC)
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@RaceProUK said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@izzion That would work in Europe too, but without the smoke (our mains supply is 230VAC)
wouldn't it go pop on 115 then?
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@izzion said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Atazhaia
The Magic Smoke method of feature selectionNorepro, I have nosmoke.com in my config.sys.
Reference: http://www.lachances.com/Humor/NoSmoke.html
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@sloosecannon said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@RaceProUK said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@izzion That would work in Europe too, but without the smoke (our mains supply is 230VAC)
wouldn't it go pop on 115 then?
It makes a rather nice bang noise. But no smoke.
Source: been there, done this by accident when moving a PC between places and accidentally switched it to 110VAC mode.
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@Gurth said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
This is still better than going to google.com by typing in the address, typing the address of another site into the text box, clicking the Search button, and then clicking on the first search result.
You are over-estimating most people abilities. What I see is people typing "google" into the search bar of their browsers, then clicking on the first result to get to the Google home page, then type the name of the site they want etc. I wish I was making that up, but I've really seen people do it.
The more computer-savvy ones know that from the first results page they can directly type in their query (instead of clicking the first link to get to Google home page), but that's all.
And it’s not like I’ve only ever seen one person do this.
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@remi said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
What I see is people typing "google" into the search bar of their browsers, then clicking on the first result to get to the Google home page
Wow... people do literally google Google...
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@remi said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Gurth said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
This is still better than going to google.com by typing in the address, typing the address of another site into the text box, clicking the Search button, and then clicking on the first search result.
You are over-estimating most people abilities.
I was just reporting my first-hand observations. Yours seem to be even worse, though.
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@remi said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Gurth said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
This is still better than going to google.com by typing in the address, typing the address of another site into the text box, clicking the Search button, and then clicking on the first search result.
You are over-estimating most people abilities. What I see is people typing "google" into the search bar of their browsers, then clicking on the first result to get to the Google home page, then type the name of the site they want etc. I wish I was making that up, but I've really seen people do it.
The more computer-savvy ones know that from the first results page they can directly type in their query (instead of clicking the first link to get to Google home page), but that's all.
And it’s not like I’ve only ever seen one person do this.
Yeah. People watching is fun!
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@Tsaukpaetra It is fun when you're just watching them doing something you don't care about. It is very frustrating when you are trying to guide them to achieve something (and for whatever reason you don't want to grab the mouse yourself).
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@remi said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra It is fun when you're just watching them doing something you don't care about. It is very frustrating when you are trying to guide them to achieve something (and for whatever reason you don't want to grab the mouse yourself).
I managed to get a grandma to self-install TV, Phone, and Internet on her on, over the phone.
Sometimes I have nigh-infinite patience! :D
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@Tsaukpaetra I am impressed. Just last week, my mother called in a panic about the ransomware and that everyone said she needed to update but how do I do that how do I do that my files my precious files...? I guided her to simply launch the Windows update stuff and check that all available updates were installed, but what took the longest was to actually get to the Windows Update window: not being in front of a computer myself, I told her to open the Windows menu and type "update" to get a list of choices (I was pretty sure the updates were in there, this is how I access them myself!).
What I didn't anticipate is that the idea of typing something without having a text field to type it in was a complete blocker. She simply didn't understand when I told her to type "update" even though there was no text field. I had to explicitly and tell her to push keys on the keyboard one by one!
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@remi said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
She simply didn't understand when I told her to type "update" even though there was no text field. I had to explicitly and tell her to push keys on the keyboard one by one!
Yeah, that's one thing I definitely don't like about the Metro start Menu.
Bonus WTF, if you click Cortana first (which, visually does the same thing), it won't actually search your files and Apps!
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@ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
I'm not sure how cloud clipboard would help me,
I see your mistake: you assume it is meant to help you. But it's actually only meant to help Microsoft, Microsoft's business partners, advertisers, marketers, NSA/FBI/DEA/etc, your local police, your boss (uses timeline to find out how well the slaves are working), and so on. It could go on to help Chinese and Russian hackers as well.
With all that helping, if it actually managed to help you too...huzzah!
@Maciejasjmj said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
It's not the 1990s, and you no longer need to know what an IRQ is or what an EMM is for to write a letter on a PC. How is opening the computers up to people who wouldn't be able to understand how they work a bad thing? So what if Grandpa has no idea what a URL is if we can use the technology to make it so that he doesn't have to know?
I can understand the motivation to make Windows accessible to people with an IQ of 40. My IQ is a tiny bit higher than that and I really resent being condescended to; the attitude that, "You don't know what you want because your IQ is 40, so let me fix your incompetence..." and, "Powerful tools are dangerous to people like you with an IQ of 40..."
Latest example is Visio. People with an IQ of 40 wouldn't understand object styles so they deleted the facility. So if I want my connectors to have fillet corners, I must set that individually on each one...and if I should subsequently use a built-in style it will 'correct' my 'inappropriate' choices.
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@CoyneTheDup said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
I can understand the motivation to make Windows accessible to people with an IQ of 40. My IQ is a tiny bit higher than that and I really resent being condescended to; the attitude that, "You don't know what you want because your IQ is 40, so let me fix your incompetence..." and, "Powerful tools are dangerous to people like you with an IQ of 40..."
I have no issue with software catering to the lowest common denominator, but sometimes, I wish there was a Big Red Button™ labelled "Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing!" that turns all that condescending shit off.
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@CoyneTheDup said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
My IQ is a tiny bit higher than that and I really resent being condescended to
Your empathy is really high too, it seems.
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@RaceProUK said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@CoyneTheDup said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
I can understand the motivation to make Windows accessible to people with an IQ of 40. My IQ is a tiny bit higher than that and I really resent being condescended to; the attitude that, "You don't know what you want because your IQ is 40, so let me fix your incompetence..." and, "Powerful tools are dangerous to people like you with an IQ of 40..."
I have no issue with software catering to the lowest common denominator, but sometimes, I wish there was a Big Red Button™ labelled "Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing!" that turns all that condescending shit off.
Which, of course, would be the first thing exactly those people with an IQ of 40 would be pushing.
“Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry.”
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Sidenote - it's amazing how many people in Europe are able to learn driving a car with manual transmission but cannot learn how to connect to Wi-Fi.
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@Gąska said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
cannot learn how to connect to Wi-Fi
If they cannot learn to connect to Wifi, it's better for the internet that they stay offline.
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@dkf for many, no Wi-Fi just means 100x more charges for mobile internet.
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@Gąska said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@dkf for many, no Wi-Fi just means 100x more charges for mobile internet.
Someone has to subsidize us!
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@dcon subsidize setting up Wi-Fi? As a tech support, I'm all for it
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@Gąska said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Sidenote - it's amazing how many people in Europe are able to learn driving a car with manual transmission but cannot learn how to connect to Wi-Fi.
Because they actually try to learn the first one.
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@RaceProUK said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@remi said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
What I see is people typing "google" into the search bar of their browsers, then clicking on the first result to get to the Google home page
Wow... people do literally google Google...
I seem to remember a few years ago, people who wanted to login to Facebook were searching for Facebook login . But the first result wasn't Facebook, it was some other site, and there were lots of angry complaints from people, so Google had to adjust things so that the search would return Facebook as the first result.
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@Magus said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@CoyneTheDup said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
My IQ is a tiny bit higher than that and I really resent being condescended to
Your empathy is really high too, it seems.
Did you mean "humility"? I don't think its a failure of humility to suggest my IQ is higher than 40.
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@CoyneTheDup No, that would mean something very different than what I said.
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@Tsaukpaetra Mine is similar. I have the options disabled but the folder isn't empty.
They are pinned folders that appear under Quick Access. They either came pinned by default (Desktop, Downloads, Documents and Pictures) and whatever other folders you've pinned (Google Drive and Bittorrent Sync in your case, my user folder in mine). You've told them to remember them, so it's made the logical assumption that you'd want it to remember them.
If you want it empty, right click and click Unpin from Quick Access for each folder.
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@Douglasac said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
You'veMicrosoft told them to remember them, so it's made the logical assumption that you'd want it to remember them.FTFY. I have a toolbar for shortcuts if I want to remember things.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
FTFY. I have a toolbar for shortcuts if I want to remember things.
Microsoft told your computer to remember Google Drive and Bittorrent Sync?
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@Douglasac said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
FTFY. I have a toolbar for shortcuts if I want to remember things.
Microsoft told your computer to remember Google Drive and Bittorrent Sync?
Fine, have a . But I never did. Why would I? They're in my user profile, why would I need wasted space for it in my navigation tree?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Douglasac said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
FTFY. I have a toolbar for shortcuts if I want to remember things.
Microsoft told your computer to remember Google Drive and Bittorrent Sync?
Fine, have a . But I never did. Why would I? They're in my user profile, why would I need wasted space for it in my navigation tree?
Because Google and Bittorrent clearly think that you want them there, and I imagine that most users do as well.
That said, it would be nice if they asked you if you wanted things vomited all over the place before they did so, but there we go.
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@Douglasac said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Douglasac said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
FTFY. I have a toolbar for shortcuts if I want to remember things.
Microsoft told your computer to remember Google Drive and Bittorrent Sync?
Fine, have a . But I never did. Why would I? They're in my user profile, why would I need wasted space for it in my navigation tree?
Because Google and Bittorrent clearly think that you want them there, and I imagine that most users do as well.
That said, it would be nice if they asked you if you wanted things vomited all over the place before they did so, but there we go.
It would also be nice if the OS didn't spam apps into my computer just for having it connected to the Internet, but moneys...
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@CoyneTheDup said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
I can understand the motivation to make Windows accessible to people with an IQ of 40. My IQ is a tiny bit higher than that and I really resent being condescended to;
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@Douglasac said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
They are pinned folders that appear under Quick Access. They either came pinned by default (Desktop, Downloads, Documents and Pictures) and whatever other folders you've pinned (Google Drive and Bittorrent Sync in your case, my user folder in mine). You've told them to remember them, so it's made the logical assumption that you'd want it to remember them.
If you want it empty, right click and click Unpin from Quick Access for each folder.
Over the last year and a half, I've installed Windows 10 more times than I care to count. All the major releases and a couple of Insider Preview builds, and the Quick Access feature has never worked properly.
My experience has always been exactly the same:
- Unpin the 4 default items from Quick Access
- Pin some things that I want
- Some time goes by
- I run Explorer and the items I pinned are gone and the 4 default items are back.
Every fucking time.